FreeBSD mail list etiquette

Marcel Moolenaar marcel at
Sat Oct 25 12:41:57 PDT 2003

On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 11:54:59AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Frankly, FreeBSD has too many cooks, and not enough bottle washers;
> this is a euphimism for saying that all anyone with a commit bit
> seems to want to do any more is write new code, and no one is
> willing to take on the integration and maintenance tasks.

The euphemism sucks, but the point is there. The problem here has
nothing to do with commit bits. People who do the dirty work and
do it in a way that demonstrates that they can do it unattended
are given commit bits. The problem is that after a certain amount
of dirty work someone either goes away or, if given a commit bit,
moves on to more interesting things to waste time on.

There is also a problem in that the dirty work, even if done in a
way that demonstrates that the person has skills, is not always
recognised as important. The recognition has to come from within
that part of the developer community that has commit bits, because
you need someone with a commit bit to actually commit the stuff. If
noone with a commit bit recorgnises the dirty work as important,
it's not going to be committed and the person who has done the dirty
work is not recognised as someone who is worthy of a commit bit
because none of his work has been committed.

You don't solve the problems by giving out commit bits. That will
only accomplish that effort moves from prior to the commit to after
the commit, adding repository pollution to the mix. It therefore
makes the problem larger, not smaller.

 Marcel Moolenaar	  USPA: A-39004		 marcel at

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