From alexsm at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 03:30:08 2009 From: alexsm at gmail.com (Alex Moura) Date: Fri Sep 4 03:30:13 2009 Subject: eWEEK Labs Looks Back at 40 Years of Unix Message-ID: eWEEK Labs Looks Back at 40 Years of Unix http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise-Applications/eWEEK-Labs-Looks-Back-at-40-Years-of-Unix-772359/ From alexsm at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 04:14:33 2009 From: alexsm at gmail.com (Alex Moura) Date: Fri Sep 4 04:14:40 2009 Subject: Porting Chromium to FreeBSD Message-ID: Porting Chromium to FreeBSD From kris at FreeBSD.org Fri Sep 4 18:01:12 2009 From: kris at FreeBSD.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Fri Sep 4 18:01:23 2009 Subject: Porting Chromium to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AA155E8.5060408@FreeBSD.org> Alex Moura wrote: > Porting Chromium to FreeBSD Ben needs help with sound integration, which he hasn't had success with yet. Kris From mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk Sat Sep 5 17:03:39 2009 From: mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk (Frank Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 5 17:03:51 2009 Subject: Death By NetBSD Message-ID: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Hi: Recently I installed NetBSD, then found FreeBSD wouldn't start. I had this problem before and believed it was due to a bug in the NetBSD Boot Selector, which I avoided installing. But this time it looked as if my FreeBSD Partition got wiped completely. Re-trying, it looked like NetBSD spotted the FreeBSD FFSv2 Partition and decided to assign it a Mount Point of "/". This is listed if you look closely under "NetBSD Disklabel Partitions... last chance to change". I edited that Mount Point away and afterwards my (reinstalled) FreeBSD was still present. Hey, I'm glad I keep my Data on a separate Partition. Am I the only guy who didn't know about this? Yours Truly: Frank Mitchell From nikola.lecic at anthesphoria.net Sat Sep 5 19:29:33 2009 From: nikola.lecic at anthesphoria.net (Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?=) Date: Sat Sep 5 19:29:40 2009 Subject: Death By NetBSD In-Reply-To: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090905211303.1a8b93dd@anthesphoria.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 [ removed freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org from Cc: ] On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:17:15 +0100 Frank Mitchell wrote: > Hi: > > Recently I installed NetBSD, then found FreeBSD wouldn't start. I had > this problem before and believed it was due to a bug in the NetBSD > Boot Selector, which I avoided installing. But this time it looked as > if my FreeBSD Partition got wiped completely. > > Re-trying, it looked like NetBSD spotted the FreeBSD FFSv2 Partition > and decided to assign it a Mount Point of "/". This is listed if you > look closely under "NetBSD Disklabel Partitions... last chance to > change". I edited that Mount Point away and afterwards my > (reinstalled) FreeBSD was still present. > > Hey, I'm glad I keep my Data on a separate Partition. Am I the only > guy who didn't know about this? No, there was once a similar report on questions@. Please follow this thread (it's a happy ending story): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-December/164901.html Good luck :-) - -- Nikola Le?i? = ?????? ????? fingerprint : FEF3 66AF C90E EDC3 D878 7CDC 956D F4AB A377 1C9B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iJwEAQEDAAYFAkqiuEkACgkQ/MM/0rYIoZhacgQAyeDq7UZAiTB0PWOsxS45EF3D xnR0Aj8MkVWt6vVlApQ1JEDGF3es1x5O29iEU/ywDg6/cDux+7dzpkzOBjGueGsF 0valvXzwTHG6jwntXZTzvgh7HoaY8QK/Q9WoeJr0O/J1FJEP1sLTX4YB6C+z3HV4 k62EMlLd/Ib5GkYgyho= =31le -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bh at izb.knu.ac.kr Sat Sep 5 22:21:30 2009 From: bh at izb.knu.ac.kr (=?UTF-8?B?54mb57Kl?=) Date: Sat Sep 5 22:21:38 2009 Subject: Death By NetBSD In-Reply-To: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <86bplpt4m6.wl%bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> At Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:17:15 +0100, Frank Mitchell wrote: > > Hi: > > Recently I installed NetBSD, then found FreeBSD wouldn't start. I had this > problem before and believed it was due to a bug in the NetBSD Boot Selector, > which I avoided installing. But this time it looked as if my FreeBSD > Partition got wiped completely. > > Re-trying, it looked like NetBSD spotted the FreeBSD FFSv2 Partition and > decided to assign it a Mount Point of "/". This is listed if you look > closely under "NetBSD Disklabel Partitions... last chance to change". I > edited that Mount Point away and afterwards my (reinstalled) FreeBSD was > still present. > > Hey, I'm glad I keep my Data on a separate Partition. Am I the only guy who > didn't know about this? Welcome! Personally i don't use dual booting. All operating system is in primary master. Whenever special operating system is needed, i changed that physicially hand by hand. It is safe for me, anyway ..;; Sincerely, -- Byung-Hee HWANG ? WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/ From mike.jeays at rogers.com Sun Sep 6 02:27:24 2009 From: mike.jeays at rogers.com (Mike Jeays) Date: Sun Sep 6 02:28:11 2009 Subject: Death By NetBSD In-Reply-To: <86bplpt4m6.wl%bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> References: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> <86bplpt4m6.wl%bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> Message-ID: <200909052200.41223.mike.jeays@rogers.com> On September 5, 2009 06:21:21 pm ?? wrote: > At Sat, 5 Sep 2009 17:17:15 +0100, > > Frank Mitchell wrote: > > Hi: > > > > Recently I installed NetBSD, then found FreeBSD wouldn't start. I had > > this problem before and believed it was due to a bug in the NetBSD Boot > > Selector, which I avoided installing. But this time it looked as if my > > FreeBSD Partition got wiped completely. > > > > Re-trying, it looked like NetBSD spotted the FreeBSD FFSv2 Partition and > > decided to assign it a Mount Point of "/". This is listed if you look > > closely under "NetBSD Disklabel Partitions... last chance to change". I > > edited that Mount Point away and afterwards my (reinstalled) FreeBSD was > > still present. > > > > Hey, I'm glad I keep my Data on a separate Partition. Am I the only guy > > who didn't know about this? > > Welcome! > > Personally i don't use dual booting. All operating system is in > primary master. Whenever special operating system is needed, i changed > that physicially hand by hand. It is safe for me, anyway ..;; > > Sincerely, Agreed. I much prefer disk caddies for a desktop machine. I had a bad day a few years ago when I wiped out an entire dual-boot FreeBSD/Windows disk with a careless use of fdisk. -- Mike Jeays http://www.jeays.ca http://www.rotarycpmm.ca From lenthe at comcast.net Tue Sep 8 01:29:38 2009 From: lenthe at comcast.net (Jason Lenthe) Date: Tue Sep 8 01:29:44 2009 Subject: Death By NetBSD In-Reply-To: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200909051717.15321.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <1252372566.5934.17.camel@vader> On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 17:17 +0100, Frank Mitchell wrote: > Recently I installed NetBSD, then found FreeBSD wouldn't start. I had this > problem before and believed it was due to a bug in the NetBSD Boot Selector, > which I avoided installing. But this time it looked as if my FreeBSD > Partition got wiped completely. > > Re-trying, it looked like NetBSD spotted the FreeBSD FFSv2 Partition and > decided to assign it a Mount Point of "/". This is listed if you look > closely under "NetBSD Disklabel Partitions... last chance to change". I > edited that Mount Point away and afterwards my (reinstalled) FreeBSD was > still present. That similar to a problem I ran into a while back after installing NetBSD for dual booting on a disk that already had FreeBSD installed. I figured out that the NetBSD disklabel command labels all slices on the disk, even those your aren't installing NetBSD into. Fortunately, I saved off my FreeBSD bsdlabel output so restoring my partition layout was easy once I figured out the situation. And I didn't have to restore any data either. Sincerely, Jason Lenthe From GedankeZauberer at comcast.net Wed Sep 9 23:56:25 2009 From: GedankeZauberer at comcast.net (Allen) Date: Wed Sep 9 23:56:31 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD Message-ID: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Hi, I've been looking at the games area of the FreeBSD FTP server, and I'm wondering if anyone here can tell me which games are text only, kind of like how Net Hack is, but some graphics would be Ok too. More or less I'd like to get some more games that will run on older hardware. I know there is an X version of Nethack, and that was fine for the machine in question, but are there any others either text based or not very graphics intense? Any type of game is fine. From brie.gordon at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 00:26:41 2009 From: brie.gordon at gmail.com (Brie Gordon) Date: Thu Sep 10 00:26:47 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> References: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello Allen, Check out this link: http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/games/ The text based games are indicated in the descriptions. Hope this helps! -- Regards, Brie A. Gordon http://pingbrie.com From GedankeZauberer at comcast.net Thu Sep 10 00:33:06 2009 From: GedankeZauberer at comcast.net (Allen) Date: Thu Sep 10 00:33:18 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4AA84903.4090106@comcast.net> Brie Gordon wrote: > Hello Allen, > > Check out this link: > > http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/games/ > > The text based games are indicated in the descriptions. > > Hope this helps! Actually that's exactly what I was looking for. The FTP server doesn't exactly give out desc files without downloading first ;) Thanks From jamie at geniegate.com Thu Sep 10 00:55:11 2009 From: jamie at geniegate.com (Jamie) Date: Thu Sep 10 00:55:17 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> References: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090910002141.GH23233@saturn.podro.com> On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 07:42:12PM -0400, Allen wrote: > I've been looking at the games area of the FreeBSD FTP server, and I'm > wondering if anyone here can tell me which games are text only, kind of > like how Net Hack is, but some graphics would be Ok too. Here are some games I have installed, text-only. alienwave Shoot'em up game written using ncurses aop A curses based arcade game with only 64 lines of code avanor Rogue-like game with easy ADOM-like user interface block Small text based maze game cavezofphear Boulder Dash / Digger-like game written using ncurses freebsd-games FreeBSD-modified "Standard" BSD games (Lots of them here, classics like "trek") freesweep Minesweeper-style game for text-mode terminals galaxis Clone of the nifty little Macintosh game greed-game A text puzzle game with the aim of clearing the game field hunt Rogue-like multiplayer game (This one is kind of fun, but very hard to find a partner!) nInvaders The nIvaders game is a Space Invaders clone for ncurses nibbles Nibbles is a simple ncurses-based console game pentix This is a game of pentix for terminals plonx A small ascii puzzle game seabattle A curses based battleship type game sokoban Logical game: problems with packets in cave ztrack Simple ncurses based pseudo-3D driving game gnuchess GNU Chess (this is HARD!) > More or less I'd like to get some more games that will run on older > hardware. I know there is an X version of Nethack, and that was fine for > the machine in question, but are there any others either text based or not > very graphics intense? Any type of game is fine. I was into collecting terminal-based games for awhile. Some of them are actually quite fun. BSD tetris for example (though it seems awful slow on an NFS filesystem for some reason) Seems to me, someone created a curses based "DOOM" game at one point as well, but I can't seem to find it. hunt is fun, but it's difficult to find someone to play it with. (I don't have much practice) One problem is terminal I/O, some of them are just not practical over a 9600 baud serial line... Have fun! Jamie -- http://www.geniegate.com Custom web programming Perl * Java * UNIX User Management Solutions From olli at lurza.secnetix.de Thu Sep 10 11:41:24 2009 From: olli at lurza.secnetix.de (Oliver Fromme) Date: Thu Sep 10 11:41:31 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <200909101141.n8ABf3GF016871@lurza.secnetix.de> Allen wrote: > I've been looking at the games area of the FreeBSD FTP server, and I'm > wondering if anyone here can tell me which games are text only, kind of > like how Net Hack is, but some graphics would be Ok too. > > More or less I'd like to get some more games that will run on older > hardware. I know there is an X version of Nethack, and that was fine for > the machine in question, but are there any others either text based or > not very graphics intense? Any type of game is fine. These search results might be interesting for you: http://www.secnetix.de/tools/porgle/porgle.py?w=ncd&q=curses+game Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Gesch?ftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht M?n- chen, HRB 125758, Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Documentation is like sex; when it's good, it's very, very good, and when it's bad, it's better than nothing." -- Dick Brandon From GedankeZauberer at comcast.net Thu Sep 10 18:07:49 2009 From: GedankeZauberer at comcast.net (Allen) Date: Thu Sep 10 18:07:56 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200909101141.n8ABf3GF016871@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200909101141.n8ABf3GF016871@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: <4AA9402C.9020202@comcast.net> Oliver Fromme wrote: > > These search results might be interesting for you: > > http://www.secnetix.de/tools/porgle/porgle.py?w=ncd&q=curses+game > > Best regards > Oliver Sehr danke! I've downloaded about 15 games so far, and got DooM working alongside Quake, and since I've bought both games, I do have the WAD files from all of the originals, so I can play them the same I would on any Windows machines (Wintendo - doing everything in Linux or BSD, except for some of the games that ONLY work on Windows) ;) Thanks everyone who replied. When I first started using BSD in FreeBSD 4.0, there weren't this many available to say the least. I'm just glad FreeBSD people realize that even those old text games still have fans or at least people who find them interesting :) -Allen From randi at freebsd.org Thu Sep 10 22:20:22 2009 From: randi at freebsd.org (Randi Harper) Date: Thu Sep 10 22:20:33 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> References: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Allen wrote: > Hi, > > I've been looking at the games area of the FreeBSD FTP server, and I'm > wondering if anyone here can tell me which games are text only, kind of like > how Net Hack is, but some graphics would be Ok too. > > More or less I'd like to get some more games that will run on older > hardware. I know there is an X version of Nethack, and that was fine for the > machine in question, but are there any others either text based or not very > graphics intense? Any type of game is fine. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Since other people have mentioned a few of their favorite text based games, I figured I'd chime in too. :) Check out angband. It's kind of nethacky, but there's less lore so it's easier for new players to get into. <3 angband. -- randi From kris at FreeBSD.org Fri Sep 11 17:39:01 2009 From: kris at FreeBSD.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Fri Sep 11 17:39:08 2009 Subject: Text based games for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: References: <4AA83D54.5070307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4AAA8B37.9000505@FreeBSD.org> Brie Gordon wrote: > Hello Allen, > > Check out this link: > > http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/games/ > > The text based games are indicated in the descriptions. > > Hope this helps! Don't forget about the interactive fiction interpreters! games/tads and probably others. Kris From mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk Sat Sep 12 16:50:49 2009 From: mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk (Frank Mitchell) Date: Sat Sep 12 16:51:17 2009 Subject: Ordeal By OtherBSD Message-ID: <200909121626.14819.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Hi again: I experimented with Multi Booting various BSD flavours. Looks like I spoke too soon about NetBSD. I tried installing the latest NetBSD Release and it seemed there was no way to stop it affecting the FreeBSD Slice, which then appeared to have been wiped clean. So it looks inadvisable to install NetBSD unless you plan to reinstall FreeBSD completely afterwards. I tried OpenBSD to see if that fared any better. OpenBSD tries to mount other Slices too, warning that all data will be deleted. I managed to avoid this and kept my FreeBSD alive, but I was lucky. If you don't have experience with OpenBSD's unfriendly Fdisk and Disklabel Editor, you risk losing your entire Hard Disk configuration. And you need to ensure you keep your FreeBSD Boot Selector, because OpenBSD doesn't provide one. Then I tried a DragonFly install, which was buggy but harmless. However, while the DragonFly Boot Selector can start FreeBSD, it emerges that the FreeBSD Boot Selector won't necessarily start DragonFly. Note that all these OtherBSDs still allowed me to multiboot Linux Distros in the DOS Extended Partition. This was possible because OpenSuse lets you put GRUB in a Custom Boot Partition, which in my case is the Ext2 Slice reserved for Data. Yours truly: Frank Mitchell From samfoster at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 03:17:57 2009 From: samfoster at gmail.com (Sam Foster) Date: Sun Sep 13 03:18:06 2009 Subject: Daemon Ascii art Message-ID: Hi all, I've created an ascii art picture of the BSD Daemon giving a thumbs up. I want to make this freely available for anyone to use and edit if they'd like - in their motd, applications, or wherever. (Just please remember to give credit.) When viewed correctly, it should look like something similar to this: http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png There are two versions - one with the daemon and the logo, and one with just the daemon. Both are meant to be viewed with a black background and white foreground, and don't quite look right the other way around with a white background:: http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc I hope someone enjoys it. Thanks for all the great software. Best Regards, Sam Foster From kayve at sfsu.edu Sun Sep 13 04:06:50 2009 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Sun Sep 13 04:06:59 2009 Subject: Daemon Ascii art In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, Sam Foster wrote: > Hi all, > > I've created an ascii art picture of the BSD Daemon giving a thumbs > up. I want to make this freely available for anyone to use and edit > if they'd like - in their motd, applications, or wherever. (Just > please remember to give credit.) > > When viewed correctly, it should look like something similar to this: > http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png I get a dialog from my browser from that: ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! Stack Trace: 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) 1:() 2:() 3:() 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) 5:() 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png) 7:getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png) 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png,[object Object]) 9:canonizeUrl([object MouseEvent],[object Object]) 10:handleURLBarCommand([object MouseEvent]) 11:onclick([object MouseEvent]) > > There are two versions - one with the daemon and the logo, and one > with just the daemon. Both are meant to be viewed with a black > background and white foreground, and don't quite look right the other > way around with a white background:: > http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! Stack Trace: 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) 1:() 2:() 3:() 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) 5:() 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc) 7:getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc) 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc ,[object Object]) 9:canonizeUrl([object KeyboardEvent],[object Object]) 10:handleURLBarCommand([object KeyboardEvent]) 11:anonymous(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) 12:fireEvent(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) 13:onTextEntered() 14:handleEnter(false) 15:onKeyPress([object KeyboardEvent]) 16:onxblkeypress([object KeyboardEvent]) > http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! Stack Trace: 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) 1:() 2:() 3:() 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) 5:() 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc) 7:getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc) 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc ,[object Object]) 9:canonizeUrl([object KeyboardEvent],[object Object]) 10:handleURLBarCommand([object KeyboardEvent]) 11:anonymous(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) 12:fireEvent(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) 13:onTextEntered() 14:handleEnter(false) 15:onKeyPress([object KeyboardEvent]) 16:onxblkeypress([object KeyboardEvent]) > > I hope someone enjoys it. Thanks for all the great software. > > Best Regards, > Sam Foster > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From kayve at sfsu.edu Sun Sep 13 04:52:55 2009 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Sun Sep 13 04:53:04 2009 Subject: Daemon Ascii art In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm a dumb-dumb. Lucky this is just the chat list! {:) Upgraded Firefox but didn't reboot. On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2009, Sam Foster wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've created an ascii art picture of the BSD Daemon giving a thumbs >> up. I want to make this freely available for anyone to use and edit >> if they'd like - in their motd, applications, or wherever. (Just >> please remember to give credit.) >> >> When viewed correctly, it should look like something similar to this: >> http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png > > I get a dialog from my browser from that: > > ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! > Stack Trace: > 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) > 1:() > 2:() > 3:() > 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) > 5:() > 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png) > 7:getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png) > 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://cmang.org/bsd.asc.png,[object Object]) > 9:canonizeUrl([object MouseEvent],[object Object]) > 10:handleURLBarCommand([object MouseEvent]) > 11:onclick([object MouseEvent]) > > > > >> >> There are two versions - one with the daemon and the logo, and one >> with just the daemon. Both are meant to be viewed with a black >> background and white foreground, and don't quite look right the other >> way around with a white background:: >> http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc > > ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! > Stack Trace: > 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) > 1:() > 2:() > 3:() > 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) > 5:() > 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc) > 7:getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc) > 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd.asc ,[object Object]) > 9:canonizeUrl([object KeyboardEvent],[object Object]) > 10:handleURLBarCommand([object KeyboardEvent]) > 11:anonymous(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) > 12:fireEvent(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) > 13:onTextEntered() > 14:handleEnter(false) > 15:onKeyPress([object KeyboardEvent]) > 16:onxblkeypress([object KeyboardEvent]) > > > >> http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc > > ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file! > Stack Trace: > 0:ENSURE_WARN(false,_installLocation: engine has no file!,2147500037) > 1:() > 2:() > 3:() > 4:epsGetAttr([object Object],alias) > 5:() > 6:SRCH_SVC_getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc) > 7:getEngineByAlias(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc) > 8:getShortcutOrURI(http://cmang.org/cm-fbsd2.asc ,[object Object]) > 9:canonizeUrl([object KeyboardEvent],[object Object]) > 10:handleURLBarCommand([object KeyboardEvent]) > 11:anonymous(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) > 12:fireEvent(textentered,[object KeyboardEvent]) > 13:onTextEntered() > 14:handleEnter(false) > 15:onKeyPress([object KeyboardEvent]) > 16:onxblkeypress([object KeyboardEvent]) > > > >> >> I hope someone enjoys it. Thanks for all the great software. >> >> Best Regards, >> Sam Foster >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From nick at van-laarhoven.org Wed Sep 23 06:55:49 2009 From: nick at van-laarhoven.org (Nick Hibma) Date: Wed Sep 23 06:55:57 2009 Subject: tmux(1) in base In-Reply-To: <20090922225029.GP21946@elvis.mu.org> References: <20090921112657.GW95398@hoeg.nl> <4AB7ED76.5010406@FreeBSD.org> <20090922082344.GA64877@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> <37B47737-E4A4-4CF3-9DAA-B0F0A4CC8901@van-laarhoven.org> <86d45i1wl3.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090922225029.GP21946@elvis.mu.org> Message-ID: > * Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav [090922 14:47] wrote: >> Nick Hibma writes: >>> Our package system is a tremendous asset, and wholeheartedly agree >>> with Doug on this. So my vote is now a -1. Not that anyone cares. >> >> Having seen how it turned out, I'd like to vote -50,000,000 on this >> whole discussion... > > Surely we're not done until someone suggests replacing /bin/sh > with bash, amirite? In loader?! Yeah! Great idea. No need to load the base system which would save enormous amounts of bootup time. Everything that is needed could be loaded as a lib! And he scuttled off to create SillyFly BSD... Nick P.S.: I have never looked at DragonFly BSD, so I have no idea whatsoever what it is or does, apart from the fact that I *think* that it is a BSD like OS ... It runs on a From ekerberos at web.de Wed Sep 23 14:26:36 2009 From: ekerberos at web.de (Sisantha Godawela-Ohle) Date: Wed Sep 23 14:26:43 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 Message-ID: <1338456687@web.de> Hello FreeBSD Gurus, i am using FreeBSD for a quite few years and now getting problems with installation of applications as the "/" partition gets FULL! Installations are like in this manner:- " / (5GB) swap (4GB) /var (moer than 20GB) /tmp ( 1GB) /usr" (moer than 20GB) Now mz qestion is, why is it the "/ " Partion gets always filled with all stuff although there is plenty of space in "/usr" partion as well as "/var" ? And how get rid of this menace and amed it? Regards, Sisantha > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: > Gesendet: 23.09.09 14:00:56 > An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 > Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: tmux(1) in base (Nick Hibma) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:40:39 +0200 > From: Nick Hibma > Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base > To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List > Cc: Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav , Alfred Perlstein > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > * Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav [090922 14:47] wrote: > >> Nick Hibma writes: > >>> Our package system is a tremendous asset, and wholeheartedly agree > >>> with Doug on this. So my vote is now a -1. Not that anyone cares. > >> > >> Having seen how it turned out, I'd like to vote -50,000,000 on this > >> whole discussion... > > > > Surely we're not done until someone suggests replacing /bin/sh > > with bash, amirite? > > In loader?! Yeah! Great idea. No need to load the base system which > would save enormous amounts of bootup time. Everything that is needed > could be loaded as a lib! > > And he scuttled off to create SillyFly BSD... > > Nick > > P.S.: I have never looked at DragonFly BSD, so I have no idea > whatsoever what it is or does, apart from the fact that I *think* that > it is a BSD like OS ... It runs on a > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 > ******************************************** > ________________________________________________________________ Neu: WEB.DE Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate f?r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ From patsy at ethernull.org Wed Sep 23 15:09:17 2009 From: patsy at ethernull.org (Patsy) Date: Wed Sep 23 15:09:23 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1338456687@web.de> References: <1338456687@web.de> Message-ID: <1493744617.194821.1253717800301.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de> how much of the space in "/" is taken up by the "/home" directory? (the "du" command should be able to help with this). It's quite common to create a seperate /home partition to avoid ordinary users being able to fill up the "/" partition. Patsy On 23 September 2009 at 15:55 Sisantha Godawela-Ohle wrote: > Hello FreeBSD Gurus, > > i am using FreeBSD for a quite few years and now getting > problems with installation of applications as the "/" > partition gets FULL! > Installations are like in this manner:- > " /? (5GB) > swap (4GB) > /var? (moer than 20GB) > /tmp ( 1GB) > /usr" (moer than 20GB) >? Now mz qestion is, why is it the "/ " Partion gets always >filled with all stuff although there is plenty of space in >"/usr" >? partion as well as "/var" ? > > And how get rid of this menace and amed it? > > Regards, > > Sisantha > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: > > Gesendet: 23.09.09 14:00:56 > > An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 > > > > Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to > >? ? ? ? ?freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >? ? ? ? > >?http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' > > to > >? ? ? ? ?freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >? ? ? ? ?freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific > > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >? ? 1. Re: tmux(1) in base (Nick Hibma) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------ > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:40:39 +0200 > > From: Nick Hibma > > Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base > > To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List > > Cc: Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav , Alfred Perlstein > >? ? ? ? ? > > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > > delsp=yes > > > > > * Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav [090922 14:47] > > > wrote: > > >> Nick Hibma writes: > > >>> Our package system is a tremendous asset, and > > >>> wholeheartedly agree > > >>> with Doug on this. So my vote is now a -1. Not that > > >>> anyone cares. > > >> > > >> Having seen how it turned out, I'd like to vote > > >> -50,000,000 on this > > >> whole discussion... > > > > > > Surely we're not done until someone suggests replacing > > > /bin/sh > > > with bash, amirite? > > > > In loader?! Yeah! Great idea. No need to load the base > > system which? > > would save enormous amounts of bootup time. Everything > > that is needed? > > could be loaded as a lib! > > > > And he scuttled off to create SillyFly BSD... > > > > Nick > > > > P.S.: I have never looked at DragonFly BSD, so I have no > > idea? > > whatsoever what it is or does, apart from the fact that I > > *think* that? > > it is a BSD like OS ... It runs on a > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 > > ******************************************** > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ____ > Neu: WEB.DE Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + > Telefon-Flatrate > f?r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From patsy at ethernull.org Wed Sep 23 18:14:14 2009 From: patsy at ethernull.org (Patsy) Date: Wed Sep 23 18:14:20 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1338671055@web.de> References: <1338671055@web.de> Message-ID: <105211763.56000.1253729652367.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw03> > i did "du" but i can't get it how much the /home partion > gets ! I'm uning many FreeBSD, OpenBSD servers(19"-1U) at > the moment without any other users namely myself & as root. "du -sh /*" will tell you which directories in "/" are taking up the most space. Then you can look into those directories to find out where the files are. > Do i need to make "/" partn read only in order to avoid get > filling it or is there any other correct solution for it? I wouldn't make it read-only: something needs to write the data there and it will sulk if it can't. What are the servers being used for? Patsy > here is from two of my server infos for your info: > FreeBSD V 7.2 (New Installation with less HD capacity) > > $ df -h > Filesystem? ? ? ?Size? ? Used? ?Avail Capacity? Mounted on > /dev/ipsd0s1a? ? 496M? ? 388M? ? ?68M? ? 85%? ? / > devfs? ? ? ? ? ? 1.0K? ? 1.0K? ? ? 0B? ?100%? ? /dev > /dev/ipsd0s1e? ? 989M? ? ?54M? ? 856M? ? ?6%? ? /tmp > /dev/ipsd0s1f? ? ?16G? ? 6.7G? ? 8.2G? ? 45%? ? /usr > /dev/ipsd0s1d? ? ?11G? ? 545M? ? 9.9G? ? ?5%? ? /var > devfs? ? ? ? ? ? 1.0K? ? 1.0K? ? ? 0B? ?100%? ? > /var/named/dev > > > another server with same file system OpenBSD! has the same > Problem! (i think it does not matter whether Open or > Free-BSD here) > OpenBSD V. 4.5 > $ df -h > Filesystem? ? ?Size? ? Used? ?Avail Capacity? Mounted on > /dev/sd0a? ? ? 4.9G? ? 4.7G? ? 8.0K? ?100%? ? / > /dev/sd0e? ? ?1008M? ?10.0K? ? 958M? ? ?0%? ? /tmp > /dev/sd0f? ? ?31.7G? ? 9.8G? ?20.3G? ? 33%? ? /usr > /dev/sd0d? ? ?23.6G? ? 266M? ?22.2G? ? ?1%? ? /var > > I went through a lot of Docs, but no successful answers. > > rgds, > > sisantha >? > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: "Patsy" > > Gesendet: 23.09.09 16:56:52 > > An: Sisantha Godawela-Ohle > > CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > Betreff: Re: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 > > > > how much of the space in "/" is taken up by the "/home" > > directory? (the "du" command should be able to help with > > this). It's quite common to create a seperate /home > > partition > > to avoid ordinary users being able to fill up the "/" > > partition. > > > > Patsy > > > > On 23 September 2009 at 15:55 Sisantha Godawela-Ohle > > wrote: > > > > > Hello FreeBSD Gurus, > > > > > > i am using FreeBSD for a quite few years and now getting > > > problems with installation of applications as the "/" > > > partition gets FULL! > > > Installations are like in this manner:- > > > " /? (5GB) > > > swap (4GB) > > > /var? (moer than 20GB) > > > /tmp ( 1GB) > > > /usr" (moer than 20GB) > > >? Now mz qestion is, why is it the "/ " Partion gets > > >always > > >filled with all stuff although there is plenty of space > > >in > > >"/usr" > > >? partion as well as "/var" ? > > > > > > And how get rid of this menace and amed it? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sisantha > > > From kevin.wilcox at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 18:24:38 2009 From: kevin.wilcox at gmail.com (Kevin Wilcox) Date: Wed Sep 23 18:24:44 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1493744617.194821.1253717800301.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de> References: <1338456687@web.de> <1493744617.194821.1253717800301.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de> Message-ID: <5d6848b00909231100n2ed29169t8b25b5dee81d38cc@mail.gmail.com> 2009/9/23 Patsy : > how much of the space in "/" is taken up by the "/home" > directory? (the "du" command should be able to help with > this). It's quite common to create a seperate /home partition > to avoid ordinary users being able to fill up the "/" > partition. Indeed. I'm also particularly curious as to what method is being used for software installation, i.e., FreeBSD packages, the ports system or manual compile from source? kmw -- Whenever there is in any country, uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labour and live on. -- Thomas Jefferson, 1785 From kayve at sfsu.edu Wed Sep 23 18:57:59 2009 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Wed Sep 23 18:58:05 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <1493744617.194821.1253717800301.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de> References: <1338456687@web.de> <1493744617.194821.1253717800301.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de> Message-ID: /home is often on its own partition with its own diskspace allocated. Sometimes this is a link to /usr/home On Wed, 23 Sep 2009, Patsy wrote: > how much of the space in "/" is taken up by the "/home" > directory? (the "du" command should be able to help with > this). It's quite common to create a seperate /home partition > to avoid ordinary users being able to fill up the "/" > partition. > > Patsy > > On 23 September 2009 at 15:55 Sisantha Godawela-Ohle > wrote: > >> Hello FreeBSD Gurus, >> >> i am using FreeBSD for a quite few years and now getting >> problems with installation of applications as the "/" >> partition gets FULL! >> Installations are like in this manner:- >> " /? (5GB) >> swap (4GB) >> /var? (moer than 20GB) >> /tmp ( 1GB) >> /usr" (moer than 20GB) >> ? Now mz qestion is, why is it the "/ " Partion gets always >> filled with all stuff although there is plenty of space in >> "/usr" >> ? partion as well as "/var" ? >> >> And how get rid of this menace and amed it? >> >> Regards, >> >> Sisantha >> >> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: >>> Gesendet: 23.09.09 14:00:56 >>> An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>> Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 >> >> >>> Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to >>> ? ? ? ? ?freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> ? ? ? ? >>> ?http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' >>> to >>> ? ? ? ? ?freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> ? ? ? ? ?freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >>> specific >>> than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> ? ? 1. Re: tmux(1) in base (Nick Hibma) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> ------------ >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 08:40:39 +0200 >>> From: Nick Hibma >>> Subject: Re: tmux(1) in base >>> To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List >>> Cc: Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav , Alfred Perlstein >>> ? ? ? ? ? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; >>> delsp=yes >>> >>>> * Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav [090922 14:47] >>>> wrote: >>>>> Nick Hibma writes: >>>>>> Our package system is a tremendous asset, and >>>>>> wholeheartedly agree >>>>>> with Doug on this. So my vote is now a -1. Not that >>>>>> anyone cares. >>>>> >>>>> Having seen how it turned out, I'd like to vote >>>>> -50,000,000 on this >>>>> whole discussion... >>>> >>>> Surely we're not done until someone suggests replacing >>>> /bin/sh >>>> with bash, amirite? >>> >>> In loader?! Yeah! Great idea. No need to load the base >>> system which? >>> would save enormous amounts of bootup time. Everything >>> that is needed? >>> could be loaded as a lib! >>> >>> And he scuttled off to create SillyFly BSD... >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> P.S.: I have never looked at DragonFly BSD, so I have no >>> idea? >>> whatsoever what it is or does, apart from the fact that I >>> *think* that? >>> it is a BSD like OS ... It runs on a >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 >>> ******************************************** >>> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> Neu: WEB.DE Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + >> Telefon-Flatrate >> f?r nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From des at des.no Thu Sep 24 09:25:29 2009 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Thu Sep 24 09:25:36 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 320, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: (KAYVEN RIESE's message of "Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:57:56 -0700") References: <1338456687@web.de> <1493744617.194821.1253717800301.JavaMail.open-xchange@oxltgw15.schlund.de> Message-ID: <86ab0klmnr.fsf@ds4.des.no> KAYVEN RIESE writes: > /home is often on its own partition with its own diskspace > allocated. Sometimes this is a link to /usr/home Can you please move this discussion to -questions, where it belongs? DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From lists at stringsutils.com Tue Sep 29 16:59:08 2009 From: lists at stringsutils.com (Francisco Reyes) Date: Tue Sep 29 16:59:15 2009 Subject: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... References: <200909290226.CAA28246@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: Moving to chat instead of performance. >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that most >> likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find there many good comments on this. > Not just in the benchmarks with debugging on, but in real world usage > where it actually matters. Are you saying this from actual experience or from reading other people's comments? If it is from actual experience and XYZ version of Linux does a particular job better then I don't see why you should not consider using what works best. As someone who has had to use Redhat for over a year because that is what this job uses... I would trade some performance for not having to deal with all the peculiarities in Linux distros. Also, as mentioned in the slashdot article discussion, some of the reasons Linux may do better on some operations are a tradeoff between stability/security and speed. http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1384455 >From having to use Linux I have found some instances where FreeBSD may no not be up to par (ie Java), but overall I would much rather use FreeBSD if I had a choice. "Features" like the OOM killer are, in my opinion, extremely poorly designed and likely worst executed. From solarux at hotmail.com Tue Sep 29 17:20:32 2009 From: solarux at hotmail.com (Rick N) Date: Tue Sep 29 17:20:39 2009 Subject: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... In-Reply-To: References: <200909290226.CAA28246@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: "...Pick any colour you want, as long as its BLACK..." -its not always the car, its invariably the DRIVER !!! Obviously, as long that *IX works in your "real" world, then thats all that matters. Be situationally bound, NOT existentially. :) > From: lists@stringsutils.com > To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:42:13 -0400 > CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that most > >> likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > there many good comments on this. > > > Not just in the benchmarks with debugging on, but in real world usage > > where it actually matters. > > Are you saying this from actual experience or from reading other people's > comments? If it is from actual experience and XYZ version of Linux does a > particular job better then I don't see why you should not consider using > what works best. > > As someone who has had to use Redhat for over a year because that is what > this job uses... I would trade some performance for not having to deal with > all the peculiarities in Linux distros. > > Also, as mentioned in the slashdot article discussion, some of the reasons > Linux may do better on some operations are a tradeoff between > stability/security and speed. > > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1384455 > > >From having to use Linux I have found some instances where FreeBSD may no > not be up to par (ie Java), but overall I would much rather use FreeBSD if I > had a choice. "Features" like the OOM killer are, in my opinion, extremely > poorly designed and likely worst executed. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826 From soralx at cydem.org Wed Sep 30 09:11:16 2009 From: soralx at cydem.org (soralx@cydem.org) Date: Wed Sep 30 09:11:23 2009 Subject: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... In-Reply-To: References: <200909290226.CAA28246@sopwith.solgatos.com> Message-ID: <20090930014251.4f827302@soralx> > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that > >> most likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > there many good comments on this. Debug switches? Irrelevant, as 7.2 performed just as poorly (if not worse) in the threaded random writes test. One would think that the unrealistically poor [disk?] I/O performance bench data in FreeBSD was just a glitch, but using the OS everyday as a workstation, I actually notice that there could be some truth in those numbers. At least for ATA, when there's some disk I/O going on, file write operations that normally take milliseconds, may take tens of seconds or a minute! For example, loading the root disk with some serious concurrent I/O (portupgrade, find, tar xz, etc) makes opera unusable: the web browser normally saves "sessions" file everytime there's a change (e.g., a tab closed, or a page scrolled), and usually the write operation is unnoticeable, but with heavy disk I/O, one could wait for tens of seconds before, say, a page gets scrolled following keyboard input. I thinks that stream [memory benchmark] may also be demonstrating a weakness in FreeBSD, though I have doubts on this one. --- [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT From ekerberos at web.de Wed Sep 30 14:05:01 2009 From: ekerberos at web.de (Sisantha Godawela-Ohle) Date: Wed Sep 30 14:06:00 2009 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 Message-ID: <1348437919@web.de> Hello dear FreeBSD Users, I would like to know the address where I can send some technical problems regaeding BSDs Filesyem etc., could anyone pl. send it over to here? Sincerely, sisantha > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: > Gesendet: 30.09.09 14:00:57 > An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 > Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... (Francisco Reyes) > 2. RE: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... (Rick N) > 3. Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... (soralx@cydem.org) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:42:13 -0400 > From: Francisco Reyes > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > To: Dieter > Cc: FreeBSD Chat List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that most > >> likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > there many good comments on this. > > > Not just in the benchmarks with debugging on, but in real world usage > > where it actually matters. > > Are you saying this from actual experience or from reading other people's > comments? If it is from actual experience and XYZ version of Linux does a > particular job better then I don't see why you should not consider using > what works best. > > As someone who has had to use Redhat for over a year because that is what > this job uses... I would trade some performance for not having to deal with > all the peculiarities in Linux distros. > > Also, as mentioned in the slashdot article discussion, some of the reasons > Linux may do better on some operations are a tradeoff between > stability/security and speed. > > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1384455 > > >From having to use Linux I have found some instances where FreeBSD may no > not be up to par (ie Java), but overall I would much rather use FreeBSD if I > had a choice. "Features" like the OOM killer are, in my opinion, extremely > poorly designed and likely worst executed. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:08:33 -0400 > From: Rick N > Subject: RE: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > "...Pick any colour you want, as long as its BLACK..." -its not always the car, its invariably the DRIVER !!! > > Obviously, as long that *IX works in your "real" world, then thats all that matters. > > > > Be situationally bound, NOT existentially. > > > > :) > > > > From: lists@stringsutils.com > > To: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:42:13 -0400 > > CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > > > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that most > > >> likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > > there many good comments on this. > > > > > Not just in the benchmarks with debugging on, but in real world usage > > > where it actually matters. > > > > Are you saying this from actual experience or from reading other people's > > comments? If it is from actual experience and XYZ version of Linux does a > > particular job better then I don't see why you should not consider using > > what works best. > > > > As someone who has had to use Redhat for over a year because that is what > > this job uses... I would trade some performance for not having to deal with > > all the peculiarities in Linux distros. > > > > Also, as mentioned in the slashdot article discussion, some of the reasons > > Linux may do better on some operations are a tradeoff between > > stability/security and speed. > > > > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1384455 > > > > >From having to use Linux I have found some instances where FreeBSD may no > > not be up to par (ie Java), but overall I would much rather use FreeBSD if I > > had a choice. "Features" like the OOM killer are, in my opinion, extremely > > poorly designed and likely worst executed. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:42:51 -0700 > From: > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > To: > Cc: freebsd@sopwith.solgatos.com, lists@stringsutils.com > Message-ID: <20090930014251.4f827302@soralx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that > > >> most likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > > there many good comments on this. > > Debug switches? Irrelevant, as 7.2 performed just as poorly (if not worse) > in the threaded random writes test. One would think that the unrealistically > poor [disk?] I/O performance bench data in FreeBSD was just a glitch, but > using the OS everyday as a workstation, I actually notice that there could > be some truth in those numbers. At least for ATA, when there's some disk I/O > going on, file write operations that normally take milliseconds, may take > tens of seconds or a minute! For example, loading the root disk with some > serious concurrent I/O (portupgrade, find, tar xz, etc) makes opera > unusable: the web browser normally saves "sessions" file everytime there's > a change (e.g., a tab closed, or a page scrolled), and usually the write > operation is unnoticeable, but with heavy disk I/O, one could wait for tens > of seconds before, say, a page gets scrolled following keyboard input. > > I thinks that stream [memory benchmark] may also be demonstrating a > weakness in FreeBSD, though I have doubts on this one. > > --- > [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 > ******************************************** > ______________________________________________________ GRATIS f?r alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! 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