kern/90279: AppleTalk and 0x090007 OUI enet frames invisible to
6.0R?
Guy F. Boyd
gfb at vta.com
Mon Dec 12 11:30:09 PST 2005
The following reply was made to PR kern/90279; it has been noted by GNATS.
From: "Guy F. Boyd" <gfb at vta.com>
To: "'Gleb Smirnoff'" <glebius at FreeBSD.org>
Cc: <freebsd-gnats-submit at FreeBSD.org>
Subject: RE: kern/90279: AppleTalk and 0x090007 OUI enet frames invisible to 6.0R?
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:19:51 -0500
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Hi Gleb,
Here's what I have so far. There *does* seem to be a minor
quality of "Heisenberg-ness" about all of this, I'm doing
my best to reduce the problem to its core factors.
1. removing the statically compiled bridge from the kernel
does seem to help slightly but not conclusively, see 4.
2. The 6.0 based device was previously (breifly) in
production service in the bridged arrangement. Another
unrelated problem related to a customer's VPN traffic
required me to take the 6.0 box out of service this morning
and replace it with a 4.11-current standby device of similar
configuration.
3. The 6.0 device is now on my test bench, and as such, has
become a 2nd bridge ( when the bridge module is loaded ) on
my network.
4. It is difficult to say if some frames that were not seen
before are being seen now, the presence of another bridge on
the network seems to have some effect on how AppleTalk
devices advertise themselves to other devices on the
network, and what can be seen vith the packet monitor at
various points of observation. Seems odd. I discovered this
while attempting to capture frame samples with time stamps
for your observation after switching out the devices.
Having said all this:
5. enabling the bridge module via kldload, and configuring
all 3 interfaces as described before, there is a marked
improvement with a test G-4 Macintosh running 10.3.5, when
that Macintosh is connected to the re0 interface, and the
busy network segment is connected to sk0. The Macintosh can
browse all of the devices on the sk0 segment for up to about
5 minutes, after which time the busy segment becomes
unbrowsable. Connections are possible to specific devices if
one knows the IP address of the target device. Unloading and
reloading the bridge module brings browsability back for
about 5 minutes.
6. Of specific interest is the observation that under no
test arrangement does the Macintosh see any part of the
AppleTalk traffic on the other side of the bridge *when the
Macintosh is connected to the nge0 interface and the busy
segment is connected to either other interface*, excepting
a few speaking-speaking HP jet direct printers via the
printer setup utility. These printers, incidentally, seem to
be the most 'chatty' devices on the network segment.
So possibly this is a bridge problem compounded by some
artifact in the nge driver?
Thanks, HTH, attached are 2 PDFs illustrating the desired
arrangement, and the test-bench arrangement. I'm lousy with
ascii art.
-Guy <gfb at vta.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gleb Smirnoff [mailto:glebius at FreeBSD.org]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 9:45 AM
> To: Guy F. Boyd
> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit at FreeBSD.org
> Subject: Re: kern/90279: AppleTalk and 0x090007 OUI enet
> frames invisible to 6.0R?
>
>
> Guy,
>
> are AppleTalk packets visible if you remove 'options
BRIDGE' from
> your kernel? I understand that this kernel won't serve
your purposes
> for bridging AppleTalk traffic, but we need to check
whether
> the BRIDGE
> itself is broken or some other layer of networking stack.
>
> --
> Totus tuus, Glebius.
> GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE
>
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