Ugly Huge BSD Monster
Joao Schim
joao at bowtie.nl
Tue Sep 2 01:57:01 PDT 2003
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:49:43 -0400
Randi Harper <sektie at freebsdgirl.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 1, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Brett Glass wrote:
>
> > At 08:07 PM 9/1/2003, Randi Harper wrote:
> >
> >> My mom runs FreeBSD. ;)
> >
> > Good for her! So does my wife, who is an artist and not technical.
> >
> > But she runs text consoles THROUGH a Windows machine.
>
> Ah. My mother actually runs a FreeBSD desktop. Personally, I have a
> FreeBSD 4.8 laptop, 2 servers running 5.1, and a windows box running
> exceed (no explorer.exe) that stream x apps over the network from my
> fbsd server. Windows gives me hives.
>
> >
> >> A desktop of it's own? Let's clarify something here. Having something
> >> like gnome or KDE doesn't qualify something as being a 'desktop' or
> >> not. Surely you can recall the days before gnome and KDE were
> >> popular. What did we use then? Window Maker? Enlightenment? KDE was
> >> somewhat popular, but it didn't have the momentum it has now. Yes,
> >> those are aimed at the Linux people. And for what it's worth, let
> >> them have it. gnome and KDE are the toilet paper of the stinky gas
> >> station bathroom that is X11, in my opinion.
> >
> > Yes, X11 is awkward and messy to build on. I do think that Apple's
> > approach,
> > which scuttles X11 as a foundation for a UNIX GUI, is the right way to
> > go.
> > (I have heard, however, that they will have a built-in X server in the
> > next
> > version of OS X, so they will be able to interoperate with UNIX code
> > that
> > relies on X11.)
>
> Absolutely. I got my first look at OS X a few days ago when I got my
> new laptop, a PowerBook G4. I am loving it so far. I won't say it
> doesn't have it's problems, but it's gold when you compare it to the
> alternative. Clean, fast, and shiny.
>
> >
> >> GTK, an integral part of gnome, works fine in FreeBSD. Instead of
> >> people just sitting on their butts and whining 'I need a GUI, I need
> >> things to click on, I want something that does stuff for me so I can
> >> be a freaking moron but still be able to brag about my uname -a on
> >> IRC', wouldn't it make sense to code one?
> >
> > It'd be better to start with something that's not GPLed, so that one
> > was
> > not planting yet another GPL poison pill within BSD. I and my
> > employees will
> > not even look at GPLed source, due to the legal problems this can
> > cause a
> > programmer who sometimes codes for money.
>
> Ack, thinks for pointing that out. I hadn't even considered that. Damn.
> Well, can you think of a better toolkit to use for this purpose? Are
> there any decent ones that aren't GPL'ed?
How about that fancy toolkit called (open)motif ..
That'll show 'm GPL folks ;)
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