RPi2 support...

[Glen Barber]

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:03:54AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> On 9 May 2015 at 22:40, Glen Barber <gjb at freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 10:24:34PM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
> >> gjb didn't like how development wasn't freebsd-releng-friendly (but
> >> really, which upstream vendor project is in all honesty) so he's
> >> rolled a replacement that's just landed in head. Time will tell which
> >> will work out better.
> >>
> >
> > My recent commit is not about "being better than Crochet", it is about
> > providing an in-tree build method (for RE purposes) that can be
> > reproduced.  For people that do not need to do pristine-environment,
> > reproducible builds, I encourage the use of Crochet.
> >
> >> Me, I'm completely ignoring /all of that/ because I'm fed up with
> >> building things as root and having to do loopback mounts to build
> >> things and loopback devices to create filesystems. My mips stuff does
> >> everything 100% as a user, and it's actually really damned pleasant.
> >> I'd love to see FreeBSD move to that model but I have a feeling it'll
> >> be fighting against lazy developers who are used to having root
> >> everywhere.
> >>
> >
> > I personally fail to see the reasoning behind this, but I'm looking at
> > things from an entirely different perspective, I suppose.  While it's
> > great that your tools provide a mechanism to produce a build as
> > non-root, FreeBSD releases are built as the root user.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The reasoning is that there are more outputs of FreeBSD than just
> "make iso and snapshots for ftp.freebsd.org", and having things not
> require root simplifies a lot of system administration requirements.
> 
> I have to currently jump through hoops via various FreeBSD-derived
> build things in order to tidy up when things go wrong because people
> use all the root features they can - zfs mounts, loopback mounts,
> loopback devices, etc - and it's just plain silly. Almost none of it
> is required.
> 
> It's also nice to be reasonably sure you're not going to have some
> badly behaving piece of Makefile decide to scribble over the running
> system rather than the destination directory - so you use jails, but
> then you have to ensure they're tidied up as well.
> 
> There's also the desire to build freebsd under non-FreeBSD, and having
> a build process that doesn't require root helps constrain things so
> you don't rely on FreeBSD-isms when there's perfectly good userland
> substitutes.
> 

Thank you for the details, this clarifies things more for me.

> It's okay, we can rant about this in person one day. :)
> 

Yep, absolutely.

Glen

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