RFC: Restructuring GNOME meta-ports
Joe Marcus Clarke
marcus at FreeBSD.org
Mon Jan 5 19:05:05 PST 2004
On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 20:50, Adam Weinberger wrote:
> >> (01.05.2004 @ 1843 PST): Joe Marcus Clarke said, in 1.9K: <<
> > I was thinking maybe we should borrow something from garnome seeing as
> > since they've borrowed practically everything from us already ;-) (the
> > ports system, that is). What if we restructured the GNOME meta-ports to
> > look something like this:
> > x11/gnome2 (leave it the way it is)
> > x11/gnome2-lite (leave it the way it is)
> I would rather see an x11/gnome2-desktop port, and have x11/gnome2 be a
> metaport for the Whole Damn Thing. Or, well... I think there should be a
> meta meta port.
This isn't very doable with the way the ports tree works now. How would
you create a dependency chain? Would you force the lower meta-ports to
install .keep_me files or the like? Personally, I think meta-ports of
meta-ports are icky.
> Also, I think that gnome2-lite could also perhaps be made to be a meta
> meta port.
> > x11/gnome2-fifth-toe (Will consist of the following):
> > graphics/gthumb2 news/pan2 net/gnomeicu2
> > x11-toolkits/gnome-themes-extras sysutils/gkrellm
> > graphics/gimp-devel www/bluefish-devel
> > net/tsclient graphics/sodipodi
> > security/seahorse ftp/gftp net/gossip
> > audio/rhythmbox net/straw
> > multimedia/totem mail/balsa2
> > irc/xchat2 net/gaim www/galeon2
> > audio/jamboree
> is this list adhering to GNOME's specifications? cuz if not, I'm going
> to put some suggestions below.
Not anymore. This is a little more open. Again, I'm using garnome as a
jumping off point. It seems to me, the default Fifth Toe has become
bloated, and more or less useless for the majority of users.
> > x11/gnome2-power-tools (New meta-port consisting of the following):
> > devel/gnomevfs-extras sysutils/gnome-pkgview
> > misc/quick-lounge-applet x11/gswitchit
> > editors/dasher net/netspeed_applet
> > editors/gedit-plugins deskutils/gdesklets
> > net/gnomenetwork net/gnomenetstatus
> what about epiphany-extensions?
> > devel/gnome2-hacker-tools (New meta-port consisting of the following):
> > editors/mlview devel/gnomecommon devel/glade2
> > editors/ghex2 devel/regexxer editors/conglomerate
> > devel/anjuta-devel texproc/meld
> i do not like the names power-tools and hacker-tools. they are only
> descriptive to certain groups of people.
What's in a name? We can always make the pkg-descr for informative.
> > deskutils/gnome2-office (New meta port consisting of the following):
> > math/gnumeric2 deskutils/mrproject [planner] graphics/dia
> > deskutils/glabels mail/evolution editors/AbiWord2
> > Thoughts?
> I'd like to consider some different organizations.
> I'd like to see stuff broken down in ways similar to how the ports tree
> does it. I think that all mail and news apps, for example, should be
> kept together, and should be under a productivity heading that includes
> the components listed above for gnome2-office, as well as things like
> gimp and maybe bluefish.
I disagree with you somewhat. I don't want to simply mirror the
existing ports tree while giving it a GNOME flavor. Rather, I'd like to
organize things into large bundles that offer [mostly] novice users a
way of seeing what apps are "blessed" to work well with GNOME and
fulfill a certain purpose. I do like the term, "Productivity," though.
> I'd like to see an "extensions" category that contains additions to
> other things. Things like applets, -extras, -extensions,
> gnome-theme-extras, etc.
Too vague, I think. I like the idea of adding epiphany-extensions to
the broader power-tools (or whatever) category. I also think we should
steer away from making tons of small meta-ports. We don't want to
overwhelm our users. Not to beat a dead horse, but garnome uses these
five meta-ports, and I think a low number like that is a good thing.
> gnome2-h4x0r-t00lz i like though. still not thrilled with the name
We can certainly try to come up with a better name. And don't forget,
we still have the COMMENT and pkg-descr to help users out.
> I'd like to see maybe an entertainment category. Totem, rhythmbox,
> xchat2, gossip, gnomeicu2, etc. Maybe a systemtools category that
> contains gftp, gnomenetwork, etc. Dunno where all of this leaves gkrellm
> and gdesklets, but I think that they should be in the same category.
> Besides, gdesklets seems to be becoming more popular than gkrellm2,
> development of which seems to have slowed to a halt.
Cool. Pav also suggested a games meta-port (e.g. gnome2-toys). We
should also not think of our new meta-ports as being set in stone. We
should allow for flexibility. For example, as gdesklets matures, it
could move from power-tools (or whatever) to the fifth-toe, etc.
> # Adam
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Joe Marcus Clarke
FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome at FreeBSD.org
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