From leafy7382 at gmail.com Fri Jul 4 06:13:12 2008 From: leafy7382 at gmail.com (Jiawei Ye) Date: Fri Jul 4 06:13:19 2008 Subject: Apple to adopt ULE scheduler in next version of OS/X? Message-ID: I came across this interesting piece of blog entry http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/os-x-snow-leopard-to-use-ule-scheduler/ Comments anyone? -- "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then to the end user it's a duck, and end users have made it pretty clear they want a duck; whether the duck drinks hot chocolate or coffee is irrelevant." From des at des.no Fri Jul 4 10:09:09 2008 From: des at des.no (=?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?=) Date: Fri Jul 4 10:09:16 2008 Subject: Apple to adopt ULE scheduler in next version of OS/X? In-Reply-To: (Jiawei Ye's message of "Fri\, 4 Jul 2008 13\:48\:29 +0800") References: Message-ID: <863amqhsfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> "Jiawei Ye" writes: > I came across this interesting piece of blog entry > > http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/os-x-snow-leopard-to-use-ule-scheduler/ > > Comments anyone? Short version: bullshit. The slightly longer version is that this is unfounded speculation - not even that, it's just a random blogger expressing a wish that Apple would do something which they most likely have no reason for or interest in doing. It also greatly exaggerates the benefits of ULE. It's good, but it's not a revolutionary breakthrough in computer science. DES -- Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav - des@des.no From jcw at highperformance.net Fri Jul 4 23:42:15 2008 From: jcw at highperformance.net (Jason C. Wells) Date: Fri Jul 4 23:42:23 2008 Subject: Scrappy BSD-ophiles In-Reply-To: <863amqhsfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <863amqhsfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: <486EB18B.90408@highperformance.net> Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > Short version: bullshit. > > The slightly longer version is that this is unfounded speculation - not > even that, it's just a random blogger expressing a wish that Apple would > do something which they most likely have no reason for or interest in > doing. > > It also greatly exaggerates the benefits of ULE. It's good, but it's > not a revolutionary breakthrough in computer science. What I really want to know is, "Who would win in a fight, Theo de Raadt or Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav?" Never mind what Brian Boitano would do. :) Regards, Jason From chuckr at telenix.org Sat Jul 5 00:57:57 2008 From: chuckr at telenix.org (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat Jul 5 00:58:04 2008 Subject: Scrappy BSD-ophiles In-Reply-To: <486EB18B.90408@highperformance.net> References: <863amqhsfw.fsf@ds4.des.no> <486EB18B.90408@highperformance.net> Message-ID: <486EBE69.7030804@telenix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jason C. Wells wrote: > Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > >> Short version: bullshit. >> >> The slightly longer version is that this is unfounded speculation - not >> even that, it's just a random blogger expressing a wish that Apple would >> do something which they most likely have no reason for or interest in >> doing. >> >> It also greatly exaggerates the benefits of ULE. It's good, but it's >> not a revolutionary breakthrough in computer science. > > What I really want to know is, "Who would win in a fight, Theo de Raadt > or Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav?" Never mind what Brian Boitano would do. :) That absolutely depends on what's being tested. Seeing as I like being able to sleep without a bodyguard, I am not going to get any more specific. I remember some classic TDR rants .... (shut up, Chuck!) As far as the Apple stuff goes, I forgot until just now, but I've read very nearly identical things from Apple-aficionados at nearly every major turn of the Apple trek. They almost use the same language, and honestly has never been a big consideration. Think about, you can remember earlier posts too, can't you? > > Regards, > Jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhuvmkACgkQz62J6PPcoOkIBACgmHtn9VxcUQ20NEBA8SXWyjs+ W/kAnAhukjBngxAFNuJROvUEU2jx+aSj =dzw9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rsidd120 at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 10:32:46 2008 From: rsidd120 at gmail.com (Rahul Siddharthan) Date: Wed Jul 9 10:32:53 2008 Subject: Questions on FreeBSD today Message-ID: <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> I've been away from FreeBSD for a few years -- I briefly gave 7.0-CURRENT a spin last year, on an old laptop, but didn't stick with it. However, I'll likely be getting a new laptop soon and I'm tired of linux (and especially tired of Ubuntu, which thinks it's smarter than me.) So I'm seriously considering FreeBSD 7. On the plus side, I've done quite a lot of C programming (though not system-level) since I last used FreeBSD, so I can try some hackery if I need to. On the minus side, I don't want to spend all my time fixing ports or patching device drivers -- I'd rather have a system that just works, and lets me focus on my work. Anyway, I have a few questions: 1. My biggest peeve was the tendency to crash when pulling out USB memory sticks (especially if they were mounted, but sometimes even if they were unmounted). Kris Kennaway told me in a private mail that this has been fixed in 8-CURRENT. Is that so, and has it been MFC'd? 2. Can I run 32-bit linux binaries (like Adobe Reader) on a 64-bit FreeBSD setup? 3. How good is Wine on FreeBSD? Can I expect it to be almost as good as Wine on Linux? 4. Is UFS/gjournal at least as reliable as, say, ext3? I don't want long fsck's every time I shutdown uncleanly. 5. Do linux binaries that require ALSA (eg, flash plugin 9/10) work? 6. Can I run Windows Vista (likely to be preinstalled -- no choice) under Xen or qemu? 7. How good is power management, in particular cpufreq and ACPI suspend-to-RAM? (I suppose the answer depends on the laptop model.) Thanks, Rahul From max at love2party.net Wed Jul 9 14:11:16 2008 From: max at love2party.net (Max Laier) Date: Wed Jul 9 14:11:22 2008 Subject: Questions on FreeBSD today In-Reply-To: <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200807091608.30730.max@love2party.net> On Wednesday 09 July 2008 12:04:42 Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > I've been away from FreeBSD for a few years -- I briefly gave > 7.0-CURRENT a spin last year, on an old laptop, but didn't > stick with it. However, I'll likely be getting a new laptop soon > and I'm tired of linux (and especially tired of Ubuntu, which > thinks it's smarter than me.) > > So I'm seriously considering FreeBSD 7. On the plus side, I've > done quite a lot of C programming (though not system-level) > since I last used FreeBSD, so I can try some hackery if I need to. > On the minus side, I don't want to spend all my time fixing ports > or patching device drivers -- I'd rather have a system that just > works, and lets me focus on my work. Anyway, I have a few > questions: > > 1. My biggest peeve was the tendency to crash when pulling > out USB memory sticks (especially if they were mounted, > but sometimes even if they were unmounted). Kris Kennaway > told me in a private mail that this has been fixed in 8-CURRENT. > Is that so, and has it been MFC'd? No idea, sorry. > 2. Can I run 32-bit linux binaries (like Adobe Reader) on a 64-bit > FreeBSD setup? Yes. > 3. How good is Wine on FreeBSD? Can I expect it to be almost > as good as Wine on Linux? There is some ongoing effort from pcbsd.org to improve wine support. AFAIK, it's pretty decent already. > 4. Is UFS/gjournal at least as reliable as, say, ext3? I don't > want long fsck's every time I shutdown uncleanly. If you are going to run amd64 and have 1gb+ of ram, zfs is your friend! But UFS+gjournal works really well, too. I doubt, however, that you will really need a journal on a Laptop with <500GB HDD. > 5. Do linux binaries that require ALSA (eg, flash plugin 9/10) > work? Flash is a PITA, but sound support is not the problem. > 6. Can I run Windows Vista (likely to be preinstalled -- no > choice) under Xen or qemu? AFAIK, we don't support Xen dom0 yet. qemu should work, but that's a question for somebody who knows their windows. > 7. How good is power management, in particular cpufreq > and ACPI suspend-to-RAM? (I suppose the answer depends > on the laptop model.) cpufreq is well-supported, though you might encounter problems with the newest CPU families. Everything else is a WIP and you shouldn't expect anything to work out of the box, sorry. -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From lme at FreeBSD.org Wed Jul 9 14:34:17 2008 From: lme at FreeBSD.org (Lars Engels) Date: Wed Jul 9 14:34:23 2008 Subject: Questions on FreeBSD today In-Reply-To: <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709163415.sqz7ibbvj4cgkoso@0x20.net> Quoting Rahul Siddharthan : > I've been away from FreeBSD for a few years -- I briefly gave > 7.0-CURRENT a spin last year, on an old laptop, but didn't > stick with it. However, I'll likely be getting a new laptop soon > and I'm tired of linux (and especially tired of Ubuntu, which > thinks it's smarter than me.) > > So I'm seriously considering FreeBSD 7. On the plus side, I've > done quite a lot of C programming (though not system-level) > since I last used FreeBSD, so I can try some hackery if I need to. > On the minus side, I don't want to spend all my time fixing ports > or patching device drivers -- I'd rather have a system that just > works, and lets me focus on my work. Anyway, I have a few > questions: > > 1. My biggest peeve was the tendency to crash when pulling > out USB memory sticks (especially if they were mounted, > but sometimes even if they were unmounted). Kris Kennaway > told me in a private mail that this has been fixed in 8-CURRENT. > Is that so, and has it been MFC'd? Yes, that's fixed in CURRENT. I don't know if it is / will be merged back to STABLE. > 3. How good is Wine on FreeBSD? Can I expect it to be almost > as good as Wine on Linux? It is not as good as Wine on Linux, but it's pretty good already. I use it from time to time. > 5. Do linux binaries that require ALSA (eg, flash plugin 9/10) > work? There's a very buggy port of flash 9 which crashes you browser _but_ as you like to use wine, you can just run Windows Firefox with Flash plugin 9/10 without problems. > > 6. Can I run Windows Vista (likely to be preinstalled -- no > choice) under Xen or qemu? Sorry, no support for Xen yet. AFAIK there is some work ongoing to get VirtualBox running on FreeBSD, but I don't know the current status. qemu runs nicely with kqemu-kmod. I don't know if you can run Vista with it. I heard that XP doesn't run too fast with it but can be usable. > 7. How good is power management, in particular cpufreq > and ACPI suspend-to-RAM? (I suppose the answer depends > on the laptop model.) You are right here. It depends on the model. There are some problems which prevent multi-core machines to resume after suspend, so you'd need to disable all but one core. FreeBSD is a great system, but you hit some of its weak spots here. ;-) Lars -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: Digitale PGP-Unterschrift Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20080709/fd2bcd21/attachment.pgp From bakul at bitblocks.com Wed Jul 9 16:42:06 2008 From: bakul at bitblocks.com (Bakul Shah) Date: Wed Jul 9 16:42:12 2008 Subject: Questions on FreeBSD today In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:34:42 +0530." <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080709162448.006D15B75@mail.bitblocks.com> On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:34:42 +0530 "Rahul Siddharthan" wrote: ... > So I'm seriously considering FreeBSD 7. On the plus side, I've > done quite a lot of C programming (though not system-level) > since I last used FreeBSD, so I can try some hackery if I need to. > On the minus side, I don't want to spend all my time fixing ports > or patching device drivers -- I'd rather have a system that just > works, and lets me focus on my work. Anyway, I have a few > questions: ... > 6. Can I run Windows Vista (likely to be preinstalled -- no > choice) under Xen or qemu? qemu support on FreeBSD is pretty good. If Vista runs on linux qemu, it will run on FreeBSD qemu. But why would you want to run it? Just because you were forced to buy a torture device doesn't mean you have to use it on yourself. [Ok, ok, Vista is not all that bad!] You do have a choice. Buy a Macbook. Things just work (and it appears that for some strange reason you do want that). From freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de Wed Jul 9 18:45:08 2008 From: freebsd-listen at fabiankeil.de (Fabian Keil) Date: Wed Jul 9 18:45:15 2008 Subject: Questions on FreeBSD today In-Reply-To: <20080709163415.sqz7ibbvj4cgkoso@0x20.net> References: <6a506d980807090304i1b7bde5ah66fcc9690b7b0f1e@mail.gmail.com> <20080709163415.sqz7ibbvj4cgkoso@0x20.net> Message-ID: <20080709195421.09faf180@fabiankeil.de> Lars Engels wrote: > Quoting Rahul Siddharthan : > > 1. My biggest peeve was the tendency to crash when pulling > > out USB memory sticks (especially if they were mounted, > > but sometimes even if they were unmounted). Kris Kennaway > > told me in a private mail that this has been fixed in 8-CURRENT. > > Is that so, and has it been MFC'd? > > Yes, that's fixed in CURRENT. I don't know if it is / will be merged > back to STABLE. I don't think so. Unplugging USB devices at the wrong time still pretty reliably crashes my FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #25: Fri Jun 27 17:43:17 CEST 2008 system. 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Here's the link. http://www.avidemux.org/admForum/viewtopic.php?id=4857 From naddy at mips.inka.de Fri Jul 11 23:47:12 2008 From: naddy at mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Fri Jul 11 23:47:19 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead Message-ID: Today I thought I'd hook up a simple DCF77 radio clock receiver, serial port type, by way of a USB-to-serial converter. Just to see how this compares to the same gadget hooked up to an actual serial port (which are getting rare). ntpd[37130]: ntpd 4.2.0-a Sun Jul 6 13:31:43 CEST 2008 (1) ntpd[37130]: PARSE receiver #1: parse_start: tcsetattr(14, &tio): Input/output error ntpd[37130]: internal error: refclockio structure not found It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required speed of 50 baud anymore. The times they are a-changin'. [Please note that I have posted this as a curious observation; it is not a request for assistance.] -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From doconnor at gsoft.com.au Sat Jul 12 01:12:16 2008 From: doconnor at gsoft.com.au (Daniel O'Connor) Date: Sat Jul 12 01:12:24 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200807121018.39240.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Today I thought I'd hook up a simple DCF77 radio clock receiver, > serial port type, by way of a USB-to-serial converter. Just to see > how this compares to the same gadget hooked up to an actual serial > port (which are getting rare). > > ntpd[37130]: ntpd 4.2.0-a Sun Jul 6 13:31:43 CEST 2008 (1) > ntpd[37130]: PARSE receiver #1: parse_start: tcsetattr(14, &tio): > Input/output error ntpd[37130]: internal error: refclockio structure > not found > > It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required > speed of 50 baud anymore. > > The times they are a-changin'. > > > [Please note that I have posted this as a curious observation; it > is not a request for assistance.] You know, it might actually support it if you hack up the driver. The source says the PL2303X "can set any rate". Worth a try anyway :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20080712/1b7b7e6b/attachment.pgp From naddy at mips.inka.de Sat Jul 12 10:58:48 2008 From: naddy at mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Sat Jul 12 10:58:55 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead References: <200807121018.39240.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required > > speed of 50 baud anymore. > > You know, it might actually support it if you hack up the driver. > The source says the PL2303X "can set any rate". The data sheet disagrees. "The flexible baud rate generator of PL-2303X could be programmed to generate any rate between 75 bps and 6Mbps." -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From doconnor at gsoft.com.au Sun Jul 13 00:34:53 2008 From: doconnor at gsoft.com.au (Daniel O'Connor) Date: Sun Jul 13 00:35:00 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead In-Reply-To: References: <200807121018.39240.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: <200807131004.43681.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required > > > speed of 50 baud anymore. > > > > You know, it might actually support it if you hack up the driver. > > The source says the PL2303X "can set any rate". > > The data sheet disagrees. > > "The flexible baud rate generator of PL-2303X could be programmed to > generate any rate between 75 bps and 6Mbps." I guess you're out of luck then :( It would be pretty straightforward to get a microcontroller to interface to it instead (eg dual UART) Hmm, I wonder if you can oversample and use a higher baud rate (obviously would require modified ntpd) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20080713/da56f905/attachment.pgp From wblock at wonkity.com Sun Jul 13 16:29:15 2008 From: wblock at wonkity.com (Warren Block) Date: Sun Jul 13 16:29:22 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead In-Reply-To: <200807131004.43681.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> References: <200807121018.39240.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200807131004.43681.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >> Daniel O'Connor wrote: >>>> It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required >>>> speed of 50 baud anymore. >>> >>> You know, it might actually support it if you hack up the driver. >>> The source says the PL2303X "can set any rate". >> >> The data sheet disagrees. >> >> "The flexible baud rate generator of PL-2303X could be programmed to >> generate any rate between 75 bps and 6Mbps." > > I guess you're out of luck then :( Or just try it at 75 and see if there's enough slop to read the 50 baud data. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From chuckr at telenix.org Sun Jul 13 17:03:20 2008 From: chuckr at telenix.org (Chuck Robey) Date: Sun Jul 13 17:03:26 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead In-Reply-To: References: <200807121018.39240.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200807131004.43681.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Message-ID: <487A32BB.1040306@telenix.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >>> Daniel O'Connor wrote: >>>>> It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required >>>>> speed of 50 baud anymore. >>>> >>>> You know, it might actually support it if you hack up the driver. >>>> The source says the PL2303X "can set any rate". >>> >>> The data sheet disagrees. >>> >>> "The flexible baud rate generator of PL-2303X could be programmed to >>> generate any rate between 75 bps and 6Mbps." >> >> I guess you're out of luck then :( > > Or just try it at 75 and see if there's enough slop to read the 50 baud > data. There won't be, 50% is way too far off, I think (from experiments I did 30 years back) that about 12% is the limit, when I had access to the best regenerators. Regens don't even get used anymore. I forget the actual limit I probed, but I know 1/2 over is way too far to go. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkh6MrsACgkQz62J6PPcoOmBrwCfRIbcU4yoZrApBR32AYdFBqtn t6wAn1yw4mK9WE0jxjEu7/XTI1iG/y3N =mZOo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan at langille.org Mon Jul 14 01:23:37 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Mon Jul 14 01:23:44 2008 Subject: DNS provider recommendations Message-ID: Folks: Do you have a recommendation for a DNS provider? The client has about 5 domains. They aren't highly technical. So far I've seen UltraDNS and DNSMadeEasy. -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ From kayve at sfsu.edu Mon Jul 14 02:44:16 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Mon Jul 14 02:44:23 2008 Subject: DNS provider recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: cc:ing the proprietor Rudy Rucker http://www.monkeybrains.net/ On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Dan Langille wrote: > Folks: > > Do you have a recommendation for a DNS provider? The client has about 5 > domains. They aren't highly technical. > > So far I've seen UltraDNS and DNSMadeEasy. > > -- > Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From kayve at sfsu.edu Mon Jul 14 03:00:12 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Mon Jul 14 03:00:18 2008 Subject: DNS provider recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Dan Langille wrote: How about www.monkeybrains.net ? > Folks: > > Do you have a recommendation for a DNS provider? The client has about 5 > domains. They aren't highly technical. > > So far I've seen UltraDNS and DNSMadeEasy. > > -- > Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From nomadlogic at gmail.com Mon Jul 14 17:56:02 2008 From: nomadlogic at gmail.com (pete wright) Date: Mon Jul 14 17:56:08 2008 Subject: DNS provider recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57d710000807141027l1c8be7b7jbc6c42e180bc309a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > Folks: > > Do you have a recommendation for a DNS provider? The client has about 5 > domains. They aren't highly technical. > > So far I've seen UltraDNS and DNSMadeEasy. > Hey Dan, I'm actually happy with www.dyndns.org. it's a freebsd shop - and i've moved my registration and dns mgt over to them. -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From emailrob at emailrob.com Mon Jul 14 21:30:04 2008 From: emailrob at emailrob.com (spellberg_robert) Date: Mon Jul 14 21:30:11 2008 Subject: 50 baud is dead References: <200807121018.39240.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200807131004.43681.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <487A32BB.1040306@telenix.org> Message-ID: <487BB178.90000@emailrob.com> Chuck Robey wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Warren Block wrote: > >>On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >>> >>>>Daniel O'Connor wrote: >>>> >>>>>>It turns out that uplcom(4) adapters don't support the required >>>>>>speed of 50 baud anymore. >>>>> >>>>>You know, it might actually support it if you hack up the driver. >>>>>The source says the PL2303X "can set any rate". >>>> >>>>The data sheet disagrees. >>>> >>>>"The flexible baud rate generator of PL-2303X could be programmed to >>>> generate any rate between 75 bps and 6Mbps." >>> >>>I guess you're out of luck then :( >> >>Or just try it at 75 and see if there's enough slop to read the 50 baud >>data. > > There won't be, 50% is way too far off, I think (from experiments I did 30 years > back) that about 12% is the limit, when I had access to the best regenerators. > Regens don't even get used anymore. I forget the actual limit I probed, but I > know 1/2 over is way too far to go. > >>-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA first, in very round numbers, you get about five per cent error in the bit_time for fifty per cent error in ten bits. usually, there are three reads, all near the center of the bit_time. so, ya gotta be kinda close. two per cent leaves plenty of room for slop. i have an inexpensive hardware solution. if any one is interested, please respond off_list, unless you think it appropriate for -chat. rob From nomadlogic at gmail.com Tue Jul 15 00:39:12 2008 From: nomadlogic at gmail.com (pete wright) Date: Tue Jul 15 00:39:18 2008 Subject: Vancouver BC Jobs? Message-ID: <57d710000807141739v16c3598dj9408724d37a3be13@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I am currently working in Los Angeles for a Special Effects house, but I'll be getting married in Oct and am planning on moving up to BC after the wedding. I've started looking around for work up there - but was wondering if anyone on this list has any pointers on getting gigs up there. I have large scale Unix experience as a system engineer - and have been concentrating on opening up new facilities in India, New Mexico, the UK etc - but frankly I'd love to work for any company that has challenging, interesting work up there. A bonus would be the ability to telecommute (my fiance is originally from the Okanagan), but we realize we are going to have to live in Van for a while - which is great 'cause I love Vancouver :) Anyway, figured I'd ping this list to see if anyone here has any hints, tips or pointers. Thanks! -pete ps -> I didn't hit jobs@ since I'm not posting work - but if that is a better forum for this topic please let me know! -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group From kayve at sfsu.edu Thu Jul 17 05:01:06 2008 From: kayve at sfsu.edu (KAYVEN RIESE) Date: Thu Jul 17 05:01:13 2008 Subject: I'm sorry about being a jerk regarding Sysinstall a week or so ago In-Reply-To: <784966050807160640q31f13160t91702a150bd5b152@mail.gmail.com> References: <784966050807160640q31f13160t91702a150bd5b152@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: WHAT? I wasn't the JERK?? {:D YAAAY FOR ME! I thought I was the jerk. {:P Couldn't remember why. On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Rob wrote: > Hi, > > I've very sorry about being such a jerk about my complaint regarding > Sysinstall a week or so ago. It was a week where I was getting 2 hours of > sleep per day. Finally my PCP had to intervene and knock me out with big > doses of sleeping pills. :) It occasionally happens, then I have half a > dozen apologies to make. I promise I will never mention Sysinstall again! > > I continue to use FreeBSD as I have for the last 10 years and I guess my > biggest contribution has been making it known to people and evangelizing it, > as it really does blow away Linux in performance. > > Sincerely, Rob > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.youtube.com/user/whiteflluffyclouds > (Ham radio videos) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From jtanis at mdchs.org Sun Jul 20 16:29:21 2008 From: jtanis at mdchs.org (James Tanis) Date: Sun Jul 20 16:29:39 2008 Subject: DNS provider recommendations In-Reply-To: <57d710000807141027l1c8be7b7jbc6c42e180bc309a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12c29a2ff80ffa706cd2ba7391ff37dd@portal.mdchs.org> >> Do you have a recommendation for a DNS provider? The client has about 5 >> domains. They aren't highly technical. >> >> So far I've seen UltraDNS and DNSMadeEasy. >> > Hey Dan, > I'm actually happy with www.dyndns.org. it's a freebsd shop - and > i've moved my registration and dns mgt over to them. > I've been using zoneedit.com for years and years, I have my personal dns and my workplaces dns over there without any problems. They serve up to 5 domains free per account I believe, and also have (non-free but cheap) services like mx backup which are nice. -- James Tanis Technical Coordinator Monsignor Donovan Catholic High School e: jtanis@mdchs.org From dan at langille.org Sun Jul 20 22:37:53 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Sun Jul 20 22:38:22 2008 Subject: OSCON anyone? Message-ID: <48839407.5040903@langille.org> Who is in town for OSCON? I'm here until Saturday. FYI: Portland, OR, USA: http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/content/home From doomnix at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 23:01:27 2008 From: doomnix at comcast.net (Allen Kenner) Date: Sun Jul 20 23:01:34 2008 Subject: FreeBSD 7 Message-ID: <20080720230127.77FF98FC12@mx1.freebsd.org> I've been hearing a lot of good things about FreeBSD 7 and so I finally downloaded it as the latest version I had was like 6.2 or something. Seems nice. Does anyone know when the next time "The Complete FreeBSD" book is going to be released? I've always liked that book and I'd like to have a newer version of it on paper. My favorite one was "The Complete FreeBSD" 3rd edition. I have a newer one but I just always loved the way that version looked. It has a nice design, and cover, and overall I love it the most. And I don't need a bookmark because of the front cover doubling as one when you extended it. Good time heh. Thanks, -Allen From keramida at ceid.upatras.gr Mon Jul 21 02:06:26 2008 From: keramida at ceid.upatras.gr (Giorgos Keramidas) Date: Mon Jul 21 02:06:34 2008 Subject: FreeBSD 7 In-Reply-To: <20080720230127.77FF98FC12@mx1.freebsd.org> (Allen Kenner's message of "Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:27 -0400") References: <20080720230127.77FF98FC12@mx1.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <87r69oqa58.fsf@kobe.laptop> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:53:27 -0400, Allen Kenner wrote: > I've been hearing a lot of good things about FreeBSD 7 and so I finally > downloaded it as the latest version I had was like 6.2 or > something. Seems nice. > > Does anyone know when the next time "The Complete FreeBSD" book is > going to be released? I've always liked that book and I'd like to have > a newer version of it on paper. My favorite one was "The Complete > FreeBSD" 3rd edition. I have a newer one but I just always loved the > way that version looked. It has a nice design, and cover, and overall > I love it the most. And I don't need a bookmark because of the front > cover doubling as one when you extended it. Good time heh. ``The Complete FreeBSD'' has been released by its author, Greg Lehey, under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 license now. You can get its complete sources and a PDF version at: http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ I don't know if Greg plans to publish an updated version, though. If I am reading the text of that page correctly, then the version on the site is slightly updated, but Greg cannot keep maitaining it anymore: ``Still, I think that "The Complete FreeBSD" is a unique book, and it's probably worth maintaining. But I can't do it myself. So: I'm making the sources available under the "Creative Commons" license (the book itself has been under this license since the O'Reilly edition).'' The fourth edition, published in 2003 by O'Reilly's "Community Press" series is, AFAICT, the last version that appeared on paper. If you like the book so much, maybe it's worth buying _that_ version. On the other hand, if you feel ambitious enough and you can help update the Creative Commons edition of the book, I think you should speak with Greg :) - Giorgos From matt at ixsystems.com Mon Jul 21 17:40:42 2008 From: matt at ixsystems.com (Matt Olander) Date: Mon Jul 21 17:40:49 2008 Subject: OSCON anyone? In-Reply-To: <48839407.5040903@langille.org> References: <48839407.5040903@langille.org> Message-ID: <60A03C4F-8A64-499F-8902-B75BB3198BD0@ixsystems.com> On Jul 20, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Dan Langille wrote: > Who is in town for OSCON? I'm here until Saturday. Hey Dan! I'm flying in on Tuesday. I'll drop you a note when I get in. -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From conrads at cox.net Tue Jul 22 01:26:41 2008 From: conrads at cox.net (Conrad J. Sabatier) Date: Tue Jul 22 01:26:48 2008 Subject: Hard drive data recovery shops for FreeBSD partitions? Message-ID: <20080721201247.74729700@serene.no-ip.org> I have an external Western Digital USB drive that is no longer accessible. On power-up, it just makes a clickety-clackety noise for a few seconds, and then any attempts to read from the drive fail. I'm reasonably certain the problem is in the arm/head mechanism, and that the data on the drive is most likely still intact. Does anyone know of a data recovery shop *anywhere* that can handle FreeBSD UFS2 partitions? Thanks! -- Science is the record of dead religions. -- Oscar Wilde From mark.picone at deakin.edu.au Tue Jul 22 02:02:01 2008 From: mark.picone at deakin.edu.au (Mark Picone) Date: Tue Jul 22 02:10:35 2008 Subject: Hard drive data recovery shops for FreeBSD partitions? In-Reply-To: <20080721201247.74729700@serene.no-ip.org> References: <20080721201247.74729700@serene.no-ip.org> Message-ID: <488538BC.4020803@deakin.edu.au> Hi Conrad, I would recommend you speak to these guys and find out: http://www.ontrackdatarecovery.com/ Cheers, Mark Picone, Trainee Unix Administrator Information Technology Services Division Phone: 03 5227 8602 International: +61 3 5227 0806 Fax: 03 5227 8799 International: +61 3 5227 8799 Email: mark.picone@deakin.edu.au Website: http://www.deakin.edu.au Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: > I have an external Western Digital USB drive that is no longer > accessible. On power-up, it just makes a clickety-clackety noise for a > few seconds, and then any attempts to read from the drive fail. > > I'm reasonably certain the problem is in the arm/head mechanism, and that > the data on the drive is most likely still intact. > > Does anyone know of a data recovery shop *anywhere* that can handle > FreeBSD UFS2 partitions? > > Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20080722/8508050a/signature.pgp From skeptikos at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 06:07:29 2008 From: skeptikos at gmail.com (christopher) Date: Tue Jul 22 06:07:35 2008 Subject: Hard drive data recovery shops for FreeBSD partitions? In-Reply-To: <488538BC.4020803@deakin.edu.au> References: <20080721201247.74729700@serene.no-ip.org> <488538BC.4020803@deakin.edu.au> Message-ID: <20080721224122.ac4862ef.skeptikos@gmail.com> I'd be interested how this turns out ~ Chris -- christopher From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Tue Jul 22 14:37:48 2008 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Tue Jul 22 14:37:54 2008 Subject: spotted in the wild... Message-ID: <4885F0A8.3080609@infracaninophile.co.uk> Dear all, Right about here: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=westwood+cross&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.994514,25.136719&ie=UTF8&ll=51.359827,1.395685&spn=0.001546,0.003068&t=h&z=19 where all those cars are parked in the satellite view is now a building site. It's 'phase II' of the large shopping center to the north-east of that image. All along that road there is a temporary wall of plywood panels, painted up blue and white and with the main contractor's logo repeated everywhere. Pretty standard for a largish building site nowadays. By now, gentle reader, I expect you're all asking "Well, of what possible relevance is this, Matthew?" Just this: between the logos there are some architects impressions of the finished row of shops. They're obviously all made up shop boards from who knows where. You'll be pleased to hear that FreeBSD apparently has taken a lease on a 1000sq foot set of premises and the logo will be displayed prominently in letters a meter high -- red text in the authentic style and red horny-ball logo and all. I couldn't believe it when I caught sight of it as I was driving past. Unfortunately, there was no opportunity (or means) to take pictures. I wonder if they asked permission at all? Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Haven't followed up any further yet, as money's a little tight at the moment. But it's nice to know there *is* a solution available for us. -- PROOF OF GOD #233. THE STEWARDSHIP ARGUMENT (1) God gave us the earth to take care of. (2) We take care of it. (3) Therefore, God exists. From dan at langille.org Tue Jul 29 15:15:49 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Tue Jul 29 15:15:55 2008 Subject: spotted in the wild... In-Reply-To: <4885F0A8.3080609@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <4885F0A8.3080609@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <17A7861F-8F3D-47F6-A68C-B169AB30691E@langille.org> On Jul 22, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Dear all, > > Right about here: > > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=westwood > +cross&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.994514,25.136719&ie=UTF8&ll=51. > 359827,1.395685&spn=0.001546,0.003068&t=h&z=19 > > where all those cars are parked in the satellite view is now a > building > site. It's 'phase II' of the large shopping center to the north- > east of > that image. > All along that road there is a temporary wall of plywood panels, > painted > up blue and white and with the main contractor's logo repeated > everywhere. > Pretty standard for a largish building site nowadays. > > By now, gentle reader, I expect you're all asking "Well, of what > possible relevance is this, Matthew?" I was, about two paragraphs above... > > Just this: between the logos there are some architects impressions of > the finished row of shops. They're obviously all made up shop boards > from who knows where. You'll be pleased to hear that FreeBSD > apparently > has taken a lease on a 1000sq foot set of premises and the logo > will be > displayed prominently in letters a meter high -- red text in the > authentic style and red horny-ball logo and all. > > I couldn't believe it when I caught sight of it as I was driving past. > Unfortunately, there was no opportunity (or means) to take pictures. I > wonder if they asked permission at all? So, I guess you'll have to drop by again, this time with a camera... -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ From m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk Wed Jul 30 10:57:59 2008 From: m.seaman at infracaninophile.co.uk (Matthew Seaman) Date: Wed Jul 30 10:58:06 2008 Subject: spotted in the wild... In-Reply-To: <17A7861F-8F3D-47F6-A68C-B169AB30691E@langille.org> References: <4885F0A8.3080609@infracaninophile.co.uk> <17A7861F-8F3D-47F6-A68C-B169AB30691E@langille.org> Message-ID: <4890492B.3040207@infracaninophile.co.uk> Dan Langille wrote: > On Jul 22, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> Just this: between the logos there are some architects impressions of >> the finished row of shops. They're obviously all made up shop boards >> from who knows where. You'll be pleased to hear that FreeBSD apparently >> has taken a lease on a 1000sq foot set of premises and the logo will be >> displayed prominently in letters a meter high -- red text in the >> authentic style and red horny-ball logo and all. >> >> I couldn't believe it when I caught sight of it as I was driving past. >> Unfortunately, there was no opportunity (or means) to take pictures. I >> wonder if they asked permission at all? > > > So, I guess you'll have to drop by again, this time with a camera... I'd have to buy/borrow/steal a camera first... Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 258 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/attachments/20080730/77dcbbba/signature.pgp From mc at hack.org Wed Jul 30 12:08:30 2008 From: mc at hack.org (Michael Widerkrantz) Date: Wed Jul 30 12:08:43 2008 Subject: Anyone in Dublin, Ireland? Message-ID: <86y73jlijs.fsf@tim.hack.org> Anyone else attending the IETF 72 meeting in Dublin? Care to team up for a pint or a meal? -- M.C. Widerkrantz http://hack.org/mc/ From mich at freebsd.org Wed Jul 30 14:20:49 2008 From: mich at freebsd.org (Michael Landin Hostbaek) Date: Wed Jul 30 14:20:56 2008 Subject: Anyone in Dublin, Ireland? In-Reply-To: <86y73jlijs.fsf@tim.hack.org> References: <86y73jlijs.fsf@tim.hack.org> Message-ID: On Jul 30, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Michael Widerkrantz wrote: > Anyone else attending the IETF 72 meeting in Dublin? Care to team up > for a pint or a meal? > In Dublin, a pint and a meal is the same thing ;) /mich