nosh version 1.9

Outback Dingo outbackdingo at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 23:02:10 UTC 2014


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Outback Dingo <outbackdingo at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <
> J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups at ntlworld.com> wrote:
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>> Outback Dingo:
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>>>
>>> IMHO I think we'd be better off with launchd... but this does show
>>> intelligence....
>>>
>>>
>> A while ago, I lived in a comfortable little world.  Yes, everyone else
>> was getting the likes of Solaris SMF, AIX SRC, systemd, upstart, and
>> whatnot.  But BSD was alright.  Someone was bound to come along and package
>> up launchd.  After all, MacOS is BSD ... right?
>>
>> Then I did some investigation.
>>
>> There have been, to my knowledge, three attempts (in 2005, 2008, and
>> 2013) to give launchd to the general BSD world that have involved more than
>> just talk.  All have foundered.  The discomforting truth is that we aren't
>> going to get launchd for doing service and system management for the very
>> same reasons that we aren't going to get systemd for doing service and
>> system management.  systemd is full of Linuxisms.  launchd is full of
>> Machisms.  It's simply not a BSD program.  It's a Mach program.  (The fact
>> that the initial process program isn't portable is obvious in hindsight.  I
>> kicked myself. I've written several initial process programs before.  They
>> aren't, and cannot be, limited to non-operating-system-specific stuff.)
>> One attempt to port launchd involved stubbing out the Machisms.  There has
>> been a recent attempt to port systemd to FreeBSD that is in the same boat:
>> stub out or remove all of the operating system specific parts, and one can
>> get a program that will compile (with a lot of compiler warnings); but it
>> doesn't function.
>>
>> The launchd train is never coming.  It's this realization, in addition to
>> several other motivating factors, that spurred me to aim high with nosh,
>> and actually set that task of converting those rc.d scripts.  Feel free to
>> thank the valiant and noble failures of the launchd porters for the fact
>> that there's one alternative to BSD init that doesn't put an XML parser
>> into the program for process #1.  (-:
>>
>>
> Actually thats not true..... We did successfully port it, and it is not
> released on github..... and it does work.
>
> https://github.com/outbackdingo/launchd_xml
>

And to further note, we have even used openrc successfully on FreeBSD, As
it all boils down I think to users preferences
I believe having a choice is good..... now there appear to be three
alternatives in the mix......


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