WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes by default

[Kevin Oberman]

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Lucas Holt <luke at foolishgames.com> wrote:
> What if it was still included in tinderbox builds and releases. For the latter, the profiled versions could be in a separate distribution set much like doc or games.  The ugly part is freebsd-update..
>
> It could still be off by default in the buildworld as anyone smart enough to do source upgrades can toggle something in src.conf.
>
> This should make lazy devs happy, speed up build times for those upset about that, etc. it sucks for RE though.
>
> I was taught to use gprof in college and it was nice using the same tool on school sun and Linux boxes as well as my own iBook and FreeBSD desktop.
>
> This might be a fair compromise for now with a EOL date in a future release. At some point I assume dropping gnu tools with llvm transition makes sense
>
> Lucas Holt
>
> On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:39 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon at orthanc.ca> wrote:
>
>>> Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults?
>>
>> There are two or three "users" out of thousands complaining about the default.  If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute towards buying you better build hardware, too.

OK. I am NOT a developer but have run -current as a user for extended
intervals (v4 through V6) as I needed hardware support for my laptop
that was not available in -stable. I'm sure I am not alone.I may be
installing current again to get Intel KMS support for my Sandybridge.

I did discover the amount of time spent building profile libs and
turned them off in make.conf (later src.conf), but I think it is
really, really silly to have a  default in -stable that is used by
almost no one. and wastes a little disk space  and some time (it was a
LOT on my old AMD 450 MHz system).

Beyond that, for the relatively small number of folks using the libs
and the trivial effort for those who do use it to turn the build on if
it was made non-default, I can't really see the argument for building
them in -current as a winner, either. But please, please turn it off
in -stable at the very least.
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R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
E-mail: kob6558 at gmail.com