Problem with NanoBSD login
Espartano
espartano.mail at gmail.com
Tue Oct 28 05:38:49 UTC 2008
hi people, i have created a NanoBSD image, it boot pretty well.
I'm trying to authenticate as root using a serial console but NanoBSD
doesn't show the correct login prompt, instead NanoBSD show strange
chars and it doesn't let me login in the system.
this is what NanoBSD show at boot time:
Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation.
FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p5 #0: Mon Oct 27 01:48:08 CST 2008
root@:/usr/obj/nanobsd.ALIX_PF/usr/src/sys/ALIX
Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS (498.05-MHz 586-class CPU)
Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x5a2 Stepping = 2
Features=0x88a93d<FPU,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8,SEP,PGE,CMOV,CLFLUSH,MMX>
AMD Features=0xc0400000<MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow!>
real memory = 268435456 (256 MB)
avail memory = 253214720 (241 MB)
pnpbios: Bad PnP BIOS data checksum
K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers)
kbd0 at kbdmux0
ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413)
cryptosoft0: <software crypto> on motherboard
cpu0 on motherboard
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> pcibus 0 on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
pci0: <encrypt/decrypt, entertainment crypto> at device 1.2 (no driver attached)
vr0: <VIA VT6105M Rhine III 10/100BaseTX> port 0x1000-0x10ff mem
0xe0000000-0xe00000ff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0
vr0: Quirks: 0x2
miibus0: <MII bus> on vr0
ukphy0: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> PHY 1 on miibus0
ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
vr0: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface
vr0: Ethernet address: 00:0d:b9:12:6f:00
vr0: [ITHREAD]
vr1: <VIA VT6105M Rhine III 10/100BaseTX> port 0x1400-0x14ff mem
0xe0040000-0xe00400ff irq 11 at device 10.0 on pci0
vr1: Quirks: 0x2
miibus1: <MII bus> on vr1
ukphy1: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> PHY 1 on miibus1
ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
vr1: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface
vr1: Ethernet address: 00:0d:b9:12:6f:01
vr1: [ITHREAD]
vr2: <VIA VT6105M Rhine III 10/100BaseTX> port 0x1800-0x18ff mem
0xe0080000-0xe00800ff irq 12 at device 11.0 on pci0
vr2: Quirks: 0x2
miibus2: <MII bus> on vr2
ukphy2: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> PHY 1 on miibus2
ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
vr2: using obsoleted if_watchdog interface
vr2: Ethernet address: 00:0d:b9:12:6f:02
vr2: [ITHREAD]
isab0: <PCI-ISA bridge> port
0x6000-0x6007,0x6100-0x61ff,0x6200-0x623f,0x9d00-0x9d7f,0x9c00-0x9c3f
at device 15.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <AMD CS5536 UDMA100 controller> port
0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xff00-0xff0f at device 15.2 on
pci0
ata0: <ATA channel 0> on atapci0
ata0: [ITHREAD]
ata1: <ATA channel 1> on atapci0
ata1: [ITHREAD]
pci0: <multimedia, audio> at device 15.3 (no driver attached)
pci0: <serial bus, USB> at device 15.4 (no driver attached)
pci0: <serial bus, USB> at device 15.5 (no driver attached)
pmtimer0 on isa0
orm0: <ISA Option ROM> at iomem 0xe0000-0xeafff pnpid ORM0000 on isa0
ppc0: parallel port not found.
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A, console
sio0: [FILTER]
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1: port may not be enabled
RTC BIOS diagnostic '''÷GG'ç(R)8uÚmecounter "TSC" frequency 498052832
Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
Fast IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing.
ad0: 488MB <SanDisk SDCFB-512 HDX 4.04> at ata0-master WDMA2
Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a
cp: utimes: /var/var: No such file or directory
cp: chown: /var/var: No such file or directory
cp: chmod: /var/var: No such file or directory
cp: chflags: /var/var: No such file or directory
Loading configuration files.
No suitable dump device was found.
Entropy harvesting: interrupts ethernet point_to_point kickstart.
Starting file system checks:
/dev/ad0s1a: FILE SYSTEM CLEAN; SKIPPING CHECKS
/dev/ad0s1a: clean, 547545 free (13473 frags, 66759 blocks, 1.4% fragmentation)
/dev/ad0s3: FILE SYSTEM CLEAN; SKIPPING CHECKS
/dev/ad0s3: clean, 2829 free (21 frags, 351 blocks, 0.7% fragmentation)
Setting hostuuid: 7ddaa94a-bfde-11d3-a30a-000db9126f00.
Setting hostid: 0xd83cf1ce.
Mounting local file systems:.
Setting hostname: NANOBSD.
net.inet6.ip6.auto_linklocal: 1 -> 0
vr: link state changed to UP
DHCPDISCOVER on vr0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.254
DHCPREQUEST on vr0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 192.168.1.254
bound to 192.168.1.66 -- renewal in 43200 seconds.v
r1: link state changed to DOWN
lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 16384
inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7
inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
vr0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU>
ether 00:0d:b9:12:6f:00
inet 192.168.1.66 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)
status: active
vr1: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> metric 0 mtu 1500
options=b<RXCSUM,TXCSUM,VLAN_MTU>
ether 00:0d:b9:12:6f:01
inet 1v72.16.1.1 netmasrk 0xffffff00 bro2adcast 172.16.1.:255
media: Eth ernet autoselectl (none)
statusi: no carrier
Adnditional routingk options:.
Star ting devd.
state changed to DOWN
Generating host.conf.
Additional IP options:.
Mounting NFS file systems:.
ELF ldconfig path: /lib /usr/lib /usr/local/lib
a.out ldconfig path: /usr/lib/aout
ldconfig: /usr/lib/aout: No such file or directory
Creating and/or trimming log files:.
Starting syslogd.
/etc/rc: WARNING: Dump device does not exist. Savecore not run.
Initial i386 initialization:.
Additional ABI support:.
Clearing /tmp (X related).
Starting local daemons:.
Updating motd.
Mounting late file systems:.
Generating public/private rsa1 key pair.
Your identification has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.
Your public key has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub.
The key fingerprint is:
70:c3:d5:d2:8d:d3:68:d7:e8:91:fb:16:b0:1d:50:70 root at NANOBSD
Generating public/private dsa key pair.
Your identification has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.
Your public key has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub.
The key fingerprint is:
96:d8:bf:d2:39:30:5b:b7:9b:12:00:1d:67:84:f4:ff root at NANOBSD
Generating public/private rsa key pair.
Your identification has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.
Your public key has been saved in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub.
The key fingerprint is:
fe:51:26:b5:12:7b:1f:ab:8e:6a:be:a6:3c:1a:c4:63 root at NANOBSD
Starting sshd.
mailwrapper: cannot exec /usr/libexec/sendmail/sendmail: No such file
or directory
/etc/rc: WARNING: /etc/mail/submit.cf is not readable.
Starting cron.
Local package initialization:.
Starting background file system checks in 60 seconds.
Sat Jan 1 00:01:04 UTC 2000
àààà
At this point the keyboard doesn't respond me and i can't authenticate
as root and change the password for use ssh later, however i believe
that NanoBSD has not crashed or panic because it respond pings even
more it respond ssh request but the root acount doesn't have a
password :(
This is my kernel config file:
machine i386
cpu I486_CPU
cpu I586_CPU
#cpu I686_CPU
ident ALIX_FIREWALL
#options CPU_GEODE
# To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints
#hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices.
#makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols
options SCHED_ULE # 4BSD scheduler
options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption
options INET # InterNETworking
options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols
options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol
options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support
options UFS_ACL # Support for access control lists
options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directories
options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable gjournal-based UFS journaling
options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device
#options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client
#options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server
#options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT
#options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem
#options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem
options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS)
options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework
options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables.
options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization
options COMPAT_43TTY # BSD 4.3 TTY compat [KEEP THIS!]
options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4
options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5
options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6
#options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI
options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support
options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory
options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues
options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores
options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time
extensions
options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev
options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive.
options STOP_NMI # Stop CPUS using NMI instead of IPI
options AUDIT # Security event auditing
options DEVICE_POLLING
options IPSEC
device tun #Tunnel driver (ppp(8), nos-tun(8))
device gre #IP over IP tunneling
device if_bridge #Bridge interface
device pf #PF OpenBSD packet-filter firewall
device pflog #logging support interface for PF
device pfsync #synchronization interface for PF
device carp #Common Address Redundancy Protocol
device enc #IPsec interface
device crypto
options ALTQ
options ALTQ_CBQ # Class Bases Queueing
options ALTQ_RED # Random Early Detection
options ALTQ_RIO # RED In/Out
options ALTQ_HFSC # Hierarchical Packet Scheduler
options ALTQ_CDNR # Traffic conditioner
options ALTQ_PRIQ # Priority Queueing
options ALTQ_NOPCC # Required if the TSC is unusable
options ALTQ_DEBUG
# To make an SMP kernel, the next two lines are needed
#options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel
#device apic # I/O APIC
# CPU frequency control
device cpufreq
# Bus support.
device eisa
device pci
# Floppy drives
#device fdc
# ATA and ATAPI devices
device ata
device atadisk # ATA disk drives
#device ataraid # ATA RAID drives
#device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives
#device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives
device atapist # ATAPI tape drives
options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering
# SCSI Controllers
#device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family
#device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices
#options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug
# output. Adds ~128k to driver.
#device ahd # AHA39320/29320 and onboard AIC79xx devices
#options AHD_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in debug
# output. Adds ~215k to driver.
#device amd # AMD 53C974 (Tekram DC-390(T))
#device hptiop # Highpoint RocketRaid 3xxx series
#device isp # Qlogic family
#device ispfw # Firmware for QLogic HBAs- normally a module
#device mpt # LSI-Logic MPT-Fusion
#device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic
#device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets +
those of `ncr')
#device trm # Tekram DC395U/UW/F DC315U adapters
#device adv # Advansys SCSI adapters
#device adw # Advansys wide SCSI adapters
#device aha # Adaptec 154x SCSI adapters
#device aic # Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60.
#device bt # Buslogic/Mylex MultiMaster SCSI adapters
#device ncv # NCR 53C500
#device nsp # Workbit Ninja SCSI-3
#device stg # TMC 18C30/18C50
# SCSI peripherals
device scbus # SCSI bus (required for SCSI)
#device ch # SCSI media changers
device da # Direct Access (disks)
#device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc)
#device cd # CD
#device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)
#device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and SAF-TE)
# RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem
#device amr # AMI MegaRAID
#device arcmsr # Areca SATA II RAID
#device asr # DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID
#device ciss # Compaq Smart RAID 5*
#device dpt # DPT Smartcache III, IV - See NOTES for options
#device hptmv # Highpoint RocketRAID 182x
#device hptrr # Highpoint RocketRAID 17xx, 22xx, 23xx, 25xx
#device iir # Intel Integrated RAID
#device ips # IBM (Adaptec) ServeRAID
#device mly # Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID
#device twa # 3ware 9000 series PATA/SATA RAID
# RAID controllers
#device aac # Adaptec FSA RAID
#device aacp # SCSI passthrough for aac (requires CAM)
#device ida # Compaq Smart RAID
#device mfi # LSI MegaRAID SAS
#device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family
#device pst # Promise Supertrak SX6000
#device twe # 3ware ATA RAID
# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller
device atkbd # AT keyboard
device psm # PS/2 mouse
device kbdmux # keyboard multiplexer
device vga # VGA video card driver
#device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support
# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device sc
#device agp # support several AGP chipsets
# Power management support (see NOTES for more options)
#device apm
# Add suspend/resume support for the i8254.
device pmtimer
# PCCARD (PCMCIA) support
# PCMCIA and cardbus bridge support
device cbb # cardbus (yenta) bridge
device pccard # PC Card (16-bit) bus
device cardbus # CardBus (32-bit) bus
# Serial (COM) ports
device sio # 8250, 16[45]50 based serial ports
device uart # Generic UART driver
# Parallel port
device ppc
device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required)
device lpt # Printer
device plip # TCP/IP over parallel
device ppi # Parallel port interface device
#device vpo # Requires scbus and da
# If you've got a "dumb" serial or parallel PCI card that is
# supported by the puc(4) glue driver, uncomment the following
# line to enable it (connects to sio, uart and/or ppc drivers):
#device puc
# PCI Ethernet NICs.
#device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'')
#device em # Intel PRO/1000 adapter Gigabit Ethernet Card
#device ixgb # Intel PRO/10GbE Ethernet Card
#device le # AMD Am7900 LANCE and Am79C9xx PCnet
#device txp # 3Com 3cR990 (``Typhoon'')
#device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'')
# PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code.
# NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs!
device miibus # MII bus support
#device bce # Broadcom BCM5706/BCM5708 Gigabit Ethernet
#device bfe # Broadcom BCM440x 10/100 Ethernet
#device bge # Broadcom BCM570xx Gigabit Ethernet
#device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes
#device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558)
#device lge # Level 1 LXT1001 gigabit Ethernet
#device msk # Marvell/SysKonnect Yukon II Gigabit Ethernet
#device nfe # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet
#device nge # NatSemi DP83820 gigabit Ethernet
#device nve # nVidia nForce MCP on-board Ethernet Networking
#device pcn # AMD Am79C97x PCI 10/100 (precedence over 'le')
#device re # RealTek 8139C+/8169/8169S/8110S
#device rl # RealTek 8129/8139
#device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'')
#device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016
#device sk # SysKonnect SK-984x & SK-982x gigabit Ethernet
#device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX)
#device stge # Sundance/Tamarack TC9021 gigabit Ethernet
#device ti # Alteon Networks Tigon I/II gigabit Ethernet
#device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN
#device tx # SMC EtherPower II (83c170 ``EPIC'')
#device vge # VIA VT612x gigabit Ethernet
device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II
#device wb # Winbond W89C840F
#device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'')
# ISA Ethernet NICs. pccard NICs included.
device cs # Crystal Semiconductor CS89x0 NIC
# 'device ed' requires 'device miibus'
#device ed # NE[12]000, SMC Ultra, 3c503, DS8390 cards
#device ex # Intel EtherExpress Pro/10 and Pro/10+
#device ep # Etherlink III based cards
#device fe # Fujitsu MB8696x based cards
#device ie # EtherExpress 8/16, 3C507, StarLAN 10 etc.
#device sn # SMC's 9000 series of Ethernet chips
#device xe # Xircom pccard Ethernet
# Wireless NIC cards
device wlan # 802.11 support
device wlan_wep # 802.11 WEP support
device wlan_ccmp # 802.11 CCMP support
device wlan_tkip # 802.11 TKIP support
device wlan_amrr # AMRR transmit rate control algorithm
device wlan_scan_ap # 802.11 AP mode scanning
device wlan_scan_sta # 802.11 STA mode scanning
#device an # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs.
device ath # Atheros pci/cardbus NIC's
device ath_hal # Atheros HAL (Hardware Access Layer)
device ath_rate_sample # SampleRate tx rate control for ath
#device awi # BayStack 660 and others
#device ral # Ralink Technology RT2500 wireless NICs.
device wi # WaveLAN/Intersil/Symbol 802.11 wireless NICs.
#device wl # Older non 802.11 Wavelan wireless NIC.
# Pseudo devices.
device loop # Network loopback
device random # Entropy device
device ether # Ethernet support
device sl # Kernel SLIP
device ppp # Kernel PPP
device tun # Packet tunnel.
device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc)
device md # Memory "disks"
device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling
device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation)
#device firmware # firmware assist module
# The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter.
# Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this!
# Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP.
device bpf # Berkeley packet filter
# USB support
#device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface
#device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface
#device ehci # EHCI PCI->USB interface (USB 2.0)
#device usb # USB Bus (required)
#device udbp # USB Double Bulk Pipe devices
#device ugen # Generic
#device uhid # "Human Interface Devices"
#device ukbd # Keyboard
#device ulpt # Printer
#device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da
#device ums # Mouse
#device ural # Ralink Technology RT2500USB wireless NICs
#device rum # Ralink Technology RT2501USB wireless NICs
#device urio # Diamond Rio 500 MP3 player
#device uscanner # Scanners
# USB Ethernet, requires miibus
#device aue # ADMtek USB Ethernet
#device axe # ASIX Electronics USB Ethernet
#device cdce # Generic USB over Ethernet
#device cue # CATC USB Ethernet
#device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB Ethernet
#device rue # RealTek RTL8150 USB Ethernet
# FireWire support
#device firewire # FireWire bus code
#device sbp # SCSI over FireWire (Requires scbus and da)
#device fwe # Ethernet over FireWire (non-standard!)
#device fwip # IP over FireWire (RFC 2734,3146)
#device dcons # Dumb console driver
#device dcons_crom # Configuration ROM for dcons
And this is my NanoBSD configuration file:
NANO_NAME=ALIX_PF
NANO_SRC=/usr/src
NANO_TOOLS=tools/tools/nanobsd
NANO_PACKAGE_DIR=${NANO_SRC}/${NANO_TOOLS}/Pkg
NANO_KERNEL=ALIX
NANO_BOOT0CFG="-o nopacket -s 1 -m 3"
NANO_NEWFS="-b 4096 -f 512 -i 8192 -O1 -U"
NANO_DRIVE=ad0
NANO_IMAGES=1
NANO_CODESIZE=0
NANO_CONFSIZE=2048
NANO_DATASIZE=0
NANO_RAM_ETCSIZE=10240
NANO_RAM_TMPVARSIZE=10240
NANO_SECTS=63
NANO_HEADS=16
FlashDevice sandisk 512mb
CONF_BUILD='
#NO_KLDLOAD=YES
NO_NETGRAPH=YES
NO_PAM=YES
'
CONF_INSTALL='
NO_ACPI=YES
NO_BLUETOOTH=YES
NO_CVS=YES
NO_FORTRAN=YES
NO_HTML=YES
NO_LPR=YES
NO_MAN=YES
NO_SENDMAIL=YES
NO_SHAREDOCS=YES
NO_EXAMPLES=YES
NO_INSTALLLIB=YES
NO_CALENDAR=YES
NO_MISC=YES
#NO_SHARE=YES
'
CONF_WORLD='
NO_MODULES=YES
NO_KERBEROS=YES
NO_GAMES=YES
NO_RESCUE=YES
NO_LOCALES=YES
NO_SYSCONS=YES
NO_INFO=YES
'
customize_cmd cust_install_files
customize_cmd cust_pkg
customize_cmd cust_allow_ssh_root
Someone have any idea ?
Thanks in advanced.
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