Removing CVS from HEAD

[Warner Losh]

BTW, it is dangling issues like these that cause me to suggestion caution and wait until everything is in place to actually pull the trigger on the removal.  I had thought to argue we should keep it in 10, and kill in 11, but that's a secondary concern since today isn't the right time due to these issues.  Once they are addressed, I wouldn't object to cvs going away, but would suggest against it.

Warner

On Sep 10, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:17:11 +1000
> Peter Jeremy <peter at rulingia.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2012-Sep-10 07:03:31 +0700, Erich Dollansky
>> <erichfreebsdlist at ovitrap.com> wrote:
>>> you ignore here the problem the typical user will face when
>>> upgrading.
>> 
>> Please explain this.  A "typical user" doesn't use CVS so they will
>> never notice its absence.  The rare user that uses CVS (and these can
>> be expected to become rarer over time as people migrate to other VCSs)
>> can install it from ports.
>> 
> I would call a typical user a person who reads this:
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading.html
> 
> and acts accordingly.
> 
>>> Removing a basic component should work the other way around.
>> 
>> Why do you consider CVS a "basic component" of FreeBSD?  CVS was in
>> the base system to support FreeBSD development but FreeBSD has moved
>> on so there's no longer any technical reason to keep CVS in the base
>> system.  It's also GPL and FreeBSD has a long-term goal of removing
>> all GPL code from the base system.
>> 
> The handbook is not a technical reason. Yes. The user base who just
> follows the handbook is also no technical reason.
> 
> Ignoring them is also no technical reason.
> 
>>> It should
>>> stay in the base system as long as there are servers out there
>>> supporting it.
>> 
>> What do you mean by "servers ... supporting" CVS?  If you're talking
>> about FreeBSD, 9.0-RELEASE is the last release that will be available
>> via CVS.  Why should the FreeBSD 10 base system include support for a
>> VCS that doesn't support it?  If you're talking non-FreeBSD uses then
>> there will be support for CVS servers via the ports system.
>> 
>> On 2012-Sep-10 07:59:03 +0700, Erich Dollansky
>> <erichfreebsdlist at ovitrap.com> wrote:
>>> The moment you take out the knob off you also take out all CVS
>>> mirros.
>> 
>> I don't follow this statement.  No-one is stopping anyone else using
>> CVS.
>> 
> 
> I know this when considering just this thread. There is a second one
> saying that the support using CVS for the ports will be stopped.
> 
> Again, when a user followed strictly the the handbook, the user did not
> even hear yet from subversion.
> 
> Erich
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