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asporner at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 12 07:11:52 GMT 2004
I agree with some of your points and will keep this short. I am very
happy that you choose tempered language. You have my respect for this.
You have made some points that I have to at least in principle to agree
with. However principles are a two way street.
1. Definately not Microsoftish! I am not that strapped for cash
to privatize for this reason. It is simply a matter of motivation.
Until recently when I realized how many people are using this
I thought to myself, "What am I doing this for!???" No insult
taken by the way--just a point of clarification.
2. Check out the NetBSD project server, I have still a low two
digit number. The project started there and was moved to
FreeBSD about two years ago, when my work project
http://www.nitro-switch.de) also was switched to FreeBSD.
2. I am too busy building exciting new loadbalancers and routers
too do this things to put the final polish on the software.
the basic stuff just works. I have asked NUMEROUS times for
help to finish it. When I was in college there was plenty of
time for this but the working (and social) world makes other
demands. This other project seems to be a school project.
There is nothing wrong with that--it's just that they typically
have many more resources that can be used.
> What I saw here was simply someone asking about HA clustering, and a simple
> response along the lines of "check out this website" for a website that
> wasn't yours, at which point you flew off the handle about people not
> reading the list, and not supporting "projects grounded in the freebsd
> world." You apparently feel slighted that a website/project other than
> yours was mentioned, or even exists.
I Flew off the handle because this is not the first time, but
about the 4th or 5th time.
> After seeing both links here and checking them out, I come away with the
> impression that you have a very new project (I know you said 1997, I'm
> talking impressions) and that you're the only person involved in it.
People always speak of "community" but never really practice it.
I lived in a real community (http://www.procopious.org) While
certainly this is not a religious group there are certain tenets
that are very applicable here that just are not present!
I see instead much evidence of social darwinism, which is the
antithesis of good community.
If it's all about survival of the fittest--I will take a pass.
So far the people who are using the software have had no problems
(evidently) with it and so the documentation was enough. I admit
it lacks what it should have but it's all about time and volunteers.
I agree documentation is sorely lacking, but I can't do both.
I never said this was a closed project...
> If this has not always been the case, and is being fixed soon, then this is
> all moot. If however this is how it's "always been", I can perfectly
> understand why your work may be seemingly ignored, and why it wouldn't have
> made a memorable impression on me even if I had seen it in the past. Right
> now, first impression is "Here's a patch for some version of FreeBSD, you
> figure out which. It's cool, try it, tell me if you like what it does."
To date several people have have stepped up to held on this
documentation because I simply have no time for this, I am
still waiting. As I said, a student project will always win
in cases like this.
Until now I have never heard from you. If you waited so long,
than why didn't you say something??? How much could a paragraph
worth of email could have cost--considering how much time I have
so far wrapped up in this project???
I am not moved by money here--but a little satisfaction or
constructive criticism when it would have been helpful would have
> Now, all that aside, you've really, in my eyes, come off as the bad guy
> here. To run the risk of a great insult, you sound rather "microsoftish"
> in your response -- angry that your project has any competition,
Certainly not, I was simply angry because after all the work I
did and all the times in THIS GROUP I have made mention of it
that at least it was not in the list of things to try--I was
> Competition and choice are the very heart of what the FreeBSD project is
> all about, and you seem to have lost sight of that.
I also lost sight of where "people helping people" have gone to as
well. Not just b-tching when something doesn't fit their fancy or
nobody ever bothers to ask questions before making a decision. This
all smacks of what is wrong with the world today. It's all about
fast food, instant gratification and more more more--without the
social expenses. Community??? Really....
I really laugh sometimes. People have borrowed the word "Community"
from the Linux folks, but people here (not necessarily in this group)
complain about linux. I know I have at times and I still think for
good reason. But they have one thing right. THey have, "The Linux
Router Project", or "The linux hi-availability project" ad nasuem...
I thought since I was so far the first to step up to this that this
was the "FreeBSD HA project" but I was sorely mistaken evidently.
However, this exchange has given enough merit to continue perhaps a
little more effort here. I won't put times into the schedule because
everytime I do I end up putting my foot in my mouth. I am one person
who has a very heavy work schedule outside of this. The Nitro-switch
contains a driver that is more than 50,000 lines of code, of which I
have done almost half not withstanding that I did the major design
of the device--including the high availablity, which is based on the
software I offered here.
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