From miklosovic.freebsd at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 15:53:56 2009 From: miklosovic.freebsd at gmail.com (Stefan Miklosovic) Date: Mon Jun 1 15:54:03 2009 Subject: shell script port Message-ID: hi i am writing a script which is written in bash. this program is about automatic backuping of chosen users files periodicaly in more complex way. this portion of scripts are concerned also about group user's adding / modification / deleting. I do not already know how complex that program will be, but i would like to know, if i have a chance to port that software to port tree of freebsd. I know it will be hard as hell, but, is it possible? i think that writing such thing in compiled language is useless unless i am able to do so in a many times easier way. Will be a "script" port regular? thank you From jayton.garnett at gmail.com Tue Jun 2 12:00:45 2009 From: jayton.garnett at gmail.com (Jayton Garnett) Date: Tue Jun 2 12:00:52 2009 Subject: shell script port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stefan, Do you mean that you would like to submit a script you've wrote to the ports? -- Jay From frank at shute.org.uk Tue Jun 2 16:19:22 2009 From: frank at shute.org.uk (Frank Shute) Date: Tue Jun 2 16:19:29 2009 Subject: shell script port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090602160112.GA76243@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:27:50PM +0200, Stefan Miklosovic wrote: > > hi > > i am writing a script which is written in bash. this program is about > automatic backuping of chosen users files periodicaly in more complex way. > this portion of scripts are concerned also about group user's adding / > modification / deleting. I do not already know how complex that program will > be, but i would like to know, if i have a chance to port that software to > port tree of freebsd. If your application is a bash script, then it would be fairly easy to write a FreeBSD ports Makefile for it and port it. > > I know it will be hard as hell, but, is it possible? Hard: not that hard but requires you to do some reading: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html > > i think that writing such thing in compiled language is useless unless i am > able to do so in a many times easier way. Compiled languages are generally slow to develop in compared to scripts :( > > Will be a "script" port regular? Yeah. Look at: /usr/ports/www/youtube_dl/Makefile It's a python script but inspection of the Makefile shows that it's fairly easy to port. If you don't fancy porting it yourself, I'd be happy to have a go at porting it for you. I want to port a more complex piece of software to FreeBSD but I wouldn't mind starting on a simple port first so as to familiarise myself with the porting process. > > thank you Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From solarux at hotmail.com Tue Jun 2 19:16:05 2009 From: solarux at hotmail.com (Rick N) Date: Tue Jun 2 19:16:12 2009 Subject: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280847.12966.kirk@strauser.com> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Message-ID: It kind of reminds me of George Carlin - "Its Bad For Ya" (on any youyube) :) > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:44:46 +0200 > From: wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl > To: itetcu@FreeBSD.org > CC: sonicy@otenet.gr; Ggatten@waddell.com; chuckr@telenix.org; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Re: What is this forum for? > > >> > >> Where are this rules defined? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ > > first - good that's proper definition of hacker explained. > > --- > FreeBSD-questions is a mailing list maintained by the FreeBSD project to > help people who have questions about the normal use of FreeBSD. > --- > > while i still don't agree that many of things done is "normal use of > freebsd" but that's my point of view. > > So: > > - it's fine here to ask about mysql5 or mysql6 as it is normal view of > FreeBSD. > - it's not fine here to ask about sponsoring as it's not normal (and any) > use of FreeBSD. > - it's fine both to ask here about how to switch from windows, and > presenting my point of view about this idea. > > I think we finally agree, So i will subscribe to FreeBSD-hackers, but with > some fear. i don't classify myself as a FreeBSD-hacker. I understand C and > can code, but everytime i like to do even smallest modification in kernel > it's quite time consuming, as it's really very complex amount of code. > > > > >> best with moderation BUT EVEN WITHOUT, but with clearly defined rules > >> on webpage it could be efficient. > > > > Let's make a test case: please compare your emails with the rules and > > suggestions in above two articles. > > Already did. And until we started to argue about moderation, it's > mostly compliant. Then - it was not. For mostly two reasons. > > First - because i was attacked when presenting my opinion, just because it > was not "mainstream" (but not aggressive). > Second - after it continued i wanted You to start moderation. > > > > > We spend a few hours per day *working* on improving FreeBSD, doing also > > moderating is just to much. > > First - thank you very much for this. I'm a happy user of YOUR WORK, and i > wish you will keep this as good as now in future, as there is no other > unix that i don't consider crap today. > > i think i could find more people if you decide to start moderation. > Whatever this people personal preferences are - won't matter as they would > be just executors of rules defined by YOU. > > Just please contact me and tell beforehand, i will start asking people > privately, having timezones in mind. > > So you will not need any extra work. > > > Besides, we expect people to behave intelligently and politely. Life > > keeps contradicting us it seems :-[ > > Agreed. > > >>>> I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe > >>>> he is just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. > > > > Please contact donations@ > > OK. > >> OK so fuck off Boris, but we were talking some time ago about dumping > >> potential sponsors ;) > > > > Watch you language please. > > Such language is used on special cases like this. So please replace this > words with other with the same meaning :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From emailrob at emailrob.com Tue Jun 2 20:27:07 2009 From: emailrob at emailrob.com (spellberg_robert) Date: Tue Jun 2 20:27:16 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Message-ID: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> [ with an admonition from Ion-Mihai Tetcu, ] Wojciech Puchar wrote [ with some minor formatting from your author ]: [ snip ] >>> OK so [ expletive deleted; thank you, mr. president ] off Boris, >>> but we were talking some time ago about dumping potential sponsors ;) >> >> Watch you language please. > > Such language is used on special cases like this. > So please replace this words with other with the same meaning :) [ snip ] no, it isn't. no, others won't. notwithstanding your use of a "smiley_face", as far as i am concerned, on any mailing_list or other communications forum accessible by children, such language is "verboten". one of the several unimpeachable benefits of the american "motion picture production code administration", a/k/a "the hays office" [ after william hays ] or "the breen office" [ after joseph breen ], was that all films were viewable by children. even before its strict enforcement began [ 1934_july_01 ], the warner brothers' "gangsters", for example, didn't need to use such language. a particularly telling instance is "the public enemy" [ 1931 ], in which james cagney, in a conversation with mae clarke, made an emphatic point, substantially similar to your point to boris, by his adept use of a grapefruit_half. he demonstrated this skill, again, in "white heat" [ 1949 ], because she was a slow_learner. an examination of the works of [ i could name, oh, so many ] edward g. robinson, paul muni, george raft and humphrey bogart will be similarly unrewarding. in fact, "bogie" and, his wife, lauren bacall elevated the "double_entendre" to an art_form [ for examples, see the "memorable quotes" section of "the big sleep" [ 1946 ] here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038355/quotes ]. we can all learn from the writings of great authors. now that america is, officially, totalitarian, permit me to reference the work of that great international communist, jules dassin. did burt lancaster use such language, after the abuse he received at the hands of hume cronyn in "brute force" [ 1947 ] ? what about ted de corsia, when he pistol_whipped don taylor in "the naked city" [ 1948 ] ? every adult knew that valentina cortese was a "massage therapist" in "thieves' highway" [ 1949 ], his testament to the corruption inherent in american entrpreneurial capitalism and small business, but, the rug_rats thought she was a "fortune_teller"; erudite, wasn't she ? let us not forget the fast_talking weasel, richard widmark, in "night and the city" [ 1950 ], who maintained his civility, right up to his final scene with that famous wordsmith, the laconic mike mazurki. finally, lest some readers complain that your author is being parochial, i submit one example, from radio, where "mean joe breen" had no authority. jack benny, the greatest comedian in the history of entertainment, not --ever-- uttered a "blue" word, except, of course, in reference to his eyes. rob From kdk at daleco.biz Tue Jun 2 22:39:40 2009 From: kdk at daleco.biz (Kevin Kinsey) Date: Tue Jun 2 22:39:47 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.co! m> Message-ID: <4A25A5E1.2030704@daleco.biz> spellberg_robert wrote: > finally, > lest some readers complain that your author is being parochial, > i submit one example, from radio, where "mean joe breen" had no > authority. > > jack benny, > the greatest comedian in the history of entertainment, > not --ever-- uttered a "blue" word, > except, of course, in reference to his eyes. > > rob ROFL! LOL! COTFLGOHAHA! BBN, BBSL, CYL, Kevin Kinsey P.S. FWIW, loved the post, but thought a few uppercase letters might help in the long run. --- I had no shoes and I pitied myself. Then I met a man who had no feet, so I took his shoes. -- Dave Barry From des at des.no Wed Jun 3 10:15:24 2009 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Wed Jun 3 10:15:31 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> (spellberg robert's message of "Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:27:41 +0100") References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> Message-ID: <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> spellberg_robert writes: > notwithstanding your use of a "smiley_face", > as far as i am concerned, > on any mailing_list or other communications forum accessible by children, > such language is "verboten". This has nothing to do with children. It is simply a matter of politeness. > one of the several unimpeachable benefits of > the american "motion picture production code administration", > a/k/a "the hays office" [ after william hays ] or > "the breen office" [ after joseph breen ], > was that all films were viewable by children. Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians (or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From corky1951 at comcast.net Wed Jun 3 16:48:50 2009 From: corky1951 at comcast.net (Charlie Kester) Date: Wed Jun 3 16:49:14 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? I've always thought that BSD is an OS for grownups. From solarux at hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 17:12:28 2009 From: solarux at hotmail.com (Rick N) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:12:34 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> Message-ID: sorry for thr msn response but: now how did we all get this out of whack ? -what!, we'll pontificate on what defines the age/pubescent/hair on balls, ...,/... barrier maybe what defines children and what defines a grownup.? Does it "really" matter? NO. I havent checked, maybe there is a "freebsd-etiquette" forum or whatever to discuss the further development of the "rules of text-engagement" ? But, being this is freebsd-chat it's mostly about things freebsd -but not toooooo seriously? -hence freebsd-chat. If we might need a freebsd-mature-puberty-middleaged-children-oldfart-7badwords ?, then that would be too bad. 'cause many others prefer the "freedom of expression" at all costs, too much for that. :) > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:35:37 -0700 > From: corky1951@comcast.net > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? > > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > > >Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > >woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians > >(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > > I've always thought that BSD is an OS for grownups. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Internet explorer 8 lets you browse the web faster. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9655582 From freebsd-chat-local at be-well.ilk.org Wed Jun 3 17:51:21 2009 From: freebsd-chat-local at be-well.ilk.org (Lowell Gilbert) Date: Wed Jun 3 17:51:28 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> (Charlie Kester's message of "Wed\, 3 Jun 2009 09\:35\:37 -0700") References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> Message-ID: <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Charlie Kester writes: > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >> >>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bulb? From solarux at hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:01:06 2009 From: solarux at hotmail.com (Rick N) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:01:11 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > From: freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:23:17 -0400 > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? > > Charlie Kester writes: > > > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >> > >>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > >>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians > >>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > > And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bulb? ...as many as it takes to make them for slave labour. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live? Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 From solarux at hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:15:56 2009 From: solarux at hotmail.com (Rick N) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:16:02 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: geeez, thanks for fishing me into this one bud. > From: solarux@hotmail.com > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:01:05 +0000 > Subject: RE: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? > > > > > > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > From: freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org > > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:23:17 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? > > > > Charlie Kester writes: > > > > > On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > >> > > >>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > > >>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians > > >>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > > > > > How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > > > > And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bulb? > > > > ...as many as it takes to make them for slave labour. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live? Messenger. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621_______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047 From kevin.wilcox at gmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:24:16 2009 From: kevin.wilcox at gmail.com (Kevin Wilcox) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:24:23 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Message-ID: <5d6848b00906031054r1c54bd69w5f2b6170e861579a@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/3 Lowell Gilbert : > Charlie Kester writes: >> On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: >>>Only by US standards. ?What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >>>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >>>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? >> How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bulb? Five. One to change the bulb, one to hold the ladder and three to argue whether the bulb, the ladder or changing the bulb is what's off-topic. kmw -- To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ?the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.' From solarux at hotmail.com Wed Jun 3 18:45:18 2009 From: solarux at hotmail.com (Rick N) Date: Wed Jun 3 18:45:25 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <5d6848b00906031054r1c54bd69w5f2b6170e861579a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090603163537.GC79355@comcast.net> <44tz2x1bay.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <5d6848b00906031054r1c54bd69w5f2b6170e861579a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fishing with children: Well, you got me at a disadvantage here, being my Dad died this morning, (June 3rd, 2009@2AM)so I'll chock this one up to a pseudo-shakespearean tragedy - HINDSIGHT. If you don't know (or especially if you're not sure) what you're gonna do or say exactly, "...then 'fer gawd sakes don't open your big fat mouth,..." on the other hand I questioned, (while we were fishing in Lake Ontario many-moons ago) I asked, if you don't say/ask anything how will "they" know what should be done (according to myself, of course) ? -'ya know, typical children's response (why is the sky blue ?, ... blah, blah, blah). Of course, a typical (mine anyway) Dad's response was "shutup" and pass me that fuckin' pike lure so we can get some fishin' done today. ! :) yup, its all good. -so keep it up guys, gals, children, .... I owe him atleast that much thanks. Rick. > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:54:14 -0400 > From: kevin.wilcox@gmail.com > To: freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org > CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? > > 2009/6/3 Lowell Gilbert : > > > Charlie Kester writes: > > >> On Wed 03 Jun 2009 at 03:15:22 PDT Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > >>>Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a > >>>woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians > >>>(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? > > >> How many children read the FreeBSD mailing lists? > > > And if there are some, how many of them does it take to change a light bulb? > > Five. One to change the bulb, one to hold the ladder and three to > argue whether the bulb, the ladder or changing the bulb is what's > off-topic. > > kmw > > -- > To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that > of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, > who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is > to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ?the > guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the > fruits acquired by it.' > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046 From kayve at sfsu.edu Wed Jun 3 21:49:29 2009 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Wed Jun 3 21:49:35 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> Message-ID: Words don't kill children. People with small minded attitudes about oppression like this kill children. On Tue, 2 Jun 2009, spellberg_robert wrote: > [ with an admonition from Ion-Mihai Tetcu, ] > Wojciech Puchar wrote > [ with some minor formatting from your author ]: > > [ snip ] > >>>> OK so [ expletive deleted; thank you, mr. president ] off Boris, >>>> but we were talking some time ago about dumping potential sponsors ;) >>> >>> Watch you language please. >> >> Such language is used on special cases like this. >> So please replace this words with other with the same meaning :) > > [ snip ] > > > > no, it isn't. > > no, others won't. > > > > notwithstanding your use of a "smiley_face", > as far as i am concerned, > on any mailing_list or other communications forum accessible by children, > such language is "verboten". > > > > one of the several unimpeachable benefits of > the american "motion picture production code administration", > a/k/a "the hays office" [ after william hays ] or > "the breen office" [ after joseph breen ], > was that all films were viewable by children. > > even before its strict enforcement began [ 1934_july_01 ], > the warner brothers' "gangsters", for example, > didn't need to use such language. > a particularly telling instance is "the public enemy" [ 1931 ], > in which james cagney, in a conversation with mae clarke, > made an emphatic point, substantially similar to your point to boris, > by his adept use of a grapefruit_half. > he demonstrated this skill, again, in "white heat" [ 1949 ], > because she was a slow_learner. > an examination of the works of [ i could name, oh, so many ] > edward g. robinson, paul muni, george raft and humphrey bogart > will be similarly unrewarding. > > in fact, "bogie" and, his wife, lauren bacall > elevated the "double_entendre" to an art_form > [ for examples, > see the "memorable quotes" section of "the big sleep" [ 1946 ] here: > > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038355/quotes > > ]. > > we can all learn from the writings of great authors. > > > > now that america is, officially, totalitarian, > permit me to reference the work of > that great international communist, jules dassin. > > did burt lancaster use such language, > after the abuse he received > at the hands of hume cronyn in "brute force" [ 1947 ] ? > what about ted de corsia, > when he pistol_whipped don taylor in "the naked city" [ 1948 ] ? > every adult knew that > valentina cortese was a "massage therapist" in "thieves' highway" [ 1949 ], > his testament to the corruption > inherent in american entrpreneurial capitalism and small business, > but, the rug_rats thought she was a "fortune_teller"; > erudite, wasn't she ? > let us not forget the fast_talking weasel, richard widmark, > in "night and the city" [ 1950 ], who maintained his civility, > right up to his final scene with that famous wordsmith, > the laconic mike mazurki. > > > > finally, > lest some readers complain that your author is being parochial, > i submit one example, from radio, where "mean joe breen" had no authority. > > jack benny, > the greatest comedian in the history of entertainment, > not --ever-- uttered a "blue" word, > except, of course, in reference to his eyes. > > rob > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From brett at lariat.net Wed Jun 3 23:46:13 2009 From: brett at lariat.net (Brett Glass) Date: Wed Jun 3 23:46:19 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? In-Reply-To: <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <200906032346.RAA02604@lariat.net> At 04:15 AM 6/3/2009, Dag-Erling Sm??rgrav wrote: >Only by US standards. What do you think hurts a child more: to see a >woman's breast or hear the word "fuck", or to see cowboys and indians >(or their modern equivalent) disembowel each other? Some folks on the FreeBSD lists seem to find it far more inflammatory to talk about how to build a bike shed. ;-) --Brett Glass From emailrob at emailrob.com Thu Jun 4 04:52:58 2009 From: emailrob at emailrob.com (spellberg_robert) Date: Thu Jun 4 04:53:05 2009 Subject: [ fbsd_chat ] Re: What is this forum for? References: <200905281030.n4SAUXdA046386@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <200905280904.44025.kirk@strauser.com> <20090528183801.82b36bbb.freebsd@edvax.de> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE2@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793EDE6@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <4A1EF742.7030606@otenet.gr> <4A2041ED.4010003@telenix.org> <4A218A98.4@telenix.org> <20090531201553.3aac4b82@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <4A257D2D.9030803@emailrob.com> <86eiu1ei85.fsf@ds4.des.no> <200906032346.RAA02604@lariat.ne t> Message-ID: <4A274516.6090609@emailrob.com> wowie_zowie, suzy cream_cheese; what's got into you ? golly, gee whillikers, kids, a fella can start a flame_war without even trying; i feel so ... validated. mr. kinsey - you are welcome. mr. smorgrav - you are right about one thing; there --is-- a civility aspect to this. my question to you is: did you intend to agree with me that the "production code" was a good thing ? mr. kester - you pose a thoughtful request for clarification; see below. mr. wilcox - i liked your quote; please tell me, who said it ? mr. n. - please accept my sincerest condolences on the passing of your father. i lost mine in 1994. he worked 6-1/2 days/week, so family_time was precious. one sunday [ i believe it was in july, 1968 ], i persuaded him to take me on a steam_locomotive excursion. about a year earlier, i had discovered serious railroading. i could tell that he wasn't as enthused as i was, but, gamely, he put up a brave front. while driving home, after we returned, he confessed that he had anticipated that he would not enjoy the experience, but, that, to his surprise, he had had quite_a_bit of fun. he had not realized that the kinds of people who do this sort of thing are many and varied. to paraphraze a familiar motorcycle_advertising_jingle of the day, "you meet the nicest people in a gondola". i had caused him to forget about his work_related cares for an afternoon. mr. riese - i must confess that i am not completely certain that you are not joking. assuming you to be serious, please identify: a] the identity of the person who, first, proposed the death of children; b] the nature of the "oppression"; c] the number and kind of the "attitudes" and their location[s] in the post. people see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. my point, for the benefit of those few who did not understand, was that one need not swear to make one's point. this is true without regard to the amount of emphasis desired and without regard to the thermal character of the discussion. i gave several examples, from film, of situations among adults where swearing would not be untoward, as well as one, from radio, illustrating that one can be phenomenally popular without sprinkling words about. even before the strict enforcement of the code, swearing was not done. griffith and demille [ to name two ] had plenty of breasts, but, there wasn't any swearing. barbara stanwyck "advanced her career" in "baby face" [ 1933 ] [ look for john wayne in the mail_room ], but, she did not swear. i recently got a dvd of "high noon" [ 1952 ], so, after viewing this, i viewed "blazing saddles" [ 1974 ], as i was thinking that the two would make a nice double_feature for some friends at a party that i was planning. what surprized me was the degree to which the language actually --detracted-- from what is an, otherwise, funny film [ i do not refer to the ethnic epithets, for these were possible even during the hey_dey of the code; as an example, see "no way out" [ 1950 ], a serious film about racism between richard widmark and sidney poitier ]. the shock_value was gone; the film was dated. as to the definition of "child" and whether any read these posts, i refer the interested reader to "the design and implementation of the freebsd operating system", mckusick and neville_neil, addison_wesley, 2005 [ referencing v5.2 ]. from page 17: "the typical new committer to the freebsd project is in their mid_ to late 20s and has been programming linux or other open_source projects for a decade." because we number our birth_days from zero, one can define the mid_twenties to commence at age 23-1/3, perhaps, the twenty_third anniversary itself. therefore, a thirteen_year_old would fit the above description. i argue that it is not_at_all_unreasonable to expect that there are --young-- teen_agers perusing these lists because they have discovered computation to be an outlet for their creative energy. q: do we wish to present an image of academic professionalism or are some of us no better than sailors in a brothel ? for you freedom_of_expression_at_any_cost types, i remind you that there --is-- a difference between "liberty" and "libertine". finally, to mr. glass - is that an incandescent bike_shed or a compact_flourescent bike_shed ? we want to include the correct materials_handling_notice with the assembly_instructions in the kit. rob From das at FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 8 22:47:02 2009 From: das at FreeBSD.ORG (David Schultz) Date: Mon Jun 8 22:47:08 2009 Subject: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors contrib.additional.sgml In-Reply-To: <20090602203111.GA8762@gothic.blackend.org> References: <200906021154.n52BsOj2024305@repoman.freebsd.org> <4A2515B1.5030107@FreeBSD.org> <873aaisg7x.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20090602203111.GA8762@gothic.blackend.org> Message-ID: <20090608221732.GA67251@zim.MIT.EDU> On Tue, Jun 02, 2009, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 08:22:42PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:06:09 +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > > >> - Add CeDeROM for devel/openocd > > > > > > Personally, I don't like these nicknames in the contributors list. I > > > think having contributed to FreeBSD is a virtue one can be proud of so > > > there's no need to hide the real names. Imho, we should ask for real > > > names in these cases and shouldn't add entries with nicknames if the > > > submitter doesn't respond. What do you think? > > > > Yes, this makes sense. I think one should be proud for every one of > > their contributions to FreeBSD, so listing real names sounds like a > > Good Thing. > > > [...] > > Well, we cannot force people to give their "real" name if they don't > want to. Everyone is free to choose and everyone can have his own > reasons. Refusing to give credits or to add someone to the contributors > list cause he prefers to not give his real name will not give a positive > image of the project. > On the other hand, what are we calling a "real name"? Something that > looks like a "person name"? It can be a fake... I don't understand this practice. For years, I've assigned a high SPAM score to mail from people who don't appear to be using a real name.[1] When I added the filters, the affected senders were mostly adolescents and others who hid their real names because they had only objectionable things to say. Has anything changed in the last few years? Are there any governments that suppress communication relating to free software? [1] Mainly these are names that are iNaPpRoPrIaTeLy capitalized; contain 3mbedded numbers; violate orthographc rules about which letters may be adjacent or repeated; and so forth. 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