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Thu Dec 2 21:05:22 UTC 2004
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:54:07 +0100
Marc Fonvieille <blackend at freebsd.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:44:13PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote:
> > On 2004.11.29 10:55:46 -0800, Murray Stokely wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:03:20AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > > > > - Redoing the build system (make files), because it clearly shows its
> > > > > age and several things are broken, e.g. OBJDIR.
> > > >
> > > > Makes sense. I'd be happier seeing a comprehensive list of the things
> > > > that are broken though, so we can measure the replacement and make sure
> > > > it solves the problems.
> > >
> > > Yes, a few of the recent additions (like mirrors.xml) broke parts of
> > > the build, and it might be better to just fix those broken commits of
> > > the past few years rather than starting from scratch.
> > OBJDIR was broken way before mirrors.xml. Also, I'm not really
> > talking about starting on a clean slate. Of course parts of the the
> > current buildsystem is just fine, but others are just a mess.
> I can confirm that, since I'm guilty of this OBJDIR issue. It's not
> possible to "easily" fix it without changing a lot of things, so it's
> better to start a rewrite from zero.
Which is a lot of work, I think everyone agrees on that. But
we can do it. There is a handful of smart and well meaning
committers here who I feel, if given more time and pointed in
a direction of "what we should do" will come through perfectly.
Right now all we have been doing is bouncing around doing
whatever. There is just no real sense of direction.
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