From david at catwhisker.org Thu Oct 2 19:15:33 2008 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:15:39 2008 Subject: Date/time for FreeBSD CVS repo Tag-creation? Message-ID: <20081002190352.GJ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> realize that the project is using Subversion for the src repository now. Still, a "CVS view" is still provided, and that's what I have handy. Anyway: A colleague at work has an assignment to determine and plot the growth in the various branches of code at work, and he started wondering what a similar graph would be like for the FreeBSD src repository. Since I keep a local CVS mirror on my desktop, I started a process to loop through the defined tags for /usr/src/Makefile, and for each one, create an appropriate CVS working directory, then run the tool my colleague is using (misc/sloccount) agains that working directory, saving the results in a tag-specific directory, then blowing away the CVS working directory. It's working backwards from HEAD, and is presently working on RELENG_4_7_BP; it appears to be taking about 22 minutes per tag. It would be convenient to be able to tie a timestamp to each tag -- any suggestions? I thought we might share the results once we have them. Yes, I intend to go back as far as CSRG. :-} (And yes, RELENG_6_4 and RELENG_6_4_BP were created last night. I'll go back & take care of that, then RELENG_7_1 & RELENG_7_1_BP, I expect.) Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20081002/5b52e237/attachment.pgp From des at des.no Fri Oct 3 09:52:13 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:52:20 2008 Subject: Date/time for FreeBSD CVS repo Tag-creation? In-Reply-To: <20081002190352.GJ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> (David Wolfskill's message of "Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:03:52 -0700") References: <20081002190352.GJ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <861vyyvx4q.fsf@ds4.des.no> David Wolfskill writes: > Anyway: A colleague at work has an assignment to determine and plot the > growth in the various branches of code at work, and he started wondering > what a similar graph would be like for the FreeBSD src repository. > [...] > It would be convenient to be able to tie a timestamp to each tag -- any > suggestions? You can't easily do that in CVS. You have to scan the entire repo and make an educated guess based on the dates of the earliest commits to that branch, and the earliest commits to the parent branch after the branch point. For instance, take src/COPYRIGHT: RELENG_5 has 1.5.0.2, while RELENG_6 has 1.6.0.2, so you know that RELENG_5 was branched after 1.5 but before 1.6. Repeat that with every file in the repo, and you can narrow it down to within a few minutes - however, you'll need to do some fancy footwork to work around tag slides. On the bright side, when the CVS repo was converted to SVN, the conversion tool did just what I describe above and inserted empty revisions in all the (mostly) right places: % for c in stable/*/COPYRIGHT ; do svn log $c | grep -B3 -A1 'create branch' ; done ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r42951 | cvs2svn | 1999-01-21 01:55:31 +0100 (Thu, 21 Jan 1999) | 1 line This commit was manufactured by cvs2svn to create branch 'RELENG_3'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r57955 | cvs2svn | 2000-03-13 05:59:44 +0100 (Mon, 13 Mar 2000) | 1 line This commit was manufactured by cvs2svn to create branch 'RELENG_4'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r133968 | cvs2svn | 2004-08-18 18:37:05 +0200 (Wed, 18 Aug 2004) | 1 line This commit was manufactured by cvs2svn to create branch 'RELENG_5'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r147906 | cvs2svn | 2005-07-11 06:14:43 +0200 (Mon, 11 Jul 2005) | 1 line This commit was manufactured by cvs2svn to create branch 'RELENG_6'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ r172506 | cvs2svn | 2007-10-10 18:59:15 +0200 (Wed, 10 Oct 2007) | 1 line This commit was manufactured by cvs2svn to create branch 'RELENG_7'. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember to take into account certain accidents of history, such as RELENG_5 being branched *after* RELENG_5_0, RELENG_5_1 and RELENG_5_2, which were branched directly off HEAD; the first real 5.x release was 5.3. DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From dkelly at hiwaay.net Fri Oct 3 22:14:15 2008 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Fri Oct 3 22:14:22 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... Message-ID: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA i386 -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From jcw at highperformance.net Sat Oct 4 23:04:59 2008 From: jcw at highperformance.net (Jason C. Wells) Date: Sat Oct 4 23:05:06 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> David Kelly wrote: > dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime > 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 > dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a > FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 > 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA i386 > > You obviously haven't been upgrading enough. One day I will tell you teh story of teh "make world". Regards, Jason From jb at caustic.org Sat Oct 4 23:47:01 2008 From: jb at caustic.org (johan beisser) Date: Sat Oct 4 23:47:08 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> Message-ID: On Oct 4, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Jason C. Wells wrote: > You obviously haven't been upgrading enough. One day I will tell > you teh story of teh "make world". You gonna sit him on your lap, pawpaw? From soralx at cydem.org Sun Oct 5 03:51:25 2008 From: soralx at cydem.org (soralx@cydem.org) Date: Sun Oct 5 03:51:32 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> Message-ID: <20081004202302.241b3c1b@soralx> > David Kelly wrote: > > dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime > > 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 > > dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a > > FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 > > 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA > > i386 > You obviously haven't been upgrading enough. One day I will tell you > teh story of teh "make world". I think I saw one extra word in the first sentence... Guess what it was? Right, if the system is up and doing its job, then he obviously _was_ upgrading _enough_ :-P > Regards, > Jason [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT "In torque we trust." From dkelly at hiwaay.net Sun Oct 5 06:35:51 2008 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Sun Oct 5 06:35:57 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <20081004202302.241b3c1b@soralx> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> <20081004202302.241b3c1b@soralx> Message-ID: <330781C3-8F25-455D-A3B2-7909C07C1F17@hiwaay.net> On Oct 4, 2008, at 10:23 PM, wrote: > >> David Kelly wrote: >>> dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime >>> 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, >>> 0.03, 0.01 >>> dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a >>> FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 >>> 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA >>> i386 >> You obviously haven't been upgrading enough. One day I will tell you >> teh story of teh "make world". > > I think I saw one extra word in the first sentence... Guess what it > was? > Right, if the system is up and doing its job, then he obviously _was_ > upgrading _enough_ :-P Exactly. Is not directly exposed to the internet. Two of us at work use it as an SVN server and occasionally test HTML and PHP there with Apache before putting the code somewhere else. Also have avr-gcc installed. That and other installed ports are mostly current. Does not have X at the moment but has in the past. Takes 3 or 4 days for this 450 MHz PII to build X. Has a whopping 192 MB of ECC RAM. As for an SVN server, I'm a bit concerned about the HDs. One is a slow 6GB WD clunker. Dell Optiplex original equipment came-with- machine, and the other is one of the first IBM 15G ultra-100 drives. Both drives have been running essentially continuous for 8 years. I really ought to pay more attention to backups. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk Sun Oct 5 16:16:51 2008 From: mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk (Frank Mitchell) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:16:58 2008 Subject: Fawlty Towers Message-ID: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Is the television series "Fawlty Towers" known internationally? I've heard it's used in India for Customer Relations tutorials. I was reminded of this when conversing with Dell Sales recently. Trouble is: Nobody seems to have told them it's intended as a "How Not To" example. Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell From frank at shute.org.uk Sun Oct 5 20:02:03 2008 From: frank at shute.org.uk (Frank Shute) Date: Sun Oct 5 20:02:10 2008 Subject: Fawlty Towers In-Reply-To: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081005194649.GB26520@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> On Sun, Oct 05, 2008 at 04:45:45PM +0100, Frank Mitchell wrote: > > Is the television series "Fawlty Towers" known internationally? I've heard > it's used in India for Customer Relations tutorials. > > I was reminded of this when conversing with Dell Sales recently. Trouble is: > Nobody seems to have told them it's intended as a "How Not To" example. > > Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell I thought Dell sold faulty towers.... I'll get my coat... -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html From dan at langille.org Sun Oct 5 22:30:30 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:30:36 2008 Subject: Fawlty Towers In-Reply-To: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <48E93BAF.9000806@langille.org> Frank Mitchell wrote: > Is the television series "Fawlty Towers" known internationally? Yes. From alexsm at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 15:15:16 2008 From: alexsm at gmail.com (Alex Moura) Date: Mon Oct 6 15:15:23 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." Message-ID: I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a curiousity... localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 BRST 2000 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- Alex Moura p.s.: "Only the name have been changed to protect the innocent" From soralx at cydem.org Mon Oct 6 15:31:47 2008 From: soralx at cydem.org (soralx@cydem.org) Date: Mon Oct 6 15:32:00 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081006083136.5db9c433@freen0de> > I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a > curiousity... > > localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime > FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 > BRST 2000 > 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Impressive, this must be a record. I've seen a higher uptime once, but that was a rather old cluster. What does the box do? > -- > Alex Moura > p.s.: "Only the name have been changed to protect the innocent" [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT "In torque we trust." From fb-chat at psconsult.nl Mon Oct 6 16:10:26 2008 From: fb-chat at psconsult.nl (Paul Schenkeveld) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:10:32 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> Hi, On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: > I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a > curiousity... > > localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime > FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 > BRST 2000 > 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) > -- > Alex Moura > p.s.: "Only the name have been changed to protect the innocent" -- Paul Schenkeveld From david at catwhisker.org Mon Oct 6 16:15:19 2008 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:15:25 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: <20081006161517.GZ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:45:52PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > ... > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: > > I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a > > curiousity... > > > > localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime > > FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 > > BRST 2000 > > 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) Indeed: g1-60(6.4-P)[1] sh $ date -r $((`date "+%s"` - 2642 \* 24 \* 60 \* 60 )) Fri Jul 13 09:14:10 PDT 2001 $ Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20081006/37c9aa32/attachment.pgp From alexsm at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 16:22:03 2008 From: alexsm at gmail.com (Alex Moura) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:22:10 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006083136.5db9c433@freen0de> References: <20081006083136.5db9c433@freen0de> Message-ID: 2008/10/6 : > >> I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a >> curiousity... >> >> localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime >> FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 >> BRST 2000 >> 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > Impressive, this must be a record. I've seen a higher uptime once, but that > was a rather old cluster. > > What does the box do? It's been used as a internal ssh and X tunneling access host for a long time. From alexsm at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 16:22:16 2008 From: alexsm at gmail.com (Alex Moura) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:22:22 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: On 2008/10/6 Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: > > I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a > > curiousity... > > > > localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime > > FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 > > BRST 2000 > > 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) As I did setup the hardware and software and booted it up back then, I can tell that it is not fake. It does remind me of my own aging though.... :-) From dkelly at hiwaay.net Mon Oct 6 17:02:09 2008 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:02:16 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: <20081006163526.GA11984@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:45:52PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: > > I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a > > curiousity... > > > > localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime > > FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 > > 16:19:46 BRST 2000 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load > > averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) Why must it be fake? jkh announced 4.1-RELEASE on Thu Jul 27 05:17:13 PDT 2000, the above kernel was built in December 2000, and uptime indicates it was last booted in July 2001. All quite reasonable. And while that uptime is a remarkable (but expected) achievement for FreeBSD, its a pretty darn good feather in someone's UPS cap. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From dan at langille.org Mon Oct 6 17:33:07 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:33:13 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006163526.GA11984@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> <20081006163526.GA11984@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <84DD05D6-1D6C-49D6-B778-CC9CC2E14494@langille.org> On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:35 PM, David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:45:52PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: >>> I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a >>> curiousity... >>> >>> localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime >>> FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 >>> 16:19:46 BRST 2000 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load >>> averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> >> This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) > > Why must it be fake? jkh announced 4.1-RELEASE on Thu Jul 27 05:17:13 > PDT 2000, the above kernel was built in December 2000, and uptime > indicates it was last booted in July 2001. All quite reasonable. +1 I'd like to hear the explanation behind the claims of 'fake'. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ From fb-chat at psconsult.nl Mon Oct 6 18:50:36 2008 From: fb-chat at psconsult.nl (Paul Schenkeveld) Date: Mon Oct 6 18:50:50 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <84DD05D6-1D6C-49D6-B778-CC9CC2E14494@langille.org> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> <20081006163526.GA11984@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <84DD05D6-1D6C-49D6-B778-CC9CC2E14494@langille.org> Message-ID: <20081006185028.GA68859@psconsult.nl> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 01:32:55PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:35 PM, David Kelly wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:45:52PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: >>>> I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a >>>> curiousity... >>>> >>>> localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime >>>> FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 >>>> 16:19:46 BRST 2000 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load >>>> averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >>> >>> This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) >> >> Why must it be fake? jkh announced 4.1-RELEASE on Thu Jul 27 05:17:13 >> PDT 2000, the above kernel was built in December 2000, and uptime >> indicates it was last booted in July 2001. All quite reasonable. > > +1 > > I'd like to hear the explanation behind the claims of 'fake'. If it were up one day longer I wouldn't be triggered but powered up on friday 13th and running for seven+ years... :-) > -- > Dan Langille > http://langille.org/ -- Paul Schenkeveld From carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net Mon Oct 6 19:05:37 2008 From: carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net (Martin Tournoij) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:06:16 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <20081006185057.GA71891@rwxrwxrwx.net> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 04:47:33PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime > 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 > dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a > FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 > 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA i386 Hm, Someone remind me to drop a gamecube in there one of these days... -- The User From carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net Mon Oct 6 19:05:37 2008 From: carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net (Martin Tournoij) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:06:16 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <20081006185057.GA71891@rwxrwxrwx.net> On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 04:47:33PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime > 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 > dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a > FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 > 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA i386 Hm, Someone remind me to drop a gamecube in there one of these days... -- The User From kayve at sfsu.edu Mon Oct 6 19:12:18 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:12:27 2008 Subject: Fawlty Towers In-Reply-To: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200810051645.45986.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Frank Mitchell wrote: > Is the television series "Fawlty Towers" known internationally? I've heard > it's used in India for Customer Relations tutorials. INSIDE JOB! Oh. you WERen't talking about the WTC? > > I was reminded of this when conversing with Dell Sales recently. Trouble is: > Nobody seems to have told them it's intended as a "How Not To" example. > > Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From kayve at sfsu.edu Mon Oct 6 19:29:36 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Mon Oct 6 19:29:43 2008 Subject: Two years ago today... In-Reply-To: <20081004202302.241b3c1b@soralx> References: <20081003214733.GA83921@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <48E7E2D3.8020306@highperformance.net> <20081004202302.241b3c1b@soralx> Message-ID: On Sat, 4 Oct 2008, soralx@cydem.org wrote: > >> David Kelly wrote: >>> dkelly@AndrAIa {1004} uptime >>> 4:44PM up 730 days, 22 mins, 2 users, load averages: 0.10, 0.03, 0.01 >>> dkelly@AndrAIa {1005} uname -a >>> FreeBSD AndrAIa.local 5.5-STABLE FreeBSD 5.5-STABLE #4: Fri Sep 8 >>> 14:39:36 CDT 2006 dkelly@AndrAIa.local:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/ANDRAIA >>> i386 >> You obviously haven't been upgrading enough. One day I will tell you >> teh story of teh "make world". > > I think I saw one extra word in the first sentence... Guess what it was? > Right, if the system is up and doing its job, then he obviously _was_ > upgrading _enough_ :-P yea-aw! {:D > >> Regards, >> Jason > > [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT > "In torque we trust." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From alexsm at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 20:15:07 2008 From: alexsm at gmail.com (Alex Moura) Date: Mon Oct 6 20:15:13 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006185028.GA68859@psconsult.nl> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> <20081006163526.GA11984@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <84DD05D6-1D6C-49D6-B778-CC9CC2E14494@langille.org> <20081006185028.GA68859@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: On 2008/10/6 Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > > If it were up one day longer I wouldn't be triggered but powered up on > friday 13th and running for seven+ years... :-) Oops, that's part of the secret magic ritual - besides beastie and daemons - that make it work even unplugged! :-) From kayve at sfsu.edu Mon Oct 6 20:19:51 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Mon Oct 6 20:19:58 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: >> I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a >> curiousity... >> >> localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime >> FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 >> BRST 2000 >> 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > > This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) July 13, 2001 IS after Dec 13, 2000 > >> -- >> Alex Moura >> p.s.: "Only the name have been changed to protect the innocent" > > -- > Paul Schenkeveld > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From kayve at sfsu.edu Mon Oct 6 20:21:09 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Mon Oct 6 20:21:15 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006161517.GZ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> <20081006161517.GZ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, David Wolfskill wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:45:52PM +0200, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: >> ... >> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:52:17AM -0300, Alex Moura wrote: >>> I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a >>> curiousity... >>> >>> localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime >>> FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 >>> BRST 2000 >>> 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> >> This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) > > Indeed: > > g1-60(6.4-P)[1] sh > $ date -r $((`date "+%s"` - 2642 \* 24 \* 60 \* 60 )) > Fri Jul 13 09:14:10 PDT 2001 > $ Doesn't this mean that he installed his FreeBSD 4.1 on Dec 13, 2000, ran it for 6 months, but shut down, but then started up on Jul 13, 2001 and ran it ever since? > > Peace, > david > -- > David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org > Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. > > See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From dkelly at hiwaay.net Mon Oct 6 21:38:32 2008 From: dkelly at hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Date: Mon Oct 6 21:38:38 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> <20081006161517.GZ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <20081006213827.GB13708@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 01:21:07PM -0700, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, David Wolfskill wrote: > > >>This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) > > > >Indeed: > > > >g1-60(6.4-P)[1] sh > >$ date -r $((`date "+%s"` - 2642 \* 24 \* 60 \* 60 )) > >Fri Jul 13 09:14:10 PDT 2001 > >$ > > Doesn't this mean that he installed his FreeBSD 4.1 on Dec 13, 2000, > ran it for 6 months, but shut down, but then started up on Jul 13, > 2001 and ran it ever since? It doesn't say anything about when it was installed. It says the kernel was built on December 13, which is newer than the kernel from the install CD. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From dan at langille.org Mon Oct 6 22:54:32 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:54:38 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081006213827.GB13708@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20081006154552.GA64089@psconsult.nl> <20081006161517.GZ41015@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20081006213827.GB13708@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <48EA96DE.4050606@langille.org> David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 01:21:07PM -0700, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> On Mon, 6 Oct 2008, David Wolfskill wrote: >> >>>> This must be fake, 2642 days ago it was Fri Jul 13, 2001 :-) >>> Indeed: >>> >>> g1-60(6.4-P)[1] sh >>> $ date -r $((`date "+%s"` - 2642 \* 24 \* 60 \* 60 )) >>> Fri Jul 13 09:14:10 PDT 2001 >>> $ >> Doesn't this mean that he installed his FreeBSD 4.1 on Dec 13, 2000, >> ran it for 6 months, but shut down, but then started up on Jul 13, >> 2001 and ran it ever since? > > It doesn't say anything about when it was installed. It says the kernel > was built on December 13, which is newer than the kernel from the > install CD. Granted. You are correct. Yet it is a safe assumption that one generally installs a kernel shortly after it is built. Built/Installed. I'll accept that both are pretty much the same date in this case. From skeptikos at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 20:00:47 2008 From: skeptikos at gmail.com (christopher) Date: Tue Oct 7 20:00:57 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081007122929.68a83773.skeptikos@gmail.com> > I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a > curiousity... > > localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime > FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 > BRST 2000 > 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 > That's almost longer than I've ever lived in one place! Kudos! -- flooose From nawcom at nawcom.com Wed Oct 8 09:29:39 2008 From: nawcom at nawcom.com (nawcom) Date: Wed Oct 8 09:29:45 2008 Subject: Inspired by "Two years ago today..." In-Reply-To: <20081007122929.68a83773.skeptikos@gmail.com> References: <20081007122929.68a83773.skeptikos@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EC442A.2080006@nawcom.com> Now its time to have some fun. Hook that baby up to the net, open a port or two, and let us poke n prod at it - we'll see how long it lives. :-P There's nothing more honorable than showing off a senior bsd machine (when it comes to uptime). -Ben >> I don't recommend to try this at home, but thinking about sharing a >> curiousity... >> >> localhost:~$ uname -a && uptime >> FreeBSD localhost 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 >> BRST 2000 >> 11:20AM up 2642 days, 2:16, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 >> >> From mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk Thu Oct 23 19:32:27 2008 From: mitchell at wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk (Frank Mitchell) Date: Thu Oct 23 19:32:35 2008 Subject: Home Brew Message-ID: <200810222049.56144.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Hi Guys: I just discovered a useful free E-Book: "You Can Build Your Own Computer" by Robert Derman, downloadable from http://www.dermancomputer.com. The Link is entitled "Computer Textbook" and it's a PDF = 5.5 Meg. Even if you don't plan a Home Building project it contains much useful stuff about Component Quality and Brand Choice. It's dated early 2007, but you'll find updated info in the HTML "Retail Price List". Also useful is the abridged HTML "Newbies Guide". I'm reminded of earlier days, when Unix appealed to people who built their own machines as much as people who wanted to modify Source Code. Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell From jpaetzel at FreeBSD.org Thu Oct 23 22:36:07 2008 From: jpaetzel at FreeBSD.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Thu Oct 23 22:36:13 2008 Subject: Home Brew In-Reply-To: <200810222049.56144.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> References: <200810222049.56144.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <4900F7FC.2020305@FreeBSD.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Mitchell wrote: > Hi Guys: > > I just discovered a useful free E-Book: "You Can Build Your Own Computer" by > Robert Derman, downloadable from http://www.dermancomputer.com. > > The Link is entitled "Computer Textbook" and it's a PDF = 5.5 Meg. Even if you > don't plan a Home Building project it contains much useful stuff about > Component Quality and Brand Choice. It's dated early 2007, but you'll find > updated info in the HTML "Retail Price List". > > Also useful is the abridged HTML "Newbies Guide". I'm reminded of earlier > days, when Unix appealed to people who built their own machines as much as > people who wanted to modify Source Code. > > Faictz Ce Que Vouldras: Frank Mitchell The curmudgeon in me can't help but note running UNIX on a homebrewed machine wasn't really possible until the 90's. So I'm faced with two interpretations, either the OP considers the 90's earlier days, or he's talking about the decade previous to that, when people built homebrewed machines to run DOS and CP/M and UNIX ran on hardware too expensive to bring home. If it's the former....I feel old. - -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5ABC 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJAPf8JvkB8SevrssRApQZAJ9/iyMWJnrhT8006gh/ssZ0fdmWLACeLuNb L2HChCoo2JLNe2g334S6iMQ= =8vS+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at van-laarhoven.org Wed Oct 29 17:35:43 2008 From: nick at van-laarhoven.org (Nick Hibma) Date: Wed Oct 29 17:35:50 2008 Subject: svn commit: r184436 - head/sys/dev/usb In-Reply-To: <200810290808.m9T88tDD016760@svn.freebsd.org> References: <200810290808.m9T88tDD016760@svn.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <200810291823.04066.nick@van-laarhoven.org> Just in case anyone was wondering whether this mobile office UMTS/HSDPA rubbish actually works: The commit below was done while in the train pulling into Hilversum. I am writing this message again while in the train, after updating the page on http://people.freebsd.org/~n_hibma/u3g.html mentioning the fact that the driver actually works on FreeBSD 6-STABLE if ucom.c is patched with the patch given there, using ssh with decent latency. Not that anyone cares, really. Nick > Author: n_hibma > Date: Wed Oct 29 08:08:55 2008 > New Revision: 184436 > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/184436 > > Log: > Add the device ID for the mass storage device that appears before the > modem appears to facilitate faster switching to modem mode. > > Modified: > head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs > > Modified: head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > ========================================================================= >===== --- head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Wed Oct 29 07:16:49 2008 (r184435) > +++ head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Wed Oct 29 08:08:55 2008 (r184436) > @@ -51,14 +51,12 @@ > #endif > #include "usbdevs.h" > > -//#define U3G_DEBUG > +#define U3G_DEBUG > #ifdef U3G_DEBUG > #define DPRINTF(x...) do { if (u3gdebug) device_printf(sc->sc_dev, > ##x); } while (0) -#define DPRINTFN(n, x...) do { if (u3gdebug > (n)) > device_printf(self, ##x); } while (0) int u3gdebug = 1; > #else > #define DPRINTF(x...) /* nop */ > -#define DPRINTFN(n, x...) /* nop */ > #endif > > #define U3G_MAXPORTS 4 > @@ -135,7 +133,8 @@ static const struct u3g_dev_type_s u3g_d > {{ USB_VENDOR_OPTION, USB_PRODUCT_OPTION_GTMAXHSUPA > }, U3GSP_HSDPA, U3GFL_NONE }, {{ USB_VENDOR_OPTION, > USB_PRODUCT_OPTION_VODAFONEMC3G }, U3GSP_UMTS, U3GFL_NONE }, /* OEM: > Qualcomm, Inc. */ > - {{ USB_VENDOR_QUALCOMMINC, USB_PRODUCT_QUALCOMMINC_CDMA_MSM > }, U3GSP_CDMA, U3GFL_STUB_WAIT }, + {{ USB_VENDOR_QUALCOMMINC, > USB_PRODUCT_QUALCOMMINC_ZTE_STOR }, U3GSP_CDMA, U3GFL_SCSI_EJECT }, + {{ > USB_VENDOR_QUALCOMMINC, USB_PRODUCT_QUALCOMMINC_CDMA_MSM > }, U3GSP_CDMA, U3GFL_SCSI_EJECT }, /* OEM: Huawei */ > {{ USB_VENDOR_HUAWEI, USB_PRODUCT_HUAWEI_MOBILE > }, U3GSP_HSDPA, U3GFL_HUAWEI_INIT }, {{ USB_VENDOR_HUAWEI, > USB_PRODUCT_HUAWEI_E220 }, U3GSP_HSPA, U3GFL_HUAWEI_INIT }, > > Modified: head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs > ========================================================================= >===== --- head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs Wed Oct 29 07:16:49 2008 (r184435) > +++ head/sys/dev/usb/usbdevs Wed Oct 29 08:08:55 2008 (r184436) > @@ -1996,6 +1996,7 @@ product QUALCOMM CDMA_MSM 0x6000 CDMA Te > product QUALCOMM2 RWT_FCT 0x3100 RWT FCT-CDMA 2000 1xRTT modem > product QUALCOMM2 CDMA_MSM 0x3196 CDMA Technologies MSM modem > product QUALCOMMINC CDMA_MSM 0x0001 CDMA Technologies MSM modem > +product QUALCOMMINC ZTE_STOR 0x2000 USB ZTE Storage > > /* Qtronix products */ > product QTRONIX 980N 0x2011 Scorpion-980N keyboard > _______________________________________________ > svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From randi at freebsd.org Wed Oct 29 20:18:47 2008 From: randi at freebsd.org (Randi Harper) Date: Wed Oct 29 20:18:52 2008 Subject: svn commit: r184436 - head/sys/dev/usb In-Reply-To: <200810291823.04066.nick@van-laarhoven.org> References: <200810290808.m9T88tDD016760@svn.freebsd.org> <200810291823.04066.nick@van-laarhoven.org> Message-ID: <759b191a0810291248w6fdda8e5ifd61e700d69a079e@mail.gmail.com> Huh. I'd never heard of u3g before. What kind of speed are you seeing? Just out of curiosity, how does it compare to ubsa? I added support for my novatel to ubsa a few months ago, but it's impossible to get true 3g speeds out of it. I didn't do enough research into the issue to see if it was a ubsa or ucom limitation. What does the ucom patch do? I'm not familiar with ucom code, not that I'm much of a developer in the first place. :) Randi From delphij at delphij.net Thu Oct 30 01:16:11 2008 From: delphij at delphij.net (Xin LI) Date: Thu Oct 30 01:16:17 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? Message-ID: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have read an interesting article titled "Would The Internet Exist Without Linux?" http://www.pcmech.com/article/would-the-internet-exist-without-linux/ Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkJCs4ACgkQi+vbBBjt66BX7wCgjSEIBNsyg2WLAiV5O4oMVOKr ixYAoK7qO0ZJLONyeNX2va/BMcLwWhWL =W0WX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kayve at sfsu.edu Thu Oct 30 01:40:54 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Thu Oct 30 01:41:01 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? In-Reply-To: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Xin LI wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I have read an interesting article titled "Would The Internet Exist > Without Linux?" > > http://www.pcmech.com/article/would-the-internet-exist-without-linux/ > > Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) 1969 Bell Labs 1st | 1973 5th | 1976 6th | 1977 BSD 1 , , /( )` \ \__ / | /- _ `-/ ' (/\/ \ \ /\ / / | ` \ O O ) | `-^--'`< ' (_.) _ ) / `.___/` / `-----' / <----. __ / __ \ <----|====O)))==) \) /==== <----' `--' `.__,' \ | | \ / ____( (_ / \______ ,' ,----' | \ `--{__________) 1978 BSD 2 1979 BSD 3 BSD 4.0 1981 BSD 4.1 1982 BSD 4.1a BSD 2.8 1983 BSD 4.1c BSD 2.9 1984 BSD 4.2 1986 BSD 4.3 1987 BSD 2.10 1988 BSD 4.3-Tahoe 1989 BSD 2.11 Net 1 BSD 4.3-Reno Net 2 1992 386BSD NetBSD 0.8 FreeBSD 1.0 BSDI 1.0 1993.. LINUX 1994 BSD 4.4 BSD 4.4 Lite-1 1995 FreeBSD 2.0 BSD 4.4 Lite-2 BSDI 2.0 Who wants to continue this? This is as far as Figure 1.1 UnIX system family tree, 1969-1985 (edited for BSD) Figure 1.2 UNIX system family tree (edited for BSD/Linux) 1986-1996 from "the Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System" by Marshall Kirk McKusick, Keith Bostic, Michael J. Karels, and John Quarterman, Addison Wesley Boston San Francisco etc. ISBN 0201549794 pp 5-6 goes. > > - -- > Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ > FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkkJCs4ACgkQi+vbBBjt66BX7wCgjSEIBNsyg2WLAiV5O4oMVOKr > ixYAoK7qO0ZJLONyeNX2va/BMcLwWhWL > =W0WX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From kayve at sfsu.edu Thu Oct 30 01:47:49 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Thu Oct 30 01:47:56 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? In-Reply-To: References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Xin LI wrote: > >> I have read an interesting article titled "Would The Internet Exist >> Without Linux?" >> >> http://www.pcmech.com/article/would-the-internet-exist-without-linux/ >> >> Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) > > > 1969 Bell Labs > 1st > | > 1973 5th > | > 1976 6th > | > 1977 > > BSD 1 > , , > /( )` > \ \__ / | > /- _ `-/ ' > (/\/ \ \ /\ > / / | ` \ > O O ) | > `-^--'`< ' > (_.) _ ) / > `.___/` / > `-----' / > <----. __ / __ \ > <----|====O)))==) \) /==== > <----' `--' `.__,' \ > | | > \ / > ____( (_ / \______ > ,' ,----' | \ > `--{__________) > > > 1978 BSD 2 > 1979 BSD 3 > BSD 4.0 > 1981 BSD 4.1 > 1982 BSD 4.1a > BSD 2.8 > 1983 BSD 4.1c > BSD 2.9 > 1984 BSD 4.2 > 1986 BSD 4.3 > 1987 BSD 2.10 > 1988 BSD 4.3-Tahoe > 1989 BSD 2.11 > Net 1 > BSD 4.3-Reno > Net 2 > 1992 386BSD > NetBSD 0.8 > FreeBSD 1.0 > BSDI 1.0 > 1993.. LINUX > 1994 BSD 4.4 > BSD 4.4 Lite-1 > 1995 FreeBSD 2.0 > BSD 4.4 Lite-2 > BSDI 2.0 > Who wants to continue this? This is as far as > Figure 1.1 UnIX system family tree, 1969-1985 (edited for BSD) > Figure 1.2 UNIX system family tree (edited for BSD/Linux) 1986-1996 > > from "the Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System" > by Marshall Kirk McKusick, Keith Bostic, Michael J. Karels, and John > Quarterman, Addison Wesley Boston San Francisco etc. ISBN 0201549794 > pp 5-6 goes. Oh silly me. I should have just included this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix_history-simple.svg > >> >> - -- >> Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ >> FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkkJCs4ACgkQi+vbBBjt66BX7wCgjSEIBNsyg2WLAiV5O4oMVOKr >> ixYAoK7qO0ZJLONyeNX2va/BMcLwWhWL >> =W0WX >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From nick at van-laarhoven.org Thu Oct 30 08:39:04 2008 From: nick at van-laarhoven.org (Nick Hibma) Date: Thu Oct 30 08:39:11 2008 Subject: svn commit: r184466 - head/sys/dev/usb In-Reply-To: <200810300832.m9U8WInO045752@svn.freebsd.org> References: <200810300832.m9U8WInO045752@svn.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <200810300938.58420.nick@van-laarhoven.org> Folks, Just to preempt people suggesting that I committed into the wrong tree: I didn't. FBSD 6 is still locked down. To keep things simple I keep one version of the driver in CURRENT which works on FBSD CURRENT, 7, and 6. See http://people.freebsd.org/~n_hibma/u3g.html for more info on how to use the driver in various versions of the OS. And the cross post is intentional as well as I've had many positive responses from people that became aware of the driver. Nick > Author: n_hibma > Date: Thu Oct 30 08:32:18 2008 > New Revision: 184466 > URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/184466 > > Log: > We need to print out the device info ourselves on FBSD 6. > > Submitted by: Thomas Nystrom > > Modified: > head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > > Modified: head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c > ========================================================================= >===== --- head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Thu Oct 30 08:17:27 2008 (r184465) > +++ head/sys/dev/usb/u3g.c Thu Oct 30 08:32:18 2008 (r184466) > @@ -227,6 +227,13 @@ u3g_attach(device_t self) > usb_config_descriptor_t *cd; > char devnamefmt[32]; > > +#if __FreeBSD_version < 700000 > + char *devinfo = malloc(1024, M_USBDEV, M_WAITOK); > + usbd_devinfo(dev, 0, devinfo); > + device_printf(self, "%s\n", devinfo); > + free(devinfo, M_USBDEV); > +#endif > + > /* get the config descriptor */ > cd = usbd_get_config_descriptor(dev); > if (cd == NULL) { > _______________________________________________ > svn-src-all@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/svn-src-all > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "svn-src-all-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From nick at van-laarhoven.org Thu Oct 30 08:46:04 2008 From: nick at van-laarhoven.org (Nick Hibma) Date: Thu Oct 30 08:46:10 2008 Subject: svn commit: r184436 - head/sys/dev/usb Message-ID: <200810300945.59080.nick@van-laarhoven.org> Myself I have seen speeds of ~260KB/s but I've had reports of ~400KBytes/s . The ucom patch (to 7 you probably mean) changes the buffering behaviour which was incorrect. I never got anything useful out of ubsa and I am now using the E220 USB dongle on a daily basis and I am _very_ happy with the speed. Nick Randi Harper wrote: > Huh. I'd never heard of u3g before. What kind of speed are you seeing? > Just out of curiosity, how does it compare to ubsa? I added support > for my novatel to ubsa a few months ago, but it's impossible to get > true 3g speeds out of it. I didn't do enough research into the issue > to see if it was a ubsa or ucom limitation. What does the ucom patch > do? I'm not familiar with ucom code, not that I'm much of a developer > in the first place. :) > > Randi From des at des.no Thu Oct 30 10:29:35 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Thu Oct 30 10:29:43 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? In-Reply-To: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> (Xin LI's message of "Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:15:58 -0700") References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Message-ID: <86ljw64cgl.fsf@ds4.des.no> Xin LI writes: > Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) Would the Internet exist without BSD? DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From jayton.garnett at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 11:24:34 2008 From: jayton.garnett at gmail.com (Jayton Garnett) Date: Thu Oct 30 11:28:53 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? In-Reply-To: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> Message-ID: Would the Internet exist without BSD? No. Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) No. From olli at lurza.secnetix.de Thu Oct 30 12:11:54 2008 From: olli at lurza.secnetix.de (Oliver Fromme) Date: Thu Oct 30 12:12:01 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200810301211.m9UCBqqe080827@lurza.secnetix.de> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > 1969 Bell Labs > 1st > | > [...] > NetBSD 0.8 > FreeBSD 1.0 > BSDI 1.0 > 1993.. LINUX > 1994 BSD 4.4 > BSD 4.4 Lite-1 > 1995 FreeBSD 2.0 > BSD 4.4 Lite-2 > BSDI 2.0 > Who wants to continue this? This is as far as > Figure 1.1 UnIX system family tree, 1969-1985 (edited for BSD) > Figure 1.2 UNIX system family tree (edited for BSD/Linux) 1986-1996 See /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Gesch?ftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht M?n- chen, HRB 125758, Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "C++ is over-complicated nonsense. And Bjorn Shoestrap's book a danger to public health. I tried reading it once, I was in recovery for months." -- Cliff Sarginson From horus.li at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 18:39:41 2008 From: horus.li at gmail.com (Horus Lee) Date: Thu Oct 30 18:39:50 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 About the article: "This article about internet is a stub. You can help (who?) by expanding it." About the "unix history map": "Free BSD" should be "FreeBSD", right? BTW, is the article a Halloween gift? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkKXQYACgkQvVxKL9VSxXr5sQCeLm8UOos54hWZ2eom5oSn0okS XgcAoJ1paO6WcCFFybmoIT2Pj59VPvCa =YLW3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From wsw1wsw2 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 19:41:53 2008 From: wsw1wsw2 at gmail.com (wsw) Date: Thu Oct 30 19:42:00 2008 Subject: Would Linux exist without the Internet? In-Reply-To: <86ljw64cgl.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <49090ACE.9000604@delphij.net> <86ljw64cgl.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <2e566b9e0810301917q60f6982csa4ea20c56d4bb2d3@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Xin LI writes: > > Would Linux exist without the Internet? :) > > Would the Internet exist without BSD? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > That's a good question. Maybe it will. From deeptech71 at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 21:44:32 2008 From: deeptech71 at gmail.com (deeptech71@gmail.com) Date: Fri Oct 31 04:14:06 2008 Subject: Google Chrome Message-ID: <490A8836.20303@gmail.com> Brett Glass wrote: > Google itself harvests users' personal data > from their Gmail users' e-mail What? I create a new box and drop an old one several times a day. :D