From lists at eitanadler.com Thu Nov 14 21:59:37 2013 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Subject: Story of a Desktop User Message-ID: [ Meta: I will ask that people please change the subject line if they want to branch about discussing a particular issue or problem. This is a general post and I'm hoping it will generate a lot of discussion about the broader issues as well as specific problems I encountered. ] Hi all, This is a Lenovo Y580 laptop with uname -a: FreeBSD gravity.local 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #5 r257754: Thu Nov 7 12:12:51 EST 2013 root at gravity.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EADLER amd64 I've been using FreeBSD on this computer since February 1st, 2013. During this time I've tried to keep notes to myself about what works and what doesn't. I wrote a similar email on February 3rd, 2013 to mobile at . This one should be more complete since I have been running &os; longer. :) I am running "make buildworld" and will try a more recent HEAD shortly. At the moment the trackpad seems to be losing all "click" events. That is, I can move the mouse pointer around, however X does not register any mouse click. I'm not sure what caused this. if_rue works. if_run works. Unfortunately I no longer have either of these cards. This laptop comes with a small SSD (16GB) and a large (1TB) HDD. I have the operating system installed to the SSD and my homedir and most other data on the HDD. Both seem to fuction as expected. I use ZFS for all my filesystems including root. However I frequently noticed absurdly slow access time to disk. It can take minutes to run ls -l on an empty directory. I do not know if this is the fault of the disk, the filesystem, or some decision I made when partitioning the disk. I needed to setup xbindkeys to make the volume and mute work. They are now mapped to "mixer vol". These keys therefore only work when X is running. It would be great if we had a tool "keypressd" which would allow keypresses to be mapped to run arbitrary userland programs from both the console as well as X. The play/stop/rewind/next keys are mapped via xbindkeys to pianobar. As above, it would be great to have this mapping work in the console. VT Switching is a well known problem that newcons is aiming to solve. However, I'll mention it here for completeness: I can not switch to the console once X has been started (using the new Xorg w/ Intel drivers). Related to X: I am running WITH_NEW_XORG. This laptop has nvidia optimus. However, it is not possible to use the nvidia card so I am stuck with Intel only at the moment. The sleep key and wireless on/off key do nothing. It would be great to trap them and do something. I am able to use webcamd with pwcview to test my camera. It seems like it just works. However webcamd can not be started from rc.conf last I tested. It must be started manually. The hardware switches from speakers to headphones automagically when I plug in headphones. I like this behavior but it would be great if there were a sysctl to disable it. suspend/resume does not function from X. I did not test from console. I have tried to remove the VESA module but this did not help. hw.acpi.reset_video=1 also does not help. The brightness keys on up and down change the ACPI brightness value. However I see no impact on the screen itself. It would be great to have some method of streaming ACPI events in userland (i.e., 'xev' for ACPI). This would make it easier to debug what is actually going on here. The "Enable/Disable" screen key works as expected. The "switch screen" key requires xbindkeys support. At the moment I am unable to get my USB mouse to be recognized at all. The driver has trouble attaching. It was working during -BETA3 so it seems there is some regression here. Adrian and Cedric have been working on if_iwn support. There is already extensive discussion about this on -wireless. On to the worse side of things: /dev/speaker just does not function at all. if_alc does not function on this laptop. the boot method must be set to "legacy" in BIOS in order to boot. Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. - chrome can not open PDFs inline like it can on other platforms. I believe this is a chrome limitation - the lxpanel battery monitor is non-functional on FreeBSD. I believe it used to work but a recent update killed it. -- Eitan Adler From adrian at freebsd.org Thu Nov 14 22:38:02 2013 From: adrian at freebsd.org (Adrian Chadd) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:38:00 -0800 Subject: Story of a Desktop User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [snip] Hi! Can you post the PCI ID information for the ethernet NIC? -adrian On 14 November 2013 13:59, Eitan Adler wrote: > [ Meta: I will ask that people please change the subject line if they > want to branch about discussing a particular issue or problem. This > is a general post and I'm hoping it will generate a lot of discussion > about the broader issues as well as specific problems I encountered. ] > > Hi all, > > This is a Lenovo Y580 laptop with uname -a: > > FreeBSD gravity.local 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #5 r257754: > Thu Nov 7 12:12:51 EST 2013 > root at gravity.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EADLER amd64 > > I've been using FreeBSD on this computer since February 1st, 2013. > During this time I've tried to keep notes to myself about what works > and what doesn't. I wrote a similar email on February 3rd, 2013 to > mobile at . This one should be more complete since I have been running > &os; longer. :) I am running "make buildworld" and will try a more > recent HEAD shortly. > > At the moment the trackpad seems to be losing all "click" events. > That is, I can move the mouse pointer around, however X does not > register any mouse click. I'm not sure what caused this. > > > if_rue works. if_run works. Unfortunately I no longer have either of > these cards. > > This laptop comes with a small SSD (16GB) and a large (1TB) HDD. I > have the operating system installed to the SSD and my homedir and most > other data on the HDD. Both seem to fuction as expected. I use ZFS > for all my filesystems including root. However I frequently noticed > absurdly slow access time to disk. It can take minutes to run ls -l > on an empty directory. I do not know if this is the fault of the > disk, the filesystem, or some decision I made when partitioning the > disk. > > I needed to setup xbindkeys to make the volume and mute work. They > are now mapped to "mixer vol". These keys therefore only work when X > is running. It would be great if we had a tool "keypressd" which > would allow keypresses to be mapped to run arbitrary userland programs > from both the console as well as X. > > The play/stop/rewind/next keys are mapped via xbindkeys to pianobar. > As above, it would be great to have this mapping work in the console. > > VT Switching is a well known problem that newcons is aiming to solve. > However, I'll mention it here for completeness: I can not switch to > the console once X has been started (using the new Xorg w/ Intel > drivers). > > Related to X: I am running WITH_NEW_XORG. This laptop has nvidia > optimus. However, it is not possible to use the nvidia card so I am > stuck with Intel only at the moment. > > The sleep key and wireless on/off key do nothing. It would be great to > trap them and do something. > > I am able to use webcamd with pwcview to test my camera. It seems > like it just works. However webcamd can not be started from rc.conf > last I tested. It must be started manually. > > The hardware switches from speakers to headphones automagically when I > plug in headphones. I like this behavior but it would be great if > there were a sysctl to disable it. > > suspend/resume does not function from X. I did not test from console. > I have tried to remove the VESA module but this did not help. > hw.acpi.reset_video=1 also does not help. > > The brightness keys on up and down change the ACPI brightness value. > However I see no impact on the screen itself. > It would be great to have some method of streaming ACPI events in > userland (i.e., 'xev' for ACPI). This would make it easier to debug > what is actually going on here. > > The "Enable/Disable" screen key works as expected. The "switch > screen" key requires xbindkeys support. > > At the moment I am unable to get my USB mouse to be recognized at all. > The driver has trouble attaching. It was working during -BETA3 so it > seems there is some regression here. > > Adrian and Cedric have been working on if_iwn support. There is > already extensive discussion about this on -wireless. > > On to the worse side of things: > /dev/speaker just does not function at all. > if_alc does not function on this laptop. > > the boot method must be set to "legacy" in BIOS in order to boot. > > > Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: > - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the > option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. > - chrome can not open PDFs inline like it can on other platforms. I > believe this is a chrome limitation > - the lxpanel battery monitor is non-functional on FreeBSD. I believe > it used to work but a recent update killed it. > > > > > > -- > Eitan Adler > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile at freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" From lists at eitanadler.com Fri Nov 15 02:22:25 2013 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 21:21:54 -0500 Subject: Story of a Desktop User In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > [snip] not sure what you snipped? > Hi! > > Can you post the PCI ID information for the ethernet NIC? I'll give you all of it: hostb0 at pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x397717aa chip=0x01548086 rev=0x09 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI vgapci0 at pci0:0:2:0: class=0x030000 card=0x397717aa chip=0x01668086 rev=0x09 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller' class = display subclass = VGA xhci0 at pci0:0:20:0: class=0x0c0330 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e318086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB none0 at pci0:0:22:0: class=0x078000 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e3a8086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller' class = simple comms ehci0 at pci0:0:26:0: class=0x0c0320 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e2d8086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB hdac0 at pci0:0:27:0: class=0x040300 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e208086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' class = multimedia subclass = HDA pcib1 at pci0:0:28:0: class=0x060400 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e108086 rev=0xc4 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib2 at pci0:0:28:1: class=0x060400 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e128086 rev=0xc4 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI pcib3 at pci0:0:28:3: class=0x060400 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e168086 rev=0xc4 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI ehci1 at pci0:0:29:0: class=0x0c0320 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e268086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB isab0 at pci0:0:31:0: class=0x060100 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e598086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'HM76 Express Chipset LPC Controller' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA ahci0 at pci0:0:31:2: class=0x010601 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e038086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode]' class = mass storage subclass = SATA none1 at pci0:0:31:3: class=0x0c0500 card=0x397717aa chip=0x1e228086 rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus none2 at pci0:1:0:0: class=0x020000 card=0x397917aa chip=0x10911969 rev=0x08 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' device = 'AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet' class = network subclass = ethernet none3 at pci0:2:0:0: class=0x028000 card=0x42228086 chip=0x08918086 rev=0xc4 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Intel Corporation' device = 'Centrino Wireless-N 2200' class = network none4 at pci0:3:0:0: class=0x088000 card=0x397617aa chip=0x2392197b rev=0x30 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'JMicron Technology Corp.' device = 'SD/MMC Host Controller' class = base peripheral sdhci_pci0 at pci0:3:0:2: class=0x080501 card=0x397617aa chip=0x2391197b rev=0x30 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'JMicron Technology Corp.' device = 'Standard SD Host Controller' class = base peripheral subclass = SD host controller none5 at pci0:3:0:3: class=0x088000 card=0x397617aa chip=0x2393197b rev=0x30 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'JMicron Technology Corp.' device = 'MS Host Controller' class = base peripheral none6 at pci0:3:0:4: class=0x088000 card=0x397617aa chip=0x2394197b rev=0x30 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'JMicron Technology Corp.' device = 'xD Host Controller' class = base peripheral From tijl at coosemans.org Fri Nov 15 08:24:50 2013 From: tijl at coosemans.org (Tijl Coosemans) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:24:34 +0100 Subject: Spellcheck (was Re: Story of a Desktop User) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20131115092434.57cbdd2e@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: > Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: > - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the > option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. Which option(s) did you select in textproc/enchant? From lists at eitanadler.com Fri Nov 15 14:32:46 2013 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:15 -0500 Subject: Spellcheck (was Re: Story of a Desktop User) In-Reply-To: <20131115092434.57cbdd2e@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> References: <20131115092434.57cbdd2e@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: >> Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: >> - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the >> option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. > > Which option(s) did you select in textproc/enchant? [10002 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/irc/hexchat ]%make showconfig ===> The following configuration options are available for hexchat-2.9.6.1_2: CANBERRA=off: Audio support via Libcanberra DBUS=off: D-Bus IPC system support DOAT=on: Do At plugin DOCS=on: Build and/or install documentation FISHLIM=on: FiSHLiM plugin NLS=off: Native Language Support NOTIFY=on: Startup notification support PERL=on: Perl scripting language support PYTHON=on: Python bindings or support SOCKS=on: SOCKS proxy support TEXTFE=off: Text frontend XFT=on: Xft font library support ====> Options available for the radio SPELL: you can only select none or one of them GTKSPELL=off: Spell checking support via GTKSpell LIBSEXY=on: Spell checking support via Libsexy STATIC=off: Spell checking embedded in the binary ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings [10004 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/textproc/enchant ]%make showconfig ===> The following configuration options are available for enchant-1.6.0_1: ASPELL=off: Spell checking support via GNU Aspell HSPELL=off: Spell checking via Hspell HUNSPELL=on: Spell checking via Hunspell ISPELL=off: Spell checking support via Ispell ZEMBEREK=off: Spell checking via Zemberek ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings [10008 eitan at gravity (100%) ...rts/textproc/hunspell !1!]%pkg info G spell aspell-0.60.6.1_3 Spelling checker with better suggestion logic than ispell en-aspell-7.1.0_1 Aspell English dictionaries en-hunspell-7.1_1 English hunspell dictionaries enchant-1.6.0_1 Dictionary/spellchecking framework gtkspell-2.0.16_4 A GTK+ 2 spell checking component hunspell-1.3.2_3 Improved spell-checker for Hungarian and other languages [10012 eitan at gravity (100%) ...rts/textproc/hunspell !2!]%pkg info G sexy libsexy-0.1.11_6 Extension widgets for GTK+ -- Eitan Adler From tijl at coosemans.org Fri Nov 15 16:03:22 2013 From: tijl at coosemans.org (Tijl Coosemans) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:03:14 +0100 Subject: Spellcheck (was Re: Story of a Desktop User) In-Reply-To: References: <20131115092434.57cbdd2e@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Message-ID: <20131115170314.53b4ff6b@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:15 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: > >> Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: > >> - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the > >> option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. > > > > Which option(s) did you select in textproc/enchant? > > [10002 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/irc/hexchat ]%make showconfig > ===> The following configuration options are available for hexchat-2.9.6.1_2: > CANBERRA=off: Audio support via Libcanberra > DBUS=off: D-Bus IPC system support > DOAT=on: Do At plugin > DOCS=on: Build and/or install documentation > FISHLIM=on: FiSHLiM plugin > NLS=off: Native Language Support > NOTIFY=on: Startup notification support > PERL=on: Perl scripting language support > PYTHON=on: Python bindings or support > SOCKS=on: SOCKS proxy support > TEXTFE=off: Text frontend > XFT=on: Xft font library support > ====> Options available for the radio SPELL: you can only select none > or one of them > GTKSPELL=off: Spell checking support via GTKSpell > LIBSEXY=on: Spell checking support via Libsexy > STATIC=off: Spell checking embedded in the binary > ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings > > [10004 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/textproc/enchant ]%make showconfig > ===> The following configuration options are available for enchant-1.6.0_1: > ASPELL=off: Spell checking support via GNU Aspell > HSPELL=off: Spell checking via Hspell > HUNSPELL=on: Spell checking via Hunspell > ISPELL=off: Spell checking support via Ispell > ZEMBEREK=off: Spell checking via Zemberek > ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings The hunspell option is currently broken, but kwm has a patch for that which he may be committing any month now :) From lists at eitanadler.com Sat Nov 16 16:32:26 2013 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:31:55 -0500 Subject: Spellcheck (was Re: Story of a Desktop User) In-Reply-To: <20131115170314.53b4ff6b@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> References: <20131115092434.57cbdd2e@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <20131115170314.53b4ff6b@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:15 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> > On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: >> >> Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: >> >> - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the >> >> option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. >> > >> > Which option(s) did you select in textproc/enchant? >> >> [10002 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/irc/hexchat ]%make showconfig >> ===> The following configuration options are available for hexchat-2.9.6.1_2: >> CANBERRA=off: Audio support via Libcanberra >> DBUS=off: D-Bus IPC system support >> DOAT=on: Do At plugin >> DOCS=on: Build and/or install documentation >> FISHLIM=on: FiSHLiM plugin >> NLS=off: Native Language Support >> NOTIFY=on: Startup notification support >> PERL=on: Perl scripting language support >> PYTHON=on: Python bindings or support >> SOCKS=on: SOCKS proxy support >> TEXTFE=off: Text frontend >> XFT=on: Xft font library support >> ====> Options available for the radio SPELL: you can only select none >> or one of them >> GTKSPELL=off: Spell checking support via GTKSpell >> LIBSEXY=on: Spell checking support via Libsexy >> STATIC=off: Spell checking embedded in the binary >> ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings >> >> [10004 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/textproc/enchant ]%make showconfig >> ===> The following configuration options are available for enchant-1.6.0_1: >> ASPELL=off: Spell checking support via GNU Aspell >> HSPELL=off: Spell checking via Hspell >> HUNSPELL=on: Spell checking via Hunspell >> ISPELL=off: Spell checking support via Ispell >> ZEMBEREK=off: Spell checking via Zemberek >> ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings > > The hunspell option is currently broken, but kwm has a patch for that > which he may be committing any month now :) Can we mark the option BROKEN in the meantime? That would have saved me weeks of looking for this problem. -- Eitan Adler From kwm at rainbow-runner.nl Sat Nov 16 21:00:32 2013 From: kwm at rainbow-runner.nl (Koop Mast) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:00:24 +0100 Subject: Spellcheck (was Re: Story of a Desktop User) In-Reply-To: References: <20131115092434.57cbdd2e@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> <20131115170314.53b4ff6b@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Message-ID: <5287DCE8.5050604@rainbow-runner.nl> On 16-11-2013 17:31, Eitan Adler wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:32:15 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Tijl Coosemans wrote: >>>> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 -0500 Eitan Adler wrote: >>>>> Slightly less specific to FreeBSD: >>>>> - hexchat and xchat spell check is not functioning despite (a) the >>>>> option being selected and (b) the dictionary being installed. >>>> Which option(s) did you select in textproc/enchant? >>> [10002 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/irc/hexchat ]%make showconfig >>> ===> The following configuration options are available for hexchat-2.9.6.1_2: >>> CANBERRA=off: Audio support via Libcanberra >>> DBUS=off: D-Bus IPC system support >>> DOAT=on: Do At plugin >>> DOCS=on: Build and/or install documentation >>> FISHLIM=on: FiSHLiM plugin >>> NLS=off: Native Language Support >>> NOTIFY=on: Startup notification support >>> PERL=on: Perl scripting language support >>> PYTHON=on: Python bindings or support >>> SOCKS=on: SOCKS proxy support >>> TEXTFE=off: Text frontend >>> XFT=on: Xft font library support >>> ====> Options available for the radio SPELL: you can only select none >>> or one of them >>> GTKSPELL=off: Spell checking support via GTKSpell >>> LIBSEXY=on: Spell checking support via Libsexy >>> STATIC=off: Spell checking embedded in the binary >>> ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings >>> >>> [10004 eitan at gravity (100%) /usr/ports/textproc/enchant ]%make showconfig >>> ===> The following configuration options are available for enchant-1.6.0_1: >>> ASPELL=off: Spell checking support via GNU Aspell >>> HSPELL=off: Spell checking via Hspell >>> HUNSPELL=on: Spell checking via Hunspell >>> ISPELL=off: Spell checking support via Ispell >>> ZEMBEREK=off: Spell checking via Zemberek >>> ===> Use 'make config' to modify these settings >> The hunspell option is currently broken, but kwm has a patch for that >> which he may be committing any month now :) > Can we mark the option BROKEN in the meantime? That would have saved > me weeks of looking for this problem. > > If I don't commit it tomorrow last morning, feel free to pester me after 18.00 CET if it didn't happen. -Koop --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com From jhs at berklix.com Tue Nov 19 14:23:57 2013 From: jhs at berklix.com (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:23:19 +0100 Subject: Story of a Desktop User In-Reply-To: Your message "Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:59:02 EST." Message-ID: <201311191423.rAJENKDc010371@fire.js.berklix.net> Eitan Adler wrote: > The hardware switches from speakers to headphones automagically when I > plug in headphones. I like this behavior but it would be great if > there were a sysctl to disable it. If it's a mini jack that may be an artifact of the socket, in which case no software can control it. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative. Extradite NSA spy chief Alexander. http://berklix.eu/jhs/blog/2013_10_30 From adrian at freebsd.org Wed Nov 20 03:20:26 2013 From: adrian at freebsd.org (Adrian Chadd) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 19:20:24 -0800 Subject: Story of a Desktop User In-Reply-To: <201311191423.rAJENKDc010371@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201311191423.rAJENKDc010371@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: The newer sound stuff has a whole bunch of interesting interconnects internally that let you wire things around between functional blocks, inputs and outputs. I seem to recall that sometimes you have a hardware-only jack that does this. Sometimes its a software only thing where the hardware has a switch that the software uses to flip the output wiring. So depending upon the chipset and what it implements, it may be some automagic wiring done by the driver that's enumerated at boot time. Boot with -v and see if you get this nice verbose output from the sound driver explaining how all the connections are wired up. -adrian On 19 November 2013 06:23, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Eitan Adler wrote: >> The hardware switches from speakers to headphones automagically when I >> plug in headphones. I like this behavior but it would be great if >> there were a sysctl to disable it. > > If it's a mini jack that may be an artifact of the socket, > in which case no software can control it. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com > Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". > Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative. > Extradite NSA spy chief Alexander. http://berklix.eu/jhs/blog/2013_10_30 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile at freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe at freebsd.org" From rkoberman at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 06:05:48 2013 From: rkoberman at gmail.com (Kevin Oberman) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 22:05:47 -0800 Subject: Story of a Desktop User In-Reply-To: References: <201311191423.rAJENKDc010371@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > The newer sound stuff has a whole bunch of interesting interconnects > internally that let you wire things around between functional blocks, > inputs and outputs. > > I seem to recall that sometimes you have a hardware-only jack that > does this. Sometimes its a software only thing where the hardware has > a switch that the software uses to flip the output wiring. > > So depending upon the chipset and what it implements, it may be some > automagic wiring done by the driver that's enumerated at boot time. > Boot with -v and see if you get this nice verbose output from the > sound driver explaining how all the connections are wired up. > > > > > -adrian > > > On 19 November 2013 06:23, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Eitan Adler wrote: > >> The hardware switches from speakers to headphones automagically when I > >> plug in headphones. I like this behavior but it would be great if > >> there were a sysctl to disable it. > > > > If it's a mini jack that may be an artifact of the socket, > > in which case no software can control it. > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > -- > > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich > http://berklix.com > > Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". > > Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or > multipart/alternative. > > Extradite NSA spy chief Alexander. > http://berklix.eu/jhs/blog/2013_10_30 > On most sound systems using snd_hda you can do this fairly easily, though figuring out the exact incantations can require a bit of reading and thought. Details (including sysctls) may be found in snd_hda(4). -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman at gmail.com From d.paton.d at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 12:39:11 2013 From: d.paton.d at gmail.com (Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pat=F3n?=) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:39:02 +0100 Subject: Hello, I am new in the list Message-ID: <20131120133902.51d3333271511ce9601de559@gmail.com> Dear list: I want to introduce me as an user of FreeBSD (new in this list) with a medium experience. I had used this system occasionally since version 4 and always I had prefer it on Linux. However, Debian GNU Linux was my most used system in the past because for me it is simpler. Another argument was the long compilation time of certain applications in FreeBSD with old computers. Today, the increase in speed of computers permit me use FreeBSD without long delays in adapt each machine. I use 12 computers in my classes with scientific software (R specially). Also, I believe that Linux is beginning to be too much slow. I am suffering problems with drivers, stability and minor mistakes that in previous version of Linux kernel I had not observed. I like the coherence of FreeBSD, the stability and speed of process. This system is incredible fast and robust. I like very much the process of compilation and adaptation to each machine. I expect to learn a lot of this system with this list and the excellent handbook and introduce to my colleagues and students in the use of FreeBSD. Regards, -- ******************************************************** Daniel Pat?n Dom?nguez Numerical Ecology. Ecology Unit Department of Plant Biology, Ecology and Earth Sciences Faculty of Sciences. University of Extremadura Avda. Elvas s/n 06071 Badajoz (Spain) http://unex.academia.edu/DanielPatonDominguez https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel_Paton/ http://sites.google.com/site/numericalecologyuex/home ******************************************************** From lists at eitanadler.com Sat Nov 23 09:41:21 2013 From: lists at eitanadler.com (Eitan Adler) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 04:40:50 -0500 Subject: random loss of mouse buttons Message-ID: Every so often I'll find that the mouse buttons on both my laptop trackpad as well as on my attached USB mouse stop being responded to. I am however able to move the cursor around. - restart moused does not help - nothing of interest is to be found in dmesg Does anyone know what may cause this and how to fix it? -- Eitan Adler From nox at jelal.kn-bremen.de Sat Nov 23 20:58:40 2013 From: nox at jelal.kn-bremen.de (Juergen Lock) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:55:33 +0100 (CET) Subject: KDE : VLC doesn't appears in the choices for removable devices opening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201311232055.rANKtXmp055024@enceladus10.kn-bremen.de> In article you write: >Hello all, Hi! > >I have installed KDE (kde-4.7.4_1) and VLC (vlc-1.1.13_6,3) from ports >whith the defaults options on FreeBSD 9.0-AMD64. >But, when I insert a cdrom or plug an usb key in, VLC doesn't appears in >the choices to open it, I tried to add VLC manually but it still not >appears. >My problem is that I can't play DVDs. >Have you go the same issue? How do you solve it? > Well I don't know about the kde side of things (I use lxde atm), but have you tried the old cli way? vlc dvd:///dev/cd0 (and the same should work for other players like xine too.) HTH, :) Juergen From kevinz5000 at gmail.com Wed Nov 27 00:10:35 2013 From: kevinz5000 at gmail.com (Kevin Zheng) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:10:33 -0600 Subject: Hello, I am new in the list In-Reply-To: <20131120133902.51d3333271511ce9601de559@gmail.com> References: <20131120133902.51d3333271511ce9601de559@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52953879.4060802@gmail.com> Hi Daniel, Sorry for the delayed response; welcome to the list! Since the introduction of pkgng, long compile times should no longer be a problem, even on slower computers. You can set up one machine as a build system, and install the packages on other computers. You can even try out the official package repositories. That said, building from source still has many advantages. I'm excited that you'll be introducing FreeBSD in the classroom! As always, if you have any questions, there are several mailing lists and channels on IRC (and don't forget the handbook!). Good luck, Kevin Zheng From d.paton.d at gmail.com Wed Nov 27 09:20:26 2013 From: d.paton.d at gmail.com (Daniel =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pat=F3n?=) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:20:22 +0100 Subject: Hello, I am new in the list In-Reply-To: <52953879.4060802@gmail.com> References: <20131120133902.51d3333271511ce9601de559@gmail.com> <52953879.4060802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20131127102022.329f72eab6ccc8af953d48aa@gmail.com> > Hi Daniel, > > Sorry for the delayed response; welcome to the list! Hi, thanks > Since the introduction of pkgng, long compile times should no longer be > a problem, even on slower computers. You can set up one machine as a > build system, and install the packages on other computers. You can even > try out the official package repositories. That said, building from > source still has many advantages. I prefer building from source... > I'm excited that you'll be introducing FreeBSD in the classroom! As > always, if you have any questions, there are several mailing lists and > channels on IRC (and don't forget the handbook!). OK. Curiously the students have a first bad reaction against FreeBSD mainly caused by the spartan desktop of our computer lab (IceWM + rox) that have the things in other structure ;-). However, after few days they prefer to finish the practical works in these old but stable "such as rocks" machines ;-). We have a practice class using image analysis of aerial photographs. The practice consist in determining fractals on each image and relate different mathematical parameters with landscape measures. The software can be installed in Windows but many students have problems in their computers and prefer to use the old machines (celeron with 500 MB RAM) of computer lab ;-) Half of student are migrating to PC-BSD ;-) > Good luck, > Kevin Zheng Thanks -- ******************************************************** Daniel Pat?n Dom?nguez Numerical Ecology. Ecology Unit Department of Plant Biology, Ecology and Earth Sciences Faculty of Sciences. University of Extremadura Avda. Elvas s/n 06071 Badajoz (Spain) http://unex.academia.edu/DanielPatonDominguez https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniel_Paton/ http://sites.google.com/site/numericalecologyuex/home ******************************************************** From black.katagoto at gmail.com Sat Nov 30 14:49:00 2013 From: black.katagoto at gmail.com (Kata Goto) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:48:58 +0100 Subject: KDE : VLC doesn't appears in the choices for removable devices opening In-Reply-To: References: <201311232055.rANKtXmp055024@enceladus10.kn-bremen.de> Message-ID: 2013/11/23 Juergen Lock > In article < > CAOy9mGoUvuCkZf88soSx0znW3udRfvEqHmhFy3sUAVMgAymXvw at mail.gmail.com> you > write: > >Hello all, > Hi! > > > >I have installed KDE (kde-4.7.4_1) and VLC (vlc-1.1.13_6,3) from ports > >whith the defaults options on FreeBSD 9.0-AMD64. > >But, when I insert a cdrom or plug an usb key in, VLC doesn't appears in > >the choices to open it, I tried to add VLC manually but it still not > >appears. > >My problem is that I can't play DVDs. > >Have you go the same issue? How do you solve it? > > > Well I don't know about the kde side of things (I use lxde atm), > but have you tried the old cli way? > > vlc dvd:///dev/cd0 > > (and the same should work for other players like xine too.) > > HTH, :) > Juergen > Yes, it works that way. Thanks. >