From mike at sentex.net Fri Jan 2 15:47:47 2009 From: mike at sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) Date: Fri Jan 2 15:48:18 2009 Subject: Strange nanobsd issue In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20070704124538.26bfe960@sentex.net> References: <7.1.0.9.0.20070704124538.26bfe960@sentex.net> Message-ID: <200901021519.n02FJn2E090929@lava.sentex.ca> At 12:10 PM 7/4/2007, Mike Tancsa wrote: >I ran into a rather strange problem I dont understand. With my >nanobsd image, if I comment out > >hint.sio.0.flags="0x10" >or >hint.uart.0.flags="0x10" >from /boot/device.hints > >I get the RAM disks mounted twice ?! > >eg. > ># df >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >/dev/ad0s1a 245239 98076 127544 43% / >devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev >/dev/md0 4526 1784 2380 43% /etc >/dev/md1 27990 124 25628 0% /var >/dev/md2 4526 1788 2376 43% /etc >/dev/md3 27990 436 25316 2% /var > >/boot.config is empty and /boot/loader.conf has > >hw.ata.ata_dma=0 >hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 >beastie_disable="YES" # Turn the beastie boot menu on and off >#comconsole_speed="19200" >#console="nullconsole" >autoboot_delay="4 > >having nullconsole doesnt seem to matter any. The device.hints >modification seems to be the single thing that effects this behavior. I accidentally found a work around to this issue while playing with a firewall console on a box with no serial ports. If I add to my stock NANOBSD image the boot loader option boot_multicons="YES" dcons_load="YES" The double mount issue goes away.... I havent found much documentation about multicons/dcons and its implications. Apart from a bit of RAM it uses for the kernel, are there any disadvantages of using it to work around the double mount issue ? ---Mike From fb-embedded at psconsult.nl Fri Jan 2 21:56:24 2009 From: fb-embedded at psconsult.nl (Paul Schenkeveld) Date: Fri Jan 2 21:56:30 2009 Subject: Strange nanobsd issue In-Reply-To: <200901021519.n02FJn2E090929@lava.sentex.ca> References: <7.1.0.9.0.20070704124538.26bfe960@sentex.net> <200901021519.n02FJn2E090929@lava.sentex.ca> Message-ID: <20090102215614.GA12372@psconsult.nl> On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 10:19:44AM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 12:10 PM 7/4/2007, Mike Tancsa wrote: >> I ran into a rather strange problem I dont understand. With my nanobsd >> image, if I comment out >> >> hint.sio.0.flags="0x10" >> or >> hint.uart.0.flags="0x10" >> from /boot/device.hints >> >> I get the RAM disks mounted twice ?! >> >> eg. >> >> # df >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/ad0s1a 245239 98076 127544 43% / >> devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev >> /dev/md0 4526 1784 2380 43% /etc >> /dev/md1 27990 124 25628 0% /var >> /dev/md2 4526 1788 2376 43% /etc >> /dev/md3 27990 436 25316 2% /var >> >> /boot.config is empty and /boot/loader.conf has >> >> hw.ata.ata_dma=0 >> hw.ata.atapi_dma=0 >> beastie_disable="YES" # Turn the beastie boot menu on and off >> #comconsole_speed="19200" >> #console="nullconsole" >> autoboot_delay="4 >> >> having nullconsole doesnt seem to matter any. The device.hints >> modification seems to be the single thing that effects this behavior. > > > I accidentally found a work around to this issue while playing with a > firewall console on a box with no serial ports. If I add to my stock > NANOBSD image the boot loader option > > boot_multicons="YES" > dcons_load="YES" > > The double mount issue goes away.... > > I havent found much documentation about multicons/dcons and its > implications. Apart from a bit of RAM it uses for the kernel, are there > any disadvantages of using it to work around the double mount issue ? > > ---Mike Apparently something goes wrong during /etc/rc processing if there's no console at all. Having a dcons_load="YES" in loader.conf creates a console even if there's no hardware attached to it. I think that boot_multicons="YES" can even be omitted here. Could you please do one more test? Add rc_debug="YES" to rc.conf and take boot_multicons="YES" and dcons_load="YES" out of loader.conf. This should give you two /etc and two /var mounts again. Then post the output of dmesg -a as it should reveal when and probably also why these filesystems get mounted twice. Regards, Paul Schenkeveld From mike at sentex.net Sat Jan 3 02:13:25 2009 From: mike at sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) Date: Sat Jan 3 02:13:31 2009 Subject: Strange nanobsd issue In-Reply-To: <20090102215614.GA12372@psconsult.nl> References: <7.1.0.9.0.20070704124538.26bfe960@sentex.net> <200901021519.n02FJn2E090929@lava.sentex.ca> <20090102215614.GA12372@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: <200901030213.n032DNCc093437@lava.sentex.ca> At 04:56 PM 1/2/2009, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > >> > >> having nullconsole doesnt seem to matter any. The device.hints > >> modification seems to be the single thing that effects this behavior. > >Apparently something goes wrong during /etc/rc processing if there's >no console at all. Having a dcons_load="YES" in loader.conf creates >a console even if there's no hardware attached to it. I think that >boot_multicons="YES" can even be omitted here. > >Could you please do one more test? Add rc_debug="YES" to rc.conf >and take boot_multicons="YES" and dcons_load="YES" out of loader.conf. >This should give you two /etc and two /var mounts again. Then post the >output of dmesg -a as it should reveal when and probably also why these >filesystems get mounted twice. Hi, You are right about having just the dcons. Thats all that is needed. In terms of dmesg -a, it doesnt haven anything when I dont have a console of some sort defined :( Is there any other way to get rc to save its output elsewhere ? ---Mike From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Jan 5 11:06:50 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Jan 5 11:07:40 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200901051106.n05B6nOM002739@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/101228 embedded [nanobsd] [patch] Two more entries for FlashDevice.sub o misc/52256 embedded [picobsd] picobsd build script does not read in user/s o kern/42728 embedded [picobsd] many problems in src/usr.sbin/ppp/* after c o misc/15876 embedded [picobsd] PicoBSD message of the day problems 4 problems total. From bms at FreeBSD.org Mon Jan 5 13:58:20 2009 From: bms at FreeBSD.org (Bruce M. Simpson) Date: Mon Jan 5 13:58:27 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <200901051106.n05B6nOM002739@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200901051106.n05B6nOM002739@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <496211F9.7010503@FreeBSD.org> FreeBSD bugmaster wrote: > S Tracker Resp. Description > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > o kern/101228 embedded [nanobsd] [patch] Two more entries for FlashDevice.sub > This should probably go in (phk?) > o misc/52256 embedded [picobsd] picobsd build script does not read in user/s > o kern/42728 embedded [picobsd] many problems in src/usr.sbin/ppp/* after c > o misc/15876 embedded [picobsd] PicoBSD message of the day problems > Can't we just parcel this stuff off into a separate category? BugZilla would make that somewhat easier, of course I don't maintain GNATS so I can't speak for that either, though it seems to me we have been fast running into its operational limitations for years now. PicoBSD is pretty old hat, IMHO. Of course I can't speak for everyone, I just don't really have any interest in maintaining PicoBSD now that floppies are pretty much obsolete, and the code to generate USB bootable NanoBSD images is in the 7.x train. cheers BMS From nick at van-laarhoven.org Mon Jan 5 15:19:28 2009 From: nick at van-laarhoven.org (Nick Hibma) Date: Mon Jan 5 15:19:35 2009 Subject: Strange nanobsd issue In-Reply-To: <200901030213.n032DNCc093437@lava.sentex.ca> References: <7.1.0.9.0.20070704124538.26bfe960@sentex.net> <20090102215614.GA12372@psconsult.nl> <200901030213.n032DNCc093437@lava.sentex.ca> Message-ID: <200901051232.58245.nick@van-laarhoven.org> This sounds similar to the problem I described in the following PR. Perhaps you could describe your work-around in it. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/102515 Cheers, Nick > At 04:56 PM 1/2/2009, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > > >> having nullconsole doesnt seem to matter any. The device.hints > > >> modification seems to be the single thing that effects this > > >> behavior. > > > >Apparently something goes wrong during /etc/rc processing if there's > >no console at all. Having a dcons_load="YES" in loader.conf creates > >a console even if there's no hardware attached to it. I think that > >boot_multicons="YES" can even be omitted here. > > > >Could you please do one more test? Add rc_debug="YES" to rc.conf > >and take boot_multicons="YES" and dcons_load="YES" out of loader.conf. > >This should give you two /etc and two /var mounts again. Then post the > >output of dmesg -a as it should reveal when and probably also why these > >filesystems get mounted twice. > > Hi, > You are right about having just the dcons. Thats all that is > needed. In terms of dmesg -a, it doesnt haven anything when I dont > have a console of some sort defined :( > > Is there any other way to get rc to save its output elsewhere ? > > ---Mike > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-embedded > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-embedded-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From mah at jump-ing.de Sun Jan 11 16:31:09 2009 From: mah at jump-ing.de (Markus Hitter) Date: Sun Jan 11 16:31:16 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box Message-ID: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> Hello all, it's me again :-) Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, I decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but a tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. The non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re network driver. The tinybsd settings and set of files is exactly the same as the one which worked flawlessly in 7.0 Release. Yet, the symptoms are: - DHCP doesn't catch the DHCP server's response any longer. - Setting up networking manually helps to get this up. - I can ssh out of the box, but not into the box. - If I start telnetd on the box manually in the console, I can telnet into the box. - lighttpd refuses to pick up his work. - The odd is: Not a single error message in sight, connections just hang or time out. - /var/log doesn't contain a hint. Now a 15-year-unix veteran looks pretty baffled. To illustrate this, I've copied the output of an attempt to run dhclient from the console and an attempt to ssh into the box below. Any ideas anybody what's going on here? Thanks, Markus - - - snip - - - root@git# dhclient re0 DHCPDISCOVER on re0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7 DHCPOFFER from 10.0.0.1 [... about five minutes pause ...] ^C# mah@piccard:~$ ssh -v git OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Connecting to git [10.0.0.20] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/mah/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/mah/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/mah/.ssh/id_dsa type 2 debug1: Checking blacklist file /usr/share/ssh/blacklist.DSA-1024 debug1: Checking blacklist file /etc/ssh/blacklist.DSA-1024 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901 debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 FreeBSD-20080901 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-3ubuntu1 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST(1024<1024<8192) sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY debug1: Host 'git' is known and matches the DSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/mah/.ssh/known_hosts:15 debug1: ssh_dss_verify: signature correct debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received [... about a minute pause here ...] Connection closed by 10.0.0.20 mah@piccard:~$ - - - snip - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ From jhein at timing.com Sun Jan 11 19:37:48 2009 From: jhein at timing.com (John Hein) Date: Sun Jan 11 19:37:54 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box In-Reply-To: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> References: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> Message-ID: <18794.45109.504512.894659@gromit.timing.com> Markus Hitter wrote at 01:31 +0100 on Jan 12, 2009: > Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, I > decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The > virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but a > tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. The > non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re > network driver. What happens if you build a kernel with the 7.0 version of sys/dev/re/if_re.c? You may have to roll back sys/pci/if_rlreg.h too. What happens to the link light while these things are happening? From mah at jump-ing.de Mon Jan 12 00:52:10 2009 From: mah at jump-ing.de (Markus Hitter) Date: Mon Jan 12 00:52:18 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box In-Reply-To: <18794.45109.504512.894659@gromit.timing.com> References: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> <18794.45109.504512.894659@gromit.timing.com> Message-ID: <78392165-0ACF-4473-8C34-72E5147B344C@jump-ing.de> Am 12.01.2009 um 03:51 schrieb John Hein: > Markus Hitter wrote at 01:31 +0100 on Jan 12, 2009: >> Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, I >> decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The >> virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but a >> tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. The >> non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re >> network driver. > > What happens if you build a kernel with the 7.0 version of > sys/dev/re/if_re.c? You may have to roll back sys/pci/if_rlreg.h too. The exactly same (had to roll back sys/pci/if_rl.c as well). > What happens to the link light while these things are happening? The green light stays on, the yellow one flickers, just like expected. Obviously, the transmission gets interrupted at some higher level. Do I really have to bisect the entire kernel with it's 10,000 revisions now? *sigh* MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Jan 12 03:06:50 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Jan 12 03:07:37 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200901121106.n0CB6njK091940@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/101228 embedded [nanobsd] [patch] Two more entries for FlashDevice.sub o misc/52256 embedded [picobsd] picobsd build script does not read in user/s o kern/42728 embedded [picobsd] many problems in src/usr.sbin/ppp/* after c o misc/15876 embedded [picobsd] PicoBSD message of the day problems 4 problems total. From jhein at timing.com Tue Jan 13 07:12:35 2009 From: jhein at timing.com (John Hein) Date: Tue Jan 13 07:12:42 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box In-Reply-To: <78392165-0ACF-4473-8C34-72E5147B344C@jump-ing.de> References: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> <18794.45109.504512.894659@gromit.timing.com> <78392165-0ACF-4473-8C34-72E5147B344C@jump-ing.de> Message-ID: <18796.44888.658271.953215@gromit.timing.com> Markus Hitter wrote at 09:52 +0100 on Jan 12, 2009: > > Am 12.01.2009 um 03:51 schrieb John Hein: > > > Markus Hitter wrote at 01:31 +0100 on Jan 12, 2009: > >> Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, I > >> decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The > >> virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but a > >> tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. The > >> non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re > >> network driver. > > > > What happens if you build a kernel with the 7.0 version of > > sys/dev/re/if_re.c? You may have to roll back sys/pci/if_rlreg.h too. > > The exactly same (had to roll back sys/pci/if_rl.c as well). > > > What happens to the link light while these things are happening? > > The green light stays on, the yellow one flickers, just like expected. > > Obviously, the transmission gets interrupted at some higher level. Do > I really have to bisect the entire kernel with it's 10,000 revisions > now? *sigh* My guess was the first obvious one I could think of since I knew changes happened in the re/rl drivers. I can't think of anything else obvious between 7.0 & 7.1 that would affect this (particularly since I have an re that works fine in 7.1 - at least a 7.1 from, say, September). As far as bisecting goes, I recommend binary search by date on the RELENG_7 branch rather than trying to rollback individual revs. Note that cvs 1.12 allows checking out by date (-D) on a branch (-rRELENG_7) (but not 1.11). Or you can use cvsup to help with that I think. From imp at bsdimp.com Tue Jan 13 08:21:05 2009 From: imp at bsdimp.com (M. Warner Losh) Date: Tue Jan 13 08:21:12 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box In-Reply-To: <18796.44888.658271.953215@gromit.timing.com> References: <18794.45109.504512.894659@gromit.timing.com> <78392165-0ACF-4473-8C34-72E5147B344C@jump-ing.de> <18796.44888.658271.953215@gromit.timing.com> Message-ID: <20090113.091931.-1115301799.imp@bsdimp.com> In message: <18796.44888.658271.953215@gromit.timing.com> John Hein writes: : Markus Hitter wrote at 09:52 +0100 on Jan 12, 2009: : > : > Am 12.01.2009 um 03:51 schrieb John Hein: : > : > > Markus Hitter wrote at 01:31 +0100 on Jan 12, 2009: : > >> Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, I : > >> decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The : > >> virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but a : > >> tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. The : > >> non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re : > >> network driver. : > > : > > What happens if you build a kernel with the 7.0 version of : > > sys/dev/re/if_re.c? You may have to roll back sys/pci/if_rlreg.h too. : > : > The exactly same (had to roll back sys/pci/if_rl.c as well). : > : > > What happens to the link light while these things are happening? : > : > The green light stays on, the yellow one flickers, just like expected. : > : > Obviously, the transmission gets interrupted at some higher level. Do : > I really have to bisect the entire kernel with it's 10,000 revisions : > now? *sigh* : : My guess was the first obvious one I could think of since I knew : changes happened in the re/rl drivers. I can't think of anything else : obvious between 7.0 & 7.1 that would affect this (particularly since I : have an re that works fine in 7.1 - at least a 7.1 from, say, : September). : : As far as bisecting goes, I recommend binary search by date on the : RELENG_7 branch rather than trying to rollback individual revs. Note : that cvs 1.12 allows checking out by date (-D) on a branch : (-rRELENG_7) (but not 1.11). Or you can use cvsup to help with that I : think. I also think there were some bugs fixed in re/rl in stable lately... Warner From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Jan 19 03:06:56 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Jan 19 03:07:29 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200901191106.n0JB6tDO062915@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/101228 embedded [nanobsd] [patch] Two more entries for FlashDevice.sub o misc/52256 embedded [picobsd] picobsd build script does not read in user/s o kern/42728 embedded [picobsd] many problems in src/usr.sbin/ppp/* after c o misc/15876 embedded [picobsd] PicoBSD message of the day problems 4 problems total. From Daan at vehosting.nl Mon Jan 19 03:59:57 2009 From: Daan at vehosting.nl (Daan Vreeken) Date: Mon Jan 19 04:00:04 2009 Subject: PowerPC embedded board? Message-ID: <200901191259.50518.Daan@vehosting.nl> Hi all, For a new product I am looking for an embedded powerpc board. For the project we need the following : o A board that can (in the near future) boot FreeBSD. o Support for hardware floating point arithmetic. o The board should have some form of bus / IO to connect custom-made peripheral(s) to. Searching the internet I've already stumbled upon the Efika [1] and SAM440 [2] boards, which both look promising, but as far as my Google-skills go, it looks like both boards need more work to get FreeBSD fully functional on them. I'm thinking of buying a couple of boards and helping an interested developer by either setting up a compile & test environment that is accessible over ssh, or donating an entire board (or both :) So I've got some questions : o Are there more interresting boards I could/should consider? (Or even boards that can already run FreeBSD?) o What board is most likely to grow FreeBSD support in the near future? o What parts are currently missing to get these boards up and running? 1: http://www.efika.de/index_en.html , http://www.directron.com/efikakit1.html 2: http://sam440.com/eng/sam440ep-flex.html Kind regards, -- Daan Vreeken VEHosting http://VEHosting.nl tel: +31-(0)40-7113050 / +31-(0)6-46210825 KvK nr: 17174380 From raj at semihalf.com Mon Jan 19 05:30:05 2009 From: raj at semihalf.com (Rafal Jaworowski) Date: Mon Jan 19 05:30:15 2009 Subject: PowerPC embedded board? In-Reply-To: <200901191259.50518.Daan@vehosting.nl> References: <200901191259.50518.Daan@vehosting.nl> Message-ID: <49747ABA.9090606@semihalf.com> Daan Vreeken wrote: > For a new product I am looking for an embedded powerpc board. For the project > we need the following : > o A board that can (in the near future) boot FreeBSD. > o Support for hardware floating point arithmetic. > o The board should have some form of bus / IO to connect custom-made > peripheral(s) to. Other than what you alrady pointed out, what is the overall profile of this deployment i.e. what level of horse power do you need, networking throughput etc.? > Searching the internet I've already stumbled upon the Efika [1] and SAM440 [2] > boards, which both look promising, but as far as my Google-skills go, it > looks like both boards need more work to get FreeBSD fully functional on > them. > I'm thinking of buying a couple of boards and helping an interested developer > by either setting up a compile & test environment that is accessible over > ssh, or donating an entire board (or both :) Both MPC5200 (Efika) and PPC440 (SAM440 and others) require quite a bit of work to turn into a reliable system to be used in a commercial product. They are both at a very similar stage: the kernel initially boots, interrupt controller driver ready, console (UART), work is in progress towards getting user-space pieces together, getting single user shell etc. In both cases virtually all remaining on-chip peripherals need respective drivers newly developed. > So I've got some questions : > o Are there more interresting boards I could/should consider? (Or even boards > that can already run FreeBSD?) > o What board is most likely to grow FreeBSD support in the near future? > o What parts are currently missing to get these boards up and running? Ready to use and stable is the port for higher-end PowerPC systems: PowerQUICC MPC85xx series based on the E500 (BookE) core. You'll find all integrated peripherals supported, although the default environment with regards to the floating point support is running with emulation and not native hard-floats (due to various implemetations of the FPU, or the lack of). Rafal From Daan at vehosting.nl Mon Jan 19 07:18:13 2009 From: Daan at vehosting.nl (Daan Vreeken) Date: Mon Jan 19 07:18:40 2009 Subject: PowerPC embedded board? In-Reply-To: <49747ABA.9090606@semihalf.com> References: <200901191259.50518.Daan@vehosting.nl> <49747ABA.9090606@semihalf.com> Message-ID: <200901191618.06297.Daan@vehosting.nl> Hi Rafal, On Monday 19 January 2009 14:06:02 Rafal Jaworowski wrote: > Daan Vreeken wrote: > > For a new product I am looking for an embedded powerpc board. For the > > project we need the following : > > o A board that can (in the near future) boot FreeBSD. > > o Support for hardware floating point arithmetic. > > o The board should have some form of bus / IO to connect custom-made > > peripheral(s) to. > > Other than what you alrady pointed out, what is the overall profile of this > deployment i.e. what level of horse power do you need, networking > throughput etc.? The processor will be used for coordinate transformations in a real-time position control system. We only need a small amount of memory. A network interface would be very nice to have, but it's only used for live debugging and to update software/firmware, so I could live without if needed. What I really need, is a processor that can do a fair amount sine / cosine's per second. I've done some tests with Linux on an MPC5200 board running at 400MHz. ( http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5200 ) The processor has more than enough processing power to run our code, but I'm looking for a (preferably cheap) alternative that can run FreeBSD (with some help). > > Searching the internet I've already stumbled upon the Efika [1] and > > SAM440 [2] boards, which both look promising, but as far as my > > Google-skills go, it looks like both boards need more work to get FreeBSD > > fully functional on them. > > I'm thinking of buying a couple of boards and helping an interested > > developer by either setting up a compile & test environment that is > > accessible over ssh, or donating an entire board (or both :) > > Both MPC5200 (Efika) and PPC440 (SAM440 and others) require quite a bit of > work to turn into a reliable system to be used in a commercial product. > They are both at a very similar stage: the kernel initially boots, > interrupt controller driver ready, console (UART), work is in progress > towards getting user-space pieces together, getting single user shell etc. > In both cases virtually all remaining on-chip peripherals need respective > drivers newly developed. Given enough hardware documentation, I have no problem with writing a couple of drivers. The thing I'm not familiar with, is the lower level development of getting a new platform to run FreeBSD. (I have never touched FreeBSD's VM subsystem for example.) What would be needed to get either of these boards to a single user shell? > > So I've got some questions : > > o Are there more interresting boards I could/should consider? (Or even > > boards that can already run FreeBSD?) > > o What board is most likely to grow FreeBSD support in the near future? > > o What parts are currently missing to get these boards up and running? > > Ready to use and stable is the port for higher-end PowerPC systems: > PowerQUICC MPC85xx series based on the E500 (BookE) core. You'll find all > integrated peripherals supported, although the default environment with > regards to the floating point support is running with emulation and not > native hard-floats (due to various implemetations of the FPU, or the lack > of). What would be needed to get hardware floating point to be supported? Is it something that could be imported from NetBSD? Thanks, -- Daan Vreeken VEHosting http://VEHosting.nl tel: +31-(0)40-7113050 / +31-(0)6-46210825 KvK nr: 17174380 From raj at semihalf.com Mon Jan 19 08:33:22 2009 From: raj at semihalf.com (Rafal Jaworowski) Date: Mon Jan 19 08:33:29 2009 Subject: PowerPC embedded board? In-Reply-To: <200901191618.06297.Daan@vehosting.nl> References: <200901191259.50518.Daan@vehosting.nl> <49747ABA.9090606@semihalf.com> <200901191618.06297.Daan@vehosting.nl> Message-ID: <4974AB4D.9040204@semihalf.com> Hi Daan, Daan Vreeken wrote: >>> Searching the internet I've already stumbled upon the Efika [1] and >>> SAM440 [2] boards, which both look promising, but as far as my >>> Google-skills go, it looks like both boards need more work to get FreeBSD >>> fully functional on them. >>> I'm thinking of buying a couple of boards and helping an interested >>> developer by either setting up a compile & test environment that is >>> accessible over ssh, or donating an entire board (or both :) >> Both MPC5200 (Efika) and PPC440 (SAM440 and others) require quite a bit of >> work to turn into a reliable system to be used in a commercial product. >> They are both at a very similar stage: the kernel initially boots, >> interrupt controller driver ready, console (UART), work is in progress >> towards getting user-space pieces together, getting single user shell etc. >> In both cases virtually all remaining on-chip peripherals need respective >> drivers newly developed. > > Given enough hardware documentation, I have no problem with writing a couple > of drivers. The thing I'm not familiar with, is the lower level development > of getting a new platform to run FreeBSD. (I have never touched FreeBSD's VM > subsystem for example.) > What would be needed to get either of these boards to a single user shell? We're almost there with regards to running from ramdisk based mini-root fs. In case of a more elaborate (full) environment you'd need some kind of storage for the root fs: 1. MPC5200 - built-in ATA controller (getting this to work with DMA will be painful as relies on bringing operation to the microcode-based BestComm engine first) - built-in USB (OHCI), should be relatively easy, with a bit of luck only bus attachment is required 2. 440EP - no integrated S/ATA, the SAM board you mentioned has some external Silicon Image controller, so a driver would be needed for that - built-in USB (not sure if this has any standard host I/F implementation though) >>> So I've got some questions : >>> o Are there more interresting boards I could/should consider? (Or even >>> boards that can already run FreeBSD?) >>> o What board is most likely to grow FreeBSD support in the near future? >>> o What parts are currently missing to get these boards up and running? >> Ready to use and stable is the port for higher-end PowerPC systems: >> PowerQUICC MPC85xx series based on the E500 (BookE) core. You'll find all >> integrated peripherals supported, although the default environment with >> regards to the floating point support is running with emulation and not >> native hard-floats (due to various implemetations of the FPU, or the lack >> of). > > What would be needed to get hardware floating point to be supported? Is it > something that could be imported from NetBSD? Note we're talking about hard-floats for Book-E systems, which are very different from the traditional PowerPC FPU. Since NetBSD doesn't have support for any Book-E system, so it wouldn't be of direct help I think. There are at least two ways to support this: - gcc level - newer gcc (4.2.x IIRC) are able to produce machine code for native E500 FP - interface libc with native E500 FP Neither should be enormously difficult, so let me know if you'd like to work on this :-) The problem is in varieties: some Book-E cores don't have the FP APU and from the FreeBSD/powerpc project perspective we'd need something flexible and uniform enough so that different core variations still work (not to mention the traditional, AIM, PowerPC FPU..). Rafal From adrian at hostonfiber.com Tue Jan 20 15:53:34 2009 From: adrian at hostonfiber.com (Adrian Owen) Date: Tue Jan 20 15:53:41 2009 Subject: ITuner picoLCD 20x2 Message-ID: Hello. I build the attached port and have the LCD things all working as expected. Unfortunately I have very sporadic and seemingly random response to the buttons on the M200 keypad. Using a windows machine I did verify that the hardware functioned as expected. Has anyone gotten this to work and if so how? I can certainly spend some time on this, but I am not familiar with driver or kernel programming whatsoever. Thanks, Adrian > Hi all, > > I'm looking at building a wi-fi point using an ALIX.1c board and I'm > currently evaluating cases for it. I noticed this fine case but I'm > wondering if anyone has any experience getting the LCD display working on > it which is an ITuner picoLCD 20x2: > > http://www.mini-box.com/M200-LCD-Enclosure > > A quick look through usbdevs shows an entry that should recognize it. We > have lcdproc in ports which has a driver (though, not built by the port > currently) for it but it relies on the vendor supplied usblcd library > which is at least available via source. Before I spend twice as much as > the model below it I'd like to know if anyone has had any luck with it. Okay, attached is a port for the driver. I had to "work around" our lack usb_get_driver_np() and usb_detach_kernel_driver_np() in libusb. By "work around" I mean "comment out" since I couldn't find any patches in the ports tree as an example of how to patch this correctly, only googled comments about doing that to get other devices to work on FreeBSD. I'd like to fix this correctly though. If anyone has one of these hanging around please let me know if it works. Thanks. tom -- | tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org tmclaugh at FreeBSD.org | | FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | -------------- next part -------------- # This is a shell archive. Save it in a file, remove anything before # this line, and then unpack it by entering "sh file". Note, it may # create directories; files and directories will be owned by you and # have default permissions. # # This archive contains: # # ./usblcd # ./usblcd/Makefile # ./usblcd/distinfo # ./usblcd/pkg-descr # ./usblcd/files # ./usblcd/files/patch-lib_hid.c # ./usblcd/files/patch-autogen.c # ./usblcd/pkg-plist # echo c - ./usblcd mkdir -p ./usblcd > /dev/null 2>&1 echo x - ./usblcd/Makefile sed 's/^X//' >./usblcd/Makefile << 'END-of-./usblcd/Makefile' X# New ports collection makefile for: usblcd X# Date created: 10 November 2007 X# Whom: tom McLaughlin X# X# $FreeBSD$ X# X XPORTNAME= usblcd XPORTVERSION= 0.1.4 XCATEGORIES= devel XMASTER_SITES= http://resources.mini-box.com/online/picoLCD%2020x2%20(OEM)/Software/Linux/Binaries/ XDISTNAME= ${PORTNAME}-src-${PORTVERSION} XEXTRACT_SUFX= .tgz X XWRKSRC= ${WRKDIR}/${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION} X XMAINTAINER= tmclaugh at FreeBSD.org XCOMMENT= Library for the Mini-Box picoLCD 2x20 USB display X XLIB_DEPENDS= usb:${PORTSDIR}/devel/libusb X XUSE_LDCONFIG= yes XUSE_AUTOTOOLS= libtool:15 automake:19 autoconf:261 XGNU_CONFIGURE= yes XCONFIGURE_TARGET= --build=${MACHINE_ARCH}-portbld-freebsd${OSREL} XCONFIGURE_ENV+= CPPFLAGS="-I${LOCALBASE}/include" \ X LDFLAGS="-L${LOCALBASE}/lib" X Xpost-patch: X @${REINPLACE_CMD} 's|[(]libdir[)]/pkgconfig|(prefix)/libdata/ pkgconfig|g' ${WRKSRC}/Makefile.am X Xpre-configure: X @cd ${WRKSRC}; ${AUTOTOOLS_ENV} ${SH} ./autogen.sh X X.include END-of-./usblcd/Makefile echo x - ./usblcd/distinfo sed 's/^X//' >./usblcd/distinfo << 'END-of-./usblcd/distinfo' XMD5 (usblcd-src-0.1.4.tgz) = d4b6e4fca4006dab3fca99c948756880 XSHA256 (usblcd-src-0.1.4.tgz) = e3a37fda1145d41998385dfd34d55793ff2788e33c220e5882c487369d9af4d9 XSIZE (usblcd-src-0.1.4.tgz) = 76712 END-of-./usblcd/distinfo echo x - ./usblcd/pkg-descr sed 's/^X//' >./usblcd/pkg-descr << 'END-of-./usblcd/pkg-descr' XThe Mini-Box USB LCD is an intelligent 2x20 character USB LCD display Xmodule with InfraRed receiver and keypad interface. It has a built in X8x5 dots ASCII character font with 8 used definable characters and Xprovides 8 GPO (General Purpose Output) pins. Internal EEPROM allows Xfirmware upgrading and splash screen definition. On power on XMini-Box USB LCD is able to show up to 10 user defined splash screns Xwith custom timing, order and led/gpo status. X XWWW: http://www.mini-box.com/picoLCD-20x2-OEM END-of-./usblcd/pkg-descr echo c - ./usblcd/files mkdir -p ./usblcd/files > /dev/null 2>&1 echo x - ./usblcd/files/patch-lib_hid.c sed 's/^X//' >./usblcd/files/patch-lib_hid.c << 'END-of-./usblcd/files/ patch-lib_hid.c' X--- lib/hid.c.orig 2006-12-07 15:30:30.000000000 -0500 X+++ lib/hid.c 2007-11-10 10:46:24.621463000 -0500 X@@ -140,13 +140,13 @@ X X signal(SIGTERM, release_usb_device); X X- ret = usb_get_driver_np((*hiddev)->handle, 0, buf, sizeof(buf)); X+/* ret = usb_get_driver_np((*hiddev)->handle, 0, buf, sizeof(buf)); X X if (ret == 0) { X printf("interface 0 already claimed by driver \"%s\", attempting to detach it\n", buf); X ret = usb_detach_kernel_driver_np((*hiddev)->handle, 0); X printf("usb_detach_kernel_driver_np returned %d\n", ret); X- } X+ }*/ X ret = usb_claim_interface((*hiddev)->handle, 0); X if (ret != 0) { X printf("claim failed with error %d\n", ret); END-of-./usblcd/files/patch-lib_hid.c echo x - ./usblcd/files/patch-autogen.c sed 's/^X//' >./usblcd/files/patch-autogen.c << 'END-of-./usblcd/files/ patch-autogen.c' X--- autogen.sh.orig 2006-01-08 23:03:23.000000000 -0500 X+++ autogen.sh 2007-11-10 11:57:45.181418000 -0500 X@@ -58,15 +58,15 @@ X echo "Generating configuration files for $package, please wait...." X X echo " aclocal $ACLOCAL_FLAGS" X-aclocal $ACLOCAL_FLAGS X+$ACLOCAL $ACLOCAL_FLAGS X echo " autoheader" X-autoheader X+$AUTOHEADER X echo " libtoolize --automake" X-libtoolize --automake X+$LIBTOOLIZE --automake X echo " automake --add-missing" X-automake --add-missing X+$AUTOMAKE --add-missing X echo " autoconf" X-autoconf X+$AUTOCONF X X cd $olddir X-$srcdir/configure "$@" && echo X+#$srcdir/configure "$@" && echo END-of-./usblcd/files/patch-autogen.c echo x - ./usblcd/pkg-plist sed 's/^X//' >./usblcd/pkg-plist << 'END-of-./usblcd/pkg-plist' Xbin/usblcd Xinclude/driver.h Xinclude/usblcd.h Xinclude/usblcd_util.h Xinclude/widgets.h Xlib/libusblcd.a Xlib/libusblcd.la Xlib/libusblcd.so Xlib/libusblcd.so.0 Xlibdata/pkgconfig/libusblcd.pc END-of-./usblcd/pkg-plist exit From mah at jump-ing.de Sat Jan 24 15:51:43 2009 From: mah at jump-ing.de (Markus Hitter) Date: Sat Jan 24 15:51:50 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box In-Reply-To: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> References: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> Message-ID: <772022D1-ED02-421A-AF18-A33EDC58DB0E@jump-ing.de> Am 12.01.2009 um 01:31 schrieb Markus Hitter: > Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, > I decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The > virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but > a tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. > The non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re > network driver. A small followup: I'm finished bisecting, found a culprit and filed a bug: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=130957 Now I'm wondering why this change didn't make trouble earlier. MarKus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ From jhein at timing.com Sat Jan 24 16:06:35 2009 From: jhein at timing.com (John Hein) Date: Sat Jan 24 16:06:42 2009 Subject: 7.1 Release broke my box In-Reply-To: <772022D1-ED02-421A-AF18-A33EDC58DB0E@jump-ing.de> References: <5A12A808-AC77-478A-A5E8-A13B63EEC3A1@jump-ing.de> <772022D1-ED02-421A-AF18-A33EDC58DB0E@jump-ing.de> Message-ID: <18811.44294.483345.584798@gromit.timing.com> Markus Hitter wrote at 00:51 +0100 on Jan 25, 2009: > Am 12.01.2009 um 01:31 schrieb Markus Hitter: > > > Last Friday, after seeing ext2fs doesn't work with the 7.0 kernel, > > I decided to do yet another step and upgrade to 7.1 Release. The > > virtual machine for building tinybsd setup and ran flawlessly, but > > a tinybsd image built from it doesn't like networking any longer. > > The non-working box is a Geode-based Flepo Alpha, which uses the re > > network driver. > > A small followup: > > I'm finished bisecting, found a culprit and filed a bug: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=130957 > > Now I'm wondering why this change didn't make trouble earlier. I assume resource_list_alloc is returning NULL on your platform (before and after 181771)? And it's just that the new code after jhb's change just handles the failure differently that imp's code before the change. From lawrence.auster at att.net Sun Jan 25 07:46:51 2009 From: lawrence.auster at att.net (Lawrence Auster) Date: Sun Jan 25 07:47:21 2009 Subject: Why are the Zionist leaders in Israel so happy about the new President? Message-ID: <20090125151620.KCAX22141.cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com@2ao1z> Why is the President of Israel, the terrorist who just oversaw the Zionist mass murder and maiming of thousands of Palestinians so happy that Obama is President of the USA? by David Duke Read the excerpt from the Israeli News about how President Perez and Israel think that Obama’s becoming U.S. President is great day for Israel. "Israel’s President Shimon Peres ecstatic over the election of Obama" Ronen Medzini Israel News Jan. 21 “Today is a great day not only for the United States of America, but for the entire world,” President Shimon Peres wrote in a letter addressed to Barack Obama on the day of his inauguration as president of the United States. “Obama was elected by the United States, but as a matter of fact, he was chosen by the whole of humankind,” Why is Peres so ecstatic? Why shouldn’t he be, he knows that Obama is completely in the grip of the extremist Jewish Zionists in America, and he knows that the greater Obama’s popularity and idol worship, the more Obama can do for the International Zionist Cause. Any thinking and caring human being who realizes that the Zionist-controlled American foreign policy has been a disaster for the robbed and murdered people of Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and a catastrophe for the 50,000 American wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as an economic catastrophe for the hardworking Americans who pay trillions to finance these wars for Israel — must wake up the fact that supporting Obama and increasing his popularity will only aid Zionist terrorism, war, and their murder and oppression of the Palestinians. It will also hasten the economic suffering of billions of people around the world as his popularity enables him to more easily aid the Zionist International Bankers steal the wealth of the United States, Europe and the world. Obama is totally in the bloodstained and green ink- stained hands of the Zionists. The hard truth is that the more good will and support Obama has also gives more power to support the Zionist agenda! Mark my words. The Obama Presidency will be disaster for America and for the world. Obama was put into office by the Zionists. His top two cohorts for years have been the radical Jews David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel. Both have long records of radical Zionism and have been attack dogs against anyone perceived as having the slightest opposition to Israel. One such victim was Sen. Charles Percy, who both men worked to defeat and destroy because he dared to only be 99 percent rather than 100 percent pro-Israel. Rahm Emmanuel, a dual citizen of Israel who went to fight for Israel, he has a long pedigree of Jewish extremism. His father served in the Irgun Terrorist Gang and he himself is named after an Irgun terrorist. Zionist leaders in Chicago actually call Obama “the first Jewish President” and boast that Jews were key players in Obama’s every step up the ladder to President. from the very earliest days, extremist Jews were the largest contributors to his campaign. In the beginning of his Presidential bid, three Hollywood Jews that constantly make movies about Jewish suffering, but never about the Zionist terrorism and theft against the Palestinian people, Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, and Jeffrey Katzenberg raised 1.2 million for Obama in a single Hollywood party. By the time Obama’s campaign was in full swing, he had huge support from the criminal Zionist International Banking firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman brothers. Goldman Sachs was Obama’s biggest single contributor, and his vast war chest came not from American manufacturing firms like GM or even American oil companies, (not one was in his top twenty) it was overwhelmingly dominated by Zionist international bankers, the same ones whose thievery and fraud are giving the world this economic depression. For those looking for meaningful social and political change, do you really think it will come from this man who has already been bought heart, head and soul by the most powerful czars of the international financial establishment and the biggest globalists in the world? I know that many are desperate for change, so desperate that you want to believe anything. But in the face of these facts can’t you see that Obama will be even more dangerous to freedom and justice than even George Bush and his band of Neocons were. What better way to wipe out George Bush’s hated legacy and make the world believe that America has really changed than with the election of Obama. But, all the real Zionist power, Zionist media power, and Zionist financial power in America is still in place, even stronger than ever. Many Americans and others around the world who want to do good are now telling us how wonderful Obama will be as president. What a great change it will be from the old policies. This is because of the Zionist-Controlled media hype, promoting Obama. The fact is that these poor sods are ignorantly helping the radical Zionist agenda in Israel and around the world. Every day that you don’t help expose Obama for the Zionist servant that he actually is, his popularity will be a greater danger to peace and freedom. If the Zionist terrorist Shimon Perez is happy about the coronation of Obama, then why in the hell should you be? –David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/7303_7303.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 Thanks, Lawrence Auster, 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B New York, NY 10025 Contact: lawrence.auster@att.net ------------------------------------- From bugmaster at FreeBSD.org Mon Jan 26 03:06:54 2009 From: bugmaster at FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD bugmaster) Date: Mon Jan 26 03:07:30 2009 Subject: Current problem reports assigned to freebsd-embedded@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <200901261106.n0QB6rUF024210@freefall.freebsd.org> Note: to view an individual PR, use: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=(number). The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/101228 embedded [nanobsd] [patch] Two more entries for FlashDevice.sub o misc/52256 embedded [picobsd] picobsd build script does not read in user/s o kern/42728 embedded [picobsd] many problems in src/usr.sbin/ppp/* after c o misc/15876 embedded [picobsd] PicoBSD message of the day problems 4 problems total. From lawrence.auster at att.net Thu Jan 29 14:28:53 2009 From: lawrence.auster at att.net (Lawrence Auster) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:29:25 2009 Subject: The =?iso-8859-1?q?=93Military=2C?= Industrial =?iso-8859-1?q?Complex=94?= is no more -- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites Message-ID: <20090129220453.LVQW2948.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> The “Military, Industrial Complex” is no more. Today it is the Political, Financial and Media — Zionist Complex! 1/28/2009 An short essay by Dr. David Duke The “Military-Industrial complex” really has no relevance to the real holders of global power today. America is the most powerful military and economic nation on earth. The powers that control the levers of political power in America possess the greatest power the world has ever seen. Who really has power over the government today? Is it the fabled “Military, Industrial Complex”? An effective gauge of direct political power in America is “to discover who provided the pivotal amounts of the billion-dollar recent campaigns for U.S. President. You can look directly at campaign contributions for every candidate from the Federal Election Commission in order to find out who holds the real power in politics. So, who holds the real power over the American political establishment? Let’s first look at who does not hold much power over the establishment. 1) It is not the military. There is not any organized military monetary influence or even significant political influence of the military over the politicians. In fact, no one in military positions of authority are allowed to openly get involved in politics. No active sergeant, lieutenant, or General can send out a directive to the men under him to support or oppose a particular candidate (the one exception I know to that was when the Louisiana commanding general of the National Guard, under Jewish influence, sent a letter to all national guardsmen telling them that it was their “patriotic duty” to vote against David Duke and for the Liberal corrupt former Governor, Edwin Edwards. Even that caused a scandal in military circles, as it should have. 2) It is NOT major manufacturing or even the huge oil companies. There was not one oil company and only a couple of legitimate manufacturing or industrial concerns on Obama and McCain’s top twenty contributor list. The list was completely dominated by Zionist international banking firms. If one combines every defense contractor’s contributions the money they give in politics is minuscule compared to Zionist international banks. They don’t even come close to the power in lobbying that AIPAC and a couple of dozen more Jewish extremist organizations have. Jewish lobbyists literally get almost unanimous support in Congress for outrageous giveaways to Israel, a nation that has committed terrorism against us and killed or maimed scores of Americans. I am not talking about contracts here, I am speaking about giving away billions of dollars to a foreign nation. So, so much for the media-popularized term, the military-industrial complex In direct political money and lobbying then, Zionists are the undisputed masters of the American political establishment. In addition to their control through the use of money as an inducement or a threat, they have tens of thousands of Jewish extremists scattered throughout the entire bureaucracy who are very conscious of supporting their brethren and supporting the organized Jewish agenda. They also are ready to act against any Gentile who dares to go against Israel or the Jewish agenda. How will a Jewish federal judge rule in a huge litigation issue between Jewish and non-Jewish parties? Why was the biggest robber in the history of the world, Bernie Madoff who stole over 50 billion dollars and who ruined tens of thousands of families, only charged with one criminal count, and allowed to stay in his luxury apartment to await trial? Is there an organized Jewish agenda? Absolutely. In fact, the leading and most powerful Jewish groups have a supra-organization called the Council of Presidents (composed of the most powerful 5 dozen Jewish organizations in America). They issue detailed positions not just on Mideast policy but on many other issues that have nothing to do with Israel, aspects of domestic policy including issues such as opening America’s borders. They even assume positions on issues that you wouldn’t even think would have unanimity among Jews, such as abortion rights. Their job is to make sure that Jewish power is absolutely united on what they decide are their common agendas. Next, we must talk about one of the most influential parts of the American political process, the mass media. The media, such as the NY Times and the Washington Post (the newspaper read by every member of America’s government and bureaucracy in Washington). The Washington Post can determine even what issues Congress will discuss and it greatly affects the publicity for or against those issues. Broadcast and cable television also have an enormous impact, and we can include movies, books, magazines and the newspaper chains that reach down into almost every American community. As my chapters in Jewish Supremacism on “Jewish Media Supremacy” document, the ownership, depth and breadth of Jewish influence in the media is simply breathtaking. In media, whether you speak of owners, administrators, managers, editors, producers, writers, correspondents, pundits and reporters, there is an army of Jews who are animated by the Holocaust and the issues of the organized Jewish community. If you haven’t yet read them, you simply must see the evidence on the Jewish supremacy in media I have compiled in my books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening. The other great seat of establishment power is simply money, huge sums of money and the willingness to use those funds on behalf of an agenda. The biggest concentrations of wealth in the world today are in the Zionist international banks, and in financial groups that the Jews completely control such as the Federal Reserve Corporation, the same forces that have led us to the doorstep of a great depression. It is no accident that Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom Bernanke are the last two of the Federal Reserve czars. Even in days of World War I, an immensely rich, Jewish international banker, Jacob Schiff, voiced pride in the fact that he was instrumental in weakening Czarist Russia (the government that Jews universally hated), and that he supported Russia’s enemies so as to make Russia ripe for communist overthrow (Jewish groups brag of his help to Japan in the Russo-Japanese War so as to hurt the Russian government). Schiff also gave millions of dollars to directly finance the Jews who led and organized the Russian revolution and the Bolshevik terror in Russia. There is no disputing of these facts. Plenty of Jewish history books detail all of it. So, frankly, financial power in the control of people who will use it for an agenda is also a key ingredient of real power. Again, the financial power in the hands of modern day Jacob Schiff’s, is an incredibly powerful weapon. So forget about the “Military-Industrial Complex.” That is passe. In today’s world it makes more sense to speak about the “Political, Financial and Media Zionist complex.” That is the real core of power that bends everything whether it be local laws, or giant corporations, to its will. Even if one of the world’s richest firms, such as Microsoft (which is now by the way run by a Jewish extremist), would buck the political, financial, and media Zionist complex, it would be broken by government fiat, the Jewish-influenced courts (such as anti-trust actions), and by vicious attacks by the Jewish-influenced media. Microsoft would either be dismembered or destroyed. Such are the realities of the modern world. There is no longer a “military industrial complex,” but there is a Political and media and financial Zionist complex that rules us and aims to control the whole world. No single part of this behemoth can be defeated, because it can use its other assets to defend the section under attack. It can only be brought down by concentrating all our political and ideological fire right on the core the problem, International Zionism and its driving impetus: Jewish Supremacism. —Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/forget-the-military-industrial-complex-today-its-the-political-financial-and-media-zionist-complex_7394.html ---- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites 1/29/2009 The main argument for affirmative action is that institutions should reflect racial percentages of population, if not there must be de facto racial discrimination. Here is the breakdown of students by race at America’s premier university, Obama’s alma mater, Harvard. Even though non-Jewish White Americans are almost 70 percent of the population and on average score much higher on entrance exams, they are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. So what race is really the victim of racial discrimination? For those who are truly dedicated to stopping racial discrimination, what are you going to do about this massive discrimination, or does it not matter to you because White people happen to be the victims? The hidden, massive racial discrimination that goes on in America against White people! A U.S. Government study offers proof that European Americans face massive institutional racial discrimination that affects millions of the most talented and educated of our people Introduction by Dr. David Duke – As most of you know, the term “white supremacist” has become literally a prefix of my name when I am in the news. It is the media’s way to condition readers not to pay attention to what I say because I am a “white supremacist.” The truth is I am not a White supremacist, and I seek no supremacy or control over any people, but I do demand that the rights of people of European descent to be respected as much as any other people’s rights. The fact is that in the United States of America, Canada, the UK in many areas of Europe Whites face a powerful state-sanctioned, and often mandated, racial discrimination against White people who are better-qualified than their non-White counterparts. It may be surprising to some reading this, but millions of discriminated against Whites are often poorer and who face more difficult social situations than many of their non-White counterparts who are being given preference over them. It also affects the most talented of our people. Many Whites are under the mistaken impression that the White victims of racial discrimination are mostly from the low income and low IQ sectors of the population. Nothing could be further from the truth. In actuality, the percentages of Whites who are victims of racial discrimination are much higher in the sectors of the White population with the highest intelligence and greatest abilities. The facts are shocking, but true. Most people know that most universities have programs of admittance that give less-qualified minorities preference over better-qualified Whites. Almost all of the Fortune 500 largest corporations have affirmative action and diversity programs that discriminate against White people, both male and female, in hiring. They also have programs of discrimination that favor non-Whites in promotions and advancement. This is true in the academic area as well. You can look at almost any academic department of any American university and you will see in place a strong racial bias for “minorities” in preface over Whites in hiring and advancement. Whether you are talking about a university History, English or Math department in almost any university these policies are in place and powerful. These racial discriminatory policies are real, and they can be easily proven to exist. But, now we thanks to a government study, there is even a more powerful way to show their real impact on tens of mi llions of White Americans. The brilliant economist and author whose pen name is Yggdrasil has compiled the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY) 1979, which was a massive study conducted by the Department of Labor to track the lives of 155,000 Americans by race, IQ, income, education and other factors to see how remedial efforts for minorities were doing. It was done after the installation of so called “affirmative action” programs which gave preference to non-White groups over whites. The NLSY study is meant to follow this huge sampling for their entire lives to see how diversity is working out for America. The data is from this ongoing study is tangible proof of the horrendous level of racial discrimination going on against White people. I will link you to Yggdrasil’s fine paper in a moment, but let me first give you a couple of snippets from his work that proves the existence of massive racial discrimination going on against our people. Here is a chart showing the ethnic breakdown of the most prestigious university in the United States of America: Harvard. America’s premier university is extremely expensive (unless you receive special grants and scholarships) and a degree from it just about guarantees its graduates the best paid and prestigious jobs America has to offer. Affirmative action advocates have long said the companies or institutions that don’t reflect the actual racial population percentages are de facto racist and discriminatory. So what is the situation at Harvard, non-Jewish Whites who are about 70 pecent of the American population are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. One should first consider the fact that Whites are represented in the top two percentile level on college admission tests on an average that is a 5 times higher rate than non-White groups. If one then factors in the fact that Whites are also 70 percent of the population, there should be at least 25 times more Whites who would be better qualified than the non-White students currently at Harvard. But even though these Whites are the best and brightest America has to offer they are limited to only 20 percent of Harvard students! Such is nothing more than blatant, racial discrimination. Another interesting fact one can gleam from this chart and many in the NLSY studies that Jewish over-representation is not based simply on the fact that Jews have a high intelligence, they often do twice as well as their intelligence bracket would indicate. Such would suggest the intra-tribal support system for group cohesion and advancements aids their success rate. The NLSY data also shows how incomes today in the USA correlate with race and intelligence. Let’s take a look NLSY tracking studies of intelligent White women, these are White women in the 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket as compared to Black women in that same high 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket. The average Black females of that IQ level earned an average of approximately $54,000 per year through 1996, whereas White females on the same IQ level earned only half of that amount, about $28,000 per year through 1996. When White women in the same intelligent bracket of Black women earn half of the average amount that the Black women do, that’s real racial discrimination. I am not referring here to a few White women who are at least equally qualified but getting half the salary that Black women do, I am talking about the average White women in America! The NLSY is a big enough sample that reflects the whole nation. In fact it is meant to. The average White woman of high intelligence earns one-half of what Black women do of the same intelligence! I obviously don’t like this racial discrimination against our people. Neither does the economist Yggdrasil. We advocate that the best person regardless of race gets whatever college admission or job or promotion their abilities dictate. We have no fear of how well our people will do on a fair playing field. Because we stand for true civil rights, human rights in the matter, we are called racists, and the real capper: “white supremacists.” There are many people in America and around the world who are ignorant of the facts of anti-White racial discrimination. The media acts like it doesn’t exist. Even after the election of an affirmative action African-American President, America is still painted as an anti-Black racist country. The truth is that European Americans are facing racial discrimination in the very institutions and nation that our forefathers created. Our movement is truly a liberation movement like any other in the world that strives for a people to free and live in society of our own values rather than oppressive society imposed upon us. We are not racists or supremacists trying to deny the rights of others. We are human rights activists defending our people’s rights and heritage. –Dr. David Duke Source & Charts : http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-real-racial-discrimination-that-goes-on-in-america_7407.html ----- Obama’s Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team George Mitchell is the new American envoy now in the Mideast. Who is Mitchell and who are the key players in Obama’s Mideast policy team? First, let’s examine the major players on the Obama foreign policy team. Roger Cohen writing in The New York Times on January 11, 2009 wrote some things that if he were a Gentile would have earned him some attacks as an “anti-Semite.” He pointed out the incredible top-heavy pro-Zionist content of the team which is supposed to broker a fair and just peace in the Mideast. In discussing the team he identified them with these words: They include Dennis Ross (the veteran Clinton administration Mideast peace envoy who may now extend his brief to Iran) [a long-time Jewish Zionist]; James Steinberg [Jewish Zionist] (as deputy secretary of state) ; Dan Kurtzer [Jewish Zionist] (the former U.S. ambassador to Israel); Dan Shapiro [Jewish Zionist] (a longtime aide to Obama); and Martin Indyk [Jewish Zionist] another former ambassador to Israel who is close to the incoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.) Now, I have nothing against smart, driven, liberal, Jewish (or half-Jewish) males; I’ve looked in the mirror. I know or have talked to all these guys, except Shapiro. They’re knowledgeable, broad-minded and determined. Still, on the diversity front they fall short. On the change-you-can-believe-in front, they also leave something to be desired. Cohen did not even mention that the two closest advisers to Obama, the guys that filter almost everything that Obama see and hears and makes the day to day decisions of running the oval office. They are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, two long time dedicated Jewish extremists. Emmanuel, son of an Irgun terrorist and named after another Irgun terrorist, even fought in the Israeli Army. Now we come to the new envoy to the Mideast, George Mitchell of Maine, the man who is supposed to be a broadminded and just arbitrator between Israel and the Palestinians. The Jewish-influenced has made a big point of Mitchell’s Lebanese ancestry. What the Zionist media doesn’t tell you is that he has been completely under the control of AIPAC and radical Zionists for years. As Senate Majority Leader he rammed through everything Israel wanted. He even supported the Senate resolution that gave Israel unconditional support during the Zionist massacre of thousands of Gaza civilians. In fact, originally an appointee to the Senate, Mitchell owes his entire Senate career on the massive support given him in 1982 and since by AIPAC and 27 other Jewish extremist controlled political action committees that AIPAC arranged. AIPAC’s Tom Dine summarized AIPAC’s success in Mitchell’s election by saying that “American Jews are thus able to form our own foreign policy agenda.” Of course, Dine spoke the complete and unvarnished truth. American and Israeli extremist Jews do indeed control the foreign policy of the United States. Such control has long gone on in concert with past U.S. Presidents and it goes on today with Obama. Only difference is that today there is a greater danger because many in America and around the world falsely believe that Obama represents change. With the incredible respect and adulation given to Obama, he is in a much better position to support the Zionist war agenda and ultimately do far more harm than a discredited George Bush. Hold on to your hats, America. I predict Obama will usher in war and conflagration that will make George Bush’s presidency seem mild in comparison. He has already announced a doubling of American troops in Afghanistan. Can a catastrophic war with Iran be far behind? Jewish extremists want this war and Obama is completely under their control! – Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for-mideast-peace_7380.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling "to 1 212 865 1284 Thanks, Lawrence Auster, 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B New York, NY 10025 Contact: lawrence.auster@att.net -------------------------------------