tmux(1) in base
freebsd-stable-2 at voidcaptain.com
Wed Sep 23 22:56:25 UTC 2009
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote, in part:
> Sergey Vinogradov <boogie at lazybytes.org> writes:
>> I always wondered about are sendmail
>> and bind9. These are pretty heavy, and definitely are not used in every
>> single installation. Maybe someday I'll see sendmail and bind9 in ports
>> instead of base system. And yes, I know about WITHOUT_BIND= and
>> WITHOUT_SENDMAIL= :)
> 2) Sendmail is used at least twice a day + once a week + once a month on
> every single FreeBSD installation in the world except those where the
> admin has intentionally installed and configured another MTA.
That is to say, it's used by all systems that choose to keep using it.
> 3) Both BIND and Sendmail have strong historical ties to BSD, and a lot
> of users would be very surprised to find them missing from the next
User surprise was not a sufficient reason not to remove Perl.
"Missing" does not seem like the right word to describe an application
easily installed from ports.
> 4) The FreeBSD project has strong ties to and good working relationships
> with the people and organizations who write and maintain BIND and
> Sendmail, ensuring that they are well integrated into our codebase,
> that any concerns we should have about them are given serious
> consideration, that we always receive ample advance notification of
> any know problems, etc.
This would be equally true and valuable if the programs were to be moved
> 5) Both BIND and Sendmail are mature, robust, highly regarded, actively
> maintained pieces of software with strong developer and user
> communities. Unbound, DMA, or whatever it is you would replace them
> with can only dream of enjoying a fraction of the respect that BIND
> and Sendmail command in the industry.
Some don't need them and would like a system without them. It's not
about respect or newer alternatives.
> 6) This discussion comes up with depressing regularity. The arguments
> on both sides are always the same, as is the conclusion: you can have
> BIND and Sendmail when you pry them out of Beastie's cold, dead
> fingers. Now go write some code.
Perhaps this discussion comes up with depressing regularity because some
"cold dead fingers"-type people seem a bit obstinate about an obvious
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