our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil

Fri Feb 5 19:05:41 UTC 2010

Hi Kirk, Christoph, Hackers,

"Julian H. Stacey" wrote:
> Kirk McKusick wrote:
> > Thanks for the pointer. As you note, the damage (or benefit :-) is
> > done. Still I have sent an email to the editor at Spiegel notifying
> > them of my copyright in the hopes that they will at least ask in the
> > future.
> > 
> > 	Kirk McKusick
> 
> Good idea.  You might want to contact authors of that PDF paper too.
> In case, as my browser still is fails on URL I posted earlier:
> 	http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf
> I'll send you an off list copy of what I downloaded earlier
> at 2nd Feb 18:14 TZ=GMT+01:00.

National German TV (WDR was showing the BSD Daemon graphic in close up,
as part of that PDF report, just now, about 19:10 GMT+02:00 Fri 5th Feb.
They quoted
  http://www.aktuelle-stunde.de/
I clicked to 
  http://www.wdr.de/tv/aks/sendungsbeitraege/2010/kw05/0205/angeklickt.jsp
	Big Browser is watching you!
	Freitag, 05. Februar 2010, 18.50 - 19.30 Uhr

	"Kein Versprecher, sondern wie es scheint, zunehmend ein
	Problem. Irgendwie wussten wir es ja schon immer: Wer sich
	viel in sozialen Netzwerken wie Facebook, SchuelerVZ, Xing,
	Stayfriends und Co. aufhält, der gibt so oder so schon eine
	Menge von und über sich preis, bewusst in der Regel. Aber
	wer hätte gedacht, dass man beim Ansteuern anderer Netzseiten
	zum gläsernen Surfer werden könnte? Genau das kann aber
	passieren, sagen Forscher in einer Studie. Wer sich viel
	in sozialen Netzwerken aufhält, muss damit rechnen, künftig
	beim Surfen erkannt zu werden. Jörg Schieb erklärt uns nun,
	was das bedeutet, wie das funktioniert und worum es eigentlich
	geht."

	"Haben Sie Fragen oder Anregungen? Dann schicken Sie uns eine E-Mail.
	angeklickt at wdr.de

The BSD symbol was used IMO totaly out of all context on the TV clip.
Though the Firefox symbol has more relevance.

Kirk, you may want to remind the chaps in Wien/Vienna Uni who wrote
the report, that the copyright on that symbol is yours, as report was
written in English, no problem for you to do that.

If you want to write the TV company:
	I'm British, I merely read German, don't write it well,
	There's numerous native German speakers on this list can
	translate to German much better than I ever could.

I suspect this may be front edge of a wave, so it's perhaps
worth trying to ensure the BSD daemon is not riding that wave.

The more so, as if others realise this is about data harvesting,
& there was another German court ruling about data harvesting recently
	http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/free/scam_fees.html
BSD being seen with harvesting not so good.

PS an undefended trade mark loses its right to further defence or some such,
(I'm not a lawyer).

> > =-=-=-=
> > 
> > From:    "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs at berklix.com>
> > Date:    Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:30:29 +0100
> > To:      Christoph Kukulies <kuku at kukulies.org>
> > Subject: Re: our little daemon abused as symbol of the evil 
> > Cc:      freebsd-hackers at freebsd.org, Kirk McKusick <mckusick at mckusick.com>
> > Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany
> > 
> > Christoph Kukulies wrote:
> > > Look here:
> > > 
> > > http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-51396-2.html
> > 
> > ( Well spotted Christoph ! )
> > For those that don't read German, tracing back,
> > Text article starts here 
> > 	http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0,1518,675395,00.html
> > 
> > That is in German, 
> > 	(some might like a translator web, eg http://babelfish.org )
> > 	I did read the german article (but skipped graphics).
> > 
> > Key paragraph:
> > 	Es ist ein Horrorszenario für Datenschützer, was Thorsten
> > 	Holz, Gilbert Wondracek, Engin Kirda und Christopher Kruegel
> > 	in ihrem 15-seitigen Aufsatz beschreiben ( PDF-Datei hier,
> > 	803 KB): Die Experten vom Isec-Forschungslabor für
> > 	IT-Sicherheit, einer Kooperation der Technischen Universität
> > 	Wien, dem Institute Eurcom und der University of California,
> > 	dokumentieren einen technisch eher simplen Angriff, der
> > 	eine seit zehn Jahren bekannte Sicherheitslücke ausnutzt.
> > 
> > In key para there I could click & download
> > 	sonda-TR.pdf
> > (though now I can't seem to redownload
> > 	http://www.iseclab.org/papers/sonda-TR.pdf	)
> > A 15 page article in Engish.
> > 	Page 4 uses the Firefox & BSD logos.
> > 
> > I havent read that English [yet],  but with it, any interested here
> > can now read & form own opinions if it seems fair to use the Daemon
> > logo, especially cc'd copyright holder of BSD daemon holder:
> > 	Kirk McKusick <mckusick at mckusick.com>
> > 
> > IMO The German article by weekly magazine Spiegel.de didnt really seem 
> > to have anything to do with BSD, they just copied the graphics.
> > 
> > Personaly my 2c:
> >   Initial reaction was I'd be a happier if a generic PC graphic had
> >   been used in the spiegel.de web, but maybe its the price of fame,
> >   I guess tests were done using BSD, & Spiegel thought it was nice
> >   colourful graphic.  (Politicians never looked good on British TV
> >   Spitting Image programme, but they learnt it was better to look
> >   bad there, & be talked about, than not seen, not recognised &
> >   ignored).
> 
> Cheers,
> Julian
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> Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com
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Cheers,
Julian
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