From vss at 73rus.com Fri Jan 2 01:16:08 2009 From: vss at 73rus.com (Vlad Skvortsov) Date: Fri Jan 2 01:16:15 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? Message-ID: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> Hi, I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone share their experiences with this one? Also, the box is a pretty old hardware; pardon my ignorance, what should I check to see if the PCI bus will accomomdate the card? The card description[1] mentions: # PCI 33/66MHz bus supports up to 266MB/sec burst data transfer rate (PCI 66MHz) # PCI 2.3 compliant Thanks! [1]: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=Non-RAID%20HBAs&product_id=168 -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com From dean at fragfest.com.au Fri Jan 2 02:36:28 2009 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Fri Jan 2 02:36:35 2009 Subject: Apple Powerbook G4 and some modem doubts In-Reply-To: <4d3a76db0812230640i6aba7c43s525e17af011a3b8b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d3a76db0812230640i6aba7c43s525e17af011a3b8b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495D6049.5040909@fragfest.com.au> If you want non-macosx on that hardware, linux is most likely your best option. Burn me at the stake as needed. I ran debian linux on various G3 and G4 hardware for about 5 years. Its a shame they abandoned the arch, its the most stable linux ive used. You want a dial up modem?? Dean Israel Miranda wrote: > Hi there guys. I just acquired and used powerbook g4 on ebay, and I've been > planning to install freebsd on my machines for quite sometime. > Does any of you use freebsd on a powerpc machine ? > I'll install it anyway, but I just wonder if there is good support for > freebsd in the ppc platform. I mean, enough programs, I know ppc > architecture is on tyer 2 support, so I am asking if someone has freebsd > installed on a powerpc machine as a primary > operating system and is satisfied with it. Actually I am more worried about > skype because I need it, and maybe some other apps I'll need in the way. > My doubt is to use either freebsd or macos X leopard in my powerbook as > primary OS. At first Macos X leopard seems to have a lot of apps for ppc but > I am a new Macos X user too. Please, no suggestions of installing linux, I > am a long time linux user and I no longer want to use it for my personal > machines. > > My second question is about modem support. > My desktop computer is a Pentium 4 478 socket 2.6ghz HT, on a intel D865 > PERL motherboard and an intel 537EP modem. > Please recommend me any pci modem that is fully supported, because my modem > has no freebsd driver at all. > > Thanks for the help guys. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From rabe at uugrn.org Fri Jan 2 02:46:56 2009 From: rabe at uugrn.org (Raphael Becker) Date: Fri Jan 2 02:47:04 2009 Subject: UDMA vs. VIA 82C686B Message-ID: <20090102021129.GA7331@ma.sigsys.de> Hi all, I have had some problems with a VIA 82C686B UDMA100 controller with an attached 2.5" Harddisk (Samsung-foo, 40GB) running 7.1-RELEASE (GENERIC): UDMA-access is not possible even tough the HDD is able to do (in my Laptop) and the controller claims to support UDMA100. I tried a CF-Card with the same hardware running 6.2 or 6.3-RELEASE with the same effect: some bad g_vfs-errors. I got around this problem by adding (at least one of) the lines to /boot/loader.conf: hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 hw.ata.ata_dma=0 Is this a known issue? Is there a workaround/patch for UDMA on this VIA-chipset? Do you need more details on it? It's kind of difficult to get the exact errors, because hw.ata.* seems to be a read-only ("boot-only") sysctl and I have limited (serial) access to the box. In case of hw.ata.ata_dma=1 I'm not able to unset this value in /boot/loader.conf because I cannot write to the disk because of the udma-errors then. Regards Raphael -- Raphael Becker http://rabe.uugrn.org/ GnuPG: E7B2 1D66 3AF2 EDC7 9828 6D7A 9CDA 3E7B 10CA 9F2D .........|.........|.........|.........|.........|.........|.........|.. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/attachments/20090102/3876d994/attachment.pgp From Lokadamus at gmx.de Fri Jan 2 16:44:11 2009 From: Lokadamus at gmx.de (Lokadamus) Date: Fri Jan 2 16:44:18 2009 Subject: UDMA vs. VIA 82C686B In-Reply-To: <20090102021129.GA7331@ma.sigsys.de> References: <20090102021129.GA7331@ma.sigsys.de> Message-ID: <495E3E27.8020303@gmx.de> Raphael Becker wrote: > Hi all, > > I have had some problems with a VIA 82C686B UDMA100 controller with an > attached 2.5" Harddisk (Samsung-foo, 40GB) running 7.1-RELEASE (GENERIC): > > UDMA-access is not possible even tough the HDD is able to do (in my > Laptop) and the controller claims to support UDMA100. > > I tried a CF-Card with the same hardware running 6.2 or 6.3-RELEASE with > the same effect: some bad g_vfs-errors. > > I got around this problem by adding (at least one of) the lines to > /boot/loader.conf: > > hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 > hw.ata.ata_dma=0 > > > Is this a known issue? > Is there a workaround/patch for UDMA on this VIA-chipset? > > Do you need more details on it? > It's kind of difficult to get the exact errors, because hw.ata.* seems > to be a read-only ("boot-only") sysctl and I have limited (serial) > access to the box. In case of hw.ata.ata_dma=1 I'm not able to unset > this value in /boot/loader.conf because I cannot write to the disk > because of the udma-errors then. > > Regards > Raphael > > Have you look for a bios update for the mainboard? Chipset 82C686B was buggy, known as 686B-Bug. Regards From admin at lissyara.su Fri Jan 2 17:57:26 2009 From: admin at lissyara.su (Alex Keda) Date: Fri Jan 2 17:57:33 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> Message-ID: <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> Vlad Skvortsov ?????: > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to use > for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone share > their experiences with this one? Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... From vss at 73rus.com Fri Jan 2 18:38:23 2009 From: vss at 73rus.com (Vlad Skvortsov) Date: Fri Jan 2 18:38:30 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> Message-ID: <495E5F1B.8090806@73rus.com> Alex Keda wrote: >> >> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to >> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone >> share their experiences with this one? > Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... > I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com From ltning at anduin.net Sat Jan 3 12:09:55 2009 From: ltning at anduin.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?=) Date: Sat Jan 3 12:10:06 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: <495E5F1B.8090806@73rus.com> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> <495E5F1B.8090806@73rus.com> Message-ID: On Jan 2, 2009, at 19:38, Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > Alex Keda wrote: >>> >>> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to >>> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone >>> share their experiences with this one? >> Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... >> > > I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? What he means is use controllers that do RAID in hardware, not software-raid cards like that Promise. /Eirik From dvg at tjc.ru Sat Jan 3 16:07:22 2009 From: dvg at tjc.ru (dvg_lab) Date: Sat Jan 3 16:07:29 2009 Subject: MSI MegaBook PR300 (aka MS1313) usb bluetooth device Message-ID: <21266282.post@talk.nabble.com> I'm on CURRENT built a couple of days ago. I try to use builtin usb device. usbdevs -v shows port 1 addr 2: full speed, self powered, config 1, product 0xa97a(0xa97a), vendor 0x0db0(0x0db0), rev 19.58 I've found that this device 0xa97a described in OpenBSD sys/dev/usb/usbdevs file as product MSI BLUETOOTH_2 0xa970 Bluetooth at line 1940, I've tried to copy this line to the same place in FreeBSD's usbdevs file and recompile the kernel but without success. Is this device in plans to support by FreebSD ? -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/MSI-MegaBook-PR300-%28aka-MS1313%29-usb-bluetooth-device-tp21266282p21266282.html Sent from the freebsd-hardware mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From vss at 73rus.com Sat Jan 3 23:18:19 2009 From: vss at 73rus.com (Vlad Skvortsov) Date: Sat Jan 3 23:18:26 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> <495E5F1B.8090806@73rus.com> Message-ID: <495FF226.6060906@73rus.com> Eirik ?verby wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to >>>> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone >>>> share their experiences with this one? >>> Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... >>> >> >> I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? > > What he means is use controllers that do RAID in hardware, not > software-raid cards like that Promise. I don't need RAID, I just need an eSATA jack. -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com From migieger at bawue.de Sun Jan 4 03:22:24 2009 From: migieger at bawue.de (M. Giegerich) Date: Sun Jan 4 03:22:31 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: <495FF226.6060906@73rus.com> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <495E50E4.9000206@lissyara.su> <495E5F1B.8090806@73rus.com> <495FF226.6060906@73rus.com> Message-ID: <1231037538.1547.10.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 15:17 -0800, Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > Eirik ?verby wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to > >>>> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone > >>>> share their experiences with this one? > >>> Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... > >>> > >> > >> I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? > > > > What he means is use controllers that do RAID in hardware, not > > software-raid cards like that Promise. > > I don't need RAID, I just need an eSATA jack. Wouldn't drives connected via eSata saturate the PCI bus? OTOH for backup purposes that might be negletable... (I'm looking too for something to replace my SLR tapes. Hard drives today are much less expensive, faster (?) and reliable as much (?) as any tape). So yes, I would be also interested to hear about experiences with this or other eSATA controllers under 6-STABLE... Michael From markir at paradise.net.nz Sun Jan 4 03:44:17 2009 From: markir at paradise.net.nz (Mark Kirkwood) Date: Sun Jan 4 03:44:24 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> Message-ID: <49602D06.8040501@paradise.net.nz> Vlad Skvortsov wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to use > for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone share > their experiences with this one? > > Also, the box is a pretty old hardware; pardon my ignorance, what > should I check to see if the PCI bus will accomomdate the card? The > card description[1] mentions: > > # PCI 33/66MHz bus supports up to 266MB/sec burst data transfer rate > (PCI 66MHz) > # PCI 2.3 compliant > > Thanks! > > [1]: > http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=Non-RAID%20HBAs&product_id=168 > > Your motherboard needs to be PCI 2.2 or 2.3 complaint according to the manual (you need to tell us what the board is for us to help here). Most should be unless they are very old (later Pentium III Coppermine onwards should be ok). The physical slot can be either a 32 or 64 bit one (if the latter the card only occupies the 1st half of it) - i.e any PCI slot. Having said that, Promise support in Freebsd is a little variable - I have not tried the later cards, but had no joy with a TX4000 in a Supermicro P3TDER, whereas a 3Ware 7506 worked no trouble at all. I would recommend getting a 3Ware SATA card (also they typically are a better card than the corresponding Promise). regards Mark From freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com Mon Jan 5 05:30:36 2009 From: freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com (Dieter) Date: Mon Jan 5 05:30:42 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:52:18 +0900." <1231037538.1547.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200901041721.RAA13680@sopwith.solgatos.com> > > >>>> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to > > >>>> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone > > >>>> share their experiences with this one? > > >>> Use Hardware Controllers - such as 3ware.... > > >>> > > >> > > >> I'm not quite getting what you mean -- can you clarify please? > > > > > > What he means is use controllers that do RAID in hardware, not > > > software-raid cards like that Promise. > > > > I don't need RAID, I just need an eSATA jack. > > Wouldn't drives connected via eSata saturate the PCI bus? Assuming the controller is fast enough: 1 SATA drive could saturate a PCI bus for short periods. 2 recent SATA drives could saturate a PCI bus sustained. If the machine doesn't have a PCIe slot available, what choice do you have? The main problem I see is if the machine is recording data coming in on the PCI bus in real time I'd worry about losing data. The Voltages are supposed to be a tad higher for eSATA, the official eSATA connector is different, and eSATA cables have more shielding. There are brackets that convert a SATA port to an eSATA port, if the case has a spare bracket-hole. Which probably means using up a slot. :-( Some cards with external ports use the internal SATA connector rather than the eSATA connector. Same for the convertor brackets. They make cables with one of each connector if you need that. There are cards with both internal and external ports and jumpers to route the signals to the desired port. For an inexpensive non-hardware-raid SATA PCI card I would look into the Sil 3124. 4 ports, 2nd generation, supposed to be faster and better than the 1st gen Sil controllers. See if someone has experience with it with FreeBSD. I have a 1st gen 3512 that works well with NetBSD, but some say the 1st gen Sil controllers don't work well with FreeBSD, and they might be leery of even the 2nd gen chips. The 3512 is too slow to saturate the PCI bus. For inexpensive non-hardware-raid SATA PCIe, there is the Sil 3132 with 2 ports, and the JMicron JMB363 with 2 SATA ports plus 1 PATA channel. I have the JMB363 with FreeBSD 7.0, it can do over 100 MB/s with recent drives. Has anyone found an inexpensive PCIe card with more than 2 SATA ports? Alternately, does FreeBSD support port multipliers yet? Or NCQ? From vss at 73rus.com Tue Jan 6 20:10:34 2009 From: vss at 73rus.com (Vlad Skvortsov) Date: Tue Jan 6 20:10:47 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: <49602D06.8040501@paradise.net.nz> References: <495D6317.4050603@73rus.com> <49602D06.8040501@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <4963BAB8.2040808@73rus.com> Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Vlad Skvortsov wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking to buy a Promise SATA300 TX4302 (PCI->[e]SATA) card to >> use for external backups on a FreeBSD 6-STABLE system. Can anyone >> share their experiences with this one? >> >> Also, the box is a pretty old hardware; pardon my ignorance, what >> should I check to see if the PCI bus will accomomdate the card? The >> card description[1] mentions: >> >> # PCI 33/66MHz bus supports up to 266MB/sec burst data transfer rate >> (PCI 66MHz) >> # PCI 2.3 compliant >> >> Thanks! >> >> [1]: >> http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?segment=Non-RAID%20HBAs&product_id=168 >> >> > Your motherboard needs to be PCI 2.2 or 2.3 complaint according to the > manual (you need to tell us what the board is for us to help here). > Most should be unless they are very old (later Pentium III Coppermine > onwards should be ok). Thanks Mark -- that's exactly what I was asking for :-) Is there a way to check this without physical access to the box? dmesg doesn't seem to contain this info; pciconf is hot helpful as well. > > The physical slot can be either a 32 or 64 bit one (if the latter the > card only occupies the 1st half of it) - i.e any PCI slot. > > Having said that, Promise support in Freebsd is a little variable - I > have not tried the later cards, but had no joy with a TX4000 in a > Supermicro P3TDER, whereas a 3Ware 7506 worked no trouble at all. I > would recommend getting a 3Ware SATA card (also they typically are a > better card than the corresponding Promise). Hmm, that's too pricey for me ($250+ range); I was looking for something < $100 and without RAID. It seems that people have no experience with this particular card though, so I'll start another thread to find out what other options exist. -- Vlad Skvortsov, vss@73rus.com, http://vss.73rus.com From freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com Wed Jan 7 05:13:18 2009 From: freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com (Dieter) Date: Wed Jan 7 05:13:28 2009 Subject: Promise SATA300 TX4302 feedback? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:10:32 PST." <4963BAB8.2040808@73rus.com> Message-ID: <200901062135.VAA16468@sopwith.solgatos.com> > > Your motherboard needs to be PCI 2.2 or 2.3 complaint according to the > > manual (you need to tell us what the board is for us to help here). > > Most should be unless they are very old (later Pentium III Coppermine > > onwards should be ok). > > Thanks Mark -- that's exactly what I was asking for :-) > > Is there a way to check this without physical access to the box? dmesg > doesn't seem to contain this info; pciconf is hot helpful as well. If you know the make and model of the mainboard you could see if the specifications are online. Try the manufacturer's web site, or ask yahoo/google/... If the card you select isn't universal Voltage, you'll need to know if the slot is 5 Volt or 3.3 Volt. The keying is supposed to tell you, but some mainboards have a jumper to select the PCI Voltage, and I don't think moving the jumper changes the keying. :-) From kirill at problemam-net.ru Wed Jan 7 11:14:36 2009 From: kirill at problemam-net.ru (Kirill) Date: Wed Jan 7 11:14:43 2009 Subject: age problem Message-ID: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> Hello, i have some problems with age: FreeBSD home.unix 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 7 01:29:52 MSK 2009 Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: master reset timeout! Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: reset timeout(0xffffffff)! Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: PCI device revision : 0x00b0 Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: Chip id/revision : 0xffff Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: invalid chip revision : 0xffff -- not initialized? How can i fix this? -- Kirill From Andrew.Hodgson at allpay.net Wed Jan 7 16:04:42 2009 From: Andrew.Hodgson at allpay.net (Andrew Hodgson) Date: Wed Jan 7 16:04:49 2009 Subject: FreeBSD 7.0 with a Jetway JNC91 motherboard? Message-ID: Hi, Just wondered whether anyone has ran FreeBSD 7.0 with the above motherboard? I am thinking of replacing my current Via motherboard on my current system. This is a text based install for server apps only. Thanks. Andrew. -- allpay.net Limited, Fortis et Fides, Whitestone Business Park, Whitestone, Hereford, HR1 3SE. Registered in England No. 02933191. UK VAT Reg. No. 666 9148 88. Telephone: 0870 243 3434, Fax: 0870 243 6041. Website: www.allpay.net Email: enquiries@allpay.net This email, and any files transmitted with it, is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the allpay.net Information Security Manager at the number above. From fbsd at dannysplace.net Thu Jan 8 01:11:02 2009 From: fbsd at dannysplace.net (Danny Carroll) Date: Thu Jan 8 01:11:15 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A849C.7030009@dannysplace.net> <20081031043412.GA22289@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> Message-ID: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> I'd like to post some results of what I have found with my tests. I did a few different types of tests. Basically a set of 5-disk tests and a set of 12-disk tests. I did this because I only had 5 ports available on my onboard controller and I wanted to see how the areca compared to that. I also wanted to see comparisons between JBOD, Passthru and hardware raid5. I have not tested raid6 or raidz2. You can see the results here: http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm An explanation of each of the tests: ICH9_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with onboard SATA ports. ARECAJBOD_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in JBOD mode. ARECAJBOD_ZFS_NoWriteCache 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in JBOD mode and with disk caches disabled. ARECARAID 5 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca raid5 array. ARECAPASSTHRU 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in Passthru mode. This means that the onboard areca cache is active. ARECARAID-UFS2 5 disk ufs2 single-disk test with Areca raid5 array. ARECARAID-BIG 12 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca raid5 array. ARECAPASSTHRU_12 12 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports configured in Passthru mode. This means that the onboard areca cache is active. I'll probably be opting for the ARECAPASSTHRU_12 configuration. Mainly because I do not need amazing read speeds (network port would be saturated anyway) and I think that the raidz implementation would be more fault tolerant. By that I mean if you have a disk read error during a rebuild then as I understand it, raidz will write off that block (and hopefully tell me about dead files) but continue with the rest of the rebuild. This is something I'd love to test for real, just to see what happens. But I am not sure how I could do that. Perhaps removing one drive, then a few random writes to a remaining disk (or two) and seeing how it goes with a rebuild. Something else worth mentioning. When I converted from JBOD to passthrough, I was able to re-import the disks without any problems. This must mean that the areca passthrough option does not alter the disk much, perhaps not at all. After a 21 hour rebuild I have to say I am not that keen to do more of these tests, but if there is something someone wants to see, then I'll definitely consider it. One thing I am at a loss to understand is why turning off the disk caches when testing the JBOD performance produced almost identical (very slightly better) results. Perhaps it was a case of the ZFS internal cache making the disks cache redundant? Comparing to the ARECA passthrough (where the areca cache is used) shows again, similar results. -D From programadorlinux at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 01:30:01 2009 From: programadorlinux at gmail.com (Israel Miranda) Date: Thu Jan 8 01:30:08 2009 Subject: Apple Powerbook G4 and some modem doubts In-Reply-To: <495D6049.5040909@fragfest.com.au> References: <4d3a76db0812230640i6aba7c43s525e17af011a3b8b@mail.gmail.com> <495D6049.5040909@fragfest.com.au> Message-ID: <4d3a76db0901071729k2fa0859fy1944c7d1421bc55a@mail.gmail.com> I used Debian for a long time too. I started to get frustrated with debian when I was compiling many packages from source in experimental, debian source tools are not so good as the binary tools, and I always was curious about BSD's system and the source approach so I decided to migrate. I am aware that I may have more compatibility and software available with linux, but I want to avoid that at all costs. I already installed freebsd in my desktop x-86 machine and I decided to use my agere based modem. I have a promotion that I get some credits for using dial-up connections for some ISP, so once in a while I connect just for these credits, because I have a DSL connection, so it is not so mandatory that I have it working. I am having problem installing openbsd in my powerbook, the boot cd I starts loading and after some seconds it halts my powerbook, and change the configuration of my system time to the beggining of the UNIX era lol I tried openbsd 4.4, 4.3, 4.1, 3.9, 3.6 and no success My powerbook is the 5,9 the last model realeased and I searched the web a lot about it with no luck. The only reference I found was about some people with the same problem http://www.archivesat.com/OpenBSD_PowerPC_port/thread3963726.htm I'll try to contact him and ask for help in the openbsd list. I didn't try the freebsd in my powerbook because it has no driver for my wireless card, so I will keep looking for a solution to install openbsd but for the time I am just configuring and studying freebsd in my x-86 machine. 2009/1/1 Dean Hamstead > If you want non-macosx on that hardware, linux is most likely your best > option. Burn me at the stake as needed. I ran debian linux on various G3 and > G4 hardware for about 5 years. Its a shame they abandoned the arch, its the > most stable linux ive used. > > You want a dial up modem?? > > Dean > > Israel Miranda wrote: > >> Hi there guys. I just acquired and used powerbook g4 on ebay, and I've >> been >> planning to install freebsd on my machines for quite sometime. >> Does any of you use freebsd on a powerpc machine ? >> I'll install it anyway, but I just wonder if there is good support for >> freebsd in the ppc platform. I mean, enough programs, I know ppc >> architecture is on tyer 2 support, so I am asking if someone has freebsd >> installed on a powerpc machine as a primary >> operating system and is satisfied with it. Actually I am more worried >> about >> skype because I need it, and maybe some other apps I'll need in the way. >> My doubt is to use either freebsd or macos X leopard in my powerbook as >> primary OS. At first Macos X leopard seems to have a lot of apps for ppc >> but >> I am a new Macos X user too. Please, no suggestions of installing linux, I >> am a long time linux user and I no longer want to use it for my personal >> machines. >> >> My second question is about modem support. >> My desktop computer is a Pentium 4 478 socket 2.6ghz HT, on a intel D865 >> PERL motherboard and an intel 537EP modem. >> Please recommend me any pci modem that is fully supported, because my >> modem >> has no freebsd driver at all. >> >> Thanks for the help guys. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > -- Filosofia de software livre: Informa??o ? de gra?a pessoas n?o s?o contribuidores n?o tem pre?o. Israel Vin?cius Nogueira Miranda From pyunyh at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 01:55:50 2009 From: pyunyh at gmail.com (Pyun YongHyeon) Date: Thu Jan 8 01:55:56 2009 Subject: age problem In-Reply-To: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> References: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> Message-ID: <20090108013516.GC1256@cdnetworks.co.kr> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:44:37PM +0300, Kirill wrote: > Hello, i have some problems with age: > FreeBSD home.unix 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 7 01:29:52 MSK 2009 > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: master reset timeout! > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: reset timeout(0xffffffff)! > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: PCI device revision : 0x00b0 > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: Chip id/revision : 0xffff > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: invalid chip revision : 0xffff -- not initialized? > > How can i fix this? > I also remember some users reported this before and I guess the issue is related with power-saving feature of controller. Unfortunately there is no known solution yet. Unplug power cord from the system and waiting 5-10 min seems to help. Also make sure plug UTP cable prior to booting system. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From zbeeble at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 08:01:45 2009 From: zbeeble at gmail.com (Zaphod Beeblebrox) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:01:52 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <5f67a8c40901072340u1dd514b4x21506d4ca491ff6d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Danny Carroll wrote: > I'd like to post some results of what I have found with my tests. > I did a few different types of tests. Basically a set of 5-disk tests > and a set of 12-disk tests. > > I did this because I only had 5 ports available on my onboard controller > and I wanted to see how the areca compared to that. I also wanted to > see comparisons between JBOD, Passthru and hardware raid5. > > I have not tested raid6 or raidz2. > > You can see the results here: > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm > ... been a long time since I've seen someone link stuff on this list that won't shot in Firefox. Pretty sad that it's just a table of values that would be just as well presented as text. From kgysmits at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 08:13:31 2009 From: kgysmits at gmail.com (Koen Smits) Date: Thu Jan 8 08:13:37 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: > One thing I am at a loss to understand is why turning off the disk > caches when testing the JBOD performance produced almost identical (very > slightly better) results. Perhaps it was a case of the ZFS internal > cache making the disks cache redundant? Comparing to the ARECA > passthrough (where the areca cache is used) shows again, similar results. > > -D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" My guess is it probably has to do with the way ZFS does cache flushes: http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Cache_Flushes It might be worth it to disable the forced flushing and test again, if you feel like it. -Koen From ndenev at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 09:47:53 2009 From: ndenev at gmail.com (Nikolay Denev) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:47:59 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A849C.7030009@dannysplace.net> <20081031043412.GA22289@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8 Jan, 2009, at 02:33 , Danny Carroll wrote: > I'd like to post some results of what I have found with my tests. > I did a few different types of tests. Basically a set of 5-disk tests > and a set of 12-disk tests. > > I did this because I only had 5 ports available on my onboard > controller > and I wanted to see how the areca compared to that. I also wanted to > see comparisons between JBOD, Passthru and hardware raid5. > > I have not tested raid6 or raidz2. > > You can see the results here: > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm > > An explanation of each of the tests: > ICH9_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with onboard SATA > ports. > ARECAJBOD_ZFS 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA > ports configured in JBOD mode. > ARECAJBOD_ZFS_NoWriteCache 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA > ports configured in JBOD mode and with > disk caches disabled. > ARECARAID 5 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca > raid5 array. > ARECAPASSTHRU 5 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports > configured in Passthru mode. This > means that the onboard areca cache is > active. > ARECARAID-UFS2 5 disk ufs2 single-disk test with Areca > raid5 array. > ARECARAID-BIG 12 disk zfs single-disk test with Areca > raid5 array. > ARECAPASSTHRU_12 12 disk zfs raidz test with Areca SATA ports > configured in Passthru mode. This > means that the onboard areca cache is > active. > > > I'll probably be opting for the ARECAPASSTHRU_12 configuration. > Mainly > because I do not need amazing read speeds (network port would be > saturated anyway) and I think that the raidz implementation would be > more fault tolerant. By that I mean if you have a disk read error > during a rebuild then as I understand it, raidz will write off that > block (and hopefully tell me about dead files) but continue with the > rest of the rebuild. > > This is something I'd love to test for real, just to see what happens. > But I am not sure how I could do that. Perhaps removing one drive, > then > a few random writes to a remaining disk (or two) and seeing how it > goes > with a rebuild. > > Something else worth mentioning. When I converted from JBOD to > passthrough, I was able to re-import the disks without any problems. > This must mean that the areca passthrough option does not alter the > disk > much, perhaps not at all. > > After a 21 hour rebuild I have to say I am not that keen to do more of > these tests, but if there is something someone wants to see, then I'll > definitely consider it. > > One thing I am at a loss to understand is why turning off the disk > caches when testing the JBOD performance produced almost identical > (very > slightly better) results. Perhaps it was a case of the ZFS internal > cache making the disks cache redundant? Comparing to the ARECA > passthrough (where the areca cache is used) shows again, similar > results. > > -D > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" There is a big difference betweeen hardware and ZFS raidz with 12 disk on the get_block test, maybe it would be interesting to rerun this test with zfs prefetch disabled? - -- Regards, Nikolay Denev -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkllxT8ACgkQHNAJ/fLbfrnHnwCeJ8nSjBY6fc0Lvu2+fSN5E4HI zb0Ani2ZFLdxYCWYBuCnoo+D244O2lg5 =EKgi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gpagnoni at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 09:49:09 2009 From: gpagnoni at gmail.com (Giuseppe Pagnoni) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:49:17 2009 Subject: PATA DVD on Asus P5Q Pro In-Reply-To: <92056ebc0901070431s227deea9l5c1da62a2dd2c5f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <92056ebc0901070431s227deea9l5c1da62a2dd2c5f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, although I posted a previous email to the list about this issue some months ago, I thought I would check again to see whether anything has changed with the 7.1 release. I have an LG cd/dvd combo (model GH22LP20) that attaches to the PATA(/IDE) connector of an Asus P5Q Pro motherboard. The specs for the motherboard are the following: N? sockets (max memory): 4xDDR2 (max 8GB) Chipset: Intel P45 (LGA775 platform)+ ICH10R Sound Card: Realtek ALC1200 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio SATA support, N? connectors: 8x SATA2, 1x PATA LAN: Atheros AR8121 10/100/1000 Mb/s RAID: 0,1,0+1,5 Connectors: * 2 slots for PCI Express 16x 2.0 * 3 slots PCI Express x1 * 2 slots PCI 2.2 * 12 x USB * 2 x Firewire The PATA-133/IDE interface is implemented via an additional Marvell 88SE6111 controller (SATA is driven via ICH10R). My problem is that the DVD drive is not seen by FreeBSD, although it is seen by the BIOS in the boot up phase. In the previous post Jeremy Chadwick kindly pointed out that the Marvell 88SE6111controller may not be supported by FreeBSD. I was wondering if this is still the case with the 7.1 Release and whether somebody could suggest a workaround that does not involve replacing the drive (e.g., is it possible to use some sort of converter cable from SATA to PATA? I apologize if this is complete nonsense, but I know virtually nothing about buses and connector types). By the way, if this may be of interest to other users, the Atheros onboard NIC appears to work fine with the driver "ale" (disabled by default in the GENERIC kernel), and sound works too with the kernel module snd_hda. thanks in advance for any suggestion very best giuseppe From tmueller at sysgo.com Thu Jan 8 17:24:53 2009 From: tmueller at sysgo.com (Thomas Mueller) Date: Thu Jan 8 17:25:00 2009 Subject: PATA DVD on Asus P5Q Pro In-Reply-To: <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> References: <92056ebc0901070431s227deea9l5c1da62a2dd2c5f2@mail.gmail.com> <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090108175554.4ef37080@tom.ulm.sysgo.com> Hi, On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:24:35 +0100, Giuseppe Pagnoni wrote: > I have an LG cd/dvd combo (model GH22LP20) that attaches to the > PATA(/IDE) connector of an Asus P5Q Pro motherboard. The specs for > the motherboard are the following: > [...] > My problem is that the DVD drive is not seen by FreeBSD, although it > is seen by the BIOS in the boot up phase. FWIW, I'm seeing the same behaviour with 7.1-SATBLE with a GH22NP20 connected to the PATA port of a MSI-KA780G (AMD SB700). -- Thomas Mueller From fbsd at dannysplace.net Fri Jan 9 02:30:22 2009 From: fbsd at dannysplace.net (Danny Carroll) Date: Fri Jan 9 02:30:58 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <490A8FAD.8060009@dannysplace.net> <491BBF38.9010908@dannysplace.net> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> Koen Smits wrote: > My guess is it probably has to do with the way ZFS does cache flushes: > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Cache_Flushes > It might be worth it to disable the forced flushing and test again, if > you feel like it. I've just done this and the results are on the same page: http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm The Excel version is here: http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.xls It is a major improvement but I do not know 100% for sure if the disks are protected by the write cache/battery backup when in Passthrough mode. When creating a passthrough disk the "Volume Cache Mode" can be set to "Write Back" or "Write Through". This makes me feel as though the cache is being used and that when the cache is used, so is the BBU. But I cannot be 100% sure. I will send an email to Areca support to ask. -D From freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com Fri Jan 9 05:06:44 2009 From: freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com (Dieter) Date: Fri Jan 9 05:06:50 2009 Subject: PATA DVD on Asus P5Q Pro In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jan 2009 10:24:35 +0100." <92056ebc0901080124y26fd5900h242ae49540b092f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901081821.SAA10823@sopwith.solgatos.com> > The PATA-133/IDE interface is implemented via an additional Marvell > 88SE6111 controller (SATA is driven via ICH10R). > > My problem is that the DVD drive is not seen by FreeBSD, although it > is seen by the BIOS in the boot up phase. In the previous post Jeremy > Chadwick kindly pointed out that the Marvell 88SE6111controller may > not be supported by FreeBSD. I was wondering if this is still the > case with the 7.1 Release You could try looking at the online ata(4) man page for 7.1 and see if the controller is listed. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi You could see if NetBSD or OpenBSD supports the controller and if so look into porting the support over to FreeBSD. > and whether somebody could suggest a > workaround that does not involve replacing the drive (e.g., is it > possible to use some sort of converter cable from SATA to PATA? I > apologize if this is complete nonsense, but I know virtually nothing > about buses and connector types). They make chips that bridge between SATA and PATA. Chips: JM20330, SIL3611, Marvell 88SA8040 They make small boards with these chips, intended to plug into a drive and then provide the other type connector. Some have mounting holes, so you could use both a SATA and PATA cable and mount the board somewhere. The boards run US$8-30. Make sure the board can operate in the direction you need it to (SATA controller to PATA drive). Some boards have a jumper for this but some don't. Make sure the board has the correct gender PATA connector. The gender of the SATA connector isn't critical. If a normal cable doesn't work you can get a SATA "extension" cable. If you have a free PCIe slot (any size), the JMicron JMB363 provides 2 SATA ports and 1 PATA channel. FreeBSD suports the JMB363. These cards run US$10.50-$14. I'm sure there are a bunch of other PATA controller cards you could use. See the ata(4) man page. There are USB to SATA/PATA bridges available. $15 or so. I'm not fond of these as they tend to be slow, and I haven't found one that allows turning off the disk write cache. For a CD/DVD drive you might not care. There are firewire to PATA bridges available. One of these is buggy, but there might be chips that work properly. There are SCSI to PATA bridges available. If you want to be able to boot from CD/DVD, some of these options might not work, depending on the firmware on your mainboard. From kgysmits at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 08:46:59 2009 From: kgysmits at gmail.com (Koen Smits) Date: Fri Jan 9 08:47:06 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: Those numbers are pretty good, right? Who needs onboard XOR anyway :) On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 03:30, Danny Carroll wrote: > Koen Smits wrote: > > My guess is it probably has to do with the way ZFS does cache flushes: > > > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Cache_Flushes > > It might be worth it to disable the forced flushing and test again, if > > you feel like it. > > I've just done this and the results are on the same page: > > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.htm > The Excel version is here: > > http://www.dannysplace.net/quickweb/filesystem%20tests.xls > > It is a major improvement but I do not know 100% for sure if the disks > are protected by the write cache/battery backup when in Passthrough mode. > > When creating a passthrough disk the "Volume Cache Mode" can be set to > "Write Back" or "Write Through". This makes me feel as though the cache > is being used and that when the cache is used, so is the BBU. But I > cannot be 100% sure. I will send an email to Areca support to ask. > > -D > From fbsd at dannysplace.net Fri Jan 9 09:02:11 2009 From: fbsd at dannysplace.net (Danny Carroll) Date: Fri Jan 9 09:02:17 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <491C5AA7.1030004@samsco.org> <491C9535.3030504@dannysplace.net> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> Koen Smits wrote: > Those numbers are pretty good, right? Who needs onboard XOR anyway :) > Those numbers are great, but I would love to know that writes to the disks are also protected by the battery backup. If not then I'll be forced to use either hardware raid5/6 or perhaps some other configuration. Maybe 6 stripe sets in a raidz array? At the end of the day however I really don't care about the performance, even the slowest of the tests I did would be fast enough to saturate a gigabit ethernet port, which is way fast enough for me. But its an interesting set of tests... -D From pyunyh at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 11:19:28 2009 From: pyunyh at gmail.com (Pyun YongHyeon) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:19:35 2009 Subject: age problem In-Reply-To: <20090108013516.GC1256@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <20090107134437.1c430dfa.kirill@problemam-net.ru> <20090108013516.GC1256@cdnetworks.co.kr> Message-ID: <20090109111915.GH30747@cdnetworks.co.kr> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 10:35:16AM +0900, To Kirill wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:44:37PM +0300, Kirill wrote: > > Hello, i have some problems with age: > > FreeBSD home.unix 7.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Jan 7 01:29:52 MSK 2009 > > > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: master reset timeout! > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: reset timeout(0xffffffff)! > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: PCI device revision : 0x00b0 > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: Chip id/revision : 0xffff > > Jan 7 12:29:38 home kernel: age0: invalid chip revision : 0xffff -- not initialized? > > > > How can i fix this? > > > > I also remember some users reported this before and I guess the > issue is related with power-saving feature of controller. > Unfortunately there is no known solution yet. Unplug power cord > from the system and waiting 5-10 min seems to help. Also make sure > plug UTP cable prior to booting system. > Would try the following WIP version? http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/age/if_age.c http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/age/if_agereg.h I have no longer access to hardware so I don't know whether it helps or not. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From glembono at aggio.com Fri Jan 9 12:28:09 2009 From: glembono at aggio.com (Gunawan Lembono) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:28:16 2009 Subject: Ethernet Interfaces NC373i support Message-ID: <49673755.4070209@aggio.com> Dear Yuri, I read your port in http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-hardware/200804/msg00030.html regarding bce NC373i. I'm going to buy DELL PowerEdge 2900 III Server and HP ProLiant ML370 G5, which i know using NC373i interface. Did you had experience a problem with FreeBSD 7.0 or 7.1 for this NIC ? Does it works ? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Gunawan From kgysmits at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 15:58:07 2009 From: kgysmits at gmail.com (Koen Smits) Date: Fri Jan 9 15:58:18 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: Please let us know what Areca says about the caching. If you ask me, these results definitely are cached. On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:02, Danny Carroll wrote: > Koen Smits wrote: > > Those numbers are pretty good, right? Who needs onboard XOR anyway :) > > > > Those numbers are great, but I would love to know that writes to the > disks are also protected by the battery backup. If not then I'll be > forced to use either hardware raid5/6 or perhaps some other > configuration. Maybe 6 stripe sets in a raidz array? > > At the end of the day however I really don't care about the performance, > even the slowest of the tests I did would be fast enough to saturate a > gigabit ethernet port, which is way fast enough for me. But its an > interesting set of tests... > > -D > From fbsd at dannysplace.net Sat Jan 10 04:58:51 2009 From: fbsd at dannysplace.net (Danny Carroll) Date: Sat Jan 10 04:59:02 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <49682AEF.8010006@dannysplace.net> Koen Smits wrote: > Please let us know what Areca says about the caching. > If you ask me, these results definitely are cached. > Are yes but are they cached by the OS or by the array controller :-) -D From ludivine at f-j-b.fr Mon Jan 12 06:10:55 2009 From: ludivine at f-j-b.fr (f-j-b) Date: Mon Jan 12 06:11:04 2009 Subject: Envoi de Fax en nombre Message-ID: Bonjour, si vous n'arrivez pas ? lire ce message, visualisez la version en ligne Merci. 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Pour ne plus recevoir nos messages : [3]d?sinscription References 1. mailto:jacqueline@force-marketing.fr 2. http://url.f-j-b.fr/id.asp?l=51072-7023196-904884-1976-0 3. http://url.f-j-b.fr/id.asp?l=51073-7023196-904884-1976-0&id=904884-1976-7023196-cec6bcd7&res=fr From korvus at comcast.net Tue Jan 13 11:43:46 2009 From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:43:54 2009 Subject: amr driver changes in FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE Message-ID: <496CEB13.5040806@comcast.net> Hello, We have a Dell PowerEdge 1850 server. It contains two PERC4 RAID controllers. One is a PERC4e/Si, and the other is a PERC4/DC. Right now we are running FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE, with a 36GB RAID-1 on the PERC4e/Si (amr0), and both a 1TB RAID5 and a 136GB RAID1 on the PERC4/DC(amr1). Both adapters are running the latest firmware revision. When we boot FreeBSD7.1 install media, the amr driver fails to detect any volumes (disks) attached to amr0, the PERC4e/Si. However, it picks up the attached disks on the PERC4/DC just fine. However, if I boot 7.0-RELEASE install media, it picks up all of the attached volumes, leading me to believe the issue is due to changes in the amr driver between 7.0 and 7.1. During the 7.1 boot process, before probing disks, we see the message "amr0: adapter is busy" show up twice. This also does not occur on the 6.3, 6.4, or 7.0 releases. We also have another PE1850 with a very similar configuration, except the two PERCs get probed in a different order, and it detects all of the attached volumes without any issues. Any suggestions? These are semi-critical systems, so we aren't always able to test things like this. But, we can schedule downtime once or twice a week if necessary. -Steve Polyack From hiryu at neo-zeon.de Tue Jan 13 12:18:43 2009 From: hiryu at neo-zeon.de (Cameron) Date: Tue Jan 13 12:18:55 2009 Subject: amr driver changes in FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <496CEB13.5040806@comcast.net> References: <496CEB13.5040806@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200901131201.28226.hiryu@neo-zeon.de> Hello, This seems related to a problem I had with a 7.1-PRERELEASE (I have since upgraded to 7.1-RELEASE, but haven't not tested if the problem is still there). If I compiled the kernel with only the amr driver, it would not see my raid volume. If I enabled a separate scsi driver (I think it was some LSI Logic scsi driver) in addition to amr, the amr driver would work fine. I wish I could give some exact details (like the name of the other scsi driver), but this is on my home machine, and I'm currently at work. While a generic 7.1-PRERELEASE kernel had both of these compiled in (of course), and worked fine for me, I suspect our problems are related. I have an LSI Logic 150-4 SATA raid controller. -Cameron n Tuesday 13 January 2009 11:27:15 am Steve Polyack wrote: > Hello, > > We have a Dell PowerEdge 1850 server. It contains two PERC4 RAID > controllers. One is a PERC4e/Si, and the other is a PERC4/DC. Right > now we are running FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE, with a 36GB RAID-1 on the > PERC4e/Si (amr0), and both a 1TB RAID5 and a 136GB RAID1 on the > PERC4/DC(amr1). Both adapters are running the latest firmware revision. > > When we boot FreeBSD7.1 install media, the amr driver fails to detect > any volumes (disks) attached to amr0, the PERC4e/Si. However, it picks > up the attached disks on the PERC4/DC just fine. However, if I boot > 7.0-RELEASE install media, it picks up all of the attached volumes, > leading me to believe the issue is due to changes in the amr driver > between 7.0 and 7.1. During the 7.1 boot process, before probing disks, > we see the message "amr0: adapter is busy" show up twice. This also > does not occur on the 6.3, 6.4, or 7.0 releases. > > We also have another PE1850 with a very similar configuration, except > the two PERCs get probed in a different order, and it detects all of the > attached volumes without any issues. > > Any suggestions? These are semi-critical systems, so we aren't always > able to test things like this. But, we can schedule downtime once or > twice a week if necessary. > > -Steve Polyack > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From vss at 73rus.com Tue Jan 13 14:33:05 2009 From: vss at 73rus.com (Vlad Skvortsov) Date: Tue Jan 13 14:33:13 2009 Subject: recommended cheap PCI SATA (eSATA) cards Message-ID: <496D16A0.5020805@73rus.com> Hi, I'm looking for a cheap (<$100) PCI SATA card for external backups on FreeBSD 6-STABLE. Because of the purpose: * the card doesn't have to be top-performing (though SATA300 is desirable); * no RAID is needed; * 1 port is enough; * eSATA jack is nice to have. 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Photos et documents non contractuels SD DEP 11/07. www.securitasdirect.fr Pour ne plus recevoir nos messages : [9]d?sinscription References 1. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 2. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 3. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 4. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 5. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 6. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 7. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 8. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51481-7023208-1286811-1978-0 9. http://url.jarfoval.fr/id.asp?l=51482-7023208-1286811-1978-0&id=1286811-1978-7023208-2939f658&res=fr From Jeremy at FutureCIS.com Thu Jan 15 07:32:56 2009 From: Jeremy at FutureCIS.com (ThinkDifferently) Date: Thu Jan 15 07:33:02 2009 Subject: Vetting motherboard Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H for FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <21077464.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <21077464.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <21479997.post@talk.nabble.com> ThinkDifferently wrote: > > I'm currently looking at the Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H. > I'd like to update everyone that the above motherboard does in fact work with FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. The onboard Ethernet port (chipset 8111C) will not work with 7.0. The updated driver is in 7.1. Everything works great, except this mobo has a software RAID driver, which FreeBSD does not support. So, you would have to do standalone disks or some other kind of volume management, like vinum, I suppose. All in all, it's very fast and easy to use. I just regret that it doesn't natively support hardware RAID. I splurged and got a RocketRAID 3120 card, but I'm currently struggling in that regard to get it to boot after the installation. See thread... http://www.nabble.com/How-do-I-use-RocketRAID-3120-with-FreeBSD-7.1-RELEASE-----tt21471603.html http://www.nabble.com/How-do-I-use-RocketRAID-3120-with-FreeBSD-7.1-RELEASE-----tt21471603.html I originally posted it in the FreeBSD-Drivers list, because I'm trying to figure out how to use the hptiop driver, included in FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Vetting-motherboard-Gigabyte-GA-MA78G-DS3H-for-FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE-tp21077464p21479997.html Sent from the freebsd-hardware mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From korvus at comcast.net Fri Jan 16 09:51:58 2009 From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack) Date: Fri Jan 16 09:52:04 2009 Subject: amr driver changes in FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <496CEB13.5040806@comcast.net> References: <496CEB13.5040806@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4970C617.50309@comcast.net> In case anyone is interested, the situation has only gotten weirder. Booting 7.1-R with 'boot -v' mysteriously adds: (probe32:amr1:1:6:0): error 22 (probe32:amr1:1:6:0): Unretryable Error However, amr1 is not the one that is giving us issues. It appears to work fine. amr0 is the one on which 7.1-R fails to find any volumes. Even stranger, a 'camcontrol devlist' manages to display all off the individual SCSI drives attached to amr0. Finally, this problem was solved whilst writing this e-mail. The default for kern.cam.scsi_delay (5000ms) appears to be too aggressive in my circumstances. Increasing it to 15000 solves my issue (and gets rid of "amr0: adapter is busy" messages). Steve Polyack wrote: > Hello, > > We have a Dell PowerEdge 1850 server. It contains two PERC4 RAID > controllers. One is a PERC4e/Si, and the other is a PERC4/DC. Right > now we are running FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE, with a 36GB RAID-1 on the > PERC4e/Si (amr0), and both a 1TB RAID5 and a 136GB RAID1 on the > PERC4/DC(amr1). Both adapters are running the latest firmware revision. > > When we boot FreeBSD7.1 install media, the amr driver fails to detect > any volumes (disks) attached to amr0, the PERC4e/Si. However, it > picks up the attached disks on the PERC4/DC just fine. However, if I > boot 7.0-RELEASE install media, it picks up all of the attached > volumes, leading me to believe the issue is due to changes in the amr > driver between 7.0 and 7.1. During the 7.1 boot process, before > probing disks, we see the message "amr0: adapter is busy" show up > twice. This also does not occur on the 6.3, 6.4, or 7.0 releases. > > We also have another PE1850 with a very similar configuration, except > the two PERCs get probed in a different order, and it detects all of > the attached volumes without any issues. > > Any suggestions? These are semi-critical systems, so we aren't always > able to test things like this. But, we can schedule downtime once or > twice a week if necessary. > > -Steve Polyack > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From Jeremy at FutureCIS.com Fri Jan 16 11:11:23 2009 From: Jeremy at FutureCIS.com (ThinkDifferently) Date: Fri Jan 16 11:11:29 2009 Subject: Is it possible to make a bootable RAID on AMD 700 series chipset? Message-ID: <21506446.post@talk.nabble.com> Specifically, I have a motherboard with the South Bridge AMD SB700 chipset for I/O and RAID support. This RAID requires a driver to be loaded at boot time (from the "ok" prompt) before the OS loads to recognize the RAID. I'm trying to install the FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE onto a RAID-1 (Mirror) using this chipset. 1) Is there a driver available in FreeBSD for this chipset (either natively or externally; if external, where)? 2) Once I make a mirror and install an OS onto it, can I make it bootable? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Note, I'm not a hacker, but nor am I a noob. My motherboard is Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H. I've already determined that FreeBSD does install and run well on it (and only the 7.1 release supports the 8111C onboard Ethernet LAN chipset). However, I have no clue how to do motherboard-based RAID with a boot-time driver in FreeBSD. My attempts at using a RocketRAID PCI card failed...something about it interfering with the onboard RAID chipset (even if it's disabled). I cannot boot from the RocketRAID, but that was a different thread entirely. My main focus with this thread is can I get a FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE bootable mirror on the SB700 chipset? Unfortunately, I didn't find anything on the FreeBSD.Org site regarding SB700. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-it-possible-to-make-a-bootable-RAID-on-AMD-700-series-chipset--tp21506446p21506446.html Sent from the freebsd-hardware mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jiashiun at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 03:39:03 2009 From: jiashiun at gmail.com (Jia-Shiun Li) Date: Sat Jan 17 03:39:11 2009 Subject: Is it possible to make a bootable RAID on AMD 700 series chipset? In-Reply-To: <21506446.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <21506446.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1d6d20bc0901170310k59673885t70ad7c2f6e7be2b9@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:11 AM, ThinkDifferently wrote: > Specifically, I have a motherboard with the South Bridge AMD SB700 chipset > for I/O and RAID support. This RAID requires a driver to be loaded at boot > time (from the "ok" prompt) before the OS loads to recognize the RAID. ataraid(4) does not have any info about ATI chipsets, and nor does dmraid of Linux. Supposingly ATI did not release info about software RAID metadata format so there is little the community can do. Since AMD released GPU info after acquiring ATI, maybe they need a poke about chipsets? JIa-Shiun. From amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru Mon Jan 19 06:22:22 2009 From: amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru (Dmitry Marakasov) Date: Mon Jan 19 06:22:31 2009 Subject: ASUS mobo for desktop Message-ID: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> Hi! I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard of some freezes with 4GB)? -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru From amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru Mon Jan 19 07:01:18 2009 From: amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru (Dmitry Marakasov) Date: Mon Jan 19 07:01:26 2009 Subject: ASUS mobo for desktop In-Reply-To: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> Message-ID: <20090119150124.GB56409@hades.panopticon> * Dmitry Marakasov (amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) wrote: > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > of some freezes with 4GB)? I think I've narrowed to P5QL-E vs. P5Q SE/R vs. P5Q now. The main question is about ATA/SATA controllers support: - JMicron JMB363 - Marvell 88SE6102-NNC1 - Marvell 88SE6111-NAA1 - Silicon image Sil5723CNU -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru From darcsis at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 07:26:29 2009 From: darcsis at gmail.com (Denise H. G.) Date: Mon Jan 19 07:26:36 2009 Subject: ASUS mobo for desktop In-Reply-To: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> (Dmitry Marakasov's message of "Mon\, 19 Jan 2009 17\:04\:24 +0300") References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> Message-ID: <86d4ejcpi4.fsf@pluton.xbsd.name> Dmitry Marakasov writes: > Hi! > > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > of some freezes with 4GB)? I'be been running FreeBSD 7.x on Asus M2A VM for some time. Nearly everything is OK after I upgraded the BIOS to the latest version. If you install 4GB memory on this board without latest BIOS, something weird would happen... -- darcsis ZAI gmail DIAN com From fbsd at dannysplace.net Tue Jan 20 22:40:34 2009 From: fbsd at dannysplace.net (Danny Carroll) Date: Tue Jan 20 22:40:46 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <4920E1DD.7000101@dannysplace.net> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <4976C370.4030406@dannysplace.net> Koen Smits wrote: > Please let us know what Areca says about the caching. > If you ask me, these results definitely are cached. > Sorry for the delay. Areca got back to me. It took a few days but I got someone who seemed to know what they were talking about. >From what I can gather the cache is always on. You can configure it to be writeback or writethrough in some situations but when that is not an option, writethrough is the default. I could not get any information about read caching although I might send an email to see what happens. Here is the transcript of the conversation: Me: I have a rather simple question about the 1231 controller. Can you please explain the difference between using disks in JBOD mode and using disks in passthrough mode. I have a feeling that the controller uses it's onboard cache when in passthrough mode. Is this the case? Also, are both read and write operations cached? Areca Support: Dear Sir, the only difference is in JBOD mode, controller configure all drives as passthrough disk. in RAID mode, you have to configure passthrough disk by yourself in RAID mode in other words, you can use raid with passthrough disks at saem time in RAID mode but JBOD mode not. Me: So does that mean if I use passthrough, I am not protected by the cache/battery backup? I ask because there is an option for cache mode when creating a passthrough disk. i.e. Write-Back or Write-Through Areca Support: Dear Sir, in JBOD mode, the default setting writeback mode. with writeback mode, you will need a battery module to protect the data remain in cache in case you got a power failure problem. Me: And so in Passthrough mode I am still protected with the battery backup? So JBOD = WriteBack Cache with protection of the battery backup. Passthrough = WriteBack or WriteThrough also with protection of the battery backup. Is this correct? Areca Support: Dear Sir, if you have battery module attached, yes. From kgysmits at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 01:16:09 2009 From: kgysmits at gmail.com (Koen Smits) Date: Wed Jan 21 01:16:16 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <4976C370.4030406@dannysplace.net> References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> <4976C370.4030406@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: > > Areca Support: > Dear Sir, > the only difference is > in JBOD mode, controller configure all drives as passthrough disk. > in RAID mode, you have to configure passthrough disk by yourself in RAID > mode > > in other words, you can use raid with passthrough disks at saem time in > RAID mode but JBOD mode not. > > Me: > So does that mean if I use passthrough, I am not protected by the > cache/battery backup? I ask because there is an option for cache mode > when creating a passthrough disk. i.e. Write-Back or Write-Through missed my 'reply to all' button, here goes the 2nd try. So 'passthrough' means that the controller lets the OS see the physical disks just as they are, but with an invisible cache in between that buffers operations. This way there is no advantage of the onboard XOR engine, but you do profit from the intelligent cache, which is the most important anyway imho. JBOD mode is at a disadvantage because in this mode the OS sees one large drive, and is not able to stripe the data to multiple disks, not taking advantage of the fact that you have multple spindles available. Makes sense to me :). I must admit, I do like these results. Very promising. Further tests would be using an SSD for the ZIL, testing linux and NT, etc. But let's not go there ;). From amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru Wed Jan 21 04:45:47 2009 From: amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru (Dmitry Marakasov) Date: Wed Jan 21 04:45:54 2009 Subject: ASUS mobo for desktop In-Reply-To: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> Message-ID: <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> * Dmitry Marakasov (amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) wrote: > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > of some freezes with 4GB)? I've bought Asus P5Q. For now I've just tested it with my bootable flash (-CURRENT from around September) - onboard Ethernet (Atheros) and PATA controller (Marvell) didn't work. However, after updating kernel to recent CURRENT Ethernet worked and PATA hard drive was detected). Now I'll check whether I really need CURRENT there (or 7.1 would suffice), move my desktop to that box, test it for a while and report some more info. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru From fbsd at dannysplace.net Wed Jan 21 05:15:20 2009 From: fbsd at dannysplace.net (Danny Carroll) Date: Wed Jan 21 05:15:32 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: References: <20081031033208.GA21220@icarus.home.lan> <20081117070818.GA22231@icarus.home.lan> <496549D9.7010003@dannysplace.net> <4966B6B1.8020502@dannysplace.net> <496712A2.4020800@dannysplace.net> <4976C370.4030406@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <49771FEE.1070606@dannysplace.net> Koen Smits wrote: > Areca Support: > Dear Sir, > the only difference is > in JBOD mode, controller configure all drives as passthrough disk. > in RAID mode, you have to configure passthrough disk by yourself in RAID > mode > > in other words, you can use raid with passthrough disks at saem time in > RAID mode but JBOD mode not. > > Me: > So does that mean if I use passthrough, I am not protected by the > cache/battery backup? I ask because there is an option for cache mode > when creating a passthrough disk. i.e. Write-Back or Write-Through > > > So 'passthrough' means that the controller lets the OS see the physical > disks just as they are, but with an invisible cache in between that > buffers operations. This way there is no advantage of the onboard XOR > engine, but you do profit from the intelligent cache, which is the most > important anyway imho. Not exactly. In JBOD mode ALL disks are passed through to the OS. You cannot have RAID. The cache is set to Write-Back. In RAID mode, you can mix raid5, raid6 and Passthrough (which are like JBOD but allow writethrough or writeback cache at your discretion). > JBOD mode is at a disadvantage because in this mode the OS sees one > large drive, and is not able to stripe the data to multiple disks, not > taking advantage of the fact that you have multple spindles available. > Makes sense to me :). No, in JBOD, the OS sees all disks individually. What you are talking about is a concatenated disk set which I don't think has a raid level. > I must admit, I do like these results. Very promising. Me too, although I am not sure if I like the idea of turning off the cache flushes in ZFS. I'd be a lot happier if the Areca card would tell me how 'full' the cache was. I'd also love to know if there was a way for the disk to tell me what the status if it's own cache is. > Further tests would be using an SSD for the ZIL, testing linux and NT, > etc. But let's not go there ;). Nope :-) -D From ltning at anduin.net Wed Jan 21 12:10:53 2009 From: ltning at anduin.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:11:04 2009 Subject: Areca 1200 controller panics 7.1 Message-ID: <91C5342C-A23F-4185-9D50-7BA4698CA393@anduin.net> Hi folks, see attached screenshot for panic screen. This happens when booting from 7.1-release CD. The box is a Sun X2200 M2, the controller is a 2- port SATA-II controller with 128mb cache memory. One drive is set as single drive (RAID-0), another as passthrough (to get hold of some data from pre-areca times). Another Areca controller in another box (different controller model (4- chan sata) and box (tyan transport)) works just fine. Input welcome. /Eirik From Jeremy at FutureCIS.com Wed Jan 21 12:18:41 2009 From: Jeremy at FutureCIS.com (ThinkDifferently) Date: Wed Jan 21 12:18:48 2009 Subject: Closure: Is it possible to make a bootable RAID on AMD 700 series chipset? Answer: No In-Reply-To: <1d6d20bc0901170310k59673885t70ad7c2f6e7be2b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <21506446.post@talk.nabble.com> <1d6d20bc0901170310k59673885t70ad7c2f6e7be2b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21591376.post@talk.nabble.com> Jia-Shiun Li wrote: > > ataraid(4) does not have any info about ATI chipsets, and nor does > dmraid of Linux. Supposingly ATI did not release info about software > RAID metadata format so there is little the community can do. > > Since AMD released GPU info after acquiring ATI, maybe they need a > poke about chipsets? > Indeed. In my research and unwitting trials with this particular motherboard (Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H), I found that, while it is generally well tolerated by FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE, the onboard RAID is completely incompatible. Even when a RocketRAID 3120 card was used, the RAID could be built, but the ar0 device thus created, did not survive a reboot. Also, a software RAID was attempted -- after a minimal install from CD, the atacontrol command was used to create RAID ar0, then (without rebooting) exiting back to the installer, the OS was loaded onto it; however, upon reboot, ar0 could not be found. In other words, it could not boot from any RAID, whether by software in FreeBSD or by hardware on RocketRAID. The problem stems from the board's Southbridge SB700 chipset (the infamous 700 series). This chipset is not (yet?) supported in FreeBSD. Other notes on this board include the following: -Generic VGA worked. -The onboard LAN (chipset 8111C) worked in 7.1-RELEASE, but not 7.0. -If the SATA ports are put into AHCI or Native IDE modes, individual disks were recognized, but in RAID mode, neither the RAID nor individual disks could be seen. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Is-it-possible-to-make-a-bootable-RAID-on-AMD-700-series-chipset--tp21506446p21591376.html Sent from the freebsd-hardware mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ltning at anduin.net Wed Jan 21 14:09:32 2009 From: ltning at anduin.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?=) Date: Wed Jan 21 14:09:40 2009 Subject: Areca 1200 controller panics 7.1 In-Reply-To: <91C5342C-A23F-4185-9D50-7BA4698CA393@anduin.net> References: <91C5342C-A23F-4185-9D50-7BA4698CA393@anduin.net> Message-ID: <93782012-B86F-423A-81A7-8996DF9BB9AC@anduin.net> Attachment not getting throuh. Panic transcribed below. /Eirik On Jan 21, 2009, at 20:53, Eirik ?verby wrote: > Hi folks, > > see attached screenshot for panic screen. This happens when booting > from 7.1-release CD. The box is a Sun X2200 M2, the controller is a > 2-port SATA-II controller with 128mb cache memory. One drive is set > as single drive (RAID-0), another as passthrough (to get hold of > some data from pre-areca times). > > Another Areca controller in another box (different controller model > (4-chan sata) and box (tyan transport)) works just fine. > > Input welcome. > > /Eirik (probe16:arcmsr0:0:16:0): inquiry data fails comparison at DV1 step arcmsr0: isr get an illegal srb command doneacb=?0xffffffff8124e000? srb=0xffff ffffaeb6c420? srbacb=?0xffffffff8124e000? startdone=0x3c3csrboutstandingcount=-1 Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0x34be2988 fault code = supervisor read data, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xffffffff807914c3 stack pointer = 0x10:0xffffffffaecaab60 frame pointer = 0x10:0xffffffff8124e000 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, long 1, def32 0, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 36 (irq17: arcmsr0) trap number = 12 panic: page fault From korvus at comcast.net Thu Jan 22 11:50:10 2009 From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack) Date: Thu Jan 22 11:50:16 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE Message-ID: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> We have multiple systems using LSILogic PERC4 cards (PERC4e/Si, PERC4/DC, amr driver). After recently upgrading two of them from 6.3 to 7.1, we have begun to see the following errors in our logs during heavy use in both systems: amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4da58. Controller is likely dead amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4eaa8. Controller is likely dead amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a497a0. Controller is likely dead amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4eaa8. Controller is likely dead However, the system continues working and the volumes remain accessible. This happens on the PERC4/DC controllers in both systems. Firmware version is 352D. MegaCLI reports no problems. Has anyone else seen these messages? A google search turns up nothing but results in the driver code. Is this something we should be worried about? We won't be moving any other systems to 7.1 until we can clear this up. Thanks! -Steve Polyack From scottl at samsco.org Thu Jan 22 12:28:21 2009 From: scottl at samsco.org (Scott Long) Date: Thu Jan 22 12:28:34 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> Message-ID: <55889FEE-0F42-4D40-8E90-447A2AFF70A6@samsco.org> I might have a fix for this, let me check and get back to you. Scott Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Steve Polyack wrote: > We have multiple systems using LSILogic PERC4 cards (PERC4e/Si, > PERC4/DC, amr driver). After recently upgrading two of them from > 6.3 to 7.1, we have begun to see the following errors in our logs > during heavy use in both systems: > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4da58. Controller is > likely dead > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4eaa8. Controller is > likely dead > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a497a0. Controller is > likely dead > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4eaa8. Controller is > likely dead > > However, the system continues working and the volumes remain > accessible. This happens on the PERC4/DC controllers in both > systems. Firmware version is 352D. MegaCLI reports no problems. > > Has anyone else seen these messages? A google search turns up > nothing but results in the driver code. Is this something we should > be worried about? We won't be moving any other systems to 7.1 until > we can clear this up. > > Thanks! > > -Steve Polyack From scottl at samsco.org Thu Jan 22 13:15:53 2009 From: scottl at samsco.org (Scott Long) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:15:59 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> Steve Polyack wrote: > We have multiple systems using LSILogic PERC4 cards (PERC4e/Si, > PERC4/DC, amr driver). After recently upgrading two of them from 6.3 to > 7.1, we have begun to see the following errors in our logs during heavy > use in both systems: > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4da58. Controller is > likely dead > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4eaa8. Controller is > likely dead > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a497a0. Controller is > likely dead > amr0: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a4eaa8. Controller is > likely dead > > However, the system continues working and the volumes remain > accessible. This happens on the PERC4/DC controllers in both systems. > Firmware version is 352D. MegaCLI reports no problems. > > Has anyone else seen these messages? A google search turns up nothing > but results in the driver code. Is this something we should be worried > about? We won't be moving any other systems to 7.1 until we can clear > this up. > The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case that I could try? Scott From korvus at comcast.net Thu Jan 22 13:27:24 2009 From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:27:36 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> Message-ID: <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> Scott Long wrote: > The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There > might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the > controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case > that I could > try? > > Scott > We saw this one while backups wrote from an array on the PERC4/DC to a tape drive (on a separate controller). amr1: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a6d060. Controller is likely dead The other four which I noted came during writes to the array attached to the PERC4/DC (external Dell PowerVault). I want to say they showed up while writing a 30G junkfile (/dev/random) to the array which we were using to test the tape access; either that, or while we wrote that file out to the tape drive. If it matters, we also use ports/sysutils/linux-megacli2 to periodically check the status of our arrays. It's possible that this happened during one of these long writes/reads. I'm not having any luck reproducing at the moment, but if I come across a reproducible test, I will let you know. Thanks! Steve Polyack From scottl at samsco.org Thu Jan 22 13:49:06 2009 From: scottl at samsco.org (Scott Long) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:49:12 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4978E9CA.8040908@samsco.org> Steve Polyack wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There >> might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the >> controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case >> that I could >> try? >> >> Scott >> > We saw this one while backups wrote from an array on the PERC4/DC to a > tape drive (on a separate controller). > amr1: Too many retries on command 0xffffffff80a6d060. Controller is > likely dead > > The other four which I noted came during writes to the array attached to > the PERC4/DC (external Dell PowerVault). I want to say they showed up > while writing a 30G junkfile (/dev/random) to the array which we were > using to test the tape access; either that, or while we wrote that file > out to the tape drive. > > If it matters, we also use ports/sysutils/linux-megacli2 to periodically > check the status of our arrays. It's possible that this happened during > one of these long writes/reads. I'm not having any luck reproducing at > the moment, but if I come across a reproducible test, I will let you know. > I don't know too much about the internals of the AMR firmware, but I imagine that it could be possible that a management command from megacli could stall the firmware and make this warning pop up. I'll see if I can reproduce it. The warning is harmless, though, even if it is strongly worded. Scott From gpagnoni at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 13:36:35 2009 From: gpagnoni at gmail.com (Giuseppe Pagnoni) Date: Fri Jan 23 13:36:43 2009 Subject: Atheros AR821 (Asus P5Q Pro) and 'ale' driver Message-ID: <92056ebc0901231336x188b4d81l9c6d804e8aa437de@mail.gmail.com> Dear all, I am running freebsd 7.1 rel on an Asus p5q pro motherboard with an onboard ethernet chip Atheros AR8121. I am using the "ale" driver, which generally seems to work, although I noticed that when connecting via ssh to the machine, I get disconnected with "corrupted MAC on input" a little too often. Does anybody know if this may be an issue related to the ethernet driver, or is it likely to be something totally unrelated? (I don't get the same behavior, though, when the machine is booted in Ubuntu). thank you very much for any suggestions giuseppe From freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com Fri Jan 23 21:46:27 2009 From: freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com (Dieter) Date: Fri Jan 23 21:46:34 2009 Subject: Dealing with Seagate's problematic 7200.11 firmware. Message-ID: <200901240523.FAA21539@sopwith.solgatos.com> Most of you have read about the problems with Seagate's 7200.11 disks. For those of you that haven't, the firmware on many of these drives is buggy, and can "brick" the drive when powering up or rebooting the system. Thus far, Seagate's response has been less than wonderful. We need a FLOSS solution. Goals: 1) Ability to read the number of log entries. 2) Ability to change the number of log entries. 3) Ability to install new firmware from Unix. We need for this to work with any flavor of Unix, on any CPU arch, without reboot or power cycle. We need for this to work on one drive without affecting other drives. I don't expect to be able to write FLOSS firmware for the drives, so this isn't listed as a goal. If you think you can, please feel free. The problem: "IF the drive is powered down when there are 320 entries in this journal or log, then when it is powered back up, the drive errors out on init and won't boot properly - to the point that it won't even report it's information to the BIOS." Maxtorman, slashdot discussion [2] If Maxtorman is correct, then once the drive has been operating awhile, we have a 1 in 320 chance that the circular log is at entry 320. We want to be able to find out how many log entries the disk currently has, and we want to be able to change the number of log entries away from 320, while we wait for Seagate to get its act together and release firmware that works properly. Since Seagate's solution will require attaching the drive to an x86 system and booting a FreeDOS ISO from CD, if the log is at 320 that boot will brick the drive. There are other firmware problems with the 7200.11 series, but this is the biggie. Once Seagate releases working firmware, we want to be able to install it from Unix, on any CPU arch. Seagate's release can only install on x86 using FreeDOS. *ATA Commands that may be useful: command name command code in hex page [1] pdf page [1] Read Log Ext 0x2F 27 33 S.M.A.R.T. Read Log Sector 0xB0 / 0xD5 28,34 34,40 S.M.A.R.T. Write Log Sector 0xB0 / 0xD6 28,34 34.40 Write Log Extended 0x3F 28 34 Download Microcode 0x92 27 33 Questions: Is Maxtorman correct about the 320 log entries? Are the commands listed above the ones we need? What is the difference between the "Log Extended" and the S.M.A.R.T. Log Sector? Is "Microcode" the same as "firmware"? (Seagate uses the term firmware elsewhere in the manual, but I don't find any sort of "write firmware" command.) Where can we get more detailed info about these commands and how to use them? References: [1] Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 Serial ATA Product Manual rev C August 2008 http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.11/100507013c.pdf [2] http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/21/0052236 From lawrence.auster at att.net Sun Jan 25 07:46:52 2009 From: lawrence.auster at att.net (Lawrence Auster) Date: Sun Jan 25 07:47:33 2009 Subject: Why are the Zionist leaders in Israel so happy about the new President? Message-ID: <20090125151626.LELL2046.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@2ao1z> Why is the President of Israel, the terrorist who just oversaw the Zionist mass murder and maiming of thousands of Palestinians so happy that Obama is President of the USA? by David Duke Read the excerpt from the Israeli News about how President Perez and Israel think that Obama’s becoming U.S. President is great day for Israel. "Israel’s President Shimon Peres ecstatic over the election of Obama" Ronen Medzini Israel News Jan. 21 “Today is a great day not only for the United States of America, but for the entire world,” President Shimon Peres wrote in a letter addressed to Barack Obama on the day of his inauguration as president of the United States. “Obama was elected by the United States, but as a matter of fact, he was chosen by the whole of humankind,” Why is Peres so ecstatic? Why shouldn’t he be, he knows that Obama is completely in the grip of the extremist Jewish Zionists in America, and he knows that the greater Obama’s popularity and idol worship, the more Obama can do for the International Zionist Cause. Any thinking and caring human being who realizes that the Zionist-controlled American foreign policy has been a disaster for the robbed and murdered people of Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and a catastrophe for the 50,000 American wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as an economic catastrophe for the hardworking Americans who pay trillions to finance these wars for Israel — must wake up the fact that supporting Obama and increasing his popularity will only aid Zionist terrorism, war, and their murder and oppression of the Palestinians. It will also hasten the economic suffering of billions of people around the world as his popularity enables him to more easily aid the Zionist International Bankers steal the wealth of the United States, Europe and the world. Obama is totally in the bloodstained and green ink- stained hands of the Zionists. The hard truth is that the more good will and support Obama has also gives more power to support the Zionist agenda! Mark my words. The Obama Presidency will be disaster for America and for the world. Obama was put into office by the Zionists. His top two cohorts for years have been the radical Jews David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel. Both have long records of radical Zionism and have been attack dogs against anyone perceived as having the slightest opposition to Israel. One such victim was Sen. Charles Percy, who both men worked to defeat and destroy because he dared to only be 99 percent rather than 100 percent pro-Israel. Rahm Emmanuel, a dual citizen of Israel who went to fight for Israel, he has a long pedigree of Jewish extremism. His father served in the Irgun Terrorist Gang and he himself is named after an Irgun terrorist. Zionist leaders in Chicago actually call Obama “the first Jewish President” and boast that Jews were key players in Obama’s every step up the ladder to President. from the very earliest days, extremist Jews were the largest contributors to his campaign. In the beginning of his Presidential bid, three Hollywood Jews that constantly make movies about Jewish suffering, but never about the Zionist terrorism and theft against the Palestinian people, Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, and Jeffrey Katzenberg raised 1.2 million for Obama in a single Hollywood party. By the time Obama’s campaign was in full swing, he had huge support from the criminal Zionist International Banking firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman brothers. Goldman Sachs was Obama’s biggest single contributor, and his vast war chest came not from American manufacturing firms like GM or even American oil companies, (not one was in his top twenty) it was overwhelmingly dominated by Zionist international bankers, the same ones whose thievery and fraud are giving the world this economic depression. For those looking for meaningful social and political change, do you really think it will come from this man who has already been bought heart, head and soul by the most powerful czars of the international financial establishment and the biggest globalists in the world? I know that many are desperate for change, so desperate that you want to believe anything. But in the face of these facts can’t you see that Obama will be even more dangerous to freedom and justice than even George Bush and his band of Neocons were. What better way to wipe out George Bush’s hated legacy and make the world believe that America has really changed than with the election of Obama. But, all the real Zionist power, Zionist media power, and Zionist financial power in America is still in place, even stronger than ever. Many Americans and others around the world who want to do good are now telling us how wonderful Obama will be as president. What a great change it will be from the old policies. This is because of the Zionist-Controlled media hype, promoting Obama. The fact is that these poor sods are ignorantly helping the radical Zionist agenda in Israel and around the world. Every day that you don’t help expose Obama for the Zionist servant that he actually is, his popularity will be a greater danger to peace and freedom. If the Zionist terrorist Shimon Perez is happy about the coronation of Obama, then why in the hell should you be? –David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/7303_7303.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 Thanks, Lawrence Auster, 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B New York, NY 10025 Contact: lawrence.auster@att.net ------------------------------------- From hselasky at c2i.net Sun Jan 25 09:07:04 2009 From: hselasky at c2i.net (Hans Petter Selasky) Date: Sun Jan 25 09:07:11 2009 Subject: Increasing "outsider" spam on FreeBSD lists Message-ID: <200901251709.26316.hselasky@c2i.net> Hi, Re: Why are the Zionist leaders in Israel so happy about the new President? This kind of e-mails have nothing to do here and should be deleted from the archive. And regarding the subject: I don't know. It's not my business. There are enough people tracking the middle-east conflict already. Go bug them! --HPS From won.derick at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 01:13:03 2009 From: won.derick at yahoo.com (Won De Erick) Date: Mon Jan 26 01:13:10 2009 Subject: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made Message-ID: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi All, On IBMx3650 (IPMIv2.0-compliant), running FreeBSD6.2. I noticed that my system is halting services for around 4-5 minutes, without sufficient logs on the system (system.log) that can bring me to the right conclusion (whether caused by unexpected reboots, etc). I then retrieved the system event logs (SEL) from the baseboard chip using FreeIPMI v0.6.3, and noticed for multiple "System Event #0:System Reconfigured" logs. The latest would be "54:23-Jan-2009 11:28:55:System Event #0:System Reconfigured" This is somewhat weird, as I did NOT change any in the system (BIOS, OS, BMC firmware, etc.) This is the cause of service halts as verified though my mrtg, and the system uptime. I usually get logs like the following (e.g. only) when such unresponsiveness is due to watchdog triggering, 24-Jan-2009 17:09:30:Watchdog 2 Watchdog:Hard Reset OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 or is simply due to manual/unexpected reboot ("init 0"/kernel panic): OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 With these, I suspect that the unresponsiveness of the system is not caused by a REAL reboots. Is there any possibily that the system's uptime can be changed even without restarting the box? What was that "system event #0;system reconfigured" mean? Is this related to SMM switching? by an attacker? Thanks, Won From won.derick at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 01:32:53 2009 From: won.derick at yahoo.com (Won De Erick) Date: Mon Jan 26 01:33:05 2009 Subject: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made References: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Is there any significant of the following? #dmesg ..... bce1: link state changed to DOWN bce1: link state changed to UP .... Can this result into the significant log on SEL? ----- Original Message ---- From: Won De Erick Hi All, On IBMx3650 (IPMIv2.0-compliant), running FreeBSD6.2. I noticed that my system is halting services for around 4-5 minutes, without sufficient logs on the system (system.log) that can bring me to the right conclusion (whether caused by unexpected reboots, etc). I then retrieved the system event logs (SEL) from the baseboard chip using FreeIPMI v0.6.3, and noticed for multiple "System Event #0:System Reconfigured" logs. The latest would be "54:23-Jan-2009 11:28:55:System Event #0:System Reconfigured" This is somewhat weird, as I did NOT change any in the system (BIOS, OS, BMC firmware, etc.) This is the cause of service halts as verified though my mrtg, and the system uptime. I usually get logs like the following (e.g. only) when such unresponsiveness is due to watchdog triggering, 24-Jan-2009 17:09:30:Watchdog 2 Watchdog:Hard Reset OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 or is simply due to manual/unexpected reboot ("init 0"/kernel panic): OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 With these, I suspect that the unresponsiveness of the system is not caused by a REAL reboot. Is there any possibily that the system's uptime can be changed even without restarting the box? What does that "system event #0;system reconfigured" mean? Is this related to SMM switching? by an attacker? Thanks, Won _______________________________________________ freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru Mon Jan 26 03:54:57 2009 From: amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru (Dmitry Marakasov) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:55:05 2009 Subject: ASUS mobo for desktop In-Reply-To: <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> Message-ID: <20090126145555.GC6054@hades.panopticon> * Dmitry Marakasov (amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) wrote: > > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > > of some freezes with 4GB)? > > I've bought Asus P5Q. For now I've just tested it with my bootable > flash (-CURRENT from around September) - onboard Ethernet (Atheros) > and PATA controller (Marvell) didn't work. However, after updating > kernel to recent CURRENT Ethernet worked and PATA hard drive was > detected). Now I'll check whether I really need CURRENT there (or > 7.1 would suffice), move my desktop to that box, test it for a while > and report some more info. As promised, some more info. - 7.1 is not enough, so I'm using current. - With current, everything works so far. Didn't use it for much serious work yet, but played Quake4 in wine for ~6 hrs :) - There was problem with ale(4) (see thread 'NFS data corruption' on freebsd-current@) - fixed with turning rxcsum and rxcsum off on the interface. - Also nvidia-driver refused to work hanging the system when 4GB RAM were installed in the box. Had to leave only 2GB Unrelated to hardware and current, I've used gjournal for a first time in this install, and found that the system is really unresponsive when writing large files. In general, I'd say I'm satisfied. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru From alo-freebsd-lists at louko.com Mon Jan 26 05:04:07 2009 From: alo-freebsd-lists at louko.com (Antti Louko) Date: Mon Jan 26 05:04:13 2009 Subject: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. In-Reply-To: <490A782F.9060406@dannysplace.net> References: <490A782F.9060406@dannysplace.net> Message-ID: <497D9651.6050607@louko.com> Danny Carroll wrote: > I've just become the proud new owner of an Areca 1231-ML which I plan to > use to set up an office server. > I'm very curious as to how ZFS compares to a hardware solution so I plan > to run some tests before I put this thing to work. Having just read this whole thread, I would like to comment: - For machine room rack mounted solutions Areca with SATA drives or similar is probably the way to go. - For ad hoc and home users, external FW (or USB, shudder) disks are quite nice. FW supports or at least is is supposed to support hot removal and insertion. And with glabel, everything is neatly under control. But what would really be nice for home use and in some cases even for data center use, would be inexpensive NAS drives. Most units so far only support 10/100M and barely exceed the 1MB/s. We tried LaCie Network Space which has 1G ethernet but: 1) It only supports SMB. 2) Performance sucks. Peak transfer rate is 9MB/s and sustained rate is about 2MB/s. Manual says it is essential to have 1G connection and switch. Actually, the performance is just the same with 100M ethernet. I tried ZFS over md over file over file in SMB share and it works. It crahses when the NAS is reset and SMB goes offline, but it could be made to work. I wonder, if there would be vblade (ATA over Ethernet) for that (or any) NAS, what kind of performance would be possible? Ideal would be an inexpensive (under USD40) AoE dongle but there is not one available. Any ideas of existing products or anything? Regards, Antti From eirik.overby at modirum.com Mon Jan 26 06:34:16 2009 From: eirik.overby at modirum.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?=) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:34:23 2009 Subject: Areca ARC-1210 abysmal performance Message-ID: Hi, I've just purchased a pile of Areca 1210 controllers, having seen that they should perform well with FreeBSD. Now having hooked up a pair of them to 4 WD 250gb SATA drives and configured them to RAID1+0, I see them perform very, very badly. Below is a typical test I run on newly created arrays, to see the sustained write speeds they can handle. It's nowhere near a real-world test, but I've found it to often reveal issues early on. As you can see, the Areca seems to accept a lump of data (filling its write cache) early on, then practically slows to a crawl, and for long stretches of time no data is written at all, before another burst is written followed by trickling, repeat ad infinitum. I've repeated this with HDD cache on and off, controller cache on and off, NCQ on and off and at both SATA150 and SATA300 speeds. When disabling the controller cache (setting it to write-through), I don't get the initial burst, but a slow trickle of data ~5-15 mbytes/sec. While this is going on, the system is basically unresponsive. There is nothing else going on, only sshd running. I've just updated the firmware to the latest as of today, however that didn't change anything. I'm on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. Dmesg output below. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Thanks, /Eirik [root@md-hh-play-01 /usr]# dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=64k & iostat 1 [1] 889 tty da0 pass0 pass1 cpu tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy in id 1 98 61.81 76 4.60 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 99 0 231 64.00 3732 233.22 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 13 2 85 0 79 64.00 264 16.48 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 64.00 394 24.60 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 1 0 98 0 77 64.00 320 19.98 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 1 1 98 0 77 61.74 234 14.10 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 64.00 180 11.24 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 99 0 77 60.90 31 1.84 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 [root@md-hh-play-01 /usr]# vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq3: sio0 304870 198 irq4: sio1 2 0 irq10: ohci0+ 258071 167 irq14: ata0 58 0 cpu0: timer 3075904 1999 irq256: nfe0 2652 1 cpu1: timer 3067930 1994 cpu2: timer 3067899 1994 cpu3: timer 3067930 1994 Total 12845316 8351 DMESG: Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jan 1 08:58:24 UTC 2009 root@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2218 (2600.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x40f13 Stepping = 3 Features = 0x178bfbff < FPU ,VME ,DE ,PSE ,TSC ,MSR ,PAE ,MCE ,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT> Features2=0x2001 AMD Features=0xea500800 AMD Features2=0x1f Cores per package: 2 usable memory = 4280922112 (4082 MB) avail memory = 4115517440 (3924 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 25000000 Hz quality 900 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) isab0: port 0x1c00-0x1c7f at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) ohci0: mem 0xc8040000-0xc8040fff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xc8041000-0xc80410ff irq 11 at device 2.1 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb1: EHCI version 1.0 usb1: companion controller, 10 ports each: usb0 usb1: on ehci0 usb1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x2480-0x248f at device 4.0 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] pcib1: at device 6.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0x3000-0x30ff mem 0xd0000000-0xd7ffffff,0xc8100000-0xc810ffff irq 5 at device 4.0 on pci1 nfe0: port 0x2490-0x2497 mem 0xc8042000-0xc8042fff,0xc8041800-0xc80418ff,0xc8041400-0xc804140f irq 11 at device 8.0 on pci0 miibus0: on nfe0 e1000phy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 e1000phy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX- FDX, auto nfe0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:81:76:89:a8 nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe1: port 0x2498-0x249f mem 0xc8044000-0xc8044fff,0xc8043000-0xc80430ff,0xc8041c00-0xc8041c0f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 miibus1: on nfe1 e1000phy1: PHY 1 on miibus1 e1000phy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX- FDX, auto nfe1: Ethernet address: 00:e0:81:76:89:a9 nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] pcib2: at device 10.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 13.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 15.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 0.0 on pci4 pci5: on pcib5 arcmsr0: mem 0xc8200000-0xc8200fff,0xd8000000-0xd83fffff irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci5 ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: Driver Version 1.20.00.15 2007-10-07 ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: FIRMWARE VERSION V1.46 2009-01-06 arcmsr0: [ITHREAD] pcib6: at device 0.2 on pci4 pci6: on pcib6 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] sio0: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A sio1: [FILTER] fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FILTER] ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77f irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold ppbus0: on ppc0 ppbus0: [ITHREAD] plip0: on ppbus0 plip0: WARNING: using obsoleted IFF_NEEDSGIANT flag lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ppc0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ppc0: [ITHREAD] cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: on cpu0 powernow0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 powernow1: on cpu1 cpu2: on acpi0 powernow2: on cpu2 cpu3: on acpi0 powernow3: on cpu3 ipmi0: on isa0 ipmi0: KCS mode found at io 0xca8 alignment 0x4 on isa orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc8fff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave UDMA33 Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle ipmi0: IPMI device rev. 0, firmware rev. 0.2, version 2.0 ipmi0: Number of channels 5 ipmi0: Attached watchdog (probe16:arcmsr0:0:16:0): inquiry data fails comparison at DV1 step da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device da0: 166.666MB/s transfers (83.333MHz DT, offset 32, 16bit) da0: 476837MB (976562176 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 60788C) SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a fuse4bsd: version 0.3.9-pre1, FUSE ABI 7.8 nfe0: link state changed to UP From jhb at freebsd.org Mon Jan 26 06:58:49 2009 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:58:56 2009 Subject: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made In-Reply-To: <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200901260951.16152.jhb@freebsd.org> On Monday 26 January 2009 4:32:51 am Won De Erick wrote: > Is there any significant of the following? > > #dmesg > ..... > bce1: link state changed to DOWN > bce1: link state changed to UP > > .... > Can this result into the significant log on SEL? Is bce1 hooked up to the BMC in hardware (i.e. you can use it for remote IPMI?) In that case it might very well result in the logs you are seeing. -- John Baldwin From won.derick at yahoo.com Mon Jan 26 08:03:40 2009 From: won.derick at yahoo.com (Won De Erick) Date: Mon Jan 26 08:03:47 2009 Subject: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made References: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <200901260951.16152.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <674375.86969.qm@web45809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> No, there's an optional Lan management port that works with RSA II (ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/systems/support/system_x_pdf/44r5189.pdf) adapter card for out-band management, and is currently not used. The two bce's are built-in w/ the board and are hooked up with a different controller. In-band mechanism is used for the baseboard management system. Is there any connection with SMM? Thanks. ----- Original Message ---- From: John Baldwin On Monday 26 January 2009 4:32:51 am Won De Erick wrote: > Is there any significant of the following? > > #dmesg > ..... > bce1: link state changed to DOWN > bce1: link state changed to UP > > .... > Can this result into the significant log on SEL? Is bce1 hooked up to the BMC in hardware (i.e. you can use it for remote IPMI?) In that case it might very well result in the logs you are seeing. -- John Baldwin From korvus at comcast.net Mon Jan 26 13:03:57 2009 From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack) Date: Mon Jan 26 13:04:03 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <497E252C.2010502@comcast.net> Steve Polyack wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There >> might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the >> controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case >> that I could >> try? >> >> Scott >> So far, I have not been able to reliably reproduce this. It pops up every now and then during our backups, which at the moment aren't that disk intensive. I'll let you know if I come across anything else. From roberth.sjonoy at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 14:52:58 2009 From: roberth.sjonoy at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberth_Sjon=F8y?=) Date: Mon Jan 26 14:53:09 2009 Subject: cmi 8788 support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like I just have to give up, and buy new motherboard, cpu and ram, to get a soundcard that is working with FreeBSD, anyone who can confirm that Realtek ALC1200 works fine with FreeBSD? On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Roberth Sjon?y wrote: > Hello, I see that FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 supports creatives X-FI > soundcards, but I'm wondering where the support for the widely used > cmi8788 chipset is? > > Regards, > > Roberth Sjon?y > From telmnstr at 757.org Mon Jan 26 15:04:33 2009 From: telmnstr at 757.org (telmnstr@757.org) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:05:17 2009 Subject: cmi 8788 support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Looks like I just have to give up, and buy new motherboard, cpu and > ram, to get a soundcard that is working with FreeBSD, anyone who can > confirm that Realtek ALC1200 works fine with FreeBSD? What about... I dunno, SHOVING IN A SOUND CARD? What's wrong with picking up any Sound Blaster Live PCI card, and cramming it in? If that doesn't work, find the USB based MP3+ ... a beautiful little silver and black gadget with optical in and out, mic in and out, line in and out (RCAs)... that I've seen work with FreeBSD, NetBSD, Debian, CentOS, Windows and if I recall, OS X. ~$10 on FeeBay. From korvus at comcast.net Tue Jan 27 14:36:48 2009 From: korvus at comcast.net (Steve Polyack) Date: Tue Jan 27 14:38:43 2009 Subject: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> Message-ID: <497E252C.2010502@comcast.net> Steve Polyack wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There >> might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the >> controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case >> that I could >> try? >> >> Scott >> So far, I have not been able to reliably reproduce this. It pops up every now and then during our backups, which at the moment aren't that disk intensive. I'll let you know if I come across anything else. _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru Tue Jan 27 14:50:55 2009 From: amdmi3 at amdmi3.ru (Dmitry Marakasov) Date: Tue Jan 27 14:51:02 2009 Subject: ASUS mobo for desktop In-Reply-To: <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> Message-ID: <20090126145555.GC6054@hades.panopticon> * Dmitry Marakasov (amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) wrote: > > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > > of some freezes with 4GB)? > > I've bought Asus P5Q. For now I've just tested it with my bootable > flash (-CURRENT from around September) - onboard Ethernet (Atheros) > and PATA controller (Marvell) didn't work. However, after updating > kernel to recent CURRENT Ethernet worked and PATA hard drive was > detected). Now I'll check whether I really need CURRENT there (or > 7.1 would suffice), move my desktop to that box, test it for a while > and report some more info. As promised, some more info. - 7.1 is not enough, so I'm using current. - With current, everything works so far. Didn't use it for much serious work yet, but played Quake4 in wine for ~6 hrs :) - There was problem with ale(4) (see thread 'NFS data corruption' on freebsd-current@) - fixed with turning rxcsum and rxcsum off on the interface. - Also nvidia-driver refused to work hanging the system when 4GB RAM were installed in the box. Had to leave only 2GB Unrelated to hardware and current, I've used gjournal for a first time in this install, and found that the system is really unresponsive when writing large files. In general, I'd say I'm satisfied. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From migieger at bawue.de Tue Jan 27 17:09:45 2009 From: migieger at bawue.de (M. Giegerich) Date: Tue Jan 27 17:09:52 2009 Subject: Matrox G550 PCIe Acceleration? Message-ID: <20090128010254.GA1241@luva.home> Did anybody manage to use acceleration on this PCI Express x1 video card? If so, how? Loading mga.ko and drm.ko gives: drm0: mem 0xfa000000-0xfbffffff,0xfc400000-0xfc403fff,0xfc800000-0xfcffffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci15 error: [drm:pid0:drm_load] *ERROR* Card isn't AGP, or couldn't initialize AGP. device_attach: drm0 attach returned 12 As the card isn't AGP the error message seems appropriate. Does this mean no accel for me? -- M. Giegerich, mail: migieger@web.de, phone: +49.(0)7144.817298 From avg at icyb.net.ua Wed Jan 28 04:42:34 2009 From: avg at icyb.net.ua (Andriy Gapon) Date: Wed Jan 28 04:42:40 2009 Subject: problem with "cold" hardware? [Was: panic in callout_reset: bad link in callwheel] In-Reply-To: <497AF4C7.3080309@icyb.net.ua> References: <497AF4C7.3080309@icyb.net.ua> Message-ID: <49804F0C.3000400@icyb.net.ua> on 24/01/2009 13:00 Andriy Gapon said the following: [snip] > Additional info: > I recently added some new memory to this system. > The memory survived several passes of memtest86 before booting to > FreeBSD. It also survived one pass after the incident. > Still I wouldn't exclude a possibility of it being bad. I think that I established that the crash was because of hardware issue. I had another panic at a different place but with the similar diagnostics - bad pointer passed to a call. Fortunately, the second time the pointer was to a well-known long-lived object. So I was able to compare the bad pointer to an actual address. It turned out that a single bit was flipped. Then I realized that in both cases I saw panics after "very cold" boots, i.e. the system was powered down for more than 1 hour before the boot. So I performed memtest86 run again, this time also after a long power-off. And it reported lots of errors. I restarted memtest86 10 minutes later and then it could not find any errors in any tests. Previously I heard about problems with hardware running hot, but not with it being "cold". I put the word in quotes, because the system is in a room with normal room temperature. Any guesses what hardware part might be acting up like this? -- Andriy Gapon From roberth.sjonoy at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 10:51:02 2009 From: roberth.sjonoy at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberth_Sjon=F8y?=) Date: Wed Jan 28 10:51:08 2009 Subject: cmi 8788 support? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like I found my answer here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-January/190069.html On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Roberth Sjon?y wrote: > Looks like I just have to give up, and buy new motherboard, cpu and > ram, to get a soundcard that is working with FreeBSD, anyone who can > confirm that Realtek ALC1200 works fine with FreeBSD? > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Roberth Sjon?y > wrote: >> Hello, I see that FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 supports creatives X-FI >> soundcards, but I'm wondering where the support for the widely used >> cmi8788 chipset is? >> >> Regards, >> >> Roberth Sjon?y >> > From lawrence.auster at att.net Thu Jan 29 14:15:08 2009 From: lawrence.auster at att.net (Lawrence Auster) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:15:20 2009 Subject: The =?iso-8859-1?q?=93Military=2C?= Industrial =?iso-8859-1?q?Complex=94?= is no more -- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites Message-ID: <20090129220440.LVNT2948.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> The “Military, Industrial Complex” is no more. Today it is the Political, Financial and Media — Zionist Complex! 1/28/2009 An short essay by Dr. David Duke The “Military-Industrial complex” really has no relevance to the real holders of global power today. America is the most powerful military and economic nation on earth. The powers that control the levers of political power in America possess the greatest power the world has ever seen. Who really has power over the government today? Is it the fabled “Military, Industrial Complex”? An effective gauge of direct political power in America is “to discover who provided the pivotal amounts of the billion-dollar recent campaigns for U.S. President. You can look directly at campaign contributions for every candidate from the Federal Election Commission in order to find out who holds the real power in politics. So, who holds the real power over the American political establishment? Let’s first look at who does not hold much power over the establishment. 1) It is not the military. There is not any organized military monetary influence or even significant political influence of the military over the politicians. In fact, no one in military positions of authority are allowed to openly get involved in politics. No active sergeant, lieutenant, or General can send out a directive to the men under him to support or oppose a particular candidate (the one exception I know to that was when the Louisiana commanding general of the National Guard, under Jewish influence, sent a letter to all national guardsmen telling them that it was their “patriotic duty” to vote against David Duke and for the Liberal corrupt former Governor, Edwin Edwards. Even that caused a scandal in military circles, as it should have. 2) It is NOT major manufacturing or even the huge oil companies. There was not one oil company and only a couple of legitimate manufacturing or industrial concerns on Obama and McCain’s top twenty contributor list. The list was completely dominated by Zionist international banking firms. If one combines every defense contractor’s contributions the money they give in politics is minuscule compared to Zionist international banks. They don’t even come close to the power in lobbying that AIPAC and a couple of dozen more Jewish extremist organizations have. Jewish lobbyists literally get almost unanimous support in Congress for outrageous giveaways to Israel, a nation that has committed terrorism against us and killed or maimed scores of Americans. I am not talking about contracts here, I am speaking about giving away billions of dollars to a foreign nation. So, so much for the media-popularized term, the military-industrial complex In direct political money and lobbying then, Zionists are the undisputed masters of the American political establishment. In addition to their control through the use of money as an inducement or a threat, they have tens of thousands of Jewish extremists scattered throughout the entire bureaucracy who are very conscious of supporting their brethren and supporting the organized Jewish agenda. They also are ready to act against any Gentile who dares to go against Israel or the Jewish agenda. How will a Jewish federal judge rule in a huge litigation issue between Jewish and non-Jewish parties? Why was the biggest robber in the history of the world, Bernie Madoff who stole over 50 billion dollars and who ruined tens of thousands of families, only charged with one criminal count, and allowed to stay in his luxury apartment to await trial? Is there an organized Jewish agenda? Absolutely. In fact, the leading and most powerful Jewish groups have a supra-organization called the Council of Presidents (composed of the most powerful 5 dozen Jewish organizations in America). They issue detailed positions not just on Mideast policy but on many other issues that have nothing to do with Israel, aspects of domestic policy including issues such as opening America’s borders. They even assume positions on issues that you wouldn’t even think would have unanimity among Jews, such as abortion rights. Their job is to make sure that Jewish power is absolutely united on what they decide are their common agendas. Next, we must talk about one of the most influential parts of the American political process, the mass media. The media, such as the NY Times and the Washington Post (the newspaper read by every member of America’s government and bureaucracy in Washington). The Washington Post can determine even what issues Congress will discuss and it greatly affects the publicity for or against those issues. Broadcast and cable television also have an enormous impact, and we can include movies, books, magazines and the newspaper chains that reach down into almost every American community. As my chapters in Jewish Supremacism on “Jewish Media Supremacy” document, the ownership, depth and breadth of Jewish influence in the media is simply breathtaking. In media, whether you speak of owners, administrators, managers, editors, producers, writers, correspondents, pundits and reporters, there is an army of Jews who are animated by the Holocaust and the issues of the organized Jewish community. If you haven’t yet read them, you simply must see the evidence on the Jewish supremacy in media I have compiled in my books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening. The other great seat of establishment power is simply money, huge sums of money and the willingness to use those funds on behalf of an agenda. The biggest concentrations of wealth in the world today are in the Zionist international banks, and in financial groups that the Jews completely control such as the Federal Reserve Corporation, the same forces that have led us to the doorstep of a great depression. It is no accident that Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom Bernanke are the last two of the Federal Reserve czars. Even in days of World War I, an immensely rich, Jewish international banker, Jacob Schiff, voiced pride in the fact that he was instrumental in weakening Czarist Russia (the government that Jews universally hated), and that he supported Russia’s enemies so as to make Russia ripe for communist overthrow (Jewish groups brag of his help to Japan in the Russo-Japanese War so as to hurt the Russian government). Schiff also gave millions of dollars to directly finance the Jews who led and organized the Russian revolution and the Bolshevik terror in Russia. There is no disputing of these facts. Plenty of Jewish history books detail all of it. So, frankly, financial power in the control of people who will use it for an agenda is also a key ingredient of real power. Again, the financial power in the hands of modern day Jacob Schiff’s, is an incredibly powerful weapon. So forget about the “Military-Industrial Complex.” That is passe. In today’s world it makes more sense to speak about the “Political, Financial and Media Zionist complex.” That is the real core of power that bends everything whether it be local laws, or giant corporations, to its will. Even if one of the world’s richest firms, such as Microsoft (which is now by the way run by a Jewish extremist), would buck the political, financial, and media Zionist complex, it would be broken by government fiat, the Jewish-influenced courts (such as anti-trust actions), and by vicious attacks by the Jewish-influenced media. Microsoft would either be dismembered or destroyed. Such are the realities of the modern world. There is no longer a “military industrial complex,” but there is a Political and media and financial Zionist complex that rules us and aims to control the whole world. No single part of this behemoth can be defeated, because it can use its other assets to defend the section under attack. It can only be brought down by concentrating all our political and ideological fire right on the core the problem, International Zionism and its driving impetus: Jewish Supremacism. —Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/forget-the-military-industrial-complex-today-its-the-political-financial-and-media-zionist-complex_7394.html ---- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites 1/29/2009 The main argument for affirmative action is that institutions should reflect racial percentages of population, if not there must be de facto racial discrimination. Here is the breakdown of students by race at America’s premier university, Obama’s alma mater, Harvard. Even though non-Jewish White Americans are almost 70 percent of the population and on average score much higher on entrance exams, they are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. So what race is really the victim of racial discrimination? For those who are truly dedicated to stopping racial discrimination, what are you going to do about this massive discrimination, or does it not matter to you because White people happen to be the victims? The hidden, massive racial discrimination that goes on in America against White people! A U.S. Government study offers proof that European Americans face massive institutional racial discrimination that affects millions of the most talented and educated of our people Introduction by Dr. David Duke – As most of you know, the term “white supremacist” has become literally a prefix of my name when I am in the news. It is the media’s way to condition readers not to pay attention to what I say because I am a “white supremacist.” The truth is I am not a White supremacist, and I seek no supremacy or control over any people, but I do demand that the rights of people of European descent to be respected as much as any other people’s rights. The fact is that in the United States of America, Canada, the UK in many areas of Europe Whites face a powerful state-sanctioned, and often mandated, racial discrimination against White people who are better-qualified than their non-White counterparts. It may be surprising to some reading this, but millions of discriminated against Whites are often poorer and who face more difficult social situations than many of their non-White counterparts who are being given preference over them. It also affects the most talented of our people. Many Whites are under the mistaken impression that the White victims of racial discrimination are mostly from the low income and low IQ sectors of the population. Nothing could be further from the truth. In actuality, the percentages of Whites who are victims of racial discrimination are much higher in the sectors of the White population with the highest intelligence and greatest abilities. The facts are shocking, but true. Most people know that most universities have programs of admittance that give less-qualified minorities preference over better-qualified Whites. Almost all of the Fortune 500 largest corporations have affirmative action and diversity programs that discriminate against White people, both male and female, in hiring. They also have programs of discrimination that favor non-Whites in promotions and advancement. This is true in the academic area as well. You can look at almost any academic department of any American university and you will see in place a strong racial bias for “minorities” in preface over Whites in hiring and advancement. Whether you are talking about a university History, English or Math department in almost any university these policies are in place and powerful. These racial discriminatory policies are real, and they can be easily proven to exist. But, now we thanks to a government study, there is even a more powerful way to show their real impact on tens of mi llions of White Americans. The brilliant economist and author whose pen name is Yggdrasil has compiled the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY) 1979, which was a massive study conducted by the Department of Labor to track the lives of 155,000 Americans by race, IQ, income, education and other factors to see how remedial efforts for minorities were doing. It was done after the installation of so called “affirmative action” programs which gave preference to non-White groups over whites. The NLSY study is meant to follow this huge sampling for their entire lives to see how diversity is working out for America. The data is from this ongoing study is tangible proof of the horrendous level of racial discrimination going on against White people. I will link you to Yggdrasil’s fine paper in a moment, but let me first give you a couple of snippets from his work that proves the existence of massive racial discrimination going on against our people. Here is a chart showing the ethnic breakdown of the most prestigious university in the United States of America: Harvard. America’s premier university is extremely expensive (unless you receive special grants and scholarships) and a degree from it just about guarantees its graduates the best paid and prestigious jobs America has to offer. Affirmative action advocates have long said the companies or institutions that don’t reflect the actual racial population percentages are de facto racist and discriminatory. So what is the situation at Harvard, non-Jewish Whites who are about 70 pecent of the American population are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. One should first consider the fact that Whites are represented in the top two percentile level on college admission tests on an average that is a 5 times higher rate than non-White groups. If one then factors in the fact that Whites are also 70 percent of the population, there should be at least 25 times more Whites who would be better qualified than the non-White students currently at Harvard. But even though these Whites are the best and brightest America has to offer they are limited to only 20 percent of Harvard students! Such is nothing more than blatant, racial discrimination. Another interesting fact one can gleam from this chart and many in the NLSY studies that Jewish over-representation is not based simply on the fact that Jews have a high intelligence, they often do twice as well as their intelligence bracket would indicate. Such would suggest the intra-tribal support system for group cohesion and advancements aids their success rate. The NLSY data also shows how incomes today in the USA correlate with race and intelligence. Let’s take a look NLSY tracking studies of intelligent White women, these are White women in the 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket as compared to Black women in that same high 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket. The average Black females of that IQ level earned an average of approximately $54,000 per year through 1996, whereas White females on the same IQ level earned only half of that amount, about $28,000 per year through 1996. When White women in the same intelligent bracket of Black women earn half of the average amount that the Black women do, that’s real racial discrimination. I am not referring here to a few White women who are at least equally qualified but getting half the salary that Black women do, I am talking about the average White women in America! The NLSY is a big enough sample that reflects the whole nation. In fact it is meant to. The average White woman of high intelligence earns one-half of what Black women do of the same intelligence! I obviously don’t like this racial discrimination against our people. Neither does the economist Yggdrasil. We advocate that the best person regardless of race gets whatever college admission or job or promotion their abilities dictate. We have no fear of how well our people will do on a fair playing field. Because we stand for true civil rights, human rights in the matter, we are called racists, and the real capper: “white supremacists.” There are many people in America and around the world who are ignorant of the facts of anti-White racial discrimination. The media acts like it doesn’t exist. Even after the election of an affirmative action African-American President, America is still painted as an anti-Black racist country. The truth is that European Americans are facing racial discrimination in the very institutions and nation that our forefathers created. Our movement is truly a liberation movement like any other in the world that strives for a people to free and live in society of our own values rather than oppressive society imposed upon us. We are not racists or supremacists trying to deny the rights of others. We are human rights activists defending our people’s rights and heritage. –Dr. David Duke Source & Charts : http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-real-racial-discrimination-that-goes-on-in-america_7407.html ----- Obama’s Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team George Mitchell is the new American envoy now in the Mideast. Who is Mitchell and who are the key players in Obama’s Mideast policy team? First, let’s examine the major players on the Obama foreign policy team. Roger Cohen writing in The New York Times on January 11, 2009 wrote some things that if he were a Gentile would have earned him some attacks as an “anti-Semite.” He pointed out the incredible top-heavy pro-Zionist content of the team which is supposed to broker a fair and just peace in the Mideast. In discussing the team he identified them with these words: They include Dennis Ross (the veteran Clinton administration Mideast peace envoy who may now extend his brief to Iran) [a long-time Jewish Zionist]; James Steinberg [Jewish Zionist] (as deputy secretary of state) ; Dan Kurtzer [Jewish Zionist] (the former U.S. ambassador to Israel); Dan Shapiro [Jewish Zionist] (a longtime aide to Obama); and Martin Indyk [Jewish Zionist] another former ambassador to Israel who is close to the incoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.) Now, I have nothing against smart, driven, liberal, Jewish (or half-Jewish) males; I’ve looked in the mirror. I know or have talked to all these guys, except Shapiro. They’re knowledgeable, broad-minded and determined. Still, on the diversity front they fall short. On the change-you-can-believe-in front, they also leave something to be desired. Cohen did not even mention that the two closest advisers to Obama, the guys that filter almost everything that Obama see and hears and makes the day to day decisions of running the oval office. They are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, two long time dedicated Jewish extremists. Emmanuel, son of an Irgun terrorist and named after another Irgun terrorist, even fought in the Israeli Army. Now we come to the new envoy to the Mideast, George Mitchell of Maine, the man who is supposed to be a broadminded and just arbitrator between Israel and the Palestinians. The Jewish-influenced has made a big point of Mitchell’s Lebanese ancestry. What the Zionist media doesn’t tell you is that he has been completely under the control of AIPAC and radical Zionists for years. As Senate Majority Leader he rammed through everything Israel wanted. He even supported the Senate resolution that gave Israel unconditional support during the Zionist massacre of thousands of Gaza civilians. In fact, originally an appointee to the Senate, Mitchell owes his entire Senate career on the massive support given him in 1982 and since by AIPAC and 27 other Jewish extremist controlled political action committees that AIPAC arranged. AIPAC’s Tom Dine summarized AIPAC’s success in Mitchell’s election by saying that “American Jews are thus able to form our own foreign policy agenda.” Of course, Dine spoke the complete and unvarnished truth. American and Israeli extremist Jews do indeed control the foreign policy of the United States. Such control has long gone on in concert with past U.S. Presidents and it goes on today with Obama. Only difference is that today there is a greater danger because many in America and around the world falsely believe that Obama represents change. With the incredible respect and adulation given to Obama, he is in a much better position to support the Zionist war agenda and ultimately do far more harm than a discredited George Bush. Hold on to your hats, America. I predict Obama will usher in war and conflagration that will make George Bush’s presidency seem mild in comparison. He has already announced a doubling of American troops in Afghanistan. Can a catastrophic war with Iran be far behind? Jewish extremists want this war and Obama is completely under their control! – Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for-mideast-peace_7380.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. 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