From a.j.werven at student.utwente.nl Wed Jun 4 20:55:05 2008 From: a.j.werven at student.utwente.nl (Alphons "Fonz" van Werven) Date: Wed Jun 4 20:55:10 2008 Subject: [style] Where to put server dirs Message-ID: <48470120.8090404@student.utwente.nl> Aloha, Just wondering: where would you put server directories, such as the httpd root dir, the anonymous ftp root dir, the CVS repository, that stuff. Put it in /usr/local (e.g. /usr/local/cvsroot or /usr/local/httpd), in /var (e.g. /var/cvs or /var/www), in / (e.g. /cvs or /www), or somewhere else? They will be seperate partitions, I'm just curious where people like to mount them. Alphons -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. If you want to experience the element, get out of the vehicle. From nomadlogic at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 21:33:35 2008 From: nomadlogic at gmail.com (pete wright) Date: Wed Jun 4 21:33:39 2008 Subject: [style] Where to put server dirs In-Reply-To: <48470120.8090404@student.utwente.nl> References: <48470120.8090404@student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: <57d710000806041408m354e25dawaf70265e805989cd@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Alphons Fonz van Werven wrote: > Aloha, > > Just wondering: where would you put server directories, such as the httpd > root dir, the anonymous ftp root dir, the CVS repository, that stuff. Put > it in /usr/local (e.g. /usr/local/cvsroot or /usr/local/httpd), in /var > (e.g. /var/cvs or /var/www), in / (e.g. /cvs or /www), or somewhere else? > > They will be seperate partitions, I'm just curious where people like to > mount them. > I find this to be a helpful guide: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From unga888 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 5 05:01:41 2008 From: unga888 at yahoo.com (Unga) Date: Thu Jun 5 05:01:45 2008 Subject: Supercomputing with FreeBSD? Message-ID: <285746.27928.qm@web57009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi all supercomputing interested guys and gals You may have seen this: 1. University of Antwerp makes 4000EUR NVIDIA supercomputer (http://www.dvhardware.net/article27538.html) 2. FASTRA GPU SuperPC (http://fastra.ua.ac.be/en/index.html) I would like to first quote following from http://fastra.ua.ac.be/en/specs.html : "Software overview ------------------ We selected Windows XP-64 as the operating system for FASTRA. There were three reasons for choosing this platform: first, we needed a 64-bit operating system, in order to utilize 8GB of RAM. Second, we expected fewer driver issues on Windows compared to Linux. Third, within the Windows product line, Windows Vista is not yet supported by the NVIDIA GPU Computing platform, leaving Windows XP as the only choice. For development, we use Microsoft Visual Studio 2008. The core functionality for our CPU code is written in C++ (Visual C++), while MATLAB is often used as a front-end for rapid prototyping. All GPU code is developed using the NVIDIA CUDA framework (http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html), a C-like programming language that allows for efficient programming of the NVIDIA GPUs." This opportunity make it available to FreeBSD users has many great benefits. We can use FreeBSD, AMD64 and Nvidia combination at an affordable price for great many computational intensive tasks such as compilation (FreeBSD has a parallel make), rendering, encoding, etc. Of course such supercomputational-ready software should be available first. But the question is, is the FreeBSD infrastructurally ready for that? FreeBSD runs on amd64. But we have following issues: 1. Nvidia doesn't release a driver for amd64. 2. The NVIDIA CUDA framework (http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html), is not available for FreeBSD, but it is available for Linux and Mac OSX. So porting CUDA to FreeBSD may not be a big issue. To resolve the above two issues: 1. FreeBSD should proactively address following issues: - http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2006-June/016995.html - http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests I don't understand why the the FreeBSD project does not organize a Google SoC style project to address the above issues, invite few developers to join the project, either use FreeBSD donated funds or seeks fresh funds for the project (AMD and Nvidia will sure donate if requested as they are direct beneficiaries). The project could be at least to be targeted to commit for upcoming FreeBSD 8.0. I would like to understand why organize such a project is very difficult and what are the issues regarding that. 2. Once above point 1. is fixed, I'm sure the Nvidia will port the CUDA framework to FreeBSD and release a driver for amd64. If not FreeBSD project/foundation can request from Nvidia. Kind regards Unga From olli at lurza.secnetix.de Thu Jun 5 13:25:53 2008 From: olli at lurza.secnetix.de (Oliver Fromme) Date: Thu Jun 5 13:26:00 2008 Subject: [style] Where to put server dirs In-Reply-To: <48470120.8090404@student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: <200806051325.m55DPoGm040972@lurza.secnetix.de> Alphons "Fonz" van Werven wrote: > Just wondering: where would you put server directories, such as the httpd > root dir, the anonymous ftp root dir, the CVS repository, that stuff. Put > it in /usr/local (e.g. /usr/local/cvsroot or /usr/local/httpd), in /var > (e.g. /var/cvs or /var/www), in / (e.g. /cvs or /www), or somewhere else? > > They will be seperate partitions, I'm just curious where people like to > mount them. The answer is "it depends". :-) There is usually a default location. For Apache, the default document root under FreeBSD is /usr/local/www/data or something like that. For anonymous FTP it is the home directory of the "ftp" user, i.e. /home/ftp. Of course those are just the defaults; you can change them whatever you like. I think /var is a bad idea. The /var file system is for data that changes often (i.e. it gets written to often), such as log files, lock files, PID files, spool and queue directories etc. (that's the reason why /var should always be different from the root directory). The write pattern on server directories is usually different. Some people put services alongside the user directories, i.e. there is /home/www, /home/cvs and so on. Another possibility is to create a special top-level directory such as /opt or /srv, and put the services there. If it's a separate file system anyway, it doesn't really matter that much how you call the mount point. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Gesch?ftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht M?n- chen, HRB 125758, Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "anyone new to programming should be kept as far from C++ as possible; actually showing the stuff should be considered a criminal offence" -- Jacek Generowicz From netslists at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 23:08:32 2008 From: netslists at gmail.com (Sten Daniel Soersdal) Date: Thu Jun 12 23:08:38 2008 Subject: Quiet Firewall/Access Point Device In-Reply-To: <200805202230.58040.max@love2party.net> References: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> <200805202230.58040.max@love2party.net> Message-ID: <4851A66F.4030407@gmail.com> Max Laier wrote: > On Tuesday 20 May 2008 22:01:16 Crist J. Clark wrote: >> Right now, I've got an old PC functioning as my firewall/ >> bastion host and as the wireless access point. It's running >> FreeBSD 5.5. I'd like to retire it and its noisy fan (it's >> in the bedroom right now). I'm wondering about fanless PCs >> or even a flash-based system. Something I could put FreeBSD >> on would be nice, but not required. I would like a "general >> purpose" Unix-like OS however. It needs, >> >> - Firewall >> - 802.11ag >> - WEP and WPA >> - IPsec >> - IPv6 >> - SSH >> >> The price? Lower the better obviously. I've Googled for stuff, >> but was hoping for some recommendations from people with >> similar working setup that they are happy with. Anyone out there? > > See e.g. here: > http://www.pfsense.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=50 > I've gotten great mileage out of PCEngines ALIX boards with CM9 (low power) radio card. It's lightening fast compared to the many cheaper/lesser products. BIOS source can be aquired too, in case you want to do some custom stuff. -- Sten Daniel Soersdal From nslay at comcast.net Thu Jun 19 06:41:28 2008 From: nslay at comcast.net (Nathan Lay) Date: Thu Jun 19 06:41:32 2008 Subject: High Performance Computing Message-ID: <4859FB92.4050708@comcast.net> Hi list, I'm a grad student at the School of Computational Science (a poorly chosen name for scientific computing) at FSU. My interests, while not necessarily scientific, is in machine learning. I work on software that trains classifiers on an 8 core Xeon machine and consumes about 15GB of RAM (needed when you train with 103k features!). All the development is presently done on Windows XP64, but I will eventually have to make the software cross platform. We ideally want to use icc (not the old one in ports!) or some other high performance compiler, but these simply don't exist on FreeBSD...we will unfortunately have to use Linux. Words can't even begin describe how gcc doesn't compare to compilers like icc or suncc. I'm very worried that FreeBSD will never take ahold in the HPC community, especially as computers ship with more cores (where FreeBSD is shining!) and make OpenMP, HPF, and similar more attractive than MPI. What can be done to expose FreeBSD to the HPC community? How can we get Intel, Sun and others to support HPC on FreeBSD? I really look forward to the day that FreeBSD runs on that 8 core machine, I'd like to see SMPng at work :) Best Regards, Nathan Lay From ekerberos at web.de Thu Jun 19 13:55:26 2008 From: ekerberos at web.de (Sisantha Godawela-Ohle) Date: Thu Jun 19 13:55:30 2008 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 Message-ID: <677813835@web.de> Hi, i would like to get information regarding "Xorg -configure" on 1x1.4GHZ PIII and 2x1.4GHZ opteron servern with FreeBSD v.7.0. Both gives me this "no devices to configure. configuration fail". But I have the same FeeBSD v 7.0 on 2x1.2GHZ PIII Servers installed and successfully configured the Xorg! All are having on board ati vedio graphics I would be greatly appreciate if someone can give me a solution to this configurations problem. thanks in advance, sincerely, Sisantha -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: > Gesendet: 19.06.08 14:00:35 > An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 > Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. High Performance Computing (Nathan Lay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:24:18 -0400 > From: Nathan Lay > Subject: High Performance Computing > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <4859FB92.4050708@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi list, > I'm a grad student at the School of Computational Science (a poorly > chosen name for scientific computing) at FSU. My interests, while not > necessarily scientific, is in machine learning. I work on software that > trains classifiers on an 8 core Xeon machine and consumes about 15GB of > RAM (needed when you train with 103k features!). All the development is > presently done on Windows XP64, but I will eventually have to make the > software cross platform. We ideally want to use icc (not the old one in > ports!) or some other high performance compiler, but these simply don't > exist on FreeBSD...we will unfortunately have to use Linux. Words can't > even begin describe how gcc doesn't compare to compilers like icc or > suncc. I'm very worried that FreeBSD will never take ahold in the HPC > community, especially as computers ship with more cores (where FreeBSD > is shining!) and make OpenMP, HPF, and similar more attractive than > MPI. What can be done to expose FreeBSD to the HPC community? How can > we get Intel, Sun and others to support HPC on FreeBSD? I really look > forward to the day that FreeBSD runs on that 8 core machine, I'd like to > see SMPng at work :) > > Best Regards, > Nathan Lay > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 > ******************************************** > ______________________________________________________________ Jeden Monat 1 hochkar?tiger maxdome-Blockbuster GRATIS! Exklusiv f?r alle WEB.DE Nutzer. http://www.blockbuster.web.de From dan at langille.org Thu Jun 19 14:15:26 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Thu Jun 19 14:15:31 2008 Subject: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <677813835@web.de> References: <677813835@web.de> Message-ID: On Jun 19, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Sisantha Godawela-Ohle wrote: > Hi, > > i would like to get information regarding "Xorg -configure" on > 1x1.4GHZ PIII and 2x1.4GHZ opteron servern with FreeBSD v.7.0. > Both gives me this "no devices to configure. configuration fail". > But I have the same FeeBSD v 7.0 on 2x1.2GHZ PIII Servers installed > and successfully configured the Xorg! Three suggestions 1 - Start a new email. Do not reply to an existing email. 2 - Post to the freebsd-questions mailing list. 3 - Choose a subject that relates to the question you are asking enjoy > > All are having on board ati vedio graphics > > I would be greatly appreciate if someone can give me a solution > to this configurations problem. > > > thanks in advance, > > sincerely, > > Sisantha > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: >> Gesendet: 19.06.08 14:00:35 >> An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >> Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 > > >> Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> freebsd-chat-request@freebsd.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> freebsd-chat-owner@freebsd.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. High Performance Computing (Nathan Lay) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:24:18 -0400 >> From: Nathan Lay >> Subject: High Performance Computing >> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org >> Message-ID: <4859FB92.4050708@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi list, >> I'm a grad student at the School of Computational Science (a poorly >> chosen name for scientific computing) at FSU. My interests, while >> not >> necessarily scientific, is in machine learning. I work on >> software that >> trains classifiers on an 8 core Xeon machine and consumes about >> 15GB of >> RAM (needed when you train with 103k features!). All the >> development is >> presently done on Windows XP64, but I will eventually have to make >> the >> software cross platform. We ideally want to use icc (not the old >> one in >> ports!) or some other high performance compiler, but these simply >> don't >> exist on FreeBSD...we will unfortunately have to use Linux. Words >> can't >> even begin describe how gcc doesn't compare to compilers like icc or >> suncc. I'm very worried that FreeBSD will never take ahold in the >> HPC >> community, especially as computers ship with more cores (where >> FreeBSD >> is shining!) and make OpenMP, HPF, and similar more attractive than >> MPI. What can be done to expose FreeBSD to the HPC community? >> How can >> we get Intel, Sun and others to support HPC on FreeBSD? I really >> look >> forward to the day that FreeBSD runs on that 8 core machine, I'd >> like to >> see SMPng at work :) >> >> Best Regards, >> Nathan Lay >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- >> unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 264, Issue 1 >> ******************************************** >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Jeden Monat 1 hochkar?tiger maxdome-Blockbuster GRATIS! > Exklusiv f?r alle WEB.DE Nutzer. http://www.blockbuster.web.de > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ From ekerberos at web.de Thu Jun 19 14:55:34 2008 From: ekerberos at web.de (Sisantha Godawela-Ohle) Date: Thu Jun 19 14:55:40 2008 Subject: Message-ID: <678017955@web.de> Hi, i would like to get information regarding "Xorg -configure" on 1x1.4GHZ PIII and 2x1.4GHZ opteron servern with FreeBSD v.7.0. Both gives me this "no devices to configure. configuration fail". But I have the same FeeBSD v 7.0 on 2x1.2GHZ PIII Servers installed and successfully configured the Xorg! All are having on board ati vedio graphics I would be greatly appreciate if someone can give me a solution to this configurations problem. thanks in advance, sincerely, Sisantha _______________________________________________________________________ EINE F?R ALLE: die kostenlose WEB.DE-Plattform f?r Freunde und Deine Homepage mit eigenem Namen. Jetzt starten! http://unddu.de/?kid=kid@mf2 From b.schramm at hotbox.ru Fri Jun 20 02:01:12 2008 From: b.schramm at hotbox.ru (Bastian Schramm) Date: Fri Jun 20 02:01:15 2008 Subject: Nothing serious Message-ID: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> Hi, my name is Bastian, I come from Germany and just want to introduce myself. Im 15 years old, and I use Linux on my Laptop and FreeBSD on my Server. I hope my English is not as bad that this thats spoken by most germans and also I hope that this Mailinglist ist the right place for such things. Regards, Bastian From kris at FreeBSD.org Fri Jun 20 02:19:40 2008 From: kris at FreeBSD.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Fri Jun 20 02:19:42 2008 Subject: Nothing serious In-Reply-To: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> References: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> Message-ID: <485B13BB.6020507@FreeBSD.org> Bastian Schramm wrote: > Hi, > my name is Bastian, I come from Germany and just want to introduce myself. > Im 15 years old, and I use Linux on my Laptop and FreeBSD on my Server. > I hope my English is not as bad that this thats spoken by most germans > and also > I hope that this Mailinglist ist the right place for such things. Welcome! I hope we'll be seeing you around. Kris From des at des.no Fri Jun 20 10:56:51 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Fri Jun 20 10:56:56 2008 Subject: Nothing serious In-Reply-To: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> (Bastian Schramm's message of "Thu\, 19 Jun 2008 21\:53\:11 +0200") References: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> Message-ID: <86skv8e6ez.fsf@ds4.des.no> Bastian Schramm writes: > my name is Bastian, I come from Germany and just want to introduce myself. > Im 15 years old, and I use Linux on my Laptop and FreeBSD on my Server. You know, there are twelve-step programs for people like you... ;) DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From rkramer at mweb.com Fri Jun 20 12:02:25 2008 From: rkramer at mweb.com (Rudi Kramer - MWEB) Date: Fri Jun 20 12:02:33 2008 Subject: Nothing serious References: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> <86skv8e6ez.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A06AF72F7@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> I thought it was a 2 step program? 1) Download http://www.daemonology.net/depenguinator/ 2) run :-) Rudi -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:40 PM To: Bastian Schramm Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Nothing serious Bastian Schramm writes: > my name is Bastian, I come from Germany and just want to introduce myself. > Im 15 years old, and I use Linux on my Laptop and FreeBSD on my Server. You know, there are twelve-step programs for people like you... ;) DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From keramida at freebsd.org Fri Jun 20 19:26:50 2008 From: keramida at freebsd.org (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Fri Jun 20 19:27:17 2008 Subject: Nothing serious In-Reply-To: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> (Bastian Schramm's message of "Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:53:11 +0200") References: <485AB927.6020309@hotbox.ru> Message-ID: <87r6arj53k.fsf@kobe.laptop> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:53:11 +0200, Bastian Schramm wrote: > Hi, > my name is Bastian, I come from Germany and just want to introduce > myself. Im 15 years old, and I use Linux on my Laptop and FreeBSD on > my Server. Welcome Bastian :-) I hope you find a lot of interesting and fun things to do with FreeBSD, and we will keep seeing you around now and then. From b.schramm at hotbox.ru Fri Jun 20 21:59:35 2008 From: b.schramm at hotbox.ru (Bastian Schramm) Date: Fri Jun 20 21:59:40 2008 Subject: Me again Message-ID: <485C283A.4060702@hotbox.ru> Hi, I want to speak with some people, does everyone know a nice IRC-Channel thats only made to talk ? Regards, Bastian From max at love2party.net Sat Jun 21 02:16:16 2008 From: max at love2party.net (Max Laier) Date: Sat Jun 21 02:16:21 2008 Subject: Me again In-Reply-To: <485C283A.4060702@hotbox.ru> References: <485C283A.4060702@hotbox.ru> Message-ID: <200806210414.39308.max@love2party.net> On Friday 20 June 2008 23:59:22 Bastian Schramm wrote: > Hi, > I want to speak with some people, does everyone know a nice IRC-Channel > thats only made to talk ? Check: http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels Herzlich Willkommen, BTW. -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From dandantheitman at gmail.com Sun Jun 22 15:43:40 2008 From: dandantheitman at gmail.com (dandantheitman) Date: Sun Jun 22 15:43:44 2008 Subject: FreeBSD on Apple G4 PowerPC Message-ID: <9ee13d4f0806220819s28681841gb22023290898a643@mail.gmail.com> Morning All, I have been an avid apple mac user for a couple of years and have decided to give FreeBSD a whirl on my PowerBook G4. So went ahead and downloaded the latest FreeBSD7 release for PPC and have attempted to install it. However FreeBSD 7 does not detect my hard drive when I try to partition and slice it. I have looked in the FreeBSD handbook, but it doesn't tell me alot. Any ideas guys ? thanks Dan -- _____________________________________________________________ " They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin 1706 - 1790 From mv at thebeastie.org Mon Jun 23 02:27:52 2008 From: mv at thebeastie.org (Michael Vince) Date: Mon Jun 23 02:27:55 2008 Subject: Supercomputing with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <285746.27928.qm@web57009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <285746.27928.qm@web57009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485F035D.9080403@thebeastie.org> Yes I remember when Nvidia posted that post so they could better support their hardware on FreeBSD, but at least a few FreeBSD developers slammed the Nvidia poster for reasons that appeared to me to be quite unreasonable. While I have not tracked what came out of all that I assumed very little. It reminds me of when OpenBSD got a huge financial contribution to do a few projects for DARPA that would of helped the OpenBSD OS in a bunch of security and related features, but the leader of OpenBSD was arguably 'immature' about where the money was coming from and thus lost the financial contribution, due to some comments he made publicly. These things happen on open projects like these, in theory you will always have people who hate larger bodies of power and I guess its OK for them to voice their opinions, but there should be some good upper leader ship to take advantage of these opportunities, ideally. Mike Unga wrote: > Hi all supercomputing interested guys and gals > > You may have seen this: > 1. University of Antwerp makes 4000EUR NVIDIA > supercomputer > (http://www.dvhardware.net/article27538.html) > > 2. FASTRA GPU SuperPC > (http://fastra.ua.ac.be/en/index.html) > > > I would like to first quote following from > http://fastra.ua.ac.be/en/specs.html : > > "Software overview > ------------------ > > We selected Windows XP-64 as the operating system for > FASTRA. There were three reasons for choosing this > platform: first, we needed a 64-bit operating system, > in order to utilize 8GB of RAM. Second, we expected > fewer driver issues on Windows compared to Linux. > Third, within the Windows product line, Windows Vista > is not yet supported by the NVIDIA GPU Computing > platform, leaving Windows XP as the only choice. For > development, we use Microsoft Visual Studio 2008. The > core functionality for our CPU code is written in C++ > (Visual C++), while MATLAB is often used as a > front-end for rapid prototyping. All GPU code is > developed using the NVIDIA CUDA framework > (http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html), a > C-like programming language that allows for efficient > programming of the NVIDIA GPUs." > > This opportunity make it available to FreeBSD users > has many great benefits. We can use FreeBSD, AMD64 and > Nvidia combination at an affordable price for great > many computational intensive tasks such as compilation > (FreeBSD has a parallel make), rendering, encoding, > etc. Of course such supercomputational-ready software > should be available first. But the question is, is the > FreeBSD infrastructurally ready for that? > > FreeBSD runs on amd64. But we have following issues: > 1. Nvidia doesn't release a driver for amd64. > > 2. The NVIDIA CUDA framework > (http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html), is not > available for FreeBSD, but it is available for Linux > and Mac OSX. So porting CUDA to FreeBSD may not be a > big issue. > > To resolve the above two issues: > 1. FreeBSD should proactively address following > issues: > - > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2006-June/016995.html > - http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests > > I don't understand why the the FreeBSD project does > not organize a Google SoC style project to address the > above issues, invite few developers to join the > project, either use FreeBSD donated funds or seeks > fresh funds for the project (AMD and Nvidia will sure > donate if requested as they are direct beneficiaries). > The project could be at least to be targeted to commit > for upcoming FreeBSD 8.0. I would like to understand > why organize such a project is very difficult and what > are the issues regarding that. > > 2. Once above point 1. is fixed, I'm sure the Nvidia > will port the CUDA framework to FreeBSD and release a > driver for amd64. If not FreeBSD project/foundation > can request from Nvidia. > > Kind regards > Unga > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From philip.s.schulz at googlemail.com Mon Jun 23 12:08:03 2008 From: philip.s.schulz at googlemail.com (Philip Schulz) Date: Mon Jun 23 12:08:36 2008 Subject: FreeBSD on Apple G4 PowerPC In-Reply-To: <9ee13d4f0806220819s28681841gb22023290898a643@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ee13d4f0806220819s28681841gb22023290898a643@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c66db910806230442t547f1d61se0d3686764a318ed@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 2008/6/22 dandantheitman : > Morning All, > > I have been an avid apple mac user for a couple of years and have > decided to give FreeBSD a whirl on my PowerBook G4. So went ahead and > downloaded the latest FreeBSD7 release for PPC and have attempted to > install it. > > However FreeBSD 7 does not detect my hard drive when I try to > partition and slice it. I have looked in the FreeBSD handbook, but it > doesn't tell me alot. > I think what you're seeing is described in PR power/93203. There are instructions on how to install FreeBSD on PowerPC out there, but I can't find them right now. For PowerPC-specific questions ppc@freebsd.org is a good place to ask. HTH, Philip From des at des.no Mon Jun 23 12:40:52 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Mon Jun 23 12:40:57 2008 Subject: Supercomputing with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <485F035D.9080403@thebeastie.org> (Michael Vince's message of "Mon\, 23 Jun 2008 11\:58\:53 +1000") References: <285746.27928.qm@web57009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <485F035D.9080403@thebeastie.org> Message-ID: <86od5smii6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Michael Vince writes: > Yes I remember when Nvidia posted that post so they could better > support their hardware on FreeBSD, but at least a few FreeBSD > developers slammed the Nvidia poster for reasons that appeared to me > to be quite unreasonable. The only people who slammed it were those who had no clue what it was all about. Several of the features nVidia requested are being worked on by those who do. DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From unga888 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 26 04:25:49 2008 From: unga888 at yahoo.com (Unga) Date: Thu Jun 26 04:25:53 2008 Subject: Supercomputing with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <86od5smii6.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <657952.52146.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > From: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav > Subject: Re: Supercomputing with FreeBSD? > To: "Michael Vince" > Cc: "Unga" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 8:40 PM > Michael Vince writes: > > Yes I remember when Nvidia posted that post so they > could better > > support their hardware on FreeBSD, but at least a few > FreeBSD > > developers slammed the Nvidia poster for reasons that > appeared to me > > to be quite unreasonable. > > The only people who slammed it were those who had no clue > what it was > all about. Several of the features nVidia requested are > being worked on > by those who do. > Its finally very good to note people who know how to do it are being working on it. At a time Linux is either fading or struggling on desktop, and at a time Linux developers have to beg for OEMs for open source drivers that they never get, it is the undeniable responsibility of the FreeBSD developers who know how to clear those issues to clear it and make the infrastructure ready for OEMs to develop drivers for FreeBSD. Success of the FreeBSD based desktop depends on the availability of drivers direct from OEMs, ie, from those who have the specs for it. Its up to the OEMs to decide whether to open source the drivers or not. Its only the BSDs can offer this freedom of choice to OEMs, not definitely Linux, which legally demands them to open source only. Another importance of this is, gaming developers are increasingly voice for 64-bit operating systems. Top end game developers find maximum 4GB RAM is a thing of the past, they need very much more. Things that nVidia requested are not only for nVidia, I can remember either Open Sound System developers or Jack developers also mentioned they are also handicapped with non-availability of such features. Good luck for those guys who work on the requirements highlighted by nVidia and get them soon out with FreeBSD 7.X and/or FreeBSD 8.0. Best Regards Unga From des at des.no Thu Jun 26 08:58:31 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Thu Jun 26 08:58:34 2008 Subject: Supercomputing with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <657952.52146.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> (Unga's message of "Wed\, 25 Jun 2008 21\:25\:47 -0700 \(PDT\)") References: <657952.52146.qm@web57008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <86prq41sjv.fsf@ds4.des.no> Unga writes: > At a time Linux is either fading or struggling on desktop, and at a > time Linux developers have to beg for OEMs for open source drivers > that they never get, [...] Linux is neither failing nor struggling on the desktop, nor do the major distributions have any trouble running vendor-provided binary drivers. > Success of the FreeBSD based desktop depends on the availability of > drivers direct from OEMs, ie, from those who have the specs for it. > Its up to the OEMs to decide whether to open source the drivers or > not. Its only the BSDs can offer this freedom of choice to OEMs, not > definitely Linux, which legally demands them to open source only. Linux does not "legally demand" open source drivers. In fact, since Linux's kernel API and ABI are far more stable than FreeBSD's, it is much easier to maintain binary drivers for Linux than it is for FreeBSD. > Another importance of this is, gaming developers are increasingly > voice for 64-bit operating systems. Top end game developers find > maximum 4GB RAM is a thing of the past, they need very much more. Name one example... Some game publishers have released 64-bit versions of selected games, but nobody would even dream of releasing a 64-bit-only game. It would be suicide. Even though > 90% of computers sold today are 64-bit capable, most of them ship with a 32-bit operating system. Considering the expense of shipping and supporting two versions of the same game, I doubt 64-bit games will really take off until a sizeable portion of mid-range computers ship with a 64-bit operating system. I suspect this won't happen for at least another two years. DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net Thu Jun 26 10:54:29 2008 From: carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net (Martin Tournoij) Date: Thu Jun 26 10:54:32 2008 Subject: Stop Adobe Flash Petition Message-ID: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> Sign it here: http://www.petitiononline.com/0034655a/petition.html The number of Adobe Flash sites are growing, and an increasing amount of sites will simply cease to function when Flash is disabled or unavailable. I would like to call to all web developers to (re)consider their use of Flash, while it does have place on the web, it is often used in the wrong way, on the wrong place, in a badly implemented manner. Why I dislike flash: o It often adds little or nothing to a website, most things can often be achieved with either CSS or Javascript (or a combination) which suffer from much less problems. o Flash is not usable, for example it often breaks the back button, "find in page" does not work, setting font size does not work, and many more. o Browser settings such as font size, enabling/disabled sound in web pages etc. do not apply to flash, leaving the page's designer, not the user, in control of the browser. o Flash is not accessible, screen readers, braille displays etc. often have serious difficulty accessing flash pages. o Progressive enhancement is difficult to achieve with flash, unlike for example CSS or Javascript, flash is binary data which interacts poorly with HTML. o Flash is not supported on all operating systems, and only on a very limited set of architectures. o Flash is slow, if you do not have a new $1000 PC but a somewhat older "office PC" flash can be a serious performance hit. o There are a number of security issues with flash, and Adobe has never seemed to quick/concerned to fix them. o Animation is annoying, I want to access information, not watch a "cool" animation. Sincerely, The Undersigned -- Martin Tournoij carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net http://www.daemonforums.org QOTD: I would have made a good pope. -- Richard Nixon From lars.engels at 0x20.net Thu Jun 26 11:28:50 2008 From: lars.engels at 0x20.net (Lars Engels) Date: Thu Jun 26 11:28:53 2008 Subject: Stop Adobe Flash Petition In-Reply-To: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> Message-ID: <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> Quoting Martin Tournoij : > Sign it here: > > http://www.petitiononline.com/0034655a/petition.html > > The number of Adobe Flash sites are growing, and an increasing > amount of sites will simply cease to function when Flash is disabled > or unavailable. > > I would like to call to all web developers to (re)consider their use > of Flash, while it does have place on the web, it is often used in the > wrong way, on the wrong place, in a badly implemented manner. > > Why I dislike flash: > > o It often adds little or nothing to a website, most things can often > be achieved with either CSS or Javascript (or a combination) which > suffer from much less problems. > > o Flash is not usable, for example it often breaks the back button, > "find in page" does not work, setting font size does not work, and > many more. > > o Browser settings such as font size, enabling/disabled sound in web > pages etc. do not apply to flash, leaving the page's designer, not the > user, in control of the browser. > > o Flash is not accessible, screen readers, braille displays etc. often > have serious difficulty accessing flash pages. > > o Progressive enhancement is difficult to achieve with flash, unlike > for example CSS or Javascript, flash is binary data which interacts > poorly with HTML. > > o Flash is not supported on all operating systems, and only on a very > limited set of architectures. > > o Flash is slow, if you do not have a new $1000 PC but a somewhat > older "office PC" flash can be a serious performance hit. > > o There are a number of security issues with flash, and Adobe has > never seemed to quick/concerned to fix them. > > o Animation is annoying, I want to access information, not watch a > "cool" animation. > > Sincerely, > The Undersigned > While I totally agree to the above statements, tell me the sense of an online petition. Do you know a single petition that changed _anything_? The petition is adressed "Web Designers". How should they get aware of the petition? You cannot change the internet with that. Every big commercial site has flash. It's colorful, it's loud, it attracts the people to their products. So you won't convince the webmaster of these sites to change. Flash sucks but we can't avoid it. :-( -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20080626/0120e43d/attachment.pgp From carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net Thu Jun 26 12:14:30 2008 From: carpetsmoker at rwxrwxrwx.net (Martin Tournoij) Date: Thu Jun 26 12:14:32 2008 Subject: Stop Adobe Flash Petition In-Reply-To: <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> References: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> Message-ID: <20080626120141.GA28507@rwxrwxrwx.net> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 01:28:47PM +0200, Lars Engels wrote: > Quoting Martin Tournoij : > >> Sign it here: >> >> http://www.petitiononline.com/0034655a/petition.html >> [..snip..] >> > > While I totally agree to the above statements, tell me the sense of an > online petition. Do you know a single petition that changed _anything_? > The petition is adressed "Web Designers". How should they get aware of the > petition? Of course it won't cause a paradigm shift, but it can be used to show that many people/users are not at all impressed but annoyed with "sleak" flash sites, which might just be enough to convince a few people/sites. Even if only manages to convince a few people .. Is it not worth your 20 seconds? > You cannot change the internet with that. Every big commercial site has > flash. It's colorful, it's loud, it attracts the people to their products. > So you won't convince the webmaster of these sites to change. Actually, that's not true, big commercial sites are usable because more usability == more profit, and since flash != usable, flash == less profit. Big sites like Amazon, Ebay, Google, Yahoo, etc. are all relatively simple websites, it's true that quite a few websites from big companies who's core business is not internet use flash, but this not in those companies best interest either because usability == profit etc. I'm not sure why so many sites from big companies use flash, maybe it's some bigshot suit who thinks he knows best or something... -- Martin Tournoij carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net http://www.daemonforums.org QOTD: The mosquito exists to keep the mighty humble. From a.j.werven at student.utwente.nl Thu Jun 26 12:48:27 2008 From: a.j.werven at student.utwente.nl (Alphons "Fonz" van Werven) Date: Thu Jun 26 12:48:29 2008 Subject: Stop Adobe Flash Petition In-Reply-To: <20080626120141.GA28507@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> <20080626120141.GA28507@rwxrwxrwx.net> Message-ID: <48639014.6070203@student.utwente.nl> Martin Tournoij wrote: > I'm not sure why so many sites from big companies use flash, maybe > it's some bigshot suit who thinks he knows best or something... That probably has a lot to do with it. I think it's often not so much the actual webdesigners but rather their customers (i.e. the companies hiring them) who request Flash because it looks good, not having a clue about its disadvantages. Alphons P.S. There was a long thread about this subject on -questions not so long ago, which can probably be found in the archives. -- If riding in an airplane is flying, then riding in a boat is swimming. If you want to experience the element, get out of the vehicle. From kayve at sfsu.edu Thu Jun 26 19:34:02 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Thu Jun 26 19:34:06 2008 Subject: Stop Adobe Flash Petition In-Reply-To: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> Message-ID: [coment(s) below] On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Martin Tournoij wrote: > Sign it here: > > http://www.petitiononline.com/0034655a/petition.html > > The number of Adobe Flash sites are growing, and an increasing > amount of sites will simply cease to function when Flash is disabled > or unavailable. > > I would like to call to all web developers to (re)consider their use > of Flash, while it does have place on the web, it is often used in the > wrong way, on the wrong place, in a badly implemented manner. > > Why I dislike flash: > > o It often adds little or nothing to a website, most things can often > be achieved with either CSS or Javascript (or a combination) which > suffer from much less problems. > > o Flash is not usable, for example it often breaks the back button, > "find in page" does not work, setting font size does not work, and > many more. > > o Browser settings such as font size, enabling/disabled sound in web > pages etc. do not apply to flash, leaving the page's designer, not the > user, in control of the browser. > > o Flash is not accessible, screen readers, braille displays etc. often > have serious difficulty accessing flash pages. > > o Progressive enhancement is difficult to achieve with flash, unlike > for example CSS or Javascript, flash is binary data which interacts > poorly with HTML. > > o Flash is not supported on all operating systems, and only on a very > limited set of architectures. > Maybe I am missing something, but isn't the petition about getting the FreeBSD desktop to be able to view flash sites (I hope so). If I am mistaken, I apologize for my OT spam. I have a bunch of those emails sitting in my box and I am just now bursting to make a comment here. I _really_ hope that some bounty gets paid or something that implies that I will be able to do cvsup or patch or whatever commands to be able to view flash websites. > o Flash is slow, if you do not have a new $1000 PC but a somewhat > older "office PC" flash can be a serious performance hit. > > o There are a number of security issues with flash, and Adobe has > never seemed to quick/concerned to fix them. > Oh dear. This could be the intractable part of the problem for the time being. However, I fail to see how Adobe could continue with this policy, as surely, nobody wants to be cracked (don't say "hacked" hacking is the sound made by highly technical people when their fingers flurry accross their respective keyboards). > o Animation is annoying, I want to access information, not watch a > "cool" animation. > > Sincerely, > The Undersigned > > -- > Martin Tournoij > carpetsmoker@rwxrwxrwx.net > http://www.daemonforums.org > > QOTD: > I would have made a good pope. > -- Richard Nixon > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From jcw at highperformance.net Fri Jun 27 15:11:41 2008 From: jcw at highperformance.net (Jason C. Wells) Date: Fri Jun 27 15:11:44 2008 Subject: Stop Adobe Flash Petition In-Reply-To: <20080626120141.GA28507@rwxrwxrwx.net> References: <20080626103955.GA28128@rwxrwxrwx.net> <20080626132847.abf4caa680k0wwgg@0x20.net> <20080626120141.GA28507@rwxrwxrwx.net> Message-ID: <4864FC35.8030308@highperformance.net> Martin Tournoij wrote: > Even if only manages to convince a few people .. Is it not worth your > 20 seconds? No. Later, Jason (5 seconds worth there, dangit, i have to be more productive) From reed at reedmedia.net Fri Jun 27 23:24:36 2008 From: reed at reedmedia.net (Jeremy C. Reed) Date: Fri Jun 27 23:24:54 2008 Subject: bsd.slashdot.org? favorite BSD news site? Message-ID: Can anyone here help with posting to bsd.slashdot.org? It seems like it rarely published what is submitted. My own experience and others have told me that they have submitted BSD news that is never published there. Also what is your favorite reliable BSD news site? I know of a BSD book review that needs a home. (I haven't seen the article yet.)