New website rendering problem

Greg 'groggy' Lehey grog at
Thu Oct 6 02:29:45 UTC 2005

On Wednesday,  5 October 2005 at 21:21:34 -0500, Eric Anderson wrote:
> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>> On Wednesday,  5 October 2005 at 20:54:26 -0500, Eric Anderson wrote:
>>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday,  5 October 2005 at 21:19:48 -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote:
>>>>> Take a look at  I'm
>>>>> using <tt> and <pre> tags to display pre-formatted text.  However, it
>>>>> comes out looking quite awful in the new layout.
>>>> Well, it would help to understand what you're seeing.  I see
>>>> fixed-width text that's about 50% too large.  Selecting normal or
>>>> large text size makes no difference.  But, unlike the home page, at
>>>> least it renders "correctly", without overlapping fields and texts
>>>> that overflow their boxes.
>>>>> What should I be using instead?
>>>> IE?  It looks as good as could be expected there, though even then it
>>>> overflows the box a little bit.
>>> Funny - it looks perfect for me on my FreeBSD 7 box with Mozilla.
>> You're probably running at a lower resolution.
> Maybe - I'm running at 1920x1200 on my 17" LCD.

I'm surprised it renders well at that resolution.  But maybe you've
made your fonts very small.

> What is yours at?


>>> Maybe you should snap a screen shot and post a link..
>> I did a while back, when this was being discussed.  Anyway, take a
>> look at, which
>> shows the two pages at 10% size.  Click on the images for 25% size,
>> and click on *those* images for full size.
> Oh my goodness - those are horrid.  It looks like your fonts (in
> firefox) set larger -  does it look better after hitting CTRL-- ?

No, because that's the minimum font size, 18 pixels.  On this display
(135 dpi), that's just under 10 pt.  I tried with 16 pixel (9 pt), and
the layout got better (though the security advisories still overflow),
but it's hard to read.

I appreciate that HTML is a terrible tool for getting layouts right,
but I think that in this case it would help to leave a little more
space.  It'll be a while before 300 dpi displays come into general use
(hampered by HTML rendering issues, mainly).

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