Critical Sections for userland.
alfred at freebsd.org
Thu Oct 4 10:11:42 PDT 2007
* Wilko Bulte <wb at freebie.xs4all.nl> [071004 04:15] wrote:
> Quoting Alfred Perlstein, who wrote on Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 03:19:02AM -0700 ..
> > * Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav <des at des.no> [071004 03:01] wrote:
> > > Alfred Perlstein <alfred at freebsd.org> writes:
> > > > Do you have:
> > > >
> > > > a) Evidence or a paper to prove that this is a bad idea?
> > >
> > > I need evidence or a paper to prove that it is a bad idea to allow a
> > > userland process to hold the CPU indefinitely?
> > >
> > > > b) A helpful suggestion?
> > >
> > > Why don't you tell us what you're actually trying to do, so we can tell
> > > you how to do it.
> > >
> > > > c) An obvious understanding of the problem?
> > >
> > > I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
> > It's not worth my time to engage someone with your mind set, you
> > posses neither the technical nor interpersonal skill to be useful
> > to me.
> Gentlemen... please?
I think that it would behoove us to explain to developers that
perhaps helping the users instead of talking down to them would
probably catch more flies.
I'm really tired of being told what I need by people that do not
understand what environment I'm coming from.
By not fielding these annoying responses I come across as clueless
or perhaps even satiated by the non-help, conversely by answering
I am forced to play this game with people that I'm quite certain
will not help me even if they are somehow satisfied by the intellectual
or sadistic things they are trying to extract.
Even after making it clear with Kip what is needed, I have two more
developers toying/trolling/etc with me rather than helping me.
Here is how I handle the "holy crap your idea is hair-brained", I
simply say, "well if you do that, you'll be worse off because of
X, Y or Z and missing out on feature A, B or C, buuuuuuut, here's
how you might accomplish that...."
So not only do I come across as smart, but also somewhat helpful.
I think we should all know that too much of the former without the
latter does not paint us in a good light.
- Alfred Perlstein
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