PINE64 - 12.0-CURRENT r324563 - ntpd can't keep time

Mark Millard markmi at dsl-only.net
Mon Nov 13 20:30:17 UTC 2017


On 2017-Nov-13, at 9:01 AM, Henri Hennebert <hlh at restart.be> wrote:

> On 11/08/2017 22:03, Andreas Schwarz wrote:
>> On 08.11.17, Henri Hennebert wrote:
>>> I upgrade to r324743 and ntpd can't keep time. Maybe of importance, I
>>> was upgrading the ports after this switch to  r324743. Moreover the
>>> problem with pf occurs really frequently (see
>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222126)
>> I'm running a PINE A64 2G without any problems.
>> dump at pinelot:~ $ uname -a
>> FreeBSD pinelot.schwarzes.net 12.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT #0 r325464: Mon Nov  6 17:44:44 CET 2017     root at pinelot.schwarzes.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/PINE64-ASC  arm64
>> dump at pinelot:~ $ ntpq -p
>>      remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
>> ==============================================================================
>>  0.freebsd.pool. .POOL.          16 p    -   64    0    0.000    0.000   0.001
>> +25000-014.cloud 131.188.3.221    2 u   58   64  377   16.366    5.450   6.000
>> *epsilon.h6g-ser 192.53.103.103   2 u   50   64  377   14.943    5.812   5.511
>> -y.ns.gin.ntt.ne 249.224.99.213   2 u   55   64  377   11.358    6.847   5.514
>> +static.132.14.7 131.188.3.221    2 u   54   64  377   16.240    6.074   5.599
>>  1b.ncomputers.o 129.187.254.32   2 u   58   64   37   19.479   -0.972   0.152
>> What time sources are you using in you /etc/ntp.conf? When looking to your initial
>> mail, it seems that one of the stratum 2 sources has a problem.
>> Can you add the default freebsd pool (ntpd supporting pools now) for a test?
>> pool 0.freebsd.pool.ntp.org iburst
> 
> I upgrade to r324563 and I use this pool and monitor ntpd with 10 minutes interval:
> 
> [root at norquay log]# less ntpmonitor.log
>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset jitter
> ==============================================================================
> 0.freebsd.pool. .POOL.          16 p    -   64    0    0.000    0.000  0.000
> -webhost2.mitht. 193.67.79.202    2 u  287 1024   77   59.013    1.473 1.112
> +ns2.telecom.lt  212.59.3.3       2 u  737 1024   37   43.029    0.513 0.988
> -ntp.bserved.nl  193.67.79.202    2 u  440 1024   17   17.392    0.224 1.103
> *178.32.44.208 ( 193.190.230.65   2 u  839 1024   37   14.399    0.527 0.490
> +stratum2-1.NTP. 129.70.130.71    2 u  366 1024   37   28.377    1.706 0.361
> -linode.ibendit. 199.102.46.77    2 u  307 1024   37  129.945    0.307 0.584
> #ntp.kennisdelen 193.190.230.66   2 u   98 1024   37   15.019    0.942 0.777
> #193.104.37.238  193.190.230.66   2 u  110 1024   37   14.186    0.730 0.424
>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset jitter
> ==============================================================================
> 0.freebsd.pool. .POOL.          16 p    -   64    0    0.000    0.000  0.000
> -webhost2.mitht. 193.67.79.202    2 u  888 1024   77   59.013    1.473 1.112
> +ns2.telecom.lt  212.59.3.3       2 u  288 1024   77   43.362    1.165 0.669
> -ntp.bserved.nl  193.67.79.202    2 u 1041 1024   17   17.392    0.224 1.103
> *178.32.44.208 ( 193.190.230.65   2 u  365 1024   77   14.399    0.527 0.520
> +stratum2-1.NTP. 129.70.130.71    2 u  966 1024   37   28.377    1.706 0.361
> -linode.ibendit. 199.102.46.77    2 u  907 1024   37  129.945    0.307 0.584
> #ntp.kennisdelen 193.190.230.66   2 u  699 1024   37   15.019    0.942 0.777
> #193.104.37.238  193.190.230.66   2 u  711 1024   37   14.186    0.730 0.424
>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset jitter
> ==============================================================================
> 0.freebsd.pool. .POOL.          16 p    -   64    0    0.000    0.000  0.000
> -webhost2.mitht. 193.67.79.202    2 u  498 1024  177   58.815    1.451 0.932
> +ns2.telecom.lt  212.59.3.3       2 u  979 1024   77   43.362    1.165 0.669
> +ntp.bserved.nl  193.67.79.202    2 u  661 1024   37   17.664    0.980 0.379
> -178.32.44.208 ( 193.190.230.65   2 u 1056 1024   77   14.399    0.527 0.520
> *stratum2-1.NTP. 129.70.130.71    2 u  627 1024   77   28.135    1.998 0.570
> -linode.ibendit. 199.102.46.77    2 u 1598 1024   76  129.945    0.307 0.584
> #193.104.37.238  193.190.230.66   2 u  349 1024   77   14.977    1.321 0.821
>     remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset jitter
> ==============================================================================
> 0.freebsd.pool. .POOL.          16 p    -   64    0    0.000    0.000  0.000
> -webhost2.mitht. 193.67.79.202    2 u  948 1024  177   58.815    1.451 0.932
> +ns2.telecom.lt  212.59.3.3       2 u   13 1024  177   43.400  -357912 357913.
> +ntp.bserved.nl  193.67.79.202    2 u 1111 1024   37   17.664    0.980 0.379
> -178.32.44.208 ( 193.190.230.65   2 u   81 1024  177   14.930    1.087 135278.
> *stratum2-1.NTP. 129.70.130.71    2 u 1077 1024   77   28.135    1.998 0.570
> -linode.ibendit. 199.102.46.77    2 u 2048 1024   76  129.945    0.307 0.584
> #193.104.37.238  193.190.230.66   2 u  799 1024   77   14.977    1.321 0.821
> 
> And after a half hour the clock was 5 minutes in the future.

Did you notice the huge offset and jitter in your listing:
(last 2 numerals in the line below)

+ns2.telecom.lt  212.59.3.3       2 u   13 1024  177   43.400  -357912 357913.

And there is another huge jitter:
(last numeral)

-178.32.44.208 ( 193.190.230.65   2 u   81 1024  177   14.930    1.087 135278.

(That last suggests a previous huge offset that still
shows up as history via the jitter being large.)

man ntpq indicates:

offset     offset of server relative to this host

Jitter is not described in detail but I expect that
it is based on the history of variations in offset.
What is said is:

     The jitter and wander statistics are exponentially-weighted RMS averages.
     The system jitter is defined in the NTPv4 specification; the clock jitter
     statistic is computed by the clock discipline module.

So it looks like you are getting bad times from at
least 2 servers. Note that the other servers seem
fine as far as your e-mailed material goes.

It looks to me like you need to avoid those 2 severs,
substituting some others or some such. If some
communication channel(s) involved are corrupting data
then simply switching servers might not avoid the
issue?

I finally got a hold of the rpi3 and updated it to
-r325700 from back a -r320123. it has been up 9 hr
40 min and date is still showing the correct time,
no evidence of huge offsets or huge jitter.

The Pine64+ 2GB is also at -r325700 now and has been
up for 2 days. It also is working fine. Again no
evidence of huge offsets or huge jitter.

===
Mark Millard
markmi at dsl-only.net



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