Garrett Cooper youshi10 at
Sat May 19 19:28:29 UTC 2007

Garrett Cooper wrote:
> Duane Whitty wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 15 May 2007 at  1:05:07 -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>>> Tom Evans wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 22:17 -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote:
>>>>> Ruby's nice, but it's built on Perl so I have suspicions on its 
>>>>> overall usability / speed given my experience with Perl over the 
>>>>> past 4 months daily for work :(.. Ruby's just the new big thing for 
>>>>> programming languages, so everyone's into it. Kind of like how Java 
>>>>> was compared to C/C++ a few years back. But once everything dies 
>>>>> down people will realize that they'll still have to program in 
>>>>> C/C++/Perl for real-world applications.
>>>>> Python seems better than Ruby from what I can see, but I really 
>>>>> don't like the mandatory indentation thing. Ew..
>>>> Rubies are better Perls. That's the only connection between the two. 
>>>> One
>>>> day, a Japanese programmer got fed up with Perl, and wrote a better
>>>> language (for varying meanings of better).
>>>> Its not based or built on Perl in any respect.
>>>> Python and Ruby both have the same targets; to speed development time
>>>> and increase programmer productivity.
>>> But one must make a Perl before one can make a Ruby. Maybe that was 
>>> what I was trying to aim for.
>>> Ruby's nice, but it seems like it's going to be a bit passe in a few 
>>> years like Java was for compilable / interpretable languages.
>>> -Garrett
>  >
>> None of this matters
>> My only point is that if you need something quick to explore the 
>> format of
>> pkgdb.db or INDEX.db you are pretty well assured of finding a tool you
>> can work with; Perl, Python, or Ruby.  If these aren't sufficient use C.
>> The pkg_* tools are written in C so in C they will be modified; but no
>> harm in doing initial exploration and prototyping with something else.
>> Let's stay focused!
>> Duane
> Ok, finally dumped the full database. Will analyze closely later on 
> tonight.
> Cheers,
> -Garrett
> PS If you installed ruby-bdb, simply running "make config" in the 
> ports-mgmt/portupgrade directory and selecting ruby-bdb1 won't do. You 
> have to go into databases/ruby-bdb, do make deinstall, then go to 
> databases/ruby-bdb1 and do make install, or something similar.

	If you haven't seen my entry yet, and you're interested, I've posted my 
analysis of the INDEX-*.db file at: 
	I'd like to really discuss the additional metadata that gets tacked 
onto each database file, in particular, is it necessary, and is there a 
better way to do that?
	Also, the whole Ruby ports tools writing to the ports db consistently 
instead of at exit is another item which probably should be discussed 
too (someone brought this up earlier).

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