Joe Marcus Clarke marcus at
Mon Apr 20 00:58:27 UTC 2009

On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 13:44 -0700, Larry Maloney wrote:
> Markus,
> I would like to get an idea of the scope of work before committing myself.
> If it's just path conflict, and integration work, maybe it's not too bad.
> At first thought, seems like this could be easily done in some C code.
> Can anyone give me an idea of the scope of work, and identify a todo list?  Anything at all to help
> me evaluate this project?
> One of the problems I have, is that when I run users and groups within gnome, and I try to modify an existing
> user, the changes aren't persistently.  I don't see any changes that I make with "Users and Groups" reflected in 
> /etc/passwd.
> Is this a typical issue with system-tools-backends, or do I have something wrong in my environment/config?

As I said in my email, these kind of problems are typical due to the
code rot in system-tools-backends when it comes to FreeBSD.  That code
is written in Perl.

If anyone on this list has tried to use the Administration tools in
GNOME, and ran into problems, please post the specifics so a scope of
work can be collected.


> Thank you.
> Larry
> On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 17:29 -0700, Larry Maloney wrote:
> > > Marcus,
> > > 
> > > I am trying to use gnomes "users and groups" app in gnome on BSD, but 
> > > I'm having problems.
> > > 
> > > I do have the latest and greatest system-tools-backends, but based on 
> > > this summer of code recommendation, it seems that my problem might be 
> > > everyones problem.
> > > 
> > > What exactly is NOT working in System-tools-backends for freebsd with gnome?
> > > 
> > > I may have to work on this, just to get what I need done.
> >   
> Thanks for your interest.  As you have already seen, "Users and Groups"
> has problems.  Essentially, every module needs to be made to work.  This
> means hacking the backend Perl code to respect FreeBSD paths, helper
> applications, etc.
> If you're serious about fixing this code, I recommend you send an email
> out to gnome at and ask for specific problems.  I haven't used
> these tools in a while since I've known they did not work.  In
> particular, modifying services used to mess up the box so bad, it would
> just crash.
> You're the first to step up to this challenge, so I certainly hope
> you'll consider doing the work.  If you do, I would like you to take
> ownership of this module moving forward.  That is, you would be the one
> responsible for making sure the FreeBSD support doesn't rot.  The
> FreeBSD GNOME team is hurting for contributors right now, so we're very
> eager to get new blood.
> Joe
> -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome at FreeNode / 
> #freebsd-gnome
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