From whizzter at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 09:46:37 2008 From: whizzter at gmail.com (Jonas Lund) Date: Tue Jul 1 09:46:41 2008 Subject: new server motherboard with SATA II In-Reply-To: <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <486450DB.4000907@dannysplace.net> <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> > Fourth, because you'll likely have multiple disks in a ZFS zpool, you > should probably be aware of the problem that haunts some users from time > to time (re: DMA errors). > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/ATA_issues_and_troubleshooting Reading that page i recognized the DMA timeouts from my last disk crash (Running a small server for various dev work). Anyhow after this last crash that did turn out a tad expensive(pro disk recov) i decided to put up a small bit of security by using raid1. To be able to prepare myself for the inevitable problems i've setup Raid and SMART monitoring. Now your wiki says that the disks lie about SMART data (ok ata bashing is trendy but regarldess), Any info/db about what goes for various vendors in this regard? Regards Jonas Lund From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Tue Jul 1 12:48:08 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Tue Jul 1 12:48:25 2008 Subject: new server motherboard with SATA II In-Reply-To: <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> References: <486450DB.4000907@dannysplace.net> <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 11:46:35AM +0200, Jonas Lund wrote: > > Fourth, because you'll likely have multiple disks in a ZFS zpool, you > > should probably be aware of the problem that haunts some users from time > > to time (re: DMA errors). > > > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/JeremyChadwick/ATA_issues_and_troubleshooting > > Reading that page i recognized the DMA timeouts from my last disk > crash (Running a small server for various dev work). > > Anyhow after this last crash that did turn out a tad expensive(pro > disk recov) i decided to put up a small bit of security by using > raid1. To be able to prepare myself for the inevitable problems i've > setup Raid and SMART monitoring. > > Now your wiki says that the disks lie about SMART data (ok ata bashing > is trendy but regarldess), Any info/db about what goes for various > vendors in this regard? No, the Wiki does not say that disks lie. It says that it's entirely up to the vendor to implement SMART however they desire; they do not have to increment statistics if they don't want to, and some only update statistics when offline SMART tests (short/long) are performed (though those are labelled as requiring such). There isn't an easy way of explaining the below, so I'll be verbose. A SATA disk that comes straight out of the factory has a list of blocks on it which are marked "free for reallocation" -- meaning, when a bad block is encountered, assuming the disk can work around the problem, that block will be used and removed from the list. The list is not user-maintainable, and unless the disk vendor implements (and documents) a custom ATA command that allows a driver to get that list, there is no way to get any information about it. This happens transparently -- the OS is not informed, and in most cases, SMART statistics are also not updated to reflect such reallocations. After that entire list has been exhausted, *that* is when SMART stats begin to get updated. But this is entirely up to the vendor to decide. Some may choose to increment certain SMART attributes even when the "free list" has an entry removed from it. To make matter worse/more complex, the above can also apply to different models of disks from the same vendor; it all depends on whoever at the company is writing the drive firmware. It would be fairly difficult to track every vendor, disk model, and firmware version to determine who adheres to what method. In fact, firmware version isn't exactly an accurate way to determine this either. I can refer you to a thread where Western Digital was found to be reporting temperature statistics incorrectly in some models of drives (either their firmware was broken, thermistor vendor changed silently (I doubt it), or something at the fab wasn't soldering something correctly). Customers found that if you reported the problem to Western Digital, they'd recommend an RMA, and you'd get back a new drive of the same size/model which would behave properly. I had two of these drives. I sent them off for RMA. What I got back were two brand new drives, same model, same revision, same size, same country of origin, and same firmware version string -- but the temperature problem was completely gone. I'm of the opinion the firmware had a bug, but whoever fixed it did not bother to increment the version number. Secondly, I am in no way shape or form "ATA bashing". SCSI has a better overall protocol (design and transport), but it's (unjustifiably) more expensive, and remains such even after all these years. I actually *like* SATA, and SAS as well. The point of my Wiki page is to document known issues with FreeBSD's ATA layer, and provide some detail for administrators who aren't sure if it's FreeBSD or their disk which is on the fritz. In my experience, experiences, with regards to the DMA errors, usually the disk is fine. In the case the disk isn't, SMART has been a good way to determine if something happened, but it's not a guaranteed solution. Footnote: I hope technical someone can expand on what the IDNF bit does in read/write 48-bit ATA requests, however -- the ATA-7 specification seems to imply it only gets set when an invalid LBA is submit to the disk, which would imply a FreeBSD problem, and may explain everything. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From rb at gid.co.uk Tue Jul 1 13:54:12 2008 From: rb at gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Date: Tue Jul 1 13:54:15 2008 Subject: new server motherboard with SATA II In-Reply-To: <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <486450DB.4000907@dannysplace.net> <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <2864D3E5-A68E-4486-8ED6-89AB195D5314@gid.co.uk> Hi, On 1 Jul 2008, at 13:48, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Footnote: I hope technical someone can expand on what the IDNF bit > does > in read/write 48-bit ATA requests, however -- the ATA-7 specification > seems to imply it only gets set when an invalid LBA is submit to the > disk, which would imply a FreeBSD problem, and may explain everything. It can also get set when the drive electronics is out to lunch and thinks a valid LBA is invalid FSR. I've just had a drive doing that. -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 940 1243 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 940 1295 From whizzter at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 19:55:18 2008 From: whizzter at gmail.com (Jonas Lund) Date: Tue Jul 1 19:55:21 2008 Subject: new server motherboard with SATA II In-Reply-To: <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <486450DB.4000907@dannysplace.net> <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Message-ID: <436c7eda0807011255n4d940ca5s9ee1eefae49b4dd5@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the great overview/info. I guess i can hope that my disk will tell me something. Otherwise i really hope that my raid1-setup will save me (and a future me that got his ass off the couch fixing proper offsite backups). > Secondly, I am in no way shape or form "ATA bashing". SCSI has a better > overall protocol (design and transport), but it's (unjustifiably) more > expensive, and remains such even after all these years. I actually > *like* SATA, and SAS as well. The part about bashing was not directed at you, just a general note to get those extra mails out of the way. Sorry if it came out wrong. I totally agree about the price being insane. Some people swear by SCSI usually having better quality parts, no idea on how much that corresponds to the truth tho. / Jonas Lund From goaengel at gmx.net Tue Jul 1 21:37:58 2008 From: goaengel at gmx.net (Tino Engel) Date: Tue Jul 1 21:38:02 2008 Subject: USB Quirk attempts in scsi_da.c failing Message-ID: <20080701231553.56092a51@gmx.net> Dear freebsd people, I am trying to get a new usb mass storage device working. But every attmpt fails as follows: root:/usr/src# dmesg | tail -6 umass0: on uhub2 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: 3855MB (7895552 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 491C) (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0x4, scsi status == 0x0 The problem is: elgrande:/home/elgrande/vidz# ls -d /dev/da* /dev/da0 /dev/da0s1 is not there, and so i cannot mount the drive, of course... I tried to add the device to scsi_da.c quirk list, and rbuilt the kernel. (not world cause /usb/da/atapicam is in my kernel, but i am trying this currently, to be sure). root:/usr/src# diff sys/cam/scsi/scsi_da.c sys/cam/scsi/scsi_da.c.orig 516,522d515 < * SAMSUNG YP-U3 < */ < {T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "SAMSUNG", "*", "*"}, < /*quirks*/ DA_Q_NO_SYNC_CACHE < }, < { < /* Remark: I also tried {T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "SAMSUNG", "YP-U3", "*"} but it made no difference. root:/usr/src# usbdevs -v | grep "port 5 addr 2" port 5 addr 2: high speed, power 500 mA, config 1, YP-U3(0x507c), Samsung Electronics(0x04e8), rev 2.20 But rebuilding and installing kernel did not work. As additional info I can give: root:/usr/src# usbdevs -v | grep "port 5 addr 2" port 5 addr 2: high speed, power 500 mA, config 1, YP-U3(0x507c), Samsung Electronics(0x04e8), rev 2.20 The device is working on several windows pc's at work, as a normal external disk drive. I would be very happy to receive help, what i can do, to get it working... (I do not have the money for another new player ;)) I really think, that I am doing something wrond with the usb quirk, because I still get the "synchronize chache failed" errors, and synchronizing is what i tried to disable... Best regards, Tino From ivoras at freebsd.org Wed Jul 2 00:05:31 2008 From: ivoras at freebsd.org (Ivan Voras) Date: Wed Jul 2 00:05:35 2008 Subject: FreeBSD and IBM Blades In-Reply-To: <928b5da90806301338g748ec7e6y1ef0531b43fbf164@mail.gmail.com> References: <928b5da90806301338g748ec7e6y1ef0531b43fbf164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Felipe Neuwald wrote: > Hi All, > > Does anybody running FreeBSD on IBM Blades? If yes (or no), can tell > me about your experience? I have one, on LS21 (2x2 Opteron). Works very fine on 6.3-R in 32-bit mode (PAE+SMP), after I disabled umass (USB storage). When I first set it up (long time ago, early in development of 7.x), 7-CURRENT wouldn't boot and I had trouble with 64-bit mode on both 6.x and 7.x. It's probably better now. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 250 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/attachments/20080702/36ddfae5/signature.pgp From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Wed Jul 2 00:22:57 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Wed Jul 2 00:23:01 2008 Subject: new server motherboard with SATA II In-Reply-To: <436c7eda0807011255n4d940ca5s9ee1eefae49b4dd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <486450DB.4000907@dannysplace.net> <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807011255n4d940ca5s9ee1eefae49b4dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080702002257.GA17066@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 09:55:16PM +0200, Jonas Lund wrote: > Thanks for the great overview/info. I guess i can hope that my disk > will tell me something. Otherwise i really hope that my raid1-setup > will save me (and a future me that got his ass off the couch fixing > proper offsite backups). Don't even get me started on backups. The problem is that hard disk sizes and overall applications are growing at a totally insane rate. Tape, DAT, AIT, etc. drives are 1) too expensive, and 2) do not offer enough storage capacity (compared to hard disks). DVD is in no way a feasible backup method either, unless you have very little data. This forces people to end up relying on hard disks as their form of backing up data, which is still risky business (if you ask me). Someone really needs to come out with an affordable (US$300 tops) backup medium that uses SATA, eSATA, or USB2.0, works with *IX operating systems, provides 250-500GB of capacity, and is virtually "limitless" when it comes to capacity expansion. That's what consumers will go for. > > Secondly, I am in no way shape or form "ATA bashing". SCSI has a better > > overall protocol (design and transport), but it's (unjustifiably) more > > expensive, and remains such even after all these years. I actually > > *like* SATA, and SAS as well. > > The part about bashing was not directed at you, just a general note to > get those extra mails out of the way. Sorry if it came out wrong. I understand. I also know the type of people you're referring to, so don't feel like you're alone. > I totally agree about the price being insane. Some people swear by > SCSI usually having better quality parts, no idea on how much that > corresponds to the truth tho. I believe Scott Long commented last year sometime about how in this day and age, disk-wise, SCSI and SATA are about the same. "Back in the day", SCSI disks consisting of better quality parts proves true. But now, I don't think it's done that way. SCSI does offer some better administrative features, like being able to manage the grown defect list yourself. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From goaengel at gmx.net Wed Jul 2 05:31:55 2008 From: goaengel at gmx.net (Tino Engel) Date: Wed Jul 2 05:31:59 2008 Subject: USB Quirk attempts in scsi_da.c failing In-Reply-To: <20080701231553.56092a51@gmx.net> References: <20080701231553.56092a51@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20080702073630.48b84df9@gmx.net> Hi, Okay the problem is solvable, and as I have supposed, I did something wrong doing the quirk. I commented out all synchronize chache stuff in scsi_da.c and voila, I can mount my device. (it just has only /dev/da0) So I will engineer the correct format of the quirk and post a patch then. Regards, Tino On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 23:15:53 +0200 Tino Engel wrote: > Dear freebsd people, > > I am trying to get a new usb mass storage device working. > > But every attmpt fails as follows: > > root:/usr/src# dmesg | tail -6 > umass0: > on uhub2 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > da0: 3855MB (7895552 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 491C) > (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0x4, scsi > status == 0x0 > > > The problem is: > elgrande:/home/elgrande/vidz# ls -d /dev/da* > /dev/da0 > > /dev/da0s1 is not there, and so i cannot mount the drive, of course... > > > I tried to add the device to scsi_da.c quirk list, and rbuilt the > kernel. (not world cause /usb/da/atapicam is in my kernel, but i am > trying this currently, to be sure). > > root:/usr/src# diff sys/cam/scsi/scsi_da.c sys/cam/scsi/scsi_da.c.orig > 516,522d515 > < * SAMSUNG YP-U3 > < */ > < {T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "SAMSUNG", "*", "*"}, > < /*quirks*/ DA_Q_NO_SYNC_CACHE > < }, > < { > < /* > > Remark: I also tried > {T_DIRECT, SIP_MEDIA_FIXED, "SAMSUNG", "YP-U3", "*"} > but it made no difference. > > root:/usr/src# usbdevs -v | grep "port 5 addr 2" > port 5 addr 2: high speed, power 500 mA, config 1, YP-U3(0x507c), > Samsung Electronics(0x04e8), rev 2.20 But rebuilding and installing > kernel did not work. > > > > As additional info I can give: > > > root:/usr/src# usbdevs -v | grep "port 5 addr 2" > port 5 addr 2: high speed, power 500 mA, config 1, YP-U3(0x507c), > Samsung Electronics(0x04e8), rev 2.20 > > > > The device is working on several windows pc's at work, as a normal > external disk drive. > > > I would be very happy to receive help, what i can do, to get it > working... (I do not have the money for another new player ;)) > > I really think, that I am doing something wrond with the usb quirk, > because I still get the "synchronize chache failed" errors, and > synchronizing is what i tried to disable... > > Best regards, > Tino > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From fmatthew5876 at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 07:41:37 2008 From: fmatthew5876 at gmail.com (Matt Fioravante) Date: Wed Jul 2 07:41:45 2008 Subject: Wireless Router Message-ID: <3eca10930807020013o452ef0b2r842ede726216c21f@mail.gmail.com> I was looking into some of those embedded boards. I'd like to eventually build a router with freebsd. Can anyone give hardware recommendations for things that work well with freebsd? I am looking for a small board that would not use up very much power. I want to also make it a wireless access point, are there any wireless N solutions that work well with bsd? Thank you all for your time. From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Wed Jul 2 08:19:54 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Wed Jul 2 08:19:56 2008 Subject: Wireless Router In-Reply-To: <3eca10930807020013o452ef0b2r842ede726216c21f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3eca10930807020013o452ef0b2r842ede726216c21f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080702081953.GA47790@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:13:32AM -0400, Matt Fioravante wrote: > I was looking into some of those embedded boards. I'd like to eventually > build a router with freebsd. > > Can anyone give hardware recommendations for things that work well with > freebsd? I am looking for a small board that would not use up very much > power. I want to also make it a wireless access point, are there any > wireless N solutions that work well with bsd? Please see this thread on freebsd-hackers: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2008-June/024975.html -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From felipebgn at gmail.com Wed Jul 2 17:01:08 2008 From: felipebgn at gmail.com (Felipe Neuwald) Date: Wed Jul 2 17:01:11 2008 Subject: FreeBSD and IBM Blades In-Reply-To: References: <928b5da90806301338g748ec7e6y1ef0531b43fbf164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <928b5da90807021001i36bf7225o74a3f14a3dd25c97@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ivan, Thanks, it's good information for me. Are you running FreeBSD on other IBM machines? Felipe. 2008/7/1 Ivan Voras : > Felipe Neuwald wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Does anybody running FreeBSD on IBM Blades? If yes (or no), can tell >> me about your experience? > > I have one, on LS21 (2x2 Opteron). Works very fine on 6.3-R in 32-bit mode > (PAE+SMP), after I disabled umass (USB storage). When I first set it up > (long time ago, early in development of 7.x), 7-CURRENT wouldn't boot and I > had trouble with 64-bit mode on both 6.x and 7.x. It's probably better now. > > The blade is connected to a FibreChannel disk array with a QLogic controller > (ISP 2422), which also works without problems (you can even use > active-passive multipath on 7.x). > > From ivoras at freebsd.org Wed Jul 2 20:06:31 2008 From: ivoras at freebsd.org (Ivan Voras) Date: Wed Jul 2 20:06:35 2008 Subject: FreeBSD and IBM Blades In-Reply-To: <928b5da90807021001i36bf7225o74a3f14a3dd25c97@mail.gmail.com> References: <928b5da90806301338g748ec7e6y1ef0531b43fbf164@mail.gmail.com> <928b5da90807021001i36bf7225o74a3f14a3dd25c97@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9bbcef730807021241y2ae200e3hd36046eb16a6b86b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/7/2 Felipe Neuwald : > Hi Ivan, > > Thanks, it's good information for me. Are you running FreeBSD on other > IBM machines? Not on blades; I run it on x3650 rack mountables, without any trouble or special settings. From bseklecki at collaborativefusion.com Thu Jul 3 00:14:30 2008 From: bseklecki at collaborativefusion.com (Brian A. Seklecki (Mobile)) Date: Thu Jul 3 00:14:33 2008 Subject: FreeBSD and DELL PowerEdge Blade servers. In-Reply-To: <485A6486.1030305@gmail.com> References: <485A6486.1030305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1215044151.9810.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 09:52 -0400, Sten Daniel Soersdal wrote: > I am considering a DELL PowerEdge Blade server for a project. > The ones i have available (online webstore) are M600, M605, 1955 and http://www.nycbug.org/?NAV=dmesgd;SQLIMIT=20 > M1000e. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, about running > FreeBSD on these or similar (older?) systems? > > Will FreeBSD (really) support either one of the FiberChannel cards? > Qlogic QME2472 4Gbps FC4 HBA Card PCIe > Emulex LPE1105-M4 FC4 HBA Card PCIe > IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient (or the individual responsible for the delivery of this message to an intended recipient), please be advised that any re-use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. From bseklecki at collaborativefusion.com Thu Jul 3 01:06:34 2008 From: bseklecki at collaborativefusion.com (Brian A. Seklecki (Mobile)) Date: Thu Jul 3 01:06:38 2008 Subject: PERC5 (LSI MegaSAS) Patrol Read crashes In-Reply-To: <486909B1.3020309@samsco.org> References: <20071114122210.42E8613C4BB@mx1.freebsd.org> <1195160114.4042.154.camel@new-host> <1214840198.18670.43.camel@soundwave.ws.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com> <486909B1.3020309@samsco.org> Message-ID: <1215047261.9810.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> > >> Its a software bug (driver). It can probably be easily fixed. I > >> think there's a PR on it somewhere (will check). > > The problem is a firmware bug in the Megaraid SAS controller. It seems > that while the controller can handle 512 or more concurrent commands, That's great news. We will try that patch in our local source tree. One thing to note, though, is that both or R1 and R2/3 systems have the same controller with the same firmware version, but we never saw the problem in the R2/3. Indeed the Dell product number revision is different (from ipmitool fru) for the parts. Although the firmware updates are the same for R1 and R2/3, maybe the updater probes the underlying hardware revision and applies different code? Or perhaps it is something to do with the performance or kernel behavior of the older Hyperthreading Xeon's (and motherboard) in the the R1 that just causes it to occur more-often. ~BAS > it can only handle 128 concurrent commands to each array. Patrols > reads aren't the primary cause, they just help the problem appear; when > a patrol read cycle runs, it tends to slow down i/o enough that commands > to the array get backed up, and you tend to reach the 128 limit. > > I don't know if there is a firmware fix from Dell/LSI, or if there will > ever be a fix. FreeBSD drivers tend to stress hardware a lot more > than Linux and Windows do, and since the latter two are used as the > QA yardstick, anything that doesn't affect them doesn't usually get > fixed. An easy work-around for the driver is to change the following > line in /sys/dev/mfi/mfi.c::mfi_alloc_commands() > > ncmds = sc->mfi_max_fw_cmds; > > to > > ncmds = 128; > > A more complete solution requires me writing an i/o scheduler in the > driver, something that would take quite a bit of effort. > > With all this said, I still stand behind LSI controllers. This bug, > while unfortunate, is relatively minor and easy to work around, and > it's the only significant bug that has turned up in over two and half > years with this hardware. > > Scott > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" IMPORTANT: This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient (or the individual responsible for the delivery of this message to an intended recipient), please be advised that any re-use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. From soralx at cydem.org Fri Jul 4 03:49:38 2008 From: soralx at cydem.org (soralx@cydem.org) Date: Fri Jul 4 03:49:45 2008 Subject: new server motherboard with SATA II In-Reply-To: <436c7eda0807011255n4d940ca5s9ee1eefae49b4dd5@mail.gmail.com> References: <486450DB.4000907@dannysplace.net> <20080627040545.GA21856@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807010246u4c22b32bic67bf06db1728583@mail.gmail.com> <20080701124806.GA68799@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <436c7eda0807011255n4d940ca5s9ee1eefae49b4dd5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080703204932.5ac9f5b7@freen0de> > I totally agree about the price being insane. Some people swear by > SCSI usually having better quality parts, no idea on how much that > corresponds to the truth tho. I believe that all it comes down to, is quality assurance for SCSI (hence the price difference). How many DOA or failed SCSI disks have you seen in your life? Then how about ATA (especially in the last couple years)? I've had only 2 failed SCSI disks. One was an insanely old IBM model DCHS, which could have lived hadn't I messed with it: pulled it out from the server to make a backup(!), hooked it up to another controller, and the interface ASIC blew up in smoke; fortunately, I was able to get another one of those, and by swapping the PCB I was saved. The other one is ModusLnk 137Gb U320, which are refurbished Fujitsu MAU units, which were designed as ATA-class disks with SCSI interface anyway. It developed bad sectors (found out by SMART), and I'm still using it. > / Jonas Lund [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2 From rhomel.chinsio at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 21:30:06 2008 From: rhomel.chinsio at gmail.com (Rhomel Chinsio) Date: Sat Jul 5 21:30:14 2008 Subject: AMD 780G chipset supported? Message-ID: Has anyone out there successfully gotten any of the AMD 780G based motherboards to work flawlessly with FreeBSD 7.0? I'm considering upgrading my motherboard so I'd have access to PCI Express cards instead of just PCI cards. From mandrews at bit0.com Mon Jul 7 23:42:45 2008 From: mandrews at bit0.com (Mike Andrews) Date: Mon Jul 7 23:42:52 2008 Subject: Debugging 3Ware 9000 series hangs under load Message-ID: <20080707190237.K70038@beast.int.bit0.com> I've occasionally had problems with 3Ware 9550SX, 9650SE, and now 9690SA cards hanging under load. By "hanging" I mean "swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer" messages on the console, machine still pingable, etc -- basically a livelock situation. "Heavy load" usually involves a busy MySQL instance combined with, say, copying some multi-gigabyte files, maybe also combined with rsync, all running concurrently. The problem is the hangs are extremely sporadic and not easily reproducible on demand. It seems to happen with both ZFS and UFS2; I've been sticking to UFS2 for this for now due to some weird ZFS+MySQL issues (which are annoying but not relevant to this particular problem)... On a FreeBSD/amd64 7-STABLE system built from less-than-one-week-old source, with serial console and the kernel debugger compiled in, but being a complete idiot on how to use KDB, can someone tell me what would be the most useful info I could gather from KDB the next time this happens? Given the state of the controller at that point, I doubt forcing a crash dump from KDB is going to work unless I was able to do it to a disk on another controller... so I will work on getting that set up in the meantime. I suspect this is either a twa driver or kernel issue rather than hardware, as it's happened with multiple cards, cables, etc, but again, hard to tell if I don't know what to ask KDB for. :) On the off chance that it is driver related and takes a while to fix, anyone have recommendations for good 8-port SAS controllers for FreeBSD 7-STABLE amd64 that can take a heavy beating and play nice with Intel 3000 chipset-based boards? I'm eyeing the LSI Megaraid 8888ELP as a possible alternative... but don't have a great deal of LSI experience. The 3ware SAS setup I'm beating on now is replacing an old Adaptec 2120S SCSI setup. From aradford at gmail.com Tue Jul 8 00:41:06 2008 From: aradford at gmail.com (adam radford) Date: Tue Jul 8 00:41:12 2008 Subject: Debugging 3Ware 9000 series hangs under load In-Reply-To: <20080707190237.K70038@beast.int.bit0.com> References: <20080707190237.K70038@beast.int.bit0.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Mike Andrews wrote: > I've occasionally had problems with 3Ware 9550SX, 9650SE, and now 9690SA > cards hanging under load. By "hanging" I mean "swap_pager: indefinite wait > buffer" messages on the console, machine still pingable, etc -- basically a > livelock situation. "Heavy load" usually involves a busy MySQL instance > combined with, say, copying some multi-gigabyte files, maybe also combined > with rsync, all running concurrently. The problem is the hangs are > extremely sporadic and not easily reproducible on demand. It seems to happen > with both ZFS and UFS2; I've been sticking to UFS2 for this for now due to > some weird ZFS+MySQL issues (which are annoying but not relevant to this > particular problem)... > > On a FreeBSD/amd64 7-STABLE system built from less-than-one-week-old source, > with serial console and the kernel debugger compiled in, but being a > complete idiot on how to use KDB, can someone tell me what would be the most > useful info I could gather from KDB the next time this happens? Mike, Can you first run the 3ware command line utility (tw_cli) and post the results of: tw_cli info c0 diag -Adam From mike503 at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 05:22:41 2008 From: mike503 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Wed Jul 9 05:22:47 2008 Subject: Wanting Message-ID: I'm trying to build the quietest smallest 4 or 6 drive FreeBSD 7 server to use at home for ZFS snapshotting. From the -fs list, it sounds like my idea passes the sanity check. Next is looking for the right hardware. There is a local computer shop I'd prefer to buy things at - www.enuinc.com, if people want to browse that and help me find the best equipment for this I'd be much appreciated. Basically it just needs space for 6 disks, ideally. - Gigabit LAN (single is fine, dual isn't required) - Onboard graphics - Support at least 4GB RAM - Quiet, small, and hopefully power efficient Will be hosting ZFS RAIDZ with all 6 disks (or 5 disks, and one for boot, or something since I think ZFS boot is not stable yet), with 15 filesystems to start and doing rsyncs every so often from remote servers locally and then creating a snapshot (basically creating daily snapshots every day for each server I maintain/backup) here's the stuff i'm not that sure about: mobo - http://www.enuinc.com/mb-775-asu-218.html RAM - would it be better for 2x2GB or 4x1GB? here is the 2x2GB kit: http://www.enuinc.com/m-04g-066-sup-k2.html here is the 2x1GB kits (if the mobo changes and it has 4 slots, I'd buy two): http://www.enuinc.com/m-02g-080-kin.html this is up for debate, too, for something smaller and quieter if possible. i love shuttles, but none of them can do maybe more than 4 disks that i know of... chassis - http://www.enuinc.com/cas-antec-056.html i'm sure of these: optical - chapest dvdrom http://www.enuinc.com/o-cdrd-son-001-black.html cpu - intel core2, whatever makes the most cost effective disks - between 4-6 1TB seagates Would this be good for a 95% dedicated to rsync+ZFS server? I doubt I will use it for anything else. Every hour it would run an rsync job, then snapshot it in ZFS. That's about it. Thanks in advance... From tethys.ocean at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 11:25:46 2008 From: tethys.ocean at gmail.com (tethys ocean) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:26:04 2008 Subject: Core(TM)2 Quad and TOP output Message-ID: <235b80000807140357m351f801bw254aab35367682bb@mail.gmail.com> Hi all I have new server(webserver) quad core but performans is not well (according our old webserver pent IV ). Maybe its performans depends on our web page sourcecode. FreeBSD 6.3 stable is running on it. dmesg is in below. 1-I wonder in my TOP output can I see all CPU or not? last pid: 19887; load averages: 0.13, 0.04, 0.01 up 2+21:18:18 16:53:16 48 processes: 1 running, 47 sleeping CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.0% interrupt, 100% idle Mem: 119M Active, 352M Inact, 126M Wired, 48K Cache, 112M Buf, 1401M Free Swap: 5120M Total, 5120M Free and also another question is 2-FreeBSD 7.0 has got default multiprocessor generic kernel??? since during installations only one generic kernel shown CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.50GHz (2499.97-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10677 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x8e3fd> AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 Cores per package: 4 real memory = 2146959360 (2047 MB) avail memory = 2091646976 (1994 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Jan 16 2008 04:43:12) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 cpu0: on acpi0 cpu1: on acpi0 cpu2: on acpi0 cpu3: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci0: port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xc880-0xc89f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xcc00-0xcc1f irq 18 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbffffff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: EHCI version 1.0 usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3: on ehci0 usb3: USB revision 2.0 uhub3: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pci0: at device 27.0 (no driver attached) pcib2: irq 17 at device 28.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 17 at device 28.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 atapci0: port 0xdc00-0xdc07,0xd880-0xd883,0xd800-0xd807,0xd480-0xd483,0xd400-0xd40f mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3 atapci0: AHCI called from vendor specific driver atapci0: AHCI Version 01.00 controller with 2 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata3: on atapci0 ata4: on atapci0 pcib4: irq 16 at device 28.5 on pci0 pci2: on pcib4 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci3: port 0xc080-0xc09f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb4: on uhci3 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci4: port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb5: on uhci4 usb5: USB revision 1.0 uhub5: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci5: port 0xc480-0xc49f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb6: on uhci5 usb6: USB revision 1.0 uhub6: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci1: mem 0xfbfff800-0xfbfffbff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb7: EHCI version 1.0 usb7: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb4 usb5 usb6 usb7: on ehci1 usb7: USB revision 2.0 uhub7: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub7: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib5: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 rl0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebffcff irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci5 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:4c:f0:bf:a5 fwohci0: port 0xec00-0xec7f mem 0xfebff000-0xfebff7ff irq 16 at device 3.0 on pci5 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=1) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 00:1e:8c:00:01:25:6a:b7 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:1e:8c:25:6a:b7 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:1e:8c:25:6a:b7 fwe0: if_start running deferred for Giant sbp0: on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: BUS reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0xb000-0xb007,0xac00-0xac03,0xa880-0xa887,0xa800-0xa803,0xa480-0xa48f,0xa400-0xa40f irq 22 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata5: on atapci1 ata6: on atapci1 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atapci2: port 0xc000-0xc007,0xbc00-0xbc03,0xb880-0xb887,0xb800-0xb803,0xb480-0xb48f,0xb400-0xb40f irq 22 at device 31.5 on pci0 ata7: on atapci2 ata8: on atapci2 acpi_button0: on acpi0 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pmtimer0 on isa0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. ad10: 343399MB at ata5-master SATA300 ad12: 343399MB at ata6-master SATA300 acd0: DVDR at ata7-master SATA150 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad10s1a rl0: link state changed to UP Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `bufdaemon' to stop...done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop... Syncing disks, vnodes remaining...3 2 0 0 done All buffers synced. Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #0: Fri Jul 11 01:39:06 EEST 2008 root@likya.bimel.com.tr:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/LIKYA ACPI APIC Table: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.50GHz (2499.96-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10677 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x8e3fd> AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 Cores per package: 4 real memory = 2146959360 (2047 MB) avail memory = 2091802624 (1994 MB) ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Jul 11 2008 01:38:57) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 cpu0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci0: port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xc880-0xc89f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xcc00-0xcc1f irq 18 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbffffff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: EHCI version 1.0 usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3: on ehci0 usb3: USB revision 2.0 uhub3: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pci0: at device 27.0 (no driver attached) pcib2: irq 17 at device 28.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 17 at device 28.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 atapci0: port 0xdc00-0xdc07,0xd880-0xd883,0xd800-0xd807,0xd480-0xd483,0xd400-0xd40f mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3 atapci0: AHCI called from vendor specific driver atapci0: AHCI Version 01.00 controller with 2 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata3: on atapci0 ata4: on atapci0 pcib4: irq 16 at device 28.5 on pci0 pci2: on pcib4 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci3: port 0xc080-0xc09f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 usb4: on uhci3 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci4: port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb5: on uhci4 usb5: USB revision 1.0 uhub5: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci5: port 0xc480-0xc49f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb6: on uhci5 usb6: USB revision 1.0 uhub6: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci1: mem 0xfbfff800-0xfbfffbff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb7: EHCI version 1.0 usb7: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb4 usb5 usb6 usb7: on ehci1 usb7: USB revision 2.0 uhub7: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub7: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib5: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 rl0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebffcff irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci5 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:4c:f0:bf:a5 fwohci0: port 0xec00-0xec7f mem 0xfebff000-0xfebff7ff irq 16 at device 3.0 on pci5 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=1) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 00:1e:8c:00:01:25:6a:b7 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:1e:8c:25:6a:b7 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:1e:8c:25:6a:b7 fwe0: if_start running deferred for Giant sbp0: on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: BUS reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0xb000-0xb007,0xac00-0xac03,0xa880-0xa887,0xa800-0xa803,0xa480-0xa48f,0xa400-0xa40f irq 22 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata5: on atapci1 ata6: on atapci1 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atapci2: port 0xc000-0xc007,0xbc00-0xbc03,0xb880-0xb887,0xb800-0xb803,0xb480-0xb48f,0xb400-0xb40f irq 22 at device 31.5 on pci0 ata7: on atapci2 ata8: on atapci2 acpi_button0: on acpi0 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pmtimer0 on isa0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2499962812 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. ad10: 343399MB at ata5-master SATA300 ad12: 343399MB at ata6-master SATA300 acd0: DVDR at ata7-master SATA150 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad10s1a rl0: link state changed to UP pid 75322 (conftest), uid 0: exited on signal 12 (core dumped) pid 87391 (conftest), uid 0: exited on signal 12 (core dumped) Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `vnlru' to stop...done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `bufdaemon' to stop...done Waiting (max 60 seconds) for system process `syncer' to stop... Syncing disks, vnodes remaining...3 0 2 0 0 done All buffers synced. Uptime: 17h36m33s Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.3-STABLE #0: Fri Jul 11 01:39:06 EEST 2008 root@likya.bimel.com.tr:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/LIKYA ACPI APIC Table: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.50GHz (2499.97-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x10677 Stepping = 7 Features=0xbfebfbff Features2=0x8e3fd> AMD Features=0x20100000 AMD Features2=0x1 Cores per package: 4 real memory = 2146959360 (2047 MB) avail memory = 2091802624 (1994 MB) ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Jul 11 2008 01:38:57) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 14318180 Hz quality 900 cpu0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: irq 16 at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci0: port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 16 at device 26.0 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xc880-0xc89f irq 21 at device 26.1 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci2: port 0xcc00-0xcc1f irq 18 at device 26.2 on pci0 uhci2: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: on uhci2 usb2: USB revision 1.0 uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xfbfffc00-0xfbffffff irq 18 at device 26.7 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb3: EHCI version 1.0 usb3: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2 usb3: on ehci0 usb3: USB revision 2.0 uhub3: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pci0: at device 27.0 (no driver attached) pcib2: irq 17 at device 28.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib2 pcib3: irq 17 at device 28.4 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 atapci0: port 0xdc00-0xdc07,0xd880-0xd883,0xd800-0xd807,0xd480-0xd483,0xd400-0xd40f mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci3 atapci0: AHCI called from vendor specific driver atapci0: AHCI Version 01.00 controller with 2 ports detected ata2: on atapci0 ata3: on atapci0 ata4: on atapci0 pcib4: irq 16 at device 28.5 on pci0 pci2: on pcib4 pci2: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) uhci3: port 0xc080-0xc09f irq 23 at device 29.0 on pci0 uhci3: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb4: on uhci3 usb4: USB revision 1.0 uhub4: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub4: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci4: port 0xc400-0xc41f irq 19 at device 29.1 on pci0 uhci4: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb5: on uhci4 usb5: USB revision 1.0 uhub5: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub5: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci5: port 0xc480-0xc49f irq 18 at device 29.2 on pci0 uhci5: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb6: on uhci5 usb6: USB revision 1.0 uhub6: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub6: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ehci1: mem 0xfbfff800-0xfbfffbff irq 23 at device 29.7 on pci0 ehci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb7: EHCI version 1.0 usb7: companion controllers, 2 ports each: usb4 usb5 usb6 usb7: on ehci1 usb7: USB revision 2.0 uhub7: Intel EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub7: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered pcib5: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci5: on pcib5 rl0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xfebffc00-0xfebffcff irq 18 at device 2.0 on pci5 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:4c:f0:bf:a5 fwohci0: port 0xec00-0xec7f mem 0xfebff000-0xfebff7ff irq 16 at device 3.0 on pci5 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=1) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 00:1e:8c:00:01:25:6a:b7 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:1e:8c:25:6a:b7 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:1e:8c:25:6a:b7 fwe0: if_start running deferred for Giant sbp0: on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: BUS reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci1: port 0xb000-0xb007,0xac00-0xac03,0xa880-0xa887,0xa800-0xa803,0xa480-0xa48f,0xa400-0xa40f irq 22 at device 31.2 on pci0 ata5: on atapci1 ata6: on atapci1 pci0: at device 31.3 (no driver attached) atapci2: port 0xc000-0xc007,0xbc00-0xbc03,0xb880-0xb887,0xb800-0xb803,0xb480-0xb48f,0xb400-0xb40f irq 22 at device 31.5 on pci0 ata7: on atapci2 ata8: on atapci2 acpi_button0: on acpi0 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pmtimer0 on isa0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 ppc0: parallel port not found. sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2499966667 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. ad10: 343399MB at ata5-master SATA300 ad12: 343399MB at ata6-master SATA300 acd0: DVDR at ata7-master SATA150 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad10s1a rl0: link state changed to UP pid 835 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 743 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 741 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 1047 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 14778 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 1043 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 739 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 769 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 1042 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 894 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 14773 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 pid 1027 (httpd), uid 80: exited on signal 4 -- Share now a pigeon's flight Bluebound along the ancient skies, Its women forever hair and mammal, A Mediterranean town may arise If you rip apart a pigeon's heart. From mex at active.sk Mon Jul 14 11:56:23 2008 From: mex at active.sk (MeX) Date: Mon Jul 14 11:56:30 2008 Subject: Core(TM)2 Quad and TOP output In-Reply-To: <235b80000807140357m351f801bw254aab35367682bb@mail.gmail.com> References: <235b80000807140357m351f801bw254aab35367682bb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481e66d58a50a7247ed0a175c2e3ce25.squirrel@mail.active.sk> On Pon, J?l 14, 2008 12:57, tethys ocean wrote: > 1-I wonder in my TOP output can I see all CPU or not? Yes, you can see all 4 cores. When 4 procesees are running you will see load 4.0 4.0 4.0. > 2-FreeBSD 7.0 has got default multiprocessor generic kernel??? since > during installations only one generic kernel shown Yes, default GENERIC kernel (7.0) is SMP enabled. MeX From dean at fragfest.com.au Mon Jul 14 13:18:52 2008 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Mon Jul 14 13:18:58 2008 Subject: Core(TM)2 Quad and TOP output In-Reply-To: <481e66d58a50a7247ed0a175c2e3ce25.squirrel@mail.active.sk> References: <235b80000807140357m351f801bw254aab35367682bb@mail.gmail.com> <481e66d58a50a7247ed0a175c2e3ce25.squirrel@mail.active.sk> Message-ID: <487B4E97.60806@fragfest.com.au> you may want to look at changing the scheduling scheme and tuning apache Dean MeX wrote: > On Pon, J?l 14, 2008 12:57, tethys ocean wrote: >> 1-I wonder in my TOP output can I see all CPU or not? > > Yes, you can see all 4 cores. When 4 procesees are running you will see > load 4.0 4.0 4.0. > >> 2-FreeBSD 7.0 has got default multiprocessor generic kernel??? since >> during installations only one generic kernel shown > > Yes, default GENERIC kernel (7.0) is SMP enabled. > > MeX > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From mex at active.sk Mon Jul 14 13:19:00 2008 From: mex at active.sk (MeX) Date: Mon Jul 14 13:19:06 2008 Subject: Core(TM)2 Quad and TOP output In-Reply-To: <487B4E97.60806@fragfest.com.au> References: <235b80000807140357m351f801bw254aab35367682bb@mail.gmail.com> <481e66d58a50a7247ed0a175c2e3ce25.squirrel@mail.active.sk> <487B4E97.60806@fragfest.com.au> Message-ID: <2e41a6c77c47d9b648f76dd799cfca99.squirrel@mail.active.sk> On Pon, J?l 14, 2008 15:03, Dean Hamstead wrote: > you may want to look at changing the scheduling scheme and tuning apache > > Dean > > MeX wrote: >> On Pon, J?l 14, 2008 12:57, tethys ocean wrote: >>> 1-I wonder in my TOP output can I see all CPU or not? >> >> Yes, you can see all 4 cores. When 4 procesees are running you will see >> load 4.0 4.0 4.0. >> >>> 2-FreeBSD 7.0 has got default multiprocessor generic kernel??? since >>> during installations only one generic kernel shown >> >> Yes, default GENERIC kernel (7.0) is SMP enabled. I want to add to this that increasing/replacing hardware due to performance is the last step. First look at the application itself, next to the some "middleware" as Apache/PHP/Perl tuning and of course also to OS level. MeX From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Mon Jul 14 14:14:32 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Mon Jul 14 14:14:38 2008 Subject: Core(TM)2 Quad and TOP output In-Reply-To: <487B4E97.60806@fragfest.com.au> References: <235b80000807140357m351f801bw254aab35367682bb@mail.gmail.com> <481e66d58a50a7247ed0a175c2e3ce25.squirrel@mail.active.sk> <487B4E97.60806@fragfest.com.au> Message-ID: <20080714141431.GA49293@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:03:19PM +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote: > you may want to look at changing the scheduling scheme and tuning apache Please note that he should consider changing the scheduler to ULE on the 7.x machine only -- stick with 4BSD on the 6.x machine. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From hselasky at c2i.net Tue Jul 15 09:33:31 2008 From: hselasky at c2i.net (Hans Petter Selasky) Date: Tue Jul 15 09:33:37 2008 Subject: Thinking about buying a new computer - attack code for Intel chips Message-ID: <200807151035.05427.hselasky@c2i.net> Hi, According to the latest news on Slashdot there are now exploits going around attacking INTEL CPU bugs. Does anyone have a clue about what architectures and CPUs are safe? My computer is getting old and I might buy a new one. Any recommendations for a safe choice? --HPS From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Tue Jul 15 10:19:23 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Tue Jul 15 10:19:30 2008 Subject: Thinking about buying a new computer - attack code for Intel chips In-Reply-To: <200807151035.05427.hselasky@c2i.net> References: <200807151035.05427.hselasky@c2i.net> Message-ID: <20080715101922.GA17620@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:35:04AM +0200, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > According to the latest news on Slashdot there are now exploits going around > attacking INTEL CPU bugs. Does anyone have a clue about what architectures > and CPUs are safe? My computer is getting old and I might buy a new one. Any > recommendations for a safe choice? Is this a trolling attempt? It almost sounds like one. The Slashdot article reference in question: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2008kl/?page_id=214 There's no details provided. It may all be speculative (I strongly doubt it), but no one will know until the presentation takes place. My advice to you is buy whatever it is you wish to buy. Every computing product that is released to consumers has bugs in it -- we're humans, we make mistakes. Besides, if the presentation involves present-day Intel microprocessors, all that (should be) necessary is a microcode patch to address the concerns. It always amuses me how Intel always seems to draw scrutiny. Yes, because I'm absolutely sure AMD, VIA, and Transmeta processors are all flawless. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From developer at grinz.com Tue Jul 15 20:43:31 2008 From: developer at grinz.com (Ross Gohlke) Date: Tue Jul 15 20:43:37 2008 Subject: recommendations for multi-user X11 Message-ID: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> I'm setting up a colocated server (not yet procured) as a remote X11 environment for 10 business users with broadband Internet access. It will be their primary work computer, offering a full suite of applications. Graphics-wise, they are not playing video games or watching movies but will want to view the occasional YouTube clip. What are the graphics requirements of X11 in a low-video, multi-user environment? What do you recommend for hardware? This is for a 1U enclosure. I would like to do it as cheaply as possible. - Slot type for card upgrade - PCI-X is the most ubiquitous for 1U; would it work? - Minimum on-board RAM - Chipset - GeForce? - Video card - Motherboard - I'm looking at Tyan GX28 (2881) http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/gx28b2881_spec.html Thanks. Ross Gohlke From dean at fragfest.com.au Tue Jul 15 23:09:17 2008 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Tue Jul 15 23:09:24 2008 Subject: recommendations for multi-user X11 In-Reply-To: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> References: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> Message-ID: <487D2E47.7060202@fragfest.com.au> if the machine is running remote X sessions, the local video hardware is irrelevant what you need is RAM, fast disks and raw cpu grunt. Dean Ross Gohlke wrote: > I'm setting up a colocated server (not yet procured) as a remote X11 > environment for 10 business users with broadband Internet access. > It will be their primary work computer, offering a full suite of > applications. Graphics-wise, they are not playing video games or > watching movies but will want to view the occasional YouTube clip. > > What are the graphics requirements of X11 in a low-video, multi-user > environment? > What do you recommend for hardware? > > This is for a 1U enclosure. > I would like to do it as cheaply as possible. > - Slot type for card upgrade - PCI-X is the most ubiquitous for 1U; > would it work? > - Minimum on-board RAM > - Chipset - GeForce? > - Video card > - Motherboard - I'm looking at Tyan GX28 (2881) > http://www.tyan.com/archive/products/html/gx28b2881_spec.html > > > Thanks. > > Ross Gohlke > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- http://fragfest.com.au From justin.walker.hall at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 00:18:28 2008 From: justin.walker.hall at gmail.com (Justin Hall) Date: Wed Jul 16 00:18:35 2008 Subject: IP35-E USB problems Message-ID: Hello All, I am having troubles with getting a machine with an ABIT IP35-E (ICH9 chipset) board to boot fully. It hangs after probing uhub1. I have updated the BIOS and rebuilt from the latest STABLE sources in the CVS repository to no avail. The only way I can get it to boot is by disabling my onboard USB controller, which is obviously not a good solution. Any help is appreciated, Justin Hall From hselasky at c2i.net Wed Jul 16 08:08:52 2008 From: hselasky at c2i.net (Hans Petter Selasky) Date: Wed Jul 16 08:08:59 2008 Subject: IP35-E USB problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807161010.28387.hselasky@c2i.net> On Wednesday 16 July 2008, Justin Hall wrote: > Hello All, > > I am having troubles with getting a machine with an ABIT IP35-E (ICH9 > chipset) board to boot fully. It hangs after probing uhub1. I have updated > the BIOS and rebuilt from the latest STABLE sources in the CVS repository > to no avail. The only way I can get it to boot is by disabling my onboard > USB controller, which is obviously not a good solution. > > Any help is appreciated, > > Justin Hall > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Can you enter into the debugger (CTRL+ALT+ESC) and dump the interrupt stats. Maybe the interrupt handler is looping. --HPS From whizzter at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 11:48:05 2008 From: whizzter at gmail.com (Jonas Lund) Date: Wed Jul 16 11:48:12 2008 Subject: recommendations for multi-user X11 In-Reply-To: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> References: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> Message-ID: <436c7eda0807160448g477cbbd8i26423e70a9294f19@mail.gmail.com> > I'm setting up a colocated server (not yet procured) as a remote X11 > environment for 10 business users with broadband Internet access. > It will be their primary work computer, offering a full suite of > applications. Graphics-wise, they are not playing video games or watching > movies but will want to view the occasional YouTube clip. > > What are the graphics requirements of X11 in a low-video, multi-user > environment? > What do you recommend for hardware? This sounds quite backwards. First the server would get video from youtube that's compressed at something like 20-50x and then decode that on the server to send almost raw video over the remote X session? I seriously doubt anybody with a even a home broadband access would enjoy that video. And to what point? Unless you're giving them personal dummy terminals they are going to access the remote X desktop from a normal PC. and that normal pc should itself be able to play the videos. Now cheaping yourself out on ram sounds quite foolish. All the cpu power in the world won't help you if it's not spent because the machine is swapping. And besides, it's not THAT expensive. I don't know exactly what type of apps your people are using but i guess the main point of a setup like this is to keep the company documents,etc on the machine. So at an minimum they might be running some mail and openoffice client? So a few hundred megs of ram for each client would be a minium, prolly half a gig or so to be on the safe side for the future (This only counts in the office app + some tiny mail client, adjust for other scenarios and test!). / Jonas From maciej at suszko.eu Wed Jul 16 16:09:28 2008 From: maciej at suszko.eu (Maciej Suszko) Date: Wed Jul 16 16:09:35 2008 Subject: Dell PE2950 - SAS 6/iR Message-ID: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> I think about buying Dell PE2950 with SAS 6/iR integrated RAID controller. It would be double Intel Quad Core Xeon E5420 with 3.5" SAS 15k RPM disks connected to SAS 6/iR RAID controller. I'm curious if anyone is running FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE on such machine and if there any problems with this controller - is SAS 6/iR supported by mpt or mfi? Anyone happily using it? -- regards, Maciej Suszko. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/attachments/20080716/4ea1c972/signature.pgp From freebsd at optiksecurite.com Wed Jul 16 17:43:55 2008 From: freebsd at optiksecurite.com (FreeBSD) Date: Wed Jul 16 17:44:02 2008 Subject: Dell PE2950 - SAS 6/iR In-Reply-To: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> References: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> Message-ID: <487E2585.7080409@optiksecurite.com> Maciej Suszko a ?crit : > I think about buying Dell PE2950 with SAS 6/iR integrated RAID > controller. It would be double Intel Quad Core Xeon E5420 with 3.5" SAS > 15k RPM disks connected to SAS 6/iR RAID controller. > > I'm curious if anyone is running FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE on such machine > and if there any problems with this controller - is SAS 6/iR supported > by mpt or mfi? Anyone happily using it? > I never tried SAS 6 but I have SAS 5 in a few Dell servers and it's performance is horrible. I tried some tips I read to optimize the performance but none worked (I must admit that I didn't tried that hard but still...). Just to compare, I have the exact same disk (the same 3,5" SAS 15K that you plan to buy) in a PowerEdge 860 with SAS 5 and in a PowerEdge 1950 with PERC5 (both in RAID 1) and the performance are like day and night (tested with dbench): SAS 5: Throughput 98.9811 MB/sec 4 procs PERC5: Throughput 321.704 MB/sec 4 procs The last server I bought is a PowerEdge 840 with PERC5 but this time with 7200RPM SATA drives (3 in RAID 5) and the performance is still impressive : Throughput 266.81 MB/sec 4 procs I highly recommand upgrading to the PERC controller. SAS5 is recognized by the mpt driver and PERC5 by mfi. YMMV, Martin From maciej at suszko.eu Wed Jul 16 19:57:50 2008 From: maciej at suszko.eu (Maciej Suszko) Date: Wed Jul 16 19:57:57 2008 Subject: Dell PE2950 - SAS 6/iR In-Reply-To: <487E2585.7080409@optiksecurite.com> References: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> <487E2585.7080409@optiksecurite.com> Message-ID: <20080716215742.17a82b52@suszko.eu> FreeBSD wrote: > Maciej Suszko a ?crit : > > I think about buying Dell PE2950 with SAS 6/iR integrated RAID > > controller. It would be double Intel Quad Core Xeon E5420 with 3.5" > > SAS 15k RPM disks connected to SAS 6/iR RAID controller. > > > > I'm curious if anyone is running FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE on such machine > > and if there any problems with this controller - is SAS 6/iR > > supported by mpt or mfi? Anyone happily using it? > > > I never tried SAS 6 but I have SAS 5 in a few Dell servers and it's > performance is horrible. I tried some tips I read to optimize the > performance but none worked (I must admit that I didn't tried that > hard but still...). Just to compare, I have the exact same disk (the > same 3,5" SAS 15K that you plan to buy) in a PowerEdge 860 with SAS 5 > and in a PowerEdge 1950 with PERC5 (both in RAID 1) and the > performance are like day and night (tested with dbench): > SAS 5: Throughput 98.9811 MB/sec 4 procs > PERC5: Throughput 321.704 MB/sec 4 procs > > The last server I bought is a PowerEdge 840 with PERC5 but this time > with 7200RPM SATA drives (3 in RAID 5) and the performance is still > impressive : Throughput 266.81 MB/sec 4 procs > > I highly recommand upgrading to the PERC controller. > > SAS5 is recognized by the mpt driver and PERC5 by mfi. > > YMMV, > > Martin Thanks for reply Martin, I think I'm not gonna take the risk and I stay with PERC5 controller. Have you used integrated PERC5 or external one? And one more question - how about controller monitoring - there is a sysutils/linux-megacli, have you tested it? Is it working with your PERC? -- regards, Maciej Suszko. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/attachments/20080716/bd1ae86b/signature.pgp From developer at grinz.com Wed Jul 16 20:55:44 2008 From: developer at grinz.com (Ross Gohlke) Date: Wed Jul 16 20:55:53 2008 Subject: recommendations for multi-user X11 In-Reply-To: <436c7eda0807160448g477cbbd8i26423e70a9294f19@mail.gmail.com> References: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> <436c7eda0807160448g477cbbd8i26423e70a9294f19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487E602D.50504@grinz.com> What am I trying to accomplish? A hosted service offering a secure, persistent desktop and file transfers across platforms, devices and timezones. The only applications required on the client end - ssh and vnc - are available (often freely) for every major PC and smartphone OS. There is only one user right now -- me. 10 is an arbitrary benchmark: how much hardware would 10 users require? The hardware will scale, but what is required to get started? Do I A) buy an upgradable computer now and upgrade components piecemeal as demand grows. B) buy a "cheap" computer now and an expensive computer when demand grows. I am leaning toward B) right now. Jonas Lund wrote: >> I'm setting up a colocated server (not yet procured) as a remote X11 >> environment for 10 business users with broadband Internet access. >> It will be their primary work computer, offering a full suite of >> applications. Graphics-wise, they are not playing video games or watching >> movies but will want to view the occasional YouTube clip. >> >> What are the graphics requirements of X11 in a low-video, multi-user >> environment? >> What do you recommend for hardware? >> > > This sounds quite backwards. First the server would get video from > youtube that's compressed at something like 20-50x and then decode > that on the server to send almost raw video over the remote X session? > I seriously doubt anybody with a even a home broadband access would > enjoy that video. > Playing media is the lowest priority of the system. The point was simply that embedded media encountered during the normal course of browsing COULD be played. One advantage of surfing from a remote computer is that your actual location and network are not exposed. One might find a few videos one would prefer to watch poorly yet anonymously. > And to what point? Unless you're giving them personal dummy terminals > they are going to access the remote X desktop from a normal PC. and > that normal pc should itself be able to play the videos. > I can think of some places around the world where a "normal PC" probably can't play videos. The goal is a service that can be accessed as easily from an ancient PC as a new one. > Now cheaping yourself out on ram sounds quite foolish. All the cpu > power in the world won't help you if it's not spent because the > machine is swapping. And besides, it's not THAT expensive. > I don't know exactly what type of apps your people are using but i > guess the main point of a setup like this is to keep the company > documents,etc on the machine. So at an minimum they might be running > some mail and openoffice client? So a few hundred megs of ram for each > client would be a minium, prolly half a gig or so to be on the safe > side for the future (This only counts in the office app + some tiny > mail client, adjust for other scenarios and test!). > A ha! Hard numbers. Thank you. I was planning on 500MB RAM per user. Can we do the same thing with processor MHz? I was thinking 200MHz per user. Typical usage scenario: Get to the office. Turn on your computer. Launch PuTTY (log in). Launch VNCViewer. Your desktop is as you left it - an email is half-written in Thunderbird; Firefox has 5 tabs open with half-finished research on php-gtk. During the day you will use Open Office to draft a sales letter or a spreadsheet; Pidgin to chat with colleagues and friends; an address book and calendar. Anything you need to print is printed to PDF, downloaded with PSFTP and printed out locally. Upload your entire music collection. Manage your playlists on - and stream them from - the server. Ross From soralx at cydem.org Thu Jul 17 00:11:54 2008 From: soralx at cydem.org (soralx@cydem.org) Date: Thu Jul 17 00:12:01 2008 Subject: Dell PE2950 - SAS 6/iR In-Reply-To: <20080716215742.17a82b52@suszko.eu> References: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> <487E2585.7080409@optiksecurite.com> <20080716215742.17a82b52@suszko.eu> Message-ID: <20080716171126.0987232f@soralx> > I think I'm not gonna take the risk and I stay with PERC5 controller. > Have you used integrated PERC5 or external one? And one more question - > how about controller monitoring - there is a sysutils/linux-megacli, > have you tested it? Is it working with your PERC? doesn't seem to work with amd64 (finds zero adapters) [SorAlx] ridin' VS1400 From freebsd at optiksecurite.com Thu Jul 17 03:03:02 2008 From: freebsd at optiksecurite.com (FreeBSD) Date: Thu Jul 17 03:03:10 2008 Subject: Dell PE2950 - SAS 6/iR In-Reply-To: <20080716215742.17a82b52@suszko.eu> References: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> <487E2585.7080409@optiksecurite.com> <20080716215742.17a82b52@suszko.eu> Message-ID: <487EB696.5070901@optiksecurite.com> Maciej Suszko a ?crit : > FreeBSD wrote: > >> Maciej Suszko a ?crit : >> >>> I think about buying Dell PE2950 with SAS 6/iR integrated RAID >>> controller. It would be double Intel Quad Core Xeon E5420 with 3.5" >>> SAS 15k RPM disks connected to SAS 6/iR RAID controller. >>> >>> I'm curious if anyone is running FreeBSD-7.0-RELEASE on such machine >>> and if there any problems with this controller - is SAS 6/iR >>> supported by mpt or mfi? Anyone happily using it? >>> >>> >> I never tried SAS 6 but I have SAS 5 in a few Dell servers and it's >> performance is horrible. I tried some tips I read to optimize the >> performance but none worked (I must admit that I didn't tried that >> hard but still...). Just to compare, I have the exact same disk (the >> same 3,5" SAS 15K that you plan to buy) in a PowerEdge 860 with SAS 5 >> and in a PowerEdge 1950 with PERC5 (both in RAID 1) and the >> performance are like day and night (tested with dbench): >> SAS 5: Throughput 98.9811 MB/sec 4 procs >> PERC5: Throughput 321.704 MB/sec 4 procs >> >> The last server I bought is a PowerEdge 840 with PERC5 but this time >> with 7200RPM SATA drives (3 in RAID 5) and the performance is still >> impressive : Throughput 266.81 MB/sec 4 procs >> >> I highly recommand upgrading to the PERC controller. >> >> SAS5 is recognized by the mpt driver and PERC5 by mfi. >> >> YMMV, >> >> Martin >> > > Thanks for reply Martin, > > I think I'm not gonna take the risk and I stay with PERC5 controller. > Have you used integrated PERC5 or external one? And one more question - > how about controller monitoring - there is a sysutils/linux-megacli, > have you tested it? Is it working with your PERC? > I have the PERC5/i but I can't say that it is "integrated". It's a PCI-Express x4, IIRC. I think that the difference between the I and E is that the E would have an external connector, but I can't say for sure. I think you should stay with the PERC5/i and I think that the E is more expensive too. For the monitoring, I never tried linux-megacli because (for no good reason) I'm not a fan of linux emulation. Instead, I did a small shell script that grep /var/log/messages for entries related to mfi and email it to me. The messages in case of failure are pretty clear. I put the script in crontab so that it runs every half-hour. It does the job very well for me. Martin From freebsd at optiksecurite.com Thu Jul 17 03:04:38 2008 From: freebsd at optiksecurite.com (FreeBSD) Date: Thu Jul 17 03:04:45 2008 Subject: Dell PE2950 - SAS 6/iR In-Reply-To: <20080716171126.0987232f@soralx> References: <20080716174233.1232a5f3@suszko.eu> <487E2585.7080409@optiksecurite.com> <20080716215742.17a82b52@suszko.eu> <20080716171126.0987232f@soralx> Message-ID: <487EB702.8010804@optiksecurite.com> soralx@cydem.org a ?crit : >> I think I'm not gonna take the risk and I stay with PERC5 controller. >> Have you used integrated PERC5 or external one? And one more question - >> how about controller monitoring - there is a sysutils/linux-megacli, >> have you tested it? Is it working with your PERC? >> > > doesn't seem to work with amd64 (finds zero adapters) > > [SorAlx] ridin' VS1400 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It works fine for me on amd64 with FreeBSD 7.0 Martin From raixun at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 11:31:47 2008 From: raixun at gmail.com (baran xyz) Date: Thu Jul 17 11:31:54 2008 Subject: ]F1] Usb modem Driver for Freebsd Message-ID: <2826dfe80807170402n69135606l9c702e0b439930ae@mail.gmail.com> Hi im a slackware linux user i decided use FreeBSD now but FreeBSD dont work with my usb modem i can run my usb adsl modem with eciadsl driver => http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php Also There are eciadsl driver for Freebsd but it is under development. http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/faq.php?faq_lang=en#q5.9 my usb adsl modem Pikatel USB ADSL MODEM with globespan 7470 chipset is that possible i enable enter to internet with my usb modem ? best regards From whizzter at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 11:49:31 2008 From: whizzter at gmail.com (Jonas Lund) Date: Thu Jul 17 11:49:37 2008 Subject: recommendations for multi-user X11 In-Reply-To: <487E602D.50504@grinz.com> References: <487D07AC.4030205@grinz.com> <436c7eda0807160448g477cbbd8i26423e70a9294f19@mail.gmail.com> <487E602D.50504@grinz.com> Message-ID: <436c7eda0807170449n15ebb789t841ec0757973ab89@mail.gmail.com> > The only applications required on the client end - ssh and vnc - are > available (often freely) for every major PC and smartphone OS. I'd take a peek at tightvnc or ultravnc. I know that atleast tightvnc supports more and newer encoding methods that could bring down the bandwidth requirement. (And if you indtend it to be run in strange places, bandwidth will be very important as slow links makes vnc unbearable) > There is only one user right now -- me. 10 is an arbitrary benchmark: how > much hardware would 10 users require? I doubt you'll get an good answer without actually running this. I definetly support the notion of going for a cheap computer... as long as it has plenty of ram! > Playing media is the lowest priority of the system. The point was simply > that embedded media encountered during the normal course of browsing COULD > be played. > One advantage of surfing from a remote computer is that your actual location > and network are not exposed. One might find a few videos one would prefer to > watch poorly yet anonymously. > > I can think of some places around the world where a "normal PC" probably > can't play videos. > The goal is a service that can be accessed as easily from an ancient PC as a > new one. > > A ha! Hard numbers. Thank you. I was planning on 500MB RAM per user. Can we > do the same thing with processor MHz? I was thinking 200MHz per user. If you open a few tabs with swedens biggest online newspaper you're gonna make firefox unresponsive regardless of your cpu. My entire old singlecore 1ghz laptop became unresponsive by doing this prior to me installing noscript(This is on windows tho). Videos or flash animations are going to create alot of "uncompressed" data sent over the wire using vnc. I don't have hard and exact numbers here but from experience i'd say that looking at the same video over vnc/ssh would require about as much cpu as watching the video directly but with greater bandwidth requirement. This is because the big amount of data that is going to need much cputime for decryption > Typical usage scenario: > Get to the office. Turn on your computer. Launch PuTTY (log in). Launch > VNCViewer. If you're gonna do this for nontechnical people you should look at making an integrated vnc viewer with ssh built in. (Or finding one.. check tightvnc and ultravnc) > Your desktop is as you left it - an email is half-written in Thunderbird; > Firefox has 5 tabs open with half-finished research on php-gtk. > During the day you will use Open Office to draft a sales letter or a > spreadsheet; Pidgin to chat with colleagues and friends; an address book and > calendar. Anything you need to print is printed to PDF, downloaded with > PSFTP and printed out locally. Doing all this wouldn't require much more than "peak" cpu tops. So you could prolly get away with a fairly cheap cpu. If you allow flash and other media stuff in firefox f.ex. i have no idea what will happen. > Upload your entire music collection. Manage your playlists on - and stream > them from - the server. Umm,.. does vnc even support sound? What you really need is testing. I'd say get some el-cheapo thingy and add lots of ram (I will stand by that, you don't notice ram until you run out of it :) and force some friends or something to stress it. / Jonas From hselasky at c2i.net Thu Jul 17 12:13:35 2008 From: hselasky at c2i.net (Hans Petter Selasky) Date: Thu Jul 17 12:13:42 2008 Subject: ]F1] Usb modem Driver for Freebsd In-Reply-To: <2826dfe80807170402n69135606l9c702e0b439930ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <2826dfe80807170402n69135606l9c702e0b439930ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807171415.12306.hselasky@c2i.net> On Thursday 17 July 2008, baran xyz wrote: > Hi > im a slackware linux user i decided use FreeBSD now but FreeBSD dont work > with my usb modem i can run my usb adsl modem with eciadsl driver => > http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php Also There are eciadsl driver for > Freebsd but it is under development. > http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/faq.php?faq_lang=en#q5.9 > my usb adsl modem Pikatel USB ADSL MODEM with globespan 7470 chipset > is that possible i enable enter to internet with my usb modem ? > > best regards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Did you try loading: umodem if_cdce --HPS From smallhand at crawblog.com Thu Jul 17 18:38:22 2008 From: smallhand at crawblog.com (Edward Ruggeri) Date: Thu Jul 17 18:38:28 2008 Subject: Atheros Wireless Card Causes Page Fault Message-ID: <919383240807171110i4530b7fdo45ab2584a04739c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I originally sent this question to the freebsd-questions list, but I now realize that freebsd-hardware is probably a better recipient. I have a recently purchased Lenovo ThinkPad, with a Atheros 5212 wireless card (well, dmesg says it's an Atheros 5212; I believe it). It also has a wired internet connector, which works perfectly fine. I wish I was writing you from that computer, but I am at work right now and don't have the ThinkPad at my fingertips. I can update later tonight, but perhaps you can spot my error with just the somewhat incomplete information I have right now. I have compiled the Atheros driver and wireless support into my kernel: "device ath device ath_hal device ath_rate_sample device wlan device wlan_wep device wlan_ccmp device wlan_tkip" The card is detected correctly upon system startup. If I add ifconfig_ath0="DHCP" into /etc/rc.conf (or, alternatively, run dhclient ath0 as root) the system connects to the wireless router and gets an IP address successfully. (My wireless at home is unsecured). I go to test the connection in Lynx. Google loads (yay!). I submit a google search, that may load. But I rarely get a third page transmitted before I get a page fault. The error is quite like this person's (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-September/065608.html), though his problem didn't seem to be resolved on the list. In particular, the system reports a "fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode". Fault virtual address is 0x0, not 0xc, if it makes a difference. The fault code is also "supervisor read, page not present." The current process is ath0 taskq. To my (totally uneducated) eyes, this seems to be a driver problem. I am not certain of my wireless card's make/number, but I assume that it really is an Atheros 5212, not only because that's what FreeBSD says, but that's also what Lenovo ships as the basic ThinkPad card (I didn't go with Intel wireless). So if I'm using the right driver, I'm not sure what the issue might be. Any ideas? Thanks for any help you might have! Sincerely, -- Ned Ruggeri From jeno.kiev at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 10:08:56 2008 From: jeno.kiev at gmail.com (=?KOI8-R?B?5dfHxc7JyiD7wdDP18HM?=) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:09:02 2008 Subject: HDD free space Message-ID: Hi! My problem: When I execute "df -H" I have: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad6s1a 16G 13G 1.3G 91% / devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev /dev/ad5s1d 727G 601G 68G 90% /usr/home/reliz /dev/ad4s1d 484G 484G -39G 109% /usr/home/reliz/hdd6 /dev/ad6s1d 468G 435G -5.1G 101% /usr/home/reliz/hdd2 /dev/ad7s1d 387G 362G -5.9G 102% /usr/home/reliz/hdd5 /dev/ad0s1d 242G 223G -752k 100% /usr/home/reliz/hdd4 line "/dev/ad4s1d 484G 484G -39G 109% /usr/home/reliz/hdd6" why "-39G"? how can I get correct avail space?! =\ I must know how much space on hdd I have... Thanks! =) From gergely.czuczy at harmless.hu Mon Jul 21 10:33:08 2008 From: gergely.czuczy at harmless.hu (CZUCZY Gergely) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:33:15 2008 Subject: HDD free space In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721121808.1159be97@twoflower.in.publishing.hu> Hello, man tunefs; man newfs. See the notes for reserved spaces. On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:44:07 +0300 "??????? ???????" wrote: > Hi! > > My problem: > > When I execute "df -H" > > I have: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad6s1a 16G 13G 1.3G 91% / > devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad5s1d 727G 601G 68G 90% /usr/home/reliz > /dev/ad4s1d 484G 484G -39G 109% /usr/home/reliz/hdd6 > /dev/ad6s1d 468G 435G -5.1G 101% /usr/home/reliz/hdd2 > /dev/ad7s1d 387G 362G -5.9G 102% /usr/home/reliz/hdd5 > /dev/ad0s1d 242G 223G -752k 100% /usr/home/reliz/hdd4 > > line "/dev/ad4s1d 484G 484G -39G 109% > /usr/home/reliz/hdd6" why "-39G"? how can I get correct avail space?! > =\ > I must know how much space on hdd I have... > > Thanks! =) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ?dv?lettel, Czuczy Gergely Harmless Digital Bt mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu Tel: +36-30-9702963 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hardware/attachments/20080721/39b2f804/signature.pgp From koitsu at FreeBSD.org Mon Jul 21 10:43:20 2008 From: koitsu at FreeBSD.org (Jeremy Chadwick) Date: Mon Jul 21 10:43:26 2008 Subject: HDD free space In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080721104320.GA29382@eos.sc1.parodius.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:44:07PM +0300, ??????? ??????? wrote: > My problem: > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/ad6s1a 16G 13G 1.3G 91% / > devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev > /dev/ad5s1d 727G 601G 68G 90% /usr/home/reliz > /dev/ad4s1d 484G 484G -39G 109% /usr/home/reliz/hdd6 > /dev/ad6s1d 468G 435G -5.1G 101% /usr/home/reliz/hdd2 > /dev/ad7s1d 387G 362G -5.9G 102% /usr/home/reliz/hdd5 > /dev/ad0s1d 242G 223G -752k 100% /usr/home/reliz/hdd4 > > line "/dev/ad4s1d 484G 484G -39G 109% > /usr/home/reliz/hdd6" why "-39G"? how can I get correct avail space?! This is often caused by either 1) softupdates, 2) minfree for root, or 3) some kind of filesystem corruption. You won't be able to do anything about the softupdates ordeal; running sync and waiting a few minutes (sometimes 3-4 minutes depending upon the size of data which is changing). You can use gstat to see what's going on behind the scenes I/O-wise. minfree you can tune via tunefs(8). Filesystem corruption should be dealt with by booting into single user and running fsck manually. Yes, I know FreeBSD has background fsck, but it's recently been explained to me that there are major caveats and issues with it. You can disable it in multiuser by using background_fsck="no" in /etc/rc.conf. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From jhs at berklix.org Thu Jul 24 13:47:27 2008 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Thu Jul 24 13:47:34 2008 Subject: Voltages on older PCs Message-ID: <200807241317.m6ODHA80093562@fire.js.berklix.net> Hi hardware@ (cc Gary & Michael) Comment welcome before I return a FreeBSD-7.0 host to service, (taken away for analysis after it fell off line a few times). I've long since rebuilt world, (still 7.0-REL), & built a few needed ports/, but much reduced ports/ than before, Many less auto start processes load from local/etc/rc.d & especially, no mailman, (cos I've seen thrashing from mailman on FreeBSD before). I'd checked temps long since too, with a real probe, not BIOS, they're OK (& the normal remote site has good power & very cool ) Checked Volts last night (Yes AT style 2 adjacent 6 pin connectors): PIN COLOUR NOMINAL Slim Test P9.[4-6] Red +5 +5.14V +5~ P9.3 Green -5 +0.282V -5~ P8.[56] P9.[12] Black 0 - - P8.4 Blue -12 -11.94V 0.56 P8.3 Yellow +12 +11.9V +12.3 P8.2 Purple +5 +5.11V +5 P8.1 Grey ? +2.4V +5 Notes: P8.1: OTS book says: "Power Good" but no V. is specified. Slim: The remote server in question Test: For comparison: Open frame pentium I test cards with. I recall some old PCs needed an extra negative (-5 or -12 ?), for RAM refresh, (& another also -12 for proper RS232, though rarely if ever did PCs use more than 0/5 on cua/tty, thus not Real RS232), but that some negatives got abandoned on some m. boards as no longer needed (I think refresh requirements changed). Curious thing is these 2 boards both run, but with different low voltage pins. Can anyone cast insight ? If not, I'm inclined to shrug & return server to service (where it's largely a backup anyway, not domain critical). Thanks for any insight, Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail plain ASCII text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. www.asciiribbon.org From rfg at tristatelogic.com Thu Jul 24 22:39:27 2008 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Thu Jul 24 22:39:33 2008 Subject: i386/125516: 7.0-RELEASE / nvidia nForce220D / ASUS A7N266-VM/AA Message-ID: <86163.1216938264@tristatelogic.com> Can anybody on this list (freebsd-hardware) help me with this problem? It appears that I'm either not reporting/discussing this problem on the Proper List, or else not reporting/discussing it with the Proper People, or something. Anyway, I haven't gotten any responses to my last couple of follow-ups regarding this apparent bug, so I just have to ask... Has anybody here ever tried using or installing 7.0-RELEASE on any motherboard based on the Nvidia nForce220D chipset? Please read about my own troubles doing so here: http://groups.google.com/group/lucky.freebsd.i386/browse_thread/thread/1064a4c68f5f5c7a/6c6b399f484e37ab?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#6c6b399f484e37ab If anybody has any suggestions... including donating the motherboard to my local E-Waste recycler... I'm all ears. From freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com Sat Jul 26 00:38:13 2008 From: freebsd at sopwith.solgatos.com (Dieter) Date: Sat Jul 26 00:38:19 2008 Subject: Foxconn BIOS (and maybe others?) has ACPI problems Message-ID: <200807260000.AAA19964@sopwith.solgatos.com> His diplomatic skills could use polishing, but if he is right about the BIOS it could explain some ACPI problems. Note that he lists FreeBSD as well as Linux as not working in his letter to the FTC. http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 From brendanh at strategicecommerce.com.au Tue Jul 29 02:19:06 2008 From: brendanh at strategicecommerce.com.au (Brendan Hart) Date: Tue Jul 29 02:19:12 2008 Subject: ukbd0 from dell DRAC5 remote access controller Message-ID: <015101c8f11d$af3c7660$0db56320$@com.au> >> >> >>pe1# kbdcontrol -K < /dev/console >> >>kbd0 >> >> kbdmux0, type:AT 101/102 (2) >> >>pe1# kbdcontrol -a kbd0 < /dev/kbdmux0 >> >>/dev/kbdmux0: Device busy. >> >>pe1# kbdcontrol -a kbd1 < /dev/kbdmux0 >> >> Actually I'm surprised you were able to get dmesg(8) output. What did you >> do, boot into the 2nd stage boot-loader and then set the console to serial >> console or just manual copy/paste transcribe? > >I've got a local console on the box, plus ssh working :) > >> I have the unfortunate situation of having lots of these machines remotely >> installed and deployed with DRAC setup with which I planned to do the >> remote install of FBSD, but this bug is a serious show stopper. > >Urgh, I feel your pain. The remote virtual CD stuff works nicely, and I >can boot other OSes fine that way, but the keyboard is toast once >freebsd boots. > >> Moreover, the whole ActiveX client dependency is really absurd. Does >> anyone have the client working in FreeBSD/Linux/POSIX? Firefox anything >> even? I could deal with Java for remote console on DRAC4. > >I gave up and used IE on windows to access it :/ Did anyone ever find any success in getting the DRAC5 ukbd0 keyboard working on FreeBSD 6.x/7.x using the ActiveX virtual console? I have been wrestling with what appears to the same issue as you have described. Much research into mailing lists has not yet led me to a solution. The closest I have achieved is a serial terminal via the DRAC5 card virtual serial port (sio1), but I am still not confident of this working in case the system has to drop back to single user mode. The ActiveX console keyboard works fine all through the bios startup, the boot0 menu and the Beastie screen, up to the start of the FreeBSD kernel boot. I have gone as far as disabling atkbd and kbdmux, and confirmed that ukbd is identifying the DRAC keyboard and connecting to the /dev/console. But still no keyboard action via the ActiveX console :( I am beginning to suspect that the DRAC5 usb keyboard implementation is not 100% correct, causing the ukbd0 driver to not work effectively. However Dell are not helpful to *BSD so pursuing them seems to be a dead end. Do you have any further advice? Best Regards, Brendan Hart --------------------------------- Brendan Hart, Development Manager Strategic Ecommerce Division Securepay Pty Ltd Phone: 08-8274-4000 Fax: 08-8274-1400