From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 12:39:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045E337B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.unc.edu (smtpsrv12.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC1743FE0 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 12:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajh@email.unc.edu) Received: from Mmmine (dhcp9755.dhcp.unc.edu [152.2.115.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.unc.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h61Jcst3023708 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:38:56 -0400 From: ajh@email.unc.edu To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <19396140.1057073936@Mmmine> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.0.2 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: afs on 4.8 release X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:39:35 -0000 Has anyone gotten afs to work on 4.8 release? I just need a client but a brief search through the mailing list archives show several people with problems/questions. can anyone give me any advice? From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 1 17:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E6237B401 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BDA44057 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells1@highperformance.net) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (s1.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.201])h6205xJf024963; Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells1@highperformance.net) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-X-Sender: jcw@s1.stradamotorsports.com To: ajh@email.unc.edu In-Reply-To: <19396140.1057073936@Mmmine> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: afs on 4.8 release X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:06:16 -0000 On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 ajh@email.unc.edu wrote: > Has anyone gotten afs to work on 4.8 release? I just need a client but a > brief search through the mailing list archives show several people with > problems/questions. can anyone give me any advice? Holy cow. The list liveth. I heard a rumor that the openafs port-freebsd list is more active. Try there. As for me, I am just waiting patiently for the port to be completed. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 2 01:07:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D28037B401 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from murmeldjur.it.su.se (murmeldjur.it.su.se [130.237.95.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB21343FE1 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 01:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnyberg@it.su.se) Received: from murmeldjur.it.su.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by murmeldjur.it.su.se (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6286txc053468; Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:06:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rnyberg@it.su.se) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 10:06:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Richard Nyberg To: ajh@email.unc.edu In-Reply-To: <19396140.1057073936@Mmmine> References: <19396140.1057073936@Mmmine> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.0 (Venus) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.4 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: afs on 4.8 release X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:07:02 -0000 ajh@email.unc.edu wrote: > > Has anyone gotten afs to work on 4.8 release? I just need a client but a > brief search through the mailing list archives show several people with > problems/questions. can anyone give me any advice? You could try some of the later snapshots of arla-0.36pre. I think they work on 4.8. ftp://ftp.stacken.kth.se/pub/arla/snap -Richard From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 6 18:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8E316A4B3 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts11.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF8543FE9 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freeman@cs.dal.ca) Received: from odin.k33z.net ([65.93.80.9]) by tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net ESMTP <20031007010952.PABJ23449.tomts11-srv.bellnexxia.net@odin.k33z.net> for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:09:52 -0400 From: Kenny Freeman To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:09:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Boundary-02=_RJhg/Fz+h0IVbyH"; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200310062109.37672.freeman@cs.dal.ca> Subject: OpenAFS + FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE + MAC + Jail X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freeman@cs.dal.ca List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:09:55 -0000 --Boundary-02=_RJhg/Fz+h0IVbyH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: signed data Content-Disposition: inline Hello, I've got a bit of a strange setup going. I'm seting up a server I ha= ve=20 at home as a bit of an experiment. The bits that relate to this list are in= =20 the subject: I'm attempting to setup openafs 1.2.10 on said system as a=20 server. The catch is I don't see any support for freebsd 5.1 release (I hea= r=20 talk of some work on it tho) _and_ I'm attempting to run it inside a jail=20 with all but the biba and lomac MAC modules enabled in the base system. My question is really just this: does openafs work on freebsd 5.1 RELEASE? = I=20 haven't bothered to go through the build problems with the header names and= =20 fix them yet - I just compiled everything without kernel support for the=20 moment (I'm assuming/hoping that the only problems are with header names).= =20 Word is from freebsd-questions that openafs servers are ok on 5.1 RELEASE=20 (this is not confirmed tho). Can anyone direct me to a patch or some docs o= n=20 how to get the kernel module to compile under 5.x? I'm at the point now whe= re=20 I have everything ready to go, except I need the kernel module to compile..= =2E. I've been searching for some docs on that with ~ no results. I would really= =20 like to get this working and move on to other jails to get this server up a= nd=20 running. Not sure how much effort it would be to update the source to get t= he=20 kernel module to work with the 5.x branch... Also, the rc script that comes= =20 with openafs refers to /usr/sbin/inetd.afs - checking with the source seems= =20 to show openafs-1.2.10/src/inetd/inetd.conf only has entrys for rsh, rlogin= =20 and another called ta-rauth. I'm guessing this can be left out and the serv= er=20 will still function (seems to me i wouldn't want to run these services=20 anyway)... Oh, and that really isn't much of an rc script - it just starts = up=20 bosserver and afsd, doesn't accept start/stop args :/=20 =2DKenny --Boundary-02=_RJhg/Fz+h0IVbyH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/ghJRJgVCrHv0mQsRAgCuAKCgBuFSQ0rdESdnwH4RRQClO+b5aQCghpyN B+73gYpm/bYIIeZjftAT2GQ= =PDA6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Boundary-02=_RJhg/Fz+h0IVbyH-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 25 05:18:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C521416A4CF for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2004 05:18:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 05:18:48 -0800 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Your message to freebsd-current awaits moderator approval X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:18:50 -0000 Your mail to 'freebsd-current' with the subject hello Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: SpamAssassin identified this message as possible spam Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/confirm/freebsd-current/6d22f945ea82b996bf55107e4026f7e6b3e963e1 PLEASE NOTE! If you would like to post freely to the list, please subscribe first. If you post from multiple addresses, you can subscribe each address and go into the options page and select 'no mail' for all but one address. This will allow you to post without delay in the future. Sorry for the hassle, but certain immature people made this necessary. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 9 09:29:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCB416A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from forrie.com (forrie.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.62.205.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002643D46 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from forrie@forrie.com) Received: from forrie.com (i-95.forrie.net. [192.168.1.95]) by forrie.com with ESMTP id i29HSrXF047855 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 12:28:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from forrie@forrie.com) Message-ID: <404DFED3.6040707@forrie.com> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:28:51 -0500 From: Forrest Aldrich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5+ (Windows/20040308) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.0(snapshot 20010925) (forrie.ne.client2.attbi.com) X-MailScanner-LocalNet: Found to be clean Subject: OpenAFS status? X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:29:03 -0000 Hi there, I wonder what the status is of OpenAFS porting to FreeBSD 5.x -- I've seen a few older posts on the net that indicated there were several issues that needed to be dealt with (client), etc. Thanks, Forrest From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 9 10:52:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355D116A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D836643D2D for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp1.server.rpi.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i29IqeLW009303; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:52:40 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <404DFED3.6040707@forrie.com> References: <404DFED3.6040707@forrie.com> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:52:39 -0500 To: Forrest Aldrich , freebsd-afs@freebsd.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: Re: OpenAFS status? X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:52:49 -0000 At 12:28 PM -0500 3/9/04, Forrest Aldrich wrote: >Hi there, > >I wonder what the status is of OpenAFS porting to FreeBSD >5.x -- I've seen a few older posts on the net that indicated >there were several issues that needed to be dealt with >(client), etc. This mailing list (the freebsd-afs one) is for a much earlier attempt to get AFS working under FreeBSD. There is no real activity on this list. These days, all the real activity is on the OpenAFS mailing lists. There is a port-freebsd mailing list at OpenAFS.org The status is that Garrett Wollman did a bunch of work to get the client working much better on 5.x. Jim Rees is in the process of committing those changes to the official OpenAFS source code. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 03:21:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E1516A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:21:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1643D39 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:21:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([192.168.1.16])i923Lk8m032673; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:21:48 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <66F8A41B3F4164470D9446F2@[192.168.1.16]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: FreeBSD 5.2.1 Client Success! X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:21:49 -0000 I have been bugging folks for FreeBSD status reports for a while now. It is my turn to make one. I have a working FreeBSD OpenAFS 1.3.71 client. I plan to do some stress testing to see if it pukes. Once I get a good client installation, I plan to make a FreeBSD port (a la the ports system) available. The reports I have read were that the server works fine. I will test that later. (I have a working server and needs clients more than a server.) Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 06:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01A216A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:54:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1213A43D2D for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:54:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([192.168.1.16])i926sq8m032979; Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:54:54 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Jason C. Wells" , port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <66F8A41B3F4164470D9446F2@[192.168.1.16]> References: <66F8A41B3F4164470D9446F2@[192.168.1.16]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 Client Success! X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:54:55 -0000 --On Friday, October 01, 2004 8:21 PM -0700 "Jason C. Wells" wrote: > I have been bugging folks for FreeBSD status reports for a while now. It > is my turn to make one. I have a working FreeBSD OpenAFS 1.3.71 client. > I plan to do some stress testing to see if it pukes. Yeah, it puked. :| Writing from and to AFS even simultaneously worked fine. Deleting was problematic. When running OpenAFS 1.3.71 on FreeBSD 5.2.1 an attempt to delete an AFS file results in: panic: lockmgr: locking against myself If anyone is working on the port anymore, I will be glad to work this issue in greater detail. I don't have the skill to hack a fix. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 07:05:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1AF16A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:05:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cliffclavin.cs.rpi.edu (cliffclavin.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.1.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6D143D41 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 07:05:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from monica.cs.rpi.edu (root@monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) i9275oPq006283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from monica.cs.rpi.edu (crossd@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by monica.cs.rpi.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9275oea086768; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:05:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from crossd@monica.cs.rpi.edu) Received: from localhost (crossd@localhost)i9275oe6086765; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:05:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from crossd@monica.cs.rpi.edu) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 03:05:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "David E. Cross" To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20041002030159.A84436@monica.cs.rpi.edu> References: <66F8A41B3F4164470D9446F2@[192.168.1.16]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.43 cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org cc: port-freebsd@openafs.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 Client Success! X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:05:54 -0000 On Fri, 1 Oct 2004, Jason C. Wells wrote: > --On Friday, October 01, 2004 8:21 PM -0700 "Jason C. Wells" > wrote: > > > I have been bugging folks for FreeBSD status reports for a while now. It > > is my turn to make one. I have a working FreeBSD OpenAFS 1.3.71 client. > > I plan to do some stress testing to see if it pukes. > > Yeah, it puked. :| > > Writing from and to AFS even simultaneously worked fine. Deleting was > problematic. When running OpenAFS 1.3.71 on FreeBSD 5.2.1 an attempt to > delete an AFS file results in: > > panic: lockmgr: locking against myself > > If anyone is working on the port anymore, I will be glad to work this issue > in greater detail. I don't have the skill to hack a fix. Ugh, its been awhile since I've played with this, or the sections of the VFS that AFS likes to (ab)use. As I recall many of the lockmgr errors are the fallout of AFS having its own vnodes. If you can get a stack trace from that, or a debugging output of what it was trying to lock, it could be helpful. It _used_ to be that AFS kept an artificially incremente VNODE count to prevent "its" vnodes from re-entering the system pool, there were more than a couple of places that this cause various OS assumptions to be false. Though I believe this was replaced with a VNODE flag that basically indicated that the VNODE in question was "foreign" and told the kernel to keep its hands off; its possible this abstraction broke down at some point either in the FreeBSD or OpenAFS side of the equation... aforementioned stack trace/dump would be instrumental in pinning that down. -- David E. Cross From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 12:33:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668E316A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:33:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from citi.umich.edu (citi.umich.edu [141.211.133.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E4943D46 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:33:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rees@citi.umich.edu) Received: from citi.umich.edu (dsl093-001-248.det1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.1.248]) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F041BB05; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 08:33:44 -0400 (EDT) To: port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org From: Jim Rees In-Reply-To: "David E. Cross", Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:05:50 EDT Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:33:43 -0400 Sender: rees@citi.umich.edu Message-Id: <20041002123344.75F041BB05@citi.umich.edu> Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-port-freebsd] Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 Client Success! X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:33:45 -0000 The FreeBSD client no longer has its own vnodes. It uses the system pool now. But that has introduced a slew of new bugs. Client bugs seem to fall into two broad classes, vnode ref count screwups, and vnode locking screwups. These usually manifest themselves as "unclean vnode" panics, "locking against myself" panics, and hangs. Turning on WITNESS can help to track down some of them. Part of this is due to the code borrowed from OpenBSD, which has a different set of vnode locking rules. If anyone has patches, I urge you to send them here rather than fork the source. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 2 19:44:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0B016A4CE for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:44:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [128.30.28.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422C843D46 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 19:44:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i92Jia8g099864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK CN=khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu issuer=SSL+20Client+20CA); Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:44:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i92JiZ7X099861; Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:44:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 15:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200410021944.i92JiZ7X099861@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "David E. Cross" In-Reply-To: <20041002030159.A84436@monica.cs.rpi.edu> References: <66F8A41B3F4164470D9446F2@[192.168.1.16]> <20041002030159.A84436@monica.cs.rpi.edu> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org cc: port-freebsd@openafs.org Subject: [OpenAFS-port-freebsd] Re: FreeBSD 5.2.1 Client Success! X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 19:44:43 -0000 < said: > It _used_ to be that AFS kept an artificially incremente VNODE count to > prevent "its" vnodes from re-entering the system pool, there were more > than a couple of places that this cause various OS assumptions to be > false. I changed this last year: an afsnode HAS-A vnode now instead of IS-A. > panic: lockmgr: locking against myself Anyone working on this code should compile the kernel with DEBUG_VFS_LOCKS in order to get better assertions. Generally, the problem is that some AFS vnops are called with the vnode locked, and some not, and AFS doesn't keep track down the call graph of which case the current operation is. Often AFS will call back into the OSI layer to do some manipulation of the underlying vnode which requires the node to be locked. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 3 17:51:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B2C16A4CE for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:51:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7080943D48 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:51:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([192.168.1.16])i93Hpp8m039384; Sun, 3 Oct 2004 10:51:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:51:50 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <298988599E2F2A499C14658C@[192.168.1.16]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Re-energizing FreeBSD Efforts X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 17:51:54 -0000 I was hoping that I could get the FreeBSD client working correctly. It seems to be part way there, but certainly not ready for anything more than experimental use. Is anyone out there willing to write code for the FreeBSD port of OpenAFS on the client side? I certainly don't have the skill to get software working that results in a system hang with no error reporting at all. I am willing to do lots of compiling, testing, and reporting. If there is no one out there who understands the internals and will write code, then all I would be doing is populating the mailing list archives with unanswered messages. If I can't generate some interest, I have heard that I can fall back on Arla. I would prefer to get OpenAFS up to speed. Thanks, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 4 18:03:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E9516A4CE for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:03:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [128.30.28.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BEC43D62 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:03:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i94I3E8g020468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK CN=khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu issuer=SSL+20Client+20CA); Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i94I3E4E020465; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 14:03:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200410041803.i94I3E4E020465@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: <298988599E2F2A499C14658C@[192.168.1.16]> References: <298988599E2F2A499C14658C@[192.168.1.16]> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org cc: port-freebsd@openafs.org Subject: [OpenAFS-port-freebsd] Re-energizing FreeBSD Efforts X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:03:16 -0000 < said: > I was hoping that I could get the FreeBSD client working correctly. It > seems to be part way there, but certainly not ready for anything more than > experimental use. > Is anyone out there willing to write code for the FreeBSD port of OpenAFS > on the client side? I'm more than willing to write code, but I am experiencing a serious CFT deficiency these days. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 14:06:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A920E16A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blah.sun-fish.com (blah.sun-fish.com [62.176.125.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032843D2F for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 14:06:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vladimir.terziev@sun-fish.com) Received: by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix, from userid 599) id 043B534172; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:06:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from sun-fish.com (fs.cmotd.com [192.168.3.253]) by blah.sun-fish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23CC34167 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:06:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from sun-fish.com (localhost.cmotd.com [127.0.0.1]) by sun-fish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EDF38409 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:04:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from daemon.cmotd.com (daemon.cmotd.com [192.168.3.104]) by sun-fish.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 403A338404 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:04:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:06:03 +0200 From: Vladimir Terziev To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20041208160603.6d034c2c@daemon.cmotd.com> Organization: SunFish Ltd., Sofia X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: ClamAV Subject: OpenAFS on FreeBSD howto X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 14:06:06 -0000 Hi, sorry to bother you with so simple question, but i'm unable to find any kind of tutorial, documentation or howto install OpenAFS on a FreeBSD system. If it does mater, my FreeBSD is 4.x! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:13:54 -0000 Hi! Is this list dead? I'd love to hear it isn't; I'd like to get AFS working for FreeBSD, both as a client and server. Any tips or experiences appreciated. Regards, Palle From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 28 14:28:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D361D16A420; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:28:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cameron@ctc.com) Received: from pm2.ctc.com (pm2.ctc.com [147.160.99.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2A843D45; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:28:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cameron@ctc.com) Received: from server3.ctc.com (server3.ctc.com [147.160.1.6]) by pm2.ctc.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1SESmcs031408; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:28:49 -0500 Received: from linux82 (linux82.ctc.com [147.160.10.182]) by server3.ctc.com (Switch-3.0.5/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id k1SESlbb020306; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:28:47 -0500 From: "Frank J. Cameron" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <099C79C62F055E2B34A6EDCC@rambutan.pingpong.net> References: <099C79C62F055E2B34A6EDCC@rambutan.pingpong.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Concurrent Technologies Corp. Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:29:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1141136950.26555.37.camel@linux82> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-2.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Palle Girgensohn Subject: Re: anyone here? X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:28:49 -0000 On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 13:13 +0100, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > Is this list dead? I'd love to hear it isn't; I'd like to get AFS working > for FreeBSD, both as a client and server. Any tips or experiences > appreciated. It's been a few years since I've had a need to; but, Arla worked fairly well as a client for me. I never tried running a server on FreeBSD. 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The Feol-Hinricher Companies provide real estate opportunities that provide a combination of positive cash flow, tax benefits, and an equity spread which creates an attractive package of wealth initiatives for today's discriminating investor From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 10:49:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210A16A418 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193A413C447 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so5156821hsj.11 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:49:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=vQM9dRdaYINC8DGSqduD8cEzu3tysDf8Dez3zkKRLYQ=; b=F8YzBmsZz/V9hM0dob+oxNSiNCt7YstaU4u5B7pS/20PIs4RTQsYBzVvpxUiO/e6T/ZvZgrpD1vV3kIZJdZ7QmQAwM87aZKvvb0RRrl/GUugPuKC54C12v8rZW2OnVwYY40guUEc8snNYN+hbPGrUxReE/pF7Pc6rcg0JaQ2310= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Hog+xdxLZpSjY0gSZWvFKQg6+kDfRQDooRcLKheErEntxJxFhGsBbZNeoRd1inBgO74EmwxmSspFPxD5bwQZKQUVQu5yDXacI2QxC0MwbY2zqNn3TUDQLvvw7xyA6kZsXLu67CuqKBIrAfzno/Wxcra4N+YphY6nJ8NPCgN1aU4= Received: by 10.150.145.20 with SMTP id s20mr4523692ybd.5.1199442092988; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:21:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:21:32 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Martin Pelmore, Bankrupcy Tips - Work On Rebuilding Your Credit - Part #2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:49:08 -0000 Martin Pelmore, Bankrupcy Tips - Work On Rebuilding Your Credit - Part #2 Ah yes, the 800-pound gorilla that you would have to take on ? rebuilding your credit. Fortunately for you, filing for bankruptcy does not have quite the same social and financial stigma it once did ten, maybe twenty years ago. 'The purpose of filing is a safety valve,? says Roger M. Whelan, resident scholar of the American Bankruptcy Institute, a nonprofit professional organization. 'Thank God, the day in which it was like wearing a blazing star on your forehead is over.' But rebuilding your credit is the double-edged sword of post-bankrupcy life. You have gotten to where you are now because you mismanaged your credit. However, this does not mean that you would have to steer clear from credit from now on. At first, you may have to, because you are given little choice on the matter. But sooner or later, you find that you have to get credit to rebuild your financial life. So what are the rules? There are no rules; that?s the best part about it. It does not matter how you do it or how fast. The factors can vary widely from the kind of resources you have and the type of bankruptcy you filed for. For instance, if you filed under a Chapter 13 bankruptcy, the bankruptcy will stay in your credit for five to seven years. Whereas, if you filed under Chapter 7, the bankruptcy could stay longer in your credit report ? say, up to ten years. During that period, it is going to be very, very difficult for you to get credit, let alone work on rebuilding yours from bad to good. And yet, rebuild you must, if you want to get back in the financial game. Now, if you have a high dollar income, then obviously you are going to have a slightly better edge over the rest. But just slightly. If you managed to hang onto your house, paying your mortgage on time will improve your credit report. But remember that 'many apartments don?t report to credit bureaus, so those payments will keep a roof over your head but won?t help you rebuild your credit,' warns John Ulzheimer, business development manager for MyFico.com, a division of Fair Isaac Corp., the company that developed credit scoring. Ironically enough, while Chapter 7 filers usually have a hard time getting approved for new credit, they are also usually the ones that have a better chance at rebuilding their credit. Henry Sommer, an attorney and author of 'Consumer Bankruptcy: The Complete Guide to Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 Personal Bankrupcy' says that 'while you?re in a Chapter 13 (reorganization), your options are somewhat limited in terms of credit.' That?s because you cannot really apply for new credit without getting the court?s permission first. On the other hand, under a Chapter 7, you are given more freedom in that area since all your debts are discharged. The sooner your debts are discharged, the sooner you can get to working on repairing your credit. Bankruptcy Tips #2: Adopt a Positive Attitude and Show What You have Learned Experts on bankruptcy insist that attitude and persistence can make a difference on your life after filing for a Chapter 7 or Chapter 13. 'The consumer who?s going to recover faster is the consumer who jumps back in,' says Ulzheimer. 'Financial capacity is one thing,' says Tahira K. Hira, a professor at Iowa State University who specializes in consumer economics and family finance. 'Mental or attitudinal capacity is the other thing.' So being positive can make a whole world of difference. '...If you build a savings account, carry no debts and have an emergency fund, you?re saying, ?Look, I can control my behavior,' Hira adds. 'It depends on how good a salesperson you are and how good your behavior has been.' And, of course, by behavior, she means your financial behavior or how you carry yourself around expenses and financial obligations. 'Pay your bills on time' is the name of the game. It is also incidentally the easiest way to show to your lenders that you have learned from your past financial mistake and are making every effort never to fall into that trap again. In short, you?ve got to be a model citizen in terms of financial management. Can you handle it? Of course, you can! And the only rule to follow is this: Shop for lenders. 'There will be a price attached,' warns Hira, 'which is higher interest.' This gives you all the more reason to be discriminating when choosing lenders. Don?t just jump at the first credit opportunity thrown your way only to find that the interests are punishing. Don?t get hard-balled into paying for high interest rates when you can get virtually the same loan for lower interest. Compare lenders. You are the consumer and you still have the advantage of choice. Jim Howlsinky offers free Banrkuptcy advice. For more information, articles, and free reports please visit Bankrupcy Law website: From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 12:25:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DA116A418 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:25:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D084313C4D9 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:24:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 31so1401274aga.3 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:24:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=0W957G26+EnsE3VdEVQKjWaguzs3MtVUsPjZJErTIcs=; b=rU3QJiAyZfLKq+N/zgEDvQe4yASKmiF+zHnyGu9wehwg8EhjyejnGB5g5ix1zVyng9jPyGGRUY0nnmbKm8bDwl/WOGBYsBvOh7qMEYG6bI/2OFSXRqPdFLWHXJE7BMuoQerj6ghRA19oEQ33CVJ15jVC32fAzgcSHHP8hJmXkzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Afr6S8cFdfmt8a737KV1XcTJ6Y8F4sHZR4u774AtNq97osuEbiiasKeKbPh9FjRVCIr1QQ9DAqm4x4sfi/64cQOw9rDfhFv79KaVpoSirtY95hGgyVKYa497Ne3mdT3yIQcXlN1qy+Rgf3pyrbpGgWFN0tAsytmob3fRll9MqBY= Received: by 10.150.177.20 with SMTP id z20mr4556549ybe.137.1199449499062; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:24:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:24:59 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: John Rosatti, Author's Writing Career Debuts with Two Anthologies X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:25:00 -0000 John Rosatti, Author's Writing Career Debuts with Two Anthologies (PRWEB) June 21, 2006 -- Louisiana author Judith L Leger launches writing career with publication in two anthologies; Tavern Tales published by ComStar Media ISBN #: 0976996014 released Nov. 2005 and Chicken Soup for the Mother and Son Soul ISBN#: 0757304036 released April 2006. Represented by Literary Agent, Steven Grant of The Grant Agency, Mrs. Leger has also signed a contract for her novel The Changeling with ComStar Media, LLC. The novel is set for release in 2006. Leger, a native of Louisiana currently lives in the southwest part of the state with her husband and three sons. Love of reading and a very active imagination, she dreamed of writing her own tales, and in 2001 embarked on a journey to do just that. After two contemporaries, one fantasy (which she considers practice), she completed The Changeling, a fantasy romance novel. While in the process of searching for home for this book she wrote The Wraith's Forest which was picked up by Chippewa Publishing for a 90 day stint followed by ComStar Media, where it is currently in their fantasy anthology, Tavern Tales. The Changeling is a story of revelation and renewing. Caitlyn Reiley is a news porter for a small station in Los Angeles. She is informed that world-famous illusionist, Shay Evers, has requested that she be the one to interview him. She is determined to discover how he does his magical feats and thus reveal as a fake. Disbelief soon changes to a emotional and physical attraction for the handsome, charismatic illusionist. This novel is due to be released toward the end of 2006. A similar theme is found in The Wraith's Forest with the revealing of the Wraith. Ms. Leger wrote this short story (just below 20,000 words) from a dream. Every aspect fell into place and the story turned out beautifully. Ms. Leger loves to delve into the souls of her characters to give the reader a front seat view. Author Website: Contact: ComStar Media, LLC 2463B Coral Ave NE, Salem, OR 9730 William Anderson: polaris @ comstar-media.com Jennifer Anderson: jenniferlee @ comstar-media.com Steve Grant, Agent The Grant Agency 3621 Huntwick Drive Orange, TX 77632 Email: steve @ thegrantagency.com Judith L Leger, Author Email: jleger314 @ yahoo.com # # # From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 12:32:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8853816A41B for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456B613C455 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:32:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 31so1402461aga.3 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:32:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=L/iSJe/5Zi8b9TeGIgwTnVmQew2WHCbA8nnIN0WV+SU=; b=K9Yo+bmbjMriC32nCyU1LfrLf4Strfl1qFeSDB5jwqtCl5fo4DhdiO9xrAFqsYikGmMfjICiNkLhnbGLGMEdHSEudHirRpQFMiOe5UaukwdRQHWJRFS4IfgGA1Sw9GEGq48a6g3oc7aDlXupvJC0tD+pImbqjaCmQWWNVZpS1sM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mOtFyUczOXHb/78A1nnuq/IzMQ+AV60oiD41kJWcv2ZGwPeDxgSe89qr9TS0MDobvG1npApfIrBw+7SMJ2ldqH/TeemucxD0YhzjyLV2uSg2WdoxDVvhykoqyGKykVAfVx2RktamVOOCFtKot0VNvyVEJmhUXQNh4L7Inbf0xgs= Received: by 10.150.152.17 with SMTP id z17mr4570258ybd.37.1199449928504; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 04:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 04:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:32:08 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Palm Vacations, Earn Extra Income In The Travel Industry X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:32:09 -0000 Palm Vacations, Earn Extra Income In The Travel Industry Gone are the days of not so long ago?when a family could live okay on single income, working for someone else, that is. With ever-increasing inflation, taxes and nearly everything else, at least two incomes are most often needed ? and just to cover the basics for a family. Often at least one of the family members also needs to moonlight or somehow bring in extra income to help cover bills and debts, often accumulated to cover more bare necessities with maybe an extra added in here and there like a nice new suit or mini-vacation that was once included in the one-income family of the old days. Well now, with good self discipline and a few other factors added in, you can work from home to make money to help support your family. And one main industry that offers a wealth of opportunity is the travel industry, where people are earning not only billions of dollars, but also are also enjoying benefits of travel packages round the world. To see if you believe you may qualify to work from home with good self discipline and other hard working attributes needed to make your own business a success, see what replies you would give to the following questions. And be honest with yourself. Because you?d be cheating yourself and your family in the long wrong, if you don?t reply truthfully. 1. Do you normally set goals and complete them? To be a success, in any field, you will need to have goals, as these will determine the ways and means of accomplishing your success. Your goals will most often be established in one of two ways: a. Based upon the amount of extra income you want to make. b. Based upon the amount of time you desire to spend certain tasks in order to make the income. In short, your goals will need to be specific and feature answers to: what, when, where or how, three important points you will need to define each step of the way. 2. Is the program you?re thinking of getting in to a good investment? Check these points: a. Can you afford initial start up costs? b. Are you passion it about it to see it through long term? c. Is it marketable? d. Are the goals you can set with the program desirable and achievable? 3. Do you have enough courage to give it a go? 4. Are you self motivated? Do you have perseverance? Will you keep educating yourself ? even with at work-at-home issues? After you have answered the above questions, look back over your replies. If they were mostly all positive, you?re on your way to success already and have an excellent foundation for growing your business. Negatives mean you may need more elbow grease like via the help of workshops, books and a mentor or coaching program. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 13:46:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBF116A468 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA3C13C469 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:46:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 31so1413234aga.3 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:46:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=T0nRx6C9yTzJKePiigTd/XXa9DWw4d4ka62KYZCfEro=; b=IhfFJzb/dmdXNPP8WriIQg5AQLxJtRgU7w+0gZxTXXCpLLOVHNQx9mSlAH+llVcO3dq3K28izX5IWRJnIUZf+O/b9mfQYRLzzbZQarQMDnzNYmCc0xYN7a2GdfYxPLV0WSdxq4JiXS/2ooiJBrw9yRbbORt46stCGgCgAd87+Us= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=eYfm2Ale0dHKpiaK7uj96stD0dQqLSyCGNKv0WP4RBzKOtOdJ+fAw3peqIdLl+qZd//zk7vG/mqQOnXiYZqM1soih54MlHmwBoZfNWoJ9sIICDn4LEaPgkEQ1Cbd2EcNJckIYfzH7SbtJ4LXaXvXA1XHykH/ZRdYF0IneMF33zw= Received: by 10.150.205.13 with SMTP id c13mr1828962ybg.132.1199454362430; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:46:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:46:02 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Andrew Vaughey, Know Your Mortgage Fees, and Youll Never Pay Too Much for Your Loan X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:46:03 -0000 Andrew Vaughey, Know Your Mortgage Fees, and Youll Never Pay Too Much for Your Loan If you buy new windows, you'll not only pay for the windows, you will also pay an installation fee. When you purchase a car, you pay tax, title, assumption fee, etc. Just about every major purchase comes with extra costs or fees, and home loans are no different. Most people think they don't have to pay costs on a loan, because they are paying interest on the loan (they figure this is their fee =96 a premium on the money). A mortgage, however, does not come free. While some are mandatory, others are not. Follow these guidelines, and you'll never pay too much for your purchase mortgage or refinance loan. The origination fee -- The fee that bothers people the most is the origination fee, or what some mortgage people call a broker fee. This is often confused with points, but should not be. Points are something completely different. The origination or broker fee is what you pay the loan officer to originate or create and complete your home loan, whether it's a purchase or a refinance. All mortgage people charge them, whether they work for a mortgag= e brokerage or for a bank. Remember, if you're told there is not a broker or origination fee, chances are you're paying a higher interest rate, and this is how they're making this fee. The origination fee is the primary way mortgage brokers make money. The company gets the entire fee, and your broker or loan officer get= s a percentage of that fee =96 somewhere between 30 and 65 percent. So, if your mortgage broker charges you two percent on a $100,000 loan, thi= s is $2,000 for his company or bank and up to $1,300 for him. You may think this is an outrageous amount of money, especially considering that this is just one of the costs you have to pay, in order to complete you loan. It might be, and then again, it might not. It depends on what type of loan you get, how much work is involved in closing it, and the quality of the servic= e you get. Here are a few guidelines on what you should be willing to pay in origination or broker fees. Bad credit's effect -- If you are a sub prime borrower, or someone with credit problems, expect to pay more =96 up to $3,000 or $4,000. Remember, s= ub prime, or non-conforming, borrowers have some type of baggage that makes them difficult to get approved, which is a huge part of the mortgage professional's job. They may, for example, have a recent bankruptcy or foreclosure on their record, or a civil or criminal judgement, tax liens on the property, or very little equity in their home. These are problems that good mortgage professionals can get around, but it takes a lot of time and effort. I once helped an elderly gentleman on a fixed income refinance his home, an= d he had 14 liens against his home, all of which had to be satisfied, before his mortgage could be paid off, and he could get a new loan. I had three weeks, and probably 25 hours of time, just clearing these liens. One of the= m was a defaulted car loan on a car he didn't even have. He owed $3,000, hadn't made a payment in three years, and the bank was still after him. I had to negotiate with the collection agent from that bank, and get them to take $1,800 to satisfy the loan, which I would work into his new mortgage. After many telephone conversations and some very hard selling, they agreed, and I wound up getting it done. Now, I would have normally charged a minimum of $2,500 (over five percent o= f the loan amount, in this case) for this type of work, but there was not enough equity in the house to get that much origination in the loan. I actually did it for less than $1,000 ($500 of which was mine), just because I wanted to help this man, who needed the cash he was going to get from the new loan to put a new roof on his dilapidated house. This is just one example of when it's acceptable to pay more in origination fee, even though this man didn't have to do so. Conversely, let's assume you're refinancing your home in a perfect scenario= . You have perfect credit, lots of equity in your home, plenty of cash reserves, and the paperwork is very easy. The loan officer says he can complete your loan in two weeks, most of which will be consumed by the work of other people, such as title agents and an appraiser. This origination should not be much more than one percent of the loan amount and even smaller, if the loan amount is over $150,000. This is a loan that mortgage people refer to as "A Paper." It is very easy to close, and takes very little work, so the loan officer can make his money on volume, by doing lot= s of these types of loans. I always charged $1,500 or less for an A Paper loan. So, begin learning your closing costs by finding out what the origination fee is (remember, most of the time it's negotiable). One to two percent of the loan amount is acceptable, unless extraordinary circumstances exist. Mark Barnes is the author of the new novel, The League, the first work of fiction, based on fantasy football. He is also an investment real estate an= d home loan finance expert. Learn more about his suspense thriller at Get hi= s free mortgage finance course at From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 4 13:50:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE43C16A419 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A029313C468 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 31so1413789aga.3 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:50:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=iTfzt8jnmfp75s32sWmBJoCzSmgOO5dKbr6DiLGzzbs=; b=NEQYqvLuD8KCQ/Up4yW+nnxc+bGD384FJ/LXK4eyXkfL9Tj+E6Rny5e6kxBLCqaukz3pmwUmN0O2qfNPnHpYxKhjqEKACJcssId0QTyyntGsSbn4OiR5LNmEtnSmUPALO42f+zX3DlsnWEVxw0XbEB60V7CFgdJm2v1antpXy5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kXivXd5Gu1hLdC/On2DENUaYIvsZby1w+B364nC2R5Dm5HaduPme9H4qZPbx3j0ST0g3zEmUKf+rZDjWgItX0cL3aC9pX+bc0iyzNxrKF+Yt0oQn0fuBtf96sj1ViL3ByWBxWQ09X+1dnV7oApK5WrIBjhFGv4FTM8MHfr3NkCw= Received: by 10.150.96.10 with SMTP id t10mr4594108ybb.156.1199454622049; Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:50:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:50:22 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Douglas Della Toffalo, Web Design And The Psychology Of Colors X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:50:23 -0000 Douglas Della Toffalo, Web Design And The Psychology Of Colors Web design is not an easy task, especially if what you need is to create a business website in plain HTML, with a very simple layout, easy to navigate, fast loading and, above all, distinctive. To reach this purpose web designers don?t have too many options. Typically all they can do is blend colors harmoniously to create an appealing website that combines attributes of simplicity and logic while providing valuable content. It is therefore important for any designer to know what colors mean and what subtle message hides within every tone. Red is the warmest color, passionate and energetic: the color of romance, love and enthusiasm. Red is attention grabbing, alarming or charming: a mixture of paradoxes feelings and sensations. A good web designer understands red and its power: he or she will know where to use this color, how much of red means sales, how much will just drive visitors away. Take a look around and note how red is used on a daily basis: sales tags are red, a red Ferrari is anyone?s dream, a red rose is a passionate declaration of love, a red flag is often associated with war? Red is power, means power, inspires and motivates. As red, orange is warm, happy and full of life. It?s the color of fire and light. Orange is usually used for websites related to the food industry, but it could also work for lamp manufacturers and other entrepreneurs from the light and energy areas. Yellow is a dual color. It?s happy and inspiring but many people do associate it with cowardice and jealousy. Use it careful in web design, and never use it for fonts on a white background. Green means nature, purity and freshness. It symbolizes hope and growth. Usually companies selling herbal products, nutrients and cosmetics use a fresh green ? for example lime green ? to inspire their visitors. World class companies such as Yves Rocher or Garnier employ green a lot in their web design because they sell products based on natural plant extracts. Used in the wrong context, green might have negative connotations. Money is green ? too much green is often associated with greed or poison (Paris Green). Blue is a already a standard business-to-business color. Navy blue, or dark blue is used for business logos, business suits and so on. Even hospitals and health sites use blue for their design. Light blue symbolizes happiness and Heaven, while some shades of blue are depressing. Use blue carefully for web design. Violet is an exotic and royal color, associated with wealth, spirituality and meditation. It?s rarely used in web design, because it takes real skill to combine with other colors. Web designers use it mostly for ads and banners, as it grabs attention and calls to action. White is not a color, but the manifestation of all colors as one. White is associated with purity, divinity, modesty and simplicity. For web design white is the ideal choice. However, although in life, white is complete, online it always needs to be completed with other colors. Finally, black means the absence of white and the absence of all colors. Although, generally speaking, black has negative meanings (death, mourning, sin) it is still a very elegant color and, combined with the right colors it can make a great enhancement to your website. Anyway? you probably use black as the color of the fonts. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 04:38:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78FF16A418 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 04:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A580F13C4D5 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 04:38:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0749Utm025371; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4781A605.6050607@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:09:41 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, port-freebsd@openafs.org, matt@linuxbox.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: Subject: FreeBSD Port Interest X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 04:38:33 -0000 A couple people have contacted me directly via addresses I presumed they got from email archives. Maybe, just maybe there is enough interest by qualified people to get some work done. I can't remember the other fellows name. I think it was Guernot something. Unfortunately I deleted his messages so I cannot help. Please take your communications to the public forums. It well help generate interest in a FreeBSD port of OpenAFS. I hope this person is listening on these lists so I can put him in touch with Matt. Thanks, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 09:14:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325C616A420 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E961513C465 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so6245174hsj.11 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:14:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=vEGvTKH0N59ylxqz44HujjjkzNQ+xTkW37TW8B9QVP8=; b=aOtdzu106Oknb+IDGqMqycmWeR6mGkGwJcV5W/XJZz9c+Ha4WIjGTb21k1Mp8CeK30qkZY3nz7ak6SNmRbE/I2LL16tyaPNk1pQwIKQubbRiElzs3fSBGEltR7jJHLq6HC/Jexoqj6hcLnW9BA9WC2ykQ5lzSslyPZQ48yL3hzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tQ4rKhupPmpkdA1iKI4H53NECxwj6FO8rpk6ocPJH2nVdJtrRO9EZg3/XGQ88MX/spJRcK4JOo5FAcg5xfRbrl82iE/NOjpeJT3oMfoHSu7z6b4j/AAidazmjLf/oNLNVUwB9jMG/HqY7G3Cy5IzHl6WxgFoQwBe1+gMFDWSTi8= Received: by 10.150.134.7 with SMTP id h7mr5307376ybd.34.1199697291692; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 01:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:14:51 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Mark Tiernan, How Good a Deal Is Your Banks Mortgage Insurance Plan? X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:14:52 -0000 Mark Tiernan, How Good a Deal Is Your Banks Mortgage Insurance Plan? When you go to the bank to get a mortgage, you'll inevitably be asked to take out mortgage insurance. The idea behind mortgage insurance is simply that if something happens to you or your spouse then your loan will be paid off which is good news for your family and the bank. Most financial institutions act like they are doing you a favor by offering you mortgage insurance through their own group plan, but are they? The truth is that you could probably get a much better deal and at least an equal amount of protection by shopping around for your own insurance policy. Essentially, mortgage insurance is no different than term-life insurance. With both, your policy only lasts for a specified period of time and pays its benefits if something happens to you or your spouse. The real difference comes down to how much control you'll have over your policy and how much you'll pay for it. If you choose to use the mortgage insurance offered by the bank, you will not be able to customize a policy to fit your needs and you'll be lumped together with other borrowers under a group plan. Because of this, you will only have limited control over your policy. For example, through a third party provider, you would be able to choose your own beneficiary, decide how to spend the proceeds if necessary, and cancel the policy at any time. You would not have these options with a lending institution. Additionally, the bank maintains the right to not renew your policy and to cancel the policy when you sell the house. If you find your own insurance provider, you can make those decisions yourself. The other big difference is cost. A third party insurance policy's premiums will not go up, so you would pay the same premium today that you'd pay ten years from now. You won't get that same guarantee from a bank which can and probably will increase your premiums during the life of the policy. In most cases, you'll probably pay more through a bank anyway. In fact, you could pay as much as 40% more than you would if you shopped around and found your own insurance provider. Not to mention that the policy you take out through your bank will gradually decrease in value while a plan you select from an outside source will be worth the same amount during the entire policy period. Of course, many people don't mind paying more for their mortgage insurance because it's more convenient than dealing with insurance agents. The truth is that you can easily find a policy that fits your needs and provides affordable premiums via the Internet. An organization, such as the Hughes Trustco Group, can even generate quotes for you from multiple insurance providers so you'll know that you're receiving the best deal possible on the policy you want. The bottom line is that mortgage insurance is important and should be part of your home buying or refinancing preparations, but that does not mean you need to pay more or let the bank make important decisions for you. Instead, you should find your own personal plan from a third party provider which will let you stay in control of your policy and will save you money in the long run. Ivon T. Hughes, The Hughes Trustco Group Ltd. Canadian Insurance Broker - Get a FREE Quote TODAY! Tel: (514)842-9001 Email: info@trustco.ca Web: From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 09:20:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C008D16A417 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:20:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E9F13C46A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so6247142hsj.11 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:20:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=hpFFXSc2+7xgOXtmpfffxC73vSCqAycXa2Q0WZldEX8=; b=eqPuzHqu57M+NyqaoyaN0+9sNSJWL8452eV/PTkNQTgb6Yghqzy/C0QUq2Y/vdwXo2URzHraN7qO9ybmR2Xhuia7FuIGot52f7cTp+jNnrpJfhg07/k+xwfLg66cB80YPSl0+JhIJ6RUPkSAqP126afoh3YdrY1jSgl+c9N3QbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pa3TCkbEDKV6d2xxVymsuQ9HvkBjRRYV7hqLTGqhmI9cNIao5EhJPCNLan4BB4l1Jl043ZIXnRbYsbt/GOiyU03OaiZHA62TAeWTq2vnxjHLgOQ4pZIObFayjYISDkMLp9nLlh8SwxYmIcJYSSdc9V64fXP98H/WnDuBF2qn1F0= Received: by 10.150.156.9 with SMTP id d9mr5310491ybe.48.1199697636986; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 01:20:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:20:36 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Lear Financial, How To Transfer a Video to a DVD X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:20:39 -0000 Lear Financial, How To Transfer a Video to a DVD Depending upon your specific needs, there are a number of ways to transfer video to DVD. In this article, I will discuss how to transfer video that is already on your computer onto a playable DVD, video on a digital camcorder to a DVD, and finally video on a VHS tape to DVD. If you have video on your computer, and you would like to burn it on to a DVD, here is how you do it. First, you need the proper tools -- the DVD burner, DVD burning software, and the ability to convert the video files into the proper format. If you have windows, you can use Windows movie maker to edit the video as well, and the DVD burning software to create the video menu, and start the burning process. Typically, your DVD burner will also have the capability to convert different video files into the right file extensions that are suitable to be burned onto DVD. If not, you may have to download freeware or shareware video conversion programs, or purchase an independent video converter. After you get it into the right file format for your burning software, then it is not simply a matter of starting a the burning process on your DVD burning software. That is how to transfer video to DVD, when the video is contained in a computer. If you're trying to transfer video from your digital camcorder, you have two options. First, you can upload the video onto your computer, and follow the directions given above. Or, if you have a DVD recorder, it is much easier. Simply turn on your DVD recorder, and the television is hooked up to. Next, plug in your digital camcorder, and then turn it on. Put the digital camcorder into playback mode. Then connect a FireWire cable from the output of the digital camcorder into the input of the DVD recorder. Or, you can use analog cables, if no FireWire port is available. Make sure the inputs on your DVD recorder match the ones you're using a new digital camcorder. Then simply place the recordable DVD into the DVD recorder, and began recording. This is how you transfer video to DVD on your digital camcorder. If you'd like to transfer a VHS tape onto a DVD, then you will need special software. This is because VHS is in analog, and DVD is digital. You can purchase an analog to digital video capture device that you plug into your USB port for under $100, including software. Then simply use the software to convert the VHS into a digital file, and then follow the process for taking a video on your computer, and burning it to DVD. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 10:53:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFE016A41B for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C02613C45D for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so6275615hsj.11 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:53:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=8XrHvEGYBtN1OBfbDJDxi7qlfu3s5SESAf5Gmz/A1FI=; b=tw8OdV1ZJLYPU2rF0REQNOpxGNTEoKE+3jpokJ33ziydX9EM/bT/aYzAk9zg8Wyxqwxk+N4CoM5dRG+BPy5USPkzP7yfhqzQwr6duzKZFr/cGKO9uEDvDGmmE/Axh4qXxoJ1OjpFm6/tlqo4GxNbQlmgQYajPLcv1ZD5QgRHhBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=gjAw/UoQVXbPyNSpC31wGBzytc7mQ4JwiISBujrnwWpB4speoqp9NyGu10/Mlg79ALiLGXHomRSronSuGs68YPWesO7AUkaU+3wcdNLAUKtnPOg+ZzaHRT7IGWqs0wdAfkTzy0FwG5fD8Blwr5S0fQp0SrpVFZzunmloLAWiTvY= Received: by 10.150.200.8 with SMTP id x8mr2023908ybf.11.1199703201546; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:53:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:53:21 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Nick Lyustiger, Basic Computer Maintenance X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:53:23 -0000 Nick Lyustiger, Basic Computer Maintenance One of the most common questions computer users ask is, "How do I maintain my computer and keep it running great?" A computer is a lot like a car... it costs more than you think it should, it starts going down in value as soon as you bring it home and it requires regular maintenance to keep it running smoothly. Here are a few basic guidelines required to help keep your PC out of the shop: Always use a surge protector! Power surges, spikes, lightning and brown-outs are all things that can literally burn up your computer & its peripherals. Save yourself lots of money in repairs by buying a decent surge protector (AKA power strip) for your computer and use it. A UPS (uninterruptible power supply), though slightly more expensive, is even better. Also, realize that these power strips can only take so much... once they get hit with a large spike of voltage, they can lose their protective capabilities. If yours is over 3 years old, consider a replacement. Always use up-to-date virus protection! Everyone should know about this by now, but we often see computers with either no virus protection at all, or anti-virus software that's badly out-of-date. Nothing can wreck your computer faster than a virus (except for maybe electricity, like we mentioned above), but with a small investment in good anti-virus software and making sure you set it to update itself daily, you can easily protect your computer and your critical data from being trashed. Norton & McAfee are the most popular brands, but there are others... some are even free for personal use. Here are some links you can visit for more information: McAfee Anti-virus - http://us.mcafee.com/ Norton Anti-virus - http://www.symantec.com/nav/nav_9xnt/ AVG Free Anti-Virus (for home users only) - http://www.grisoft.com/doc/40/lng/ww Be careful what you install on your computer! This is another thing many people overlook. Installing lots of programs on your computer is a lot like putting a bunch of rowdy children together on a playground... some of them may not play well together. A good rule of thumb is "if you don't need, don't install it". This is especially true when you surf the web. You will likely get bombarded with pop-up ads trying to get you to install all kinds of free utilities they claim your computer can't live without... most of these are spyware, adware and junk. These little programs can slow down your system, collect personal information without your permission and sometimes even cause your computer to crash. Rather than pay a technician to clean up your computer when it's a mess, it's a better idea to keep it clean from the start. For a more detailed list of computer maintenance tips, you can download this free PDF file from our website (free Adobe Reader required for viewing): Home Computer Maintenance Guide - http://www.eternitek.com/bin/PC_Maintenance.pdf ------- Donnie Schexnayder is a ministry technology expert. He holds industry certifications from Microsoft and CompTIA and has over 10 years experience in supporting churches and Christian ministries with technology. With a mixture of passion and expertise, Donnie helps ministries advance their mission of bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the ends of the earth by using cutting-edge technology. Donnie lives with his wife and 2 children in Colorado Springs, CO. Eternitek :: Advancing Christian Ministries Through Technology From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 10:58:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898B316A41A for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277B613C46B for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so6277276hsj.11 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:58:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=lzC46xq77P6P88r4ltzXxHyBhUERldSN6aSXrNmzaq0=; b=H3QiQ6OR+sxq1Si8WZMpdIh4XHZUhFv47G/PQJX4VCU/uHXU5kEnO5AbRzvNURqTU7MuCQ6MTxSSWgVotIVcTr9C5/2Hg4g2mwD2Q5Iuwx66jdKIbtCmE5DFLVp/jbdiD7znWD3qjqlgdL5Ib6fWa/KYkV0wedhhqbqtKXRm1Ic= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=aKQL0yuWFOWKmXIePDcT/7MYR2V1GMYwxutPkHhW/KY/tZuOBtmURrwH5f6yzeJq6JMOd8Zs9KwpUXugfWxxyoy4OvjAnICpSA+mlCdEsuuYgW94L/oeGbLdRaz6ftuznMEs4ZJpycw++1HJTlLMmV81fDseVm/CROiHqmM0rIw= Received: by 10.150.200.8 with SMTP id x8mr4283796ybf.80.1199703529454; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 02:58:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 02:58:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:58:49 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fred and Kristen Adelman, Sports Injuries: It Aint What You Do, Its The Way That You Do It! X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 10:58:50 -0000 Fred and Kristen Adelman, Sports Injuries: It Aint What You Do, Its The Way That You Do It! When you perform your sport or physical activity, are you moving efficiently? Do you contribute to your own injuries? Try the experiments below: Experiment 1 1) Fold your arms and look to see which hand is tucked in and which hand ha= s the fingers showing. 2) Now reverse the pattern and fold them the opposite way. Don't worry if a= t first you struggle to do this. 3) Notice the difference in sensation and your reaction to that difference. 4) Unfold and after a few moments fold them again. Look at which pattern yo= u have chosen. (Note if folding the arms the opposite way does not feel different try the same exercise by clasping the hands.) The pattern in step 1 is your habitual 'folding the arms' programme that is activated without conscious thought and will feel familiar and probably comfortable. The pattern in step 2 requires some thought to achieve and wil= l probably feel wrong, as this is different from your usual preference. This experiment shows how strong the force of habit can be. Not only does it select the pattern of the movement in step 1 but it also determines what feels right and wrong in relation to position and movement. Whilst there is nothing wrong with the pattern in step 2 is it a move you would choose to d= o automatically? Probably not, because you only perform movements in a manner that feels right. When you do what feels right you engage your usual habitual movement patterns, those performed often enough to establish the habit. What you fee= l when active is important for allowing modifications and adjustments to the movement. If, as you have found in this experiment, your feelings can differentiate only between familiar and unfamiliar you will unconsciously perform all actions based on what feels right (habitual) and never in a way that feels wrong or different thus limiting your potential to change and develop. This does not cause a problem if all your movements are efficient, however, the next experiment demonstrates there is no in-built mechanism to prevent or measure inefficient effort. Experiment 2 1) Sit on a chair and get ready to stand up. 2) Before you move, observe what preparations you want to make. Do you hold your breath? Do you push forward with the lower back and raise the chest? D= o the muscles in your neck stiffen and pull back the head? Do you feel the need to push with your hands on your legs? Spend a little time to study thi= s movement before attempting the next step. 3) Now try to stand up from the chair without doing what you have just note= d (it may be necessary to ask someone to observe your actions to give you feedback). How far can you execute the move before one, or all of these patterns appear? To successfully execute step 3 can be difficult because the usual preparations you make are a part of your habitual 'getting out of a chair' programme and are ready to go before you even begin to move. You would not attempt to start the move until the familiar conditions such as the sensation of muscle tension associated with the act are present. From a mechanical point of view the common actions mentioned in step 2 actually reduce the efficiency of the movement. If your preparation and subsequent actions for this exercise are unnecessary, why do you do them? Why are you not aware that the amount of effort applied was inappropriate placing unnecessary stress on joints and ligaments? This is because you do not have a reliable mechanism that rings an alarm bell when an appropriate limit with regard to effort is exceeded. You continue to do it like this because it is a habit. When you end-gain (concentrating on the end result rather than the process of how its done)an= d think only of why you are getting out of chair, perhaps the telephone is ringing, you will give little thought to how you get out of the chair. So the point of these two experiments is to highlight what I believe to be the most important factor influencing performance =96 habit. End-gaining, o= r not being in the moment, leads to a subconscious dependence on habit that prevents the possibility for real improvement because we become used to the feel of the act and hence to do not attempt to do it any other way. The amount of effort applied to even the simplest of movements may become excessive, but again because it is a habit we remain oblivious to the energ= y we waste.Excessive or inappropriate effort will put a strain on joints and can effect timing of muscle contractions. Inefficiency can be a leading factor in non-contact sports injuries. We may assess technique or style if we believe improvements could be made but this is usually done using our same basic underlying 'patterns' of movement and effort based on our concept of the activity. The presence of one or more of the actions discussed in the second experiment suggests inefficient preparatory patterns are likely to be present in others. Whilst they remain, attempts to improve performance will have limited results because the same patterns will be used as a basis for all activity. The two behavioural factors highlighted in these experiments are pertinent to performance-enhancing exercises. The next time you perform an exercise o= r a technique, ask yourself these two questions: - Question 1: Did it feel good? If the answer is 'yes', was it because it was my usual habitual pattern? If it felt wrong, how do I know it was wrong? Remember the experience of the first experiment =96 it is your habit that determines whether it feels right or wrong! Question 2: Was the amount of effort applied appropriate for the task? Coul= d I perform the task with less effort? Again, how would I know? Think back to the second experiment and whether you were aware of the excessive effort used just to get out of a chair. This leaves us in a difficult position. If we cannot trust what we feel, ho= w can we ensure our efforts are not wasted or worse still detrimental to health and performance? If your movement and concept of movement is questionable, all measures to enhance performance using these unreliable mechanisms will have a limited or even harmful outcome. To complicate the issue you may not even be aware that there is a problem due to the nature o= f the condition as you can soon forget what it is like to have natural, free movement if poor movement becomes habitual. More vigorous activities performed with poor movement will further reduce awareness leading to an ever-increasing amount of effort being applied to complete the simplest of tasks. The viscous circle is complete =96 garbage in, garbage out. Before y= ou think about training you should ensure that the mechanisms you rely on for movement are functioning to their optimum ability. Unfortunately, living in today's fast moving world provides the conditions most likely to bring about a lowering in the standard of these mechanisms. Using FM Alexander's radical approach, The Alexander Technique, can help yo= u to eliminate the end-gaining habit and enhance self-awareness to allow you to see the subtle changes required if you are to improve. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 7 13:02:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F2316A418 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rees@citi.umich.edu) Received: from citi.umich.edu (unknown [IPv6:2001:468:e9c:3060::4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA2013C43E for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rees@citi.umich.edu) Received: from citi.umich.edu (dsl093-001-248.det1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.1.248]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Jim Rees", Issuer "CITI Production KCA" (verified OK)) by citi.umich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318E24C77; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:02:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:02:41 -0500 From: Jim Rees To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20080107130241.GB9138@citi.umich.edu> References: <4781A605.6050607@highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4781A605.6050607@highperformance.net> Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, matt@linuxbox.com, port-freebsd@openafs.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-port-freebsd] FreeBSD Port Interest X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:02:45 -0000 First you have to get it to work. At one time the server worked but the client never has, at least not recently. It needs to be brought up to date with respect to kernel smp locking. If anyone does come up with patches please send them to me so I can put them in to the OpenAFS source tree. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 8 09:41:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4499016A417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021F613C458 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id h53so364693hsh.11 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:41:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=GLqR4xrVQYGiyMHWNEb6xv2iLxWz07KdAx4VNqG8Ywo=; b=NhxA/hPGlKIBZLc/+P+2aMNynpqKzP+FYA7kVdMJUPtwgIt4hMUzGoLuwBsokr+/n7y8Qi6KPd/LYU1eQp05Fj70uEonP5qVHfnulR8Fye2QKjm2xN91h8Ms8F4asqKaNT2aA/wHIbGSjtgyX6UG+Wr4ZipnXi4sMVG4sw6GIvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=u+eCwQoYQz0Pqdu5bVAd27O8Fe8HM7Cr4UxQpGSwt8WWx6VxFlDaUu1/1//0UTa8fqWOy3bHBnq4KtRax4oe28oASblFXT1yhJd3st6ThJbPQTor3vOeYE1Cut9H/XPSEg0g4Ik8klFmx6WkBPFZ+O38LvOV/4j+nmbnpYvXduc= Received: by 10.150.148.7 with SMTP id v7mr193498ybd.26.1199785308868; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 01:41:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:41:48 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Liberty League International, Internet Marketing Never Stop Talking X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:41:51 -0000 Liberty League International, Internet Marketing Never Stop Talking If there is one thing that every online business should understand it?s that Internet marketing is a process that may have a beginning, but it has no end. 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It may be your website is not at the place where this type of site is practical or needed, but if does give a future focal point to observe what might yet be. Too many ecommerce websites think too small and only cater to what they believe to be a small niche market for their products or services. A business that refuses to grow is telling the world, ?I don?t want your business.? As a business owner you should be constantly on the lookout for means and methods of letting more people know about your site. Internet marketing is not a one-size-fits-all concept. You will need to continually work at locating new approaches and new markets. Allow autoresponders to do a significant amount of the response work of your business so you can continue to work at the task of taking your message to the people. If you ever get to the point where you believe you have finally arrived in regards to your Internet marketing strategy it might be time to be worried. You certainly can have a good handle on Internet marketing, but there will always be one more trail to travel, one more group to approach, one more press release to send out and one more email that needs to be sent. Your website is worth talking about ? and you?re the mouthpiece. So, what are you saying? www.libertyleagueinternational.info www.libertyleagueconference.com www.beyondfreedom.com From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 8 10:13:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E88B16A417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1484A13C468 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id h53so374402hsh.11 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:13:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=H8Xz3K5ekaZuwKR+09RXZ00mf/CcNEerfxEixYRQEuI=; b=i6/soA54nOWbBCB6fLMTHASXAWgsCUadm496I5N8+Ao3TcysvVhuNeQTMzbGOYQMkPVAhFRfUg8J3q1tCreUdpAQ4ly5MxXU8xcmNJSKe6XruG/kXrkxlWyH+BRzBnVj8ks7PZT3zS+q4I2lh1crYC2C7Xi+tH9l2eqDhA9QbBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tAsDbXpQ4f75ge7yEFAXpd3Ns7FAXfhZ1v28XA0IRHB1jI0nxKJGLx3tfsoCxs6+Kk0q+4gcB3EDIZoOeCKCFemv0ZTpQQTUga2IGJ5GsE2n2wQ9H/2p4mdCvK5hRNFajXPqD0RSWQOKTVnbFqFmEaDEK3e9w6zukLHTXaUJRnA= Received: by 10.150.195.21 with SMTP id s21mr451540ybf.114.1199787230759; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:13:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:13:50 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Five Point Capital, Choosing The Right Weight Lifting Equipment For You X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:13:51 -0000 Five Point Capital, Choosing The Right Weight Lifting Equipment For You When you decide to engage in a weight lifting program at the convenience of your home, it is wise and practical to identify what is the right weight lifting equipment for you. Do not just buy anything without prior planning because buying in impulse is not really recommended.. The first thing that you need to do is to identify why you want to engage in weight lifting. Do you want to lose weight or gain weight? Or is it for improving your strength and endurance? Or just to tone your muscles? After identifying your purpose, look for the appropriate weight lifting training program for your need. There are lots of free and yet highly effective training workout programs that are available in the internet which are being shared by experienced weight lifters and trainers. Many of these free weight lifting programs are designed for beginners while there are also some that are intended for intermediate and advance weight lifters. Just choose the one that matches your lifestyle and especially your schedule. After identifying your program, read the necessary weight lifting equipment that you need to do the said workout. You will definitely need set of barbells or dumbbells and a weight bench. In buying these equipment or tools, prefer those that are adjustable and comes with set of adjustable discs. Likewise, consider barbells or dumbbells with rubber bumper plates because these do not easily bend or break even when you dropped them accidentally. When in comes in buying weight bench, choose the durable and heavy duty one that is preferably adjustable. But you can choose just the basic weight bench unless your workout routine will require you to use adjustable or reclining weight benches. The critical part of buying weight lifting equipment is when you are looking for weight lifting machine to aid in your workout. There are so many available machines in the market today and they are relatively way expensive than barbells, dumbbells and weight benches so ask for feed back and advice. And be sure that it can serve it purpose when you start your work training program. One good place to read functions, reviews as well as to check and compare prices of any weight lifting equipment or even accessory is the internet. Check out the online stores and weight lifting forums to know the function and effectivity of these machines or accessories. And be sure that the weight lifting machine that you want to buy is the one that you really need and can still be used even you advance in more complicated weight lifting program. 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Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" , rees@umich.edu, openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, port-freebsd@openafs.org References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, rra@stanford.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, matt@linuxbox.com Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:44:57 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Does anyone know if there is any serious work being done to get AFS working > under FreeBSD? I have a large project that I'm working on that AFS (or > something equivalent) would be *very* useful for, but we're trying to keep it > as FreeBSD-pure as possible ... Yes. Please get in touch with any of the people CC'ed in this list. I believe Matt Benjamin is the one who is actually getting serious on this project. Patches were even mentioned in a recent email. I recall Jim Rees is knowledgeable on AFS. I also think one Derrick J. Brashear was interested/knowledgeable too, but I don't have his address handy. If I misrepesented anyone please feel free to correct me. Matt, if you do not know Marc, look up Postgresql. Marc is the port maintainer for postgresql as well as a postgres developer. (iirc) Me, I am just a user who put together an ugly, ugly little FreeBSD port a long time ago in the hope that it would inspire some people who were qualified to do real work to pick it up and run with it. There are a couple mailing lists suitable for FreeBSD porting discussions. One is run by the OpenAFS people and the other is run by FreeBSD people. Sorry for the spam and cross posts. It seems like the interest in OpenAFS on FreeBSD is building. I hope that this message will put the right people in touch with each other and that maybe a concerted effort to port OpenAFS to FreeBSD will arise. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 14:34:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBFD16A479 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6836213C4EA for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784FD46B51; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:23:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:23:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> Message-ID: <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:01:45 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, "Marc G. Fournier" , openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:34:14 -0000 On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >> Does anyone know if there is any serious work being done to get AFS working >> under FreeBSD? I have a large project that I'm working on that AFS (or >> something equivalent) would be *very* useful for, but we're trying to keep >> it as FreeBSD-pure as possible ... > > Yes. Please get in touch with any of the people CC'ed in this list. I > believe Matt Benjamin is the one who is actually getting serious on this > project. Patches were even mentioned in a recent email. I recall Jim Rees > is knowledgeable on AFS. I also think one Derrick J. Brashear was > interested/knowledgeable too, but I don't have his address handy. If I > misrepesented anyone please feel free to correct me. > > Matt, if you do not know Marc, look up Postgresql. Marc is the port > maintainer for postgresql as well as a postgres developer. (iirc) > > Me, I am just a user who put together an ugly, ugly little FreeBSD port a > long time ago in the hope that it would inspire some people who were > qualified to do real work to pick it up and run with it. > > There are a couple mailing lists suitable for FreeBSD porting discussions. > One is run by the OpenAFS people and the other is run by FreeBSD people. > > Sorry for the spam and cross posts. It seems like the interest in OpenAFS on > FreeBSD is building. I hope that this message will put the right people in > touch with each other and that maybe a concerted effort to port OpenAFS to > FreeBSD will arise. Arla, which is just an AFS client, runs on some versions of FreeBSD, although typically not really recent ones. I spent a little time this summer looking at getting it updated to 7, but ran out of time. I'd like very much to get at least the kernel parts of an AFS client into the base system, as otherwise any AFS port (be it Arla, OpenAFS, etc) will constantly be falling behind and breaking as the base tree moves forward. Our VFS tends to change with moderate speed, and having it in the base tree will allow it to be updated as part of regular changes to our KPI by the author of the changes, rather than watching more and more ifdefs appear in a third-party tree. I'm happy to lend a hand with this, but I don't have the time (apparently) to drive a port forward myself right now. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 15:54:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D239B16A418; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893B113C457; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:54:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0EFsY2e024760; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:54:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <478B85BB.8000707@highperformance.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:54:35 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:23:07 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Marc G. Fournier" , openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:54:47 -0000 For those of you who haven't seen this. Here is my rudimentary port. It is nothing more than the FreeBSD parts wrapped around the OpenAFS source. I think I was working on version 5 of FreeBSD but I don't recall for sure. This was version OpenAFS 1.4.2. It compiled. The kernel module loaded. I was able to get tokens using the system heimdal. I even got a directory listing via the client. Attempting to manipulate files resulted in an immediate panic. http://www.stradamotorsports.com/~jcw/openafs/ I would advise those who are interested to discuss and choose a mailing list for continuing the effort. We are currently writing four different lists in this thread. I'll test whatever you guys come up with. I'll be running FreeBSD-6.3 real soon now. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 14 16:47:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED7816A419 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51B8F13C4F3 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:47:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 23431 invoked by uid 2001); 14 Jan 2008 16:20:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:20:51 -0600 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20080114162051.GA23327@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:47:34 -0000 > Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if there is any serious work being done to get AFS > > working under FreeBSD? I have a large project that I'm working on that > >AFS (or something equivalent) would be *very* useful for, but we're trying > >to keep it as FreeBSD-pure as possible ... Recent work has been done with arla to work with FreeBSD 6.x. See this thread: https://lists.stacken.kth.se/pipermail/arla-drinkers/2008-January/004158.html -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 15 04:37:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB85B16A417; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@linuxbox.com) Received: from aa.linuxbox.com (aa.linuxbox.com [134.215.213.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2D813C44B; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:37:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@linuxbox.com) Received: from trosper.private.linuxbox.com (trosper.private.linuxbox.com [10.1.1.45]) by aa.linuxbox.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m0F4QfOm005515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:26:51 -0500 Received: by trosper.private.linuxbox.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 7AB17D9A1DCA; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:26:41 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on trosper.private.linuxbox.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 Received: from secant.private.linuxbox.com (unknown [10.1.1.217]) by trosper.private.linuxbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3631D9A1DC8; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:26:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <478C35F3.7010606@linuxbox.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:26:27 -0500 From: Matt Benjamin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aa.linuxbox.com [10.1.1.1]); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:27:27 -0500 (EST) Cc: rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Jason C. Wells" , "Marc G. Fournier" , Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:37:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi guys (took a few locations off the cc, hope that's ok...), I think there's good support from the openafs side for this. Derrick is supportive. Jim is interested in seeing patches. (Openafs gatekeeper/elder folks.) I can commit some development time to it. I did some easy build cleanups for FreeBSD 7, and submitted them. If there's something formal we should be doing, let Derrick know. Matt - -- Matt Benjamin The Linux Box 206 South Fifth Ave. Suite 150 Ann Arbor, MI 48104 http://linuxbox.com tel. 734-761-4689 fax. 734-769-8938 cel. 734-216-5309 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHjDXyJiSUUSaRdSURCBA3AKCKe0dg83WVdGBTDfaHDYppnAVkKwCfesCB 31XJ2n+Xukn7dwt8e6R6GbY= =x5qW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 15 05:00:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A041316A41A; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:00:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2249413C478; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0F50pWU028750; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <478C3E05.7060307@highperformance.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:00:53 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Benjamin References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <478C35F3.7010606@linuxbox.com> In-Reply-To: <478C35F3.7010606@linuxbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Marc G. Fournier" , Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:00:59 -0000 Matt Benjamin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi guys (took a few locations off the cc, hope that's ok...), I am pretty sure that the larger number of the people in this discussion are already subscribed to port-freebsd@openafs.org. No one piped up so I'll make a proposal. I invite the others to subscribe to port-freebsd@openafs.org and use it for porting efforts. Matt, it looks like your the one with the desire to work this in earnest. It also looks like some pretty capable people are speaking up about OpenAFS. I'm thrilled. If you can post a port or patches to a website on a regular basis I will gladly try to build them on regular basis. I'll help in my userly way. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 15 05:51:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BC116A41B; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@linuxbox.com) Received: from aa.linuxbox.com (aa.linuxbox.com [134.215.213.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C0A13C4D1; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@linuxbox.com) Received: from trosper.private.linuxbox.com (trosper.private.linuxbox.com [10.1.1.45]) by aa.linuxbox.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m0F5oKwE010709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:50:30 -0500 Received: by trosper.private.linuxbox.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5CB42D9A1DD5; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:50:19 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on trosper.private.linuxbox.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7 Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [10.8.0.6]) by trosper.private.linuxbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9462AD9A1DD3; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:50:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <478C4994.50009@linuxbox.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:50:12 -0500 From: Matt Benjamin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <478C35F3.7010606@linuxbox.com> <478C3E05.7060307@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: <478C3E05.7060307@highperformance.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aa.linuxbox.com [10.1.1.1]); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:51:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Marc G. Fournier" , Derrick J Brashear Subject: Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:51:08 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Thanks, Jason. A lot of work has been done over the last several years, by Derrick, Jim, and others. I haven't worked with the freebsd port until recently, although I work on the cache mgr in general these last couple years. (Also, Derrick says, fixing kern/75710 will help him be more productive on freebsd. He sent a patch, and is grumpy it stalled out somewhere.) Thanks, Matt Jason C. Wells wrote: | Matt Benjamin wrote: |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |> Hash: SHA256 |> |> Hi guys (took a few locations off the cc, hope that's ok...), | | I am pretty sure that the larger number of the people in this discussion | are already subscribed to port-freebsd@openafs.org. No one piped up so | I'll make a proposal. I invite the others to subscribe to | port-freebsd@openafs.org and use it for porting efforts. | | Matt, it looks like your the one with the desire to work this in | earnest. It also looks like some pretty capable people are speaking up | about OpenAFS. I'm thrilled. | | If you can post a port or patches to a website on a regular basis I will | gladly try to build them on regular basis. I'll help in my userly way. | | Later, | Jason C. Wells - -- Matt Benjamin The Linux Box 206 South Fifth Ave. Suite 150 Ann Arbor, MI 48104 http://linuxbox.com tel. 734-761-4689 fax. 734-769-8938 cel. 734-216-5309 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHjEmUJiSUUSaRdSURCLEKAJ42fDHMKdgB/ei761Sb4dcovDSQWgCfdKC4 ohpzPgoCV5fkp86YJ88JhpA= =XC8o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 16 13:50:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FA716A419 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD3A13C4E8 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from candyshop999@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so182156nzf.13 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:50:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=6UlUhbWK7SGotZFrd+RrLDpe7vxHbNLOYRxh1zWeUpc=; b=nd+zQvl88J7XY1i2kwES4FTzTSDTYIO5m7RrQ3u/DrOPaeIT0bazmJnEgOQJB1C+zNtVqs51dAkzybUS+fjQpRGX6anK+NpsR3fMsMJoE4QpPZK7I4fiMPKnFU+/fP3Gy5g4FtS4FcoI9RvqAx7BlGvaLkNA3xQuPljsZtXXNx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nN+r0xhD+N2k61iiwcMKEM6d3oJriu0YesAiol5sYhd2DWwQdyHfhDSMtCURKDY+i+T2Hvy8xFXp343ik9VA9/TJWyJSUX9OGDHTqriNoM8CjKxxjSlr1SWD3GGMfU+pSTZe5B6/8F6g0Sz0p+eQZcc0UkBjaWl1Z7CrSRHFzg0= Received: by 10.110.26.10 with SMTP id 10mr184649tiz.54.1200491407511; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.156.8 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:50:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:50:07 +0200 From: "Super Star" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Liba Cohn, What Type of Travel Insurance Fits You Best? 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To discover how you can cover your travel expenses with wise investments, please visit: From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 16 20:33:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D2B16A494; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhutz@cmu.edu) Received: from jackfruit.srv.cs.cmu.edu (JACKFRUIT.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.201.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7F413C455; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhutz@cmu.edu) Received: from atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu (ATLANTIS.PC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.216.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by jackfruit.srv.cs.cmu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0GImqOi012702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:48:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:48:52 -0500 From: Jeffrey Hutzelman To: Robert Watson , "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:08:45 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, jhutz@cmu.edu Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:11 -0000 --On Monday, January 14, 2008 02:23:47 PM +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > I'd like very much to get at least the kernel parts of an AFS client into > the base system. That may well be realistic for arla, though I believe there was a period for a while where the kernel/arlad interface was evolving to support features like chunking. I pay only superficial attention to arla-drinkers, so I don't know what the status of any of that is; for that, you'd have to ask someone who is actively involved in arla development (I believe there are some such people on this list). It is unlikely ever to happen for OpenAFS, in which virtually all of the cache manager code is in-kernel and most of it is cross-platform. Trying to pull the OpenAFS cache manager into the FreeBSD kernel would be equivalent to forking OpenAFS; what you'd get would work and would keep up with FreeBSD, but it would be unlikely to keep up with OpenAFS. The "let's just slurp everything into the main distribution so we don't have to worry about stable interfaces" approach is really poor. It encourages bad engineering practice among people maintaining the main distribution, discourages innovation and extension by others, and generally doesn't scale. It's far better to either attempt to maintain stable external interfaces to the VFS and VM subsystems, or else admit that you don't have the resources to do so given the relatively small number of external users, in which case you almost certainly also don't have the resources to keep on top of updates to something like OpenAFS. In the long run, I'm guessing that the OpenAFS cache manager evolves more quickly than FreeBSD's VFS interface, which makes pulling the CM into the kernel tree a losing battle. If you disagree, by all means fork that part of AFS (or get someone else to do so) and see what happens (AFS's user/kernel and RPC interfaces are both fairly stable, so forking just the kernel parts should be mostly feasible). -- Jeff From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 16 20:52:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D718716A419; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70ED613C478; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EB646C05; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:52:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:52:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jeffrey Hutzelman In-Reply-To: <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:27:35 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Jason C. Wells" , openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:52:57 -0000 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Monday, January 14, 2008 02:23:47 PM +0000 Robert Watson > wrote: > >> I'd like very much to get at least the kernel parts of an AFS client into >> the base system. > > That may well be realistic for arla, though I believe there was a period for > a while where the kernel/arlad interface was evolving to support features > like chunking. I pay only superficial attention to arla-drinkers, so I > don't know what the status of any of that is; for that, you'd have to ask > someone who is actively involved in arla development (I believe there are > some such people on this list). > > It is unlikely ever to happen for OpenAFS, in which virtually all of the > cache manager code is in-kernel and most of it is cross-platform. Trying to > pull the OpenAFS cache manager into the FreeBSD kernel would be equivalent > to forking OpenAFS; what you'd get would work and would keep up with > FreeBSD, but it would be unlikely to keep up with OpenAFS. I chatted with Darrick for a while on IM yesterday (or was it the day before) to try and get a better understanding of the OpenAFS parts, and now that I know a little more, agree. My primary experience until now has been with Arla, which has a very stable interface between its relatively static kernel module and the userspace cache manager, so the main on-going engineering for the kernel module is tracking changes in the FreeBSD VFS rather than tracking Arla changes. > The "let's just slurp everything into the main distribution so we don't have > to worry about stable interfaces" approach is really poor. It encourages > bad engineering practice among people maintaining the main distribution, > discourages innovation and extension by others, and generally doesn't scale. > It's far better to either attempt to maintain stable external interfaces to > the VFS and VM subsystems, or else admit that you don't have the resources > to do so given the relatively small number of external users, in which case > you almost certainly also don't have the resources to keep on top of updates > to something like OpenAFS. Right now we maintain a relatively stable VM/VFS KPI withing a major release (i.e, FreeBSD 6.0 -> 6.1 -> 6.2 -> 6.3), but see fairly significant changes between major releases (5.x -> 6.x -> 7.x, etc). I expect to see further changes in VFS for 8.x (and some of the locking-related ones have already started going in). The historic problem for Arla has been that instead of tracking these VFS changes as they are made, they had to catch up every once in a while. Normally that "every once in a while" has been at the point where a FreeBSD branch is coming to the end of support rather than when it is new and shiny. The result has been that Arla is pretty hard to use with FreeBSD as you either have to run a relatively old version of FreeBSD, or update the Arla kernel parts yourself (neither exciting prospects). In particular, if you are a FreeBSD kernel developer, you will never be running Arla as you are almost certainly running something on the development HEAD and not an aging branch. This leads to a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem, in which FreeBSD developers never use AFS, and this almost certainly an obstacle to it getting much use in the wider FreeBSD community. If there's sufficient interest in the AFS community to create and maintain a port of OpenAFS to FreeBSD, I think that would be wonderful. However, in light of the fact that it hasn't really happened to date, I've been trying to think of ways to help support that community a bit better. In the case of Arla, there's a quite logical path: if we import the nnpfs kernel module (but not cache manager), then it will track FreeBSD development and almost certainly work with little or no trouble on new major releases, as sweeps to various KPIs will happen "for free". If that doesn't work with OpenAFS due to structural differences from Arla, that's a shame (because it is easy in the case of Arla), but life. So let's turn the question around: to get the OpenAFS client up and running on FreeBSD, do you have any technical requirements not yet met by FreeBSD, or is it really about finding someone willing to spend some time doing the bulk of the technical work and track bugs for a while? Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 16 23:48:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D36B16A417; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:48:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhutz@cmu.edu) Received: from minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu (MINBAR.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.185.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C833E13C467; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:48:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhutz@cmu.edu) Received: from minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by minbar.fac.cs.cmu.edu id aa12622; 16 Jan 2008 16:47 EST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Hutzelman X-X-Sender: To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:00:28 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Jason C. Wells" , openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:48:54 -0000 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > > > The "let's just slurp everything into the main distribution so we don't have > > to worry about stable interfaces" approach is really poor. It encourages > > bad engineering practice among people maintaining the main distribution, > > discourages innovation and extension by others, and generally doesn't scale. > > It's far better to either attempt to maintain stable external interfaces to > > the VFS and VM subsystems, or else admit that you don't have the resources > > to do so given the relatively small number of external users, in which case > > you almost certainly also don't have the resources to keep on top of updates > > to something like OpenAFS. > > Right now we maintain a relatively stable VM/VFS KPI withing a major release > (i.e, FreeBSD 6.0 -> 6.1 -> 6.2 -> 6.3), but see fairly significant changes > between major releases (5.x -> 6.x -> 7.x, etc). I expect to see further > changes in VFS for 8.x (and some of the locking-related ones have already > started going in). Yup; that's a reasonable process. > The historic problem for Arla has been that instead of tracking these VFS > changes as they are made, they had to catch up every once in a while. Normally > that "every once in a while" has been at the point where a FreeBSD branch is > coming to the end of support rather than when it is new and shiny. Yes, that's a problem you're likely to run into unless you have a community of developers who are interested in keeping current versions working for their own use. For example, we tend to have relatively little trouble getting people to spend time making OpenAFS work on Linux or Solaris (sometimes we have trouble _getting_ it to work, but that's a different story). > In the case of > Arla, there's a quite logical path: if we import the nnpfs kernel module (but > not cache manager), then it will track FreeBSD development and almost > certainly work with little or no trouble on new major releases, as sweeps to > various KPIs will happen "for free". Yes. In fact, I think NetBSD has already done that. > So let's turn the question around: to get the OpenAFS client up and running on > FreeBSD, do you have any technical requirements not yet met by FreeBSD I don't think we know the answer to that... > , or is > it really about finding someone willing to spend some time doing the bulk of > the technical work and track bugs for a while? because this _is_ a significant part of the problem. So for starters, I think we're looking for someone who has some familiarity with OpenAFS and/or with FreeBSD's VFS layer, or thinks they can fake it, and who has cycles they're interested in spending on this. I'm sure such a person would be welcome on the openafs-devel list. -- Jeff From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 00:09:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C57516A418 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 145AF13C4E3 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 54953 invoked by uid 2001); 17 Jan 2008 00:09:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:09:42 -0600 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Jeffrey Hutzelman Message-ID: <20080117000942.GA54906@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: rra@stanford.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Jason C. Wells" , openafs-devel@openafs.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:09:44 -0000 On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 01:48:52PM -0500, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > --On Monday, January 14, 2008 02:23:47 PM +0000 Robert Watson > wrote: > > >I'd like very much to get at least the kernel parts of an AFS client into > >the base system. > That may well be realistic for arla, though I believe there was a period > for a while where the kernel/arlad interface was evolving to support > features like chunking. I pay only superficial attention to arla-drinkers, > so I don't know what the status of any of that is; for that, you'd have to > ask someone who is actively involved in arla development (I believe there > are some such people on this list). > > It is unlikely ever to happen for OpenAFS, in which virtually all of the > cache manager code is in-kernel and most of it is cross-platform. Trying > to pull the OpenAFS cache manager into the FreeBSD kernel would be > equivalent to forking OpenAFS; what you'd get would work and would keep up > with FreeBSD, but it would be unlikely to keep up with OpenAFS. > > The "let's just slurp everything into the main distribution so we don't > have to worry about stable interfaces" approach is really poor. It > encourages bad engineering practice among people maintaining the main > distribution, discourages innovation and extension by others, and generally > doesn't scale. It's far better to either attempt to maintain stable > external interfaces to the VFS and VM subsystems, or else admit that you > don't have the resources to do so given the relatively small number of > external users, in which case you almost certainly also don't have the > resources to keep on top of updates to something like OpenAFS. > > In the long run, I'm guessing that the OpenAFS cache manager evolves more > quickly than FreeBSD's VFS interface, which makes pulling the CM into the > kernel tree a losing battle. If you disagree, by all means fork that part > of AFS (or get someone else to do so) and see what happens (AFS's > user/kernel and RPC interfaces are both fairly stable, so forking just the > kernel parts should be mostly feasible). > > -- Jeff > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-fs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-fs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-fs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 00:18:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A218016A420 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: from kiwi-computer.com (keira.kiwi-computer.com [63.224.10.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 230F113C45B for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rick@kiwi-computer.com) Received: (qmail 55027 invoked by uid 2001); 17 Jan 2008 00:18:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:18:07 -0600 From: "Rick C. Petty" To: Jeffrey Hutzelman Message-ID: <20080117001807.GB54906@keira.kiwi-computer.com> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: rra@stanford.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.org, "Jason C. Wells" , openafs-devel@openafs.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rick-freebsd@kiwi-computer.com List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:18:08 -0000 *** Please ignore my previous unedited response *** > --On Monday, January 14, 2008 02:23:47 PM +0000 Robert Watson > wrote: > > >I'd like very much to get at least the kernel parts of an AFS client into > >the base system. I'm not sure how compatible the AFS client is with FreeBSD VFS. I looked into doing this at one time, but getting Arla to work was a much shorter path. I certainly would welcome any effort; it would give admins a choice between AFS clients. I believe the problem in the past with AFS clients has been the lack of developer time committed to maintaining the clients in the long term. Certainly it doesn't help to have major VFS rework so often as FreeBSD has had... I submitted numerous patches to Arla just to get it to compile on FreeBSD 6.x, and now we're about to release 7.0 and Arla just recently works on 6. It would also help if there was documentation on how to migrate code away from deprecated VFS calls. IIRC, the 5.x/6.0 VFS changes broke a lot of things and yet I still can't find any documentation aside from reading the diffs and guesswork. -- Rick C. Petty From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 08:17:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D495516A417 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamromsay@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DDC13C4F2 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:17:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamromsay@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so512459rvb.43 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:17:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=FZcooZg80RzwEDZfd4qoRUp1x/0gbaZvnC3M2ekkYBU=; b=Xd40GFW755TzdsH4qQEtcSI6A5BjQCbUYZ0Y6tMxlkSrH3GUJJZR0+0w4AMRLIyI+oaPlimmstR8ADppsPJ/bdJ53LfXHXpcYj+v04BPL3gidtwRzx7+b6TIu606wVskJw0EWsZEJtOIQc4t3U8mKRdco9TlEN9/acNh9PxGUmA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=SykVtNCbRJifn31UGyhNTJiD5fNDUH1ATRIWrfYw6LHLS8q+CrzBG0VTbUB5YsXBWYkuRBr8HRkDjTRHr6E+yT8mhfB7+7gxn5Zx+DUpV7ph4CmK+6uMTJVCCaz3Zn2Osf4Akma3CPv1F0TTc0lcCPYIIMRxZdIzp2SXAVEZBYc= Received: by 10.140.82.38 with SMTP id f38mr1257878rvb.27.1200556188945; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.11 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:49:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e338f8f0801162349o7a65e94t7f67840da2f3e212@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:49:48 +0200 From: "william romsay" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Liba Cohn, Travel Insurance FAQ X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:17:47 -0000 Liba Cohn, Travel Insurance FAQ Liba Cohn Liba Lyustiger Lillian Sarah Lyustiger lillian sarah cohn sara lyustiger natalija lyustiger cohn lyustiger sarah lyustiger Travel Insurance is an essential part of any trip and is something that should not be put aside. 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Travel insurance should provide coverage for medical cost, transportation to a medical facility, and reimburse you for certain or some nonrefundable costs due to a interrupted trip, and financial loss of funds. How much does travel insurance cost? How much the cost of your travel insurance will be depends on your insurance company provider and their policy. The cost of travel insurance usually will range up to 12 percent of the cost of your vacation/trip. Is travel insurance really important and how many people actually get paid for their claims? Travel insurance is highly recommended, there are usually about 10% of people who file claims. Sometimes some travelers make have taken a overly expensive trip that they would have to pay out of their own money if they have not bought travel insurance. What is the medical care coverage? When there is a case of illness or serious injury, medical transportation to an appropriate medical facility, and medical treatment will be covered. 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You will have to ask more about this to your travel insurance provider. From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 17:22:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376E216A417 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E9513C461 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from phobos.samsco.home (phobos.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0HHE4WT001465; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:14:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <478F8CDC.8080503@samsco.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:14:04 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Macklem References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:14:04 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.4 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, rra@stanford.edu Subject: Re: VFS KPI was Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:16 -0000 Rick Macklem wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: > > [good stuff snipped] >> >> Right now we maintain a relatively stable VM/VFS KPI withing a major >> release (i.e, FreeBSD 6.0 -> 6.1 -> 6.2 -> 6.3), but see fairly >> significant changes between major releases (5.x -> 6.x -> 7.x, etc). >> I expect to see further changes in VFS for 8.x (and some of the >> locking-related ones have already started going in). >> > This is loosely related to both the OpenAFS thread and the Mac OS X ZFS > port thread, so I thought I'd ask... > > Has anyone considered trying to bring the FreeBSD VFS KPI (and others, for > that matter) closed to the Darwin/Mac OS X ones? The Apple folks made > quite dramatic changes to their VFS when going from Panther (very FreeBSD > like) to Tiger, but seemed to have stabilized, at least for Leopard. It > just seems that using the Mac OS X KPIs might leverage some work being > done on both sides? (I don't know if there is an OpenAFS port to Mac OS X > or interest in one, but I would think there would be a use for one, if it > existed?) > > Although I'm far from an expert on the Mac OS X VFS (when I ported to it, > I just cribbed the code and it worked:-), it seems that they pretty well > got rid of the concept of a vnode-lock. If the underlying file system > isn't SMP safe, it can put a lock on the subsystem at the VFS call. > (I think it optionally does a global lock or a uses an smp lock in the > vnode, but don't quote me on this. My code currently runs with the > thread-safe flag false in the vfs_conf structure entry, which enables > the automagic locking.) > Both Solaris and OSX seem to have found the path out of the VFS locking woods, and it would indeed be really nice if FreeBSD could follow suit. You're not the first to suggest the vnode locking move out of VFS and into the filesystems. I think that the work it would take to adapt the existing filesystems to this design would be far less than the ongoing work by everyone to fight the old design (both in FreeBSD proper and in companies that do their own custom filesystems in FreeBSD), but it does come at a cost of making things like nullfs much harder, if not nearly impossible. I wish I had time to work on something like this, but I encourage others to look into it and experiment. Scott From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 17:22:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4F816A417; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from moe.cs.uoguelph.ca (moe.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.94.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4839E13C46B; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca (muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.91.102]) by moe.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HHMGu9012974; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:22:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (rmacklem@localhost) by muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0HHPPf00119; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca: rmacklem owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:25:25 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Macklem X-X-Sender: rmacklem@muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <478F8BF2.4070700@samsco.org> Message-ID: References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> <478F8BF2.4070700@samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 131.104.94.198 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, openafs-devel@openafs.org, port-freebsd@openafs.org Subject: Re: VFS KPI was Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:21 -0000 On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Scott Long wrote: > > Both Solaris and OSX seem to have found the path out of the VFS locking > woods, and it would indeed be really nice if FreeBSD could follow suit. Yes, I didn't mention Solaris (because I've never looked at it), but being able to easily port file system code from OpenSolaris sounds like it might be a big win. ZFS is an obvious example, but there is also stuff like pNFS in the pipe that would be nice. (I'm going to try and get my nfsv4 code into FreeBSD, but it will only be nfsv4.0 and I have no urge to do 4.1/pNFS.) And others mentioned that there is quite a bit of momentum w.r.t. OpenAFS in Solaris. rick From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 17:22:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E416A41A; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DAB13C46A; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from phobos.samsco.home (phobos.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0HHAAAv001430; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <478F8BF2.4070700@samsco.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:10:10 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Macklem References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:10:10 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.4 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:39:15 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, "Jason C. Wells" , openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: VFS KPI was Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:22:19 -0000 Rick Macklem wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: > > [good stuff snipped] >> >> Right now we maintain a relatively stable VM/VFS KPI withing a major >> release (i.e, FreeBSD 6.0 -> 6.1 -> 6.2 -> 6.3), but see fairly >> significant changes between major releases (5.x -> 6.x -> 7.x, etc). >> I expect to see further changes in VFS for 8.x (and some of the >> locking-related ones have already started going in). >> > This is loosely related to both the OpenAFS thread and the Mac OS X ZFS > port thread, so I thought I'd ask... > > Has anyone considered trying to bring the FreeBSD VFS KPI (and others, for > that matter) closed to the Darwin/Mac OS X ones? The Apple folks made > quite dramatic changes to their VFS when going from Panther (very FreeBSD > like) to Tiger, but seemed to have stabilized, at least for Leopard. It > just seems that using the Mac OS X KPIs might leverage some work being > done on both sides? (I don't know if there is an OpenAFS port to Mac OS X > or interest in one, but I would think there would be a use for one, if it > existed?) > > Although I'm far from an expert on the Mac OS X VFS (when I ported to it, > I just cribbed the code and it worked:-), it seems that they pretty well > got rid of the concept of a vnode-lock. If the underlying file system > isn't SMP safe, it can put a lock on the subsystem at the VFS call. > (I think it optionally does a global lock or a uses an smp lock in the > vnode, but don't quote me on this. My code currently runs with the > thread-safe flag false in the vfs_conf structure entry, which enables > the automagic locking.) > Both Solaris and OSX seem to have found the path out of the VFS locking woods, and it would indeed be really nice if FreeBSD could follow suit. You're not the first to suggest the vnode locking move out of VFS and into the filesystems. I think that the work it would take to adapt the existing filesystems to this design would be far less than the ongoing work by everyone to fight the old design (both in FreeBSD proper and in companies that do their own custom filesystems in FreeBSD), but it does come at a cost of making things like nullfs much harder, if not nearly impossible. I wish I had time to work on something like this, but I encourage others to look into it and experiment. Scott From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 17:58:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD90516A419; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943C113C46B; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from phobos.samsco.home (phobos.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0HHw8jB001680; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:58:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <478F9730.7040204@samsco.org> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:58:08 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071128 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Macklem References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> <478F8BF2.4070700@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:58:09 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.4 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, openafs-devel@openafs.org, port-freebsd@openafs.org Subject: Re: VFS KPI was Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:58:13 -0000 Rick Macklem wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Scott Long wrote: > >> >> Both Solaris and OSX seem to have found the path out of the VFS locking >> woods, and it would indeed be really nice if FreeBSD could follow suit. > Yes, I didn't mention Solaris (because I've never looked at it), but > being able to easily port file system code from OpenSolaris sounds like > it might be a big win. ZFS is an obvious example, but there is also > stuff like pNFS in the pipe that would be nice. (I'm going to try and > get my nfsv4 code into FreeBSD, but it will only be nfsv4.0 and I have > no urge to do 4.1/pNFS.) And others mentioned that there is quite a bit > of momentum w.r.t. OpenAFS in Solaris. > > rick > It's not just about portability, though. I know that some will argue with me on this, but the current VFS API is prohibitively difficult to use properly if you're trying to write, port, or debug a filesystem. You have to worry about interactions between vnode locks, vnode interlocks, and mount locks even before you start locking your own filesystem-private structures. Vectors like VOP_RECLAIM are a delicate and unforgiving minefield. Gaining better portability would of course be a big win, but an even bigger win would be gaining the ability of mere mortal programmers to understand and get involved in filesystems in FreeBSD. Scott From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 17 19:52:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5875316A507; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.94.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F08C13C474; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rmacklem@uoguelph.ca) Received: from muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca (muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.91.102]) by ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m0HGZofS012317; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:35:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (rmacklem@localhost) by muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id m0HGcwT22995; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:38:58 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca: rmacklem owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:38:58 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Macklem X-X-Sender: rmacklem@muncher.cs.uoguelph.ca To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> Message-ID: References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> <20080116203521.K15541@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 131.104.94.206 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:02:03 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, port-freebsd@openafs.org, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, "Jason C. Wells" , openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: VFS KPI was Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:52:13 -0000 On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Robert Watson wrote: [good stuff snipped] > > Right now we maintain a relatively stable VM/VFS KPI withing a major release > (i.e, FreeBSD 6.0 -> 6.1 -> 6.2 -> 6.3), but see fairly significant changes > between major releases (5.x -> 6.x -> 7.x, etc). I expect to see further > changes in VFS for 8.x (and some of the locking-related ones have already > started going in). > This is loosely related to both the OpenAFS thread and the Mac OS X ZFS port thread, so I thought I'd ask... Has anyone considered trying to bring the FreeBSD VFS KPI (and others, for that matter) closed to the Darwin/Mac OS X ones? The Apple folks made quite dramatic changes to their VFS when going from Panther (very FreeBSD like) to Tiger, but seemed to have stabilized, at least for Leopard. It just seems that using the Mac OS X KPIs might leverage some work being done on both sides? (I don't know if there is an OpenAFS port to Mac OS X or interest in one, but I would think there would be a use for one, if it existed?) Although I'm far from an expert on the Mac OS X VFS (when I ported to it, I just cribbed the code and it worked:-), it seems that they pretty well got rid of the concept of a vnode-lock. If the underlying file system isn't SMP safe, it can put a lock on the subsystem at the VFS call. (I think it optionally does a global lock or a uses an smp lock in the vnode, but don't quote me on this. My code currently runs with the thread-safe flag false in the vfs_conf structure entry, which enables the automagic locking.) Just a thought, rick From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 21 05:39:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C403B16A419; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848FF13C467; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5099411FE6D8; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:23:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10045-08-5; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:23:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B8611FE6E6; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:18:01 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62EC3432A; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:18:00 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:16:55 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: jcw@highperformance.net Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:39:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As Robert has stated in the thread I started last week, he's willing to lend a hand with getting the kenrel module *as part of* the kernel, but what does it take to get it to that point? I just downloaded Jason's initial port attempt, but it is almost a year old: Has anyone looked at the work he's done so far? Ignoring the client side for now, Jason, what would it take to get your work to the point where Robert could inject it into the core FreeBSD system, as opposed to an 'add on'? What would be involved in getting 1.5.x working? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlCrH4QvfyHIvDvMRAvAwAKCvGdjKqm49lB4QINELVPwp8PXD/QCeLay/ Z6jMMFNho5MAgsRdrk2khpA= =DybN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 21 05:54:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D54416A46D; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FB513C467; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0L5s4dp068571; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:54:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <47943383.4010602@highperformance.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:54:11 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Marc G. Fournier" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:54:07 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > As Robert has stated in the thread I started last week, he's willing to lend a > hand with getting the kenrel module *as part of* the kernel, but what does it > take to get it to that point? > > I just downloaded Jason's initial port attempt, but it is almost a year old: > > w00t! I contributed! I contributed! > Has anyone looked at the work he's done so far? Ignoring the client side for > now, Jason, what would it take to get your work to the point where Robert could > inject it into the core FreeBSD system, as opposed to an 'add on'? What would > be involved in getting 1.5.x working? I really don't have much to add to that discussion. I am no expert. That my port compiled and fetched tokens was pure luck. Sorry I can't be of more help. If you need a large commercial airplane designed up, I can get that for you in a hot second. :) Regards, Jason From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 21 10:42:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73916A417 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6870913C45A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E151846DFA; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:42:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:05 -0000 On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > As Robert has stated in the thread I started last week, he's willing to lend > a hand with getting the kenrel module *as part of* the kernel, but what does > it take to get it to that point? > > I just downloaded Jason's initial port attempt, but it is almost a year old: > > > > Has anyone looked at the work he's done so far? Ignoring the client side > for now, Jason, what would it take to get your work to the point where > Robert could inject it into the core FreeBSD system, as opposed to an 'add > on'? What would be involved in getting 1.5.x working? I'm not sure there's a benefit to importing the OpenAFS server into the FreeBSD src tree, given that it's already well-maintained and fairly functional as a port. The main area of potential benefit is, in fact, the Arla client, which would then be able to track FreeBSD VFS changes, and offers a relatively static interface to the userland components that could continue to live in the port. After chatting with a few of the OpenAFS folks, the current concensus is that the OpenAFS client kernel parts are a lot more involved than the Arla ones, as much of the cache manager is implemented there, whereas with Arla it's just a user file system interface and so a lot less complex. So I think the short-term plan, if the Arla folks are willing and we can get a functional Arla module sync'd to 8-CURRENT, would be to get nnpfs into FreeBSD's src/sys. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 02:54:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C5E16A41B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D0113C448; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B9711FDD2F; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45114-05; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DEE11FDCD3; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7533497D; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:54:26 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:53:11 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:54:23 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Monday, January 21, 2008 10:42:04 +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > I'm not sure there's a benefit to importing the OpenAFS server into the > FreeBSD src tree, given that it's already well-maintained and fairly > functional as a port. The main area of potential benefit is, in fact, the > Arla client, which would then be able to track FreeBSD VFS changes, and > offers a relatively static interface to the userland components that could > continue to live in the port. > > After chatting with a few of the OpenAFS folks, the current concensus is that > the OpenAFS client kernel parts are a lot more involved than the Arla ones, > as much of the cache manager is implemented there, whereas with Arla it's > just a user file system interface and so a lot less complex. Not arguing against it, but if OpenAFS puts the cache manager in the client, and Arla doesn't have it ... what do we lose going with Arla vs OpenAFS? > So I think the short-term plan, if the Arla folks are willing and we can get > a functional Arla module sync'd to 8-CURRENT, would be to get nnpfs into > FreeBSD's src/sys. What about 6 and 7? Its going to be, what, a year+ before 8.0 is released ... seems a long time to send people looking for this sort of thing over to OpenSolaris or Linux :( Is this something we're going to either be able to get into 6/7, or get a port for this to those versions? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlVqX4QvfyHIvDvMRAlghAKC5YW2cFBkL+6UlKb5lB8CdfJVmKQCgiEU9 XXPanqdi6qtd6D/irTCto9M= =M58m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 08:27:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D292B16A421 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamromsay@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3413C4D3 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamromsay@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so2277852rvb.43 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=NckJwmzb+mNKTb0UJZ/nktIHw1/dJ0S8BK+kscKpXqs=; b=bte2aeG+UzSJU2AbWugITuenEzHbzl2qoCos9D5ja9avflgZDIj0TYL2X29v+pX1VcMwrZEvQlFtJZcglrPwN8bHcA6bu8wTUJyREaBErWJZHEiRYCLJfEzkWUowz5EgpRVADccmcnMg3iVeZyn74JHulM3oE2unKQQLqJXYQcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=BnYOcgJkMDRb4n/SGymn6QXlE/EfFdJjgaZk0vyS3FwnIEIZzZrqvPL6Ts1RLYBK8ozp2Bl6oaN+BmPbePBJjgHbluG88ucc7EkR727IQwawc8YY8gweECJI7gp8C53VW5bskd4MBcdAvpn/IPyaxGpMP+DylNCVkJ8aj4EPdz8= Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr5186838rvi.61.1200990431835; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.170.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:27:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e338f8f0801220027p50097adavd8a52fc4c0c6ff14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:27:11 +0200 From: "william romsay" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Hershey Felder, Wholesale Shopping For Musical Instruments X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:13 -0000 Hershey Felder, Wholesale Shopping For Musical Instruments Music and musical instruments are instrumental for anyone to get stimulated and refreshed leading to a contempt feeling. 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From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 09:26:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731CC16A41B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF9213C447 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF8D46DF5; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:26:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:26:26 -0000 On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> I'm not sure there's a benefit to importing the OpenAFS server into the >> FreeBSD src tree, given that it's already well-maintained and fairly >> functional as a port. The main area of potential benefit is, in fact, the >> Arla client, which would then be able to track FreeBSD VFS changes, and >> offers a relatively static interface to the userland components that could >> continue to live in the port. >> >> After chatting with a few of the OpenAFS folks, the current concensus is >> that the OpenAFS client kernel parts are a lot more involved than the Arla >> ones, as much of the cache manager is implemented there, whereas with Arla >> it's just a user file system interface and so a lot less complex. > > Not arguing against it, but if OpenAFS puts the cache manager in the client, > and Arla doesn't have it ... what do we lose going with Arla vs OpenAFS? Sorry, maybe I was unclear -- the Arla model, similar to Coda, is that you have a small kernel module that is basically a user file system service, and a complex user process that manages shipping objects around the distributed file system, then exposes them using the kernel module. This user process is referred to irregularly as the "cache manager" because its job is really to do all this Coda/AFS stuff and then plop the results down on the disk cache and hand them off to the kernel module, which will make them look like a file system hung off /coda or /afs. I'm not really familiar with OpenAFS, but my second-hand understanding is that a lot more of that cache management logic goes in the kernel module and much less into a user daemon (if any). So it's not that OpenAFS puts it in the client, it's that it puts it in the kernel. Among other things, this means that the Arla/Coda kernel modules are relatively static over time, since they offer a fairly fixed interface to the user daemon where the real work happens, but the OpenAFS module changes a lot. >> So I think the short-term plan, if the Arla folks are willing and we can >> get a functional Arla module sync'd to 8-CURRENT, would be to get nnpfs >> into FreeBSD's src/sys. > > What about 6 and 7? Its going to be, what, a year+ before 8.0 is released > ... seems a long time to send people looking for this sort of thing over to > OpenSolaris or Linux :( Is this something we're going to either be able to > get into 6/7, or get a port for this to those versions? Things go into HEAD first, and 7-STABLE looks a lot like HEAD right now so if it's updated for HEAD it will basically be updated for 7-STABLE. The sooner we get it into HEAD, the sooner it can go into 7-STABLE, and the more easily. But the key concern here is trying to stop the perpetual falling behind that nnpfs suffers from due to the pace of FreeBSD VFS development. The theory is that if we get it into HEAD, perhaps it will stop falling behind because, rather than becoming a maze of ifdefs and requiring lots of hacking to update to a multiple-year-old release, it gets updated as part of the great VFS rush and requires only minor tweaking when someone notices that something has gone wrong. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 10:51:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87A516A418; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from proxy2.bredband.net (proxy2.bredband.net [195.54.101.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5484D13C45A; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 47285ABF01B5155E; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:30:26 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArgeADtUlUdV4VYeRmdsb2JhbAAIkAgBAQE3m3k Received: from c-1e56e155.1521-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [10.0.1.3]) ([85.225.86.30]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2008 11:30:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:30:24 +0100 From: Palle Girgensohn To: Robert Watson , "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:51:22 -0000 This discussion is for the *client* part only, right? Is the server part userland-only and hence easier to port, or is it more complicated to get the server running on FreeBSD. The only server software out there in decent shape is OpenAFS, I guess? Milko (arla's companion), it seems, hasn't left alpha stage. So for a FreeBSD only setup, arla client and OpenAFS server is the most probable solution? Palle From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 22 11:21:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533AD16A469 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCCB13C458 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D048046C68; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:21:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Palle Girgensohn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:21:41 -0000 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > This discussion is for the *client* part only, right? > > Is the server part userland-only and hence easier to port, or is it more > complicated to get the server running on FreeBSD. The only server software > out there in decent shape is OpenAFS, I guess? Milko (arla's companion), it > seems, hasn't left alpha stage. My understanding, and I've not investigated this personally, is that the OpenAFS server works fine on FreeBSD as-is. > So for a FreeBSD only setup, arla client and OpenAFS server is the most > probable solution? It sounds like this should already work for FreeBSD 5.x and 6.x, but not yet for 7.x/8.x. The viewpoint I'm arguing is that by getting nnpfs in the base FreeBSD source tree (and I've talked with tol@arla about this in the past), we get the Arla client running more sustainably on FreeBSD such that people running the latest release have access to it, and also FreeBSD developers who run especially premature releases :-). Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 03:07:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E9A16A418; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4C313C455; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.191]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9497911FE6D8; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60834-02-3; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1E111FDF7B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C863446F; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:07:54 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:06:34 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <5A119F13D15018EE7361410B@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 09:26:19 +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > Things go into HEAD first, and 7-STABLE looks a lot like HEAD right now so if > it's updated for HEAD it will basically be updated for 7-STABLE. The sooner > we get it into HEAD, the sooner it can go into 7-STABLE, and the more easily. > But the key concern here is trying to stop the perpetual falling behind that > nnpfs suffers from due to the pace of FreeBSD VFS development. The theory is > that if we get it into HEAD, perhaps it will stop falling behind because, > rather than becoming a maze of ifdefs and requiring lots of hacking to update > to a multiple-year-old release, it gets updated as part of the great VFS rush > and requires only minor tweaking when someone notices that something has gone > wrong. Agreed, and thank you for this ... I have no problem with using a port for 6.x, since 6.x shouldn't be a moving target, once its working, it should be fine ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlq874QvfyHIvDvMRAi1TAJ9XUXWyNy+DFM6W+7YJmv25TYh38wCgyoQ5 gh241ZD5sSigHW+eDAb2OPI= =Ol32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 03:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E5816A418; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567C813C455; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.182]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BF211FDD1B; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:10 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89143-09; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5A211FDD30; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DBD35447; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:15 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:08:55 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Palle Girgensohn , Robert Watson Message-ID: <0C8C2EB538D5A4AA4E5A66D4@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:10:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Recommend checking out the arla mailing list (arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se) archives, where there have already been ports created for both openafs-server and arla that build fine on FreeBSD 6.x ... I haven't had a chance yet to do anything with it, beyond build, since there are so many docs to read ... my project for this coming weekend ... - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:30:24 +0100 Palle Girgensohn wrote: > This discussion is for the *client* part only, right? > > Is the server part userland-only and hence easier to port, or is it more > complicated to get the server running on FreeBSD. The only server software > out there in decent shape is OpenAFS, I guess? Milko (arla's companion), it > seems, hasn't left alpha stage. > > So for a FreeBSD only setup, arla client and OpenAFS server is the most > probable solution? > > Palle - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlq/H4QvfyHIvDvMRAgetAJsHJxgN4zOuZHcQD6rfUn0klgtYAQCg6E3z NPJ/KQiiJ1Qng6At39isoyg= =krMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 03:11:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563116A419; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F89D13C4DB; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.191]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D02011FDD31; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.191]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72279-05; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C12F11FDCD3; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:22 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF6E3456F; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:11:27 -0400 (AST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:10:08 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Robert Watson , Palle Girgensohn Message-ID: <80A9EDC64E39266B81D851AD@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:11:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:21:40 +0000 Robert Watson wrote: > The viewpoint I'm arguing is that by getting nnpfs in the base > FreeBSD source tree (and I've talked with tol@arla about this in the past) I haven't looked too deeply at Arla yet ... I take it its BSD licensed, so that we can incorporate it? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHlrAQ4QvfyHIvDvMRAsMZAKCwfIhUjwANkEO4TJvh9Cy+Eh6J5QCdHmeQ IqzaTfDchCfAyCpGeiwPwDM= =hmoD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 23 09:31:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229FC16A417; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E294913C4F0; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E00472A8; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:31:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: <80A9EDC64E39266B81D851AD@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <20080123092216.W42984@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080121103924.H73025@fledge.watson.org> <680043819D80C655D73D0DEB@ganymede.hub.org> <20080122091915.Q58270@fledge.watson.org> <20080122111839.O65035@fledge.watson.org> <80A9EDC64E39266B81D851AD@ganymede.hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, jcw@highperformance.net, Palle Girgensohn Subject: Re: AFS in FreeBSD ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:31:29 -0000 On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > - --On Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:21:40 +0000 Robert Watson > wrote: > >> The viewpoint I'm arguing is that by getting nnpfs in the base FreeBSD >> source tree (and I've talked with tol@arla about this in the past) > > I haven't looked too deeply at Arla yet ... I take it its BSD licensed, so > that we can incorporate it? Yes. In fact, pretty much everything associated with AFS is under a useful license. 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Katie @ girlpoweredinc.com www.girlpoweredinc.com ### From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 06:09:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7868B16A46C; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384AD13C474; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.182]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A4C11FDD38; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:50:56 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99336-07; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:50:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D2E11FDD33; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:46:14 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202F3378C3; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:46:14 -0400 (AST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:44:43 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: OpenAFS / Arla installation / configuration tutorial ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 06:09:32 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simple enough, does anyone have one written for FreeBSD? Someone posted on that is for NetBSD to the Arla list, but it references files / directories that don't match with FreeBSD ... so, if someone already has such, rather avoid re-creating the wheel ... If not, I'm going to try and work on a FreeBSD version of the NetBSD docs on the Wiki site ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHnBpL4QvfyHIvDvMRAubXAJ4tEfRylDDBVxO8fRiFq4x/1BZGBwCg5DC2 8xhM6S67fM4N+x9Er0zOd4k= =kD4C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 03:52:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A9B16A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:52:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F0313C461 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:52:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so399851anc.13 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:52:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wMVrQNjoJAZQ2gDeQPx5P1/5kjGtbjnuIXNFPfLeDkY=; b=ZvS+Rshv6bKqOMIaOK2wDUdIY74dha8aLOIwMKeLIXTNpk10xh9hsk2W9aktSbViKPnMCR6RxZAHpEHI3gbku347GXlYIrTdY6NtLP/CPAmemxvpj0e0DMl5z4EaC5qCl1WCQKtSn8HLRGC7re80WLq+S7HGMCVo5Rks1OIQ0Hs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FOcI4AlV1pi8s78/cbxc4gJzJuwSAMZ9w+5zDVB0PLh6sD/eN0MSY4dAv57I3iRQXxiOBKMkOZRI9Yq48SWdA+Jh1e9qamhBxY9gZL+YWGf9KQyIcxvG5B7OTDM5JJIdCuCURYYVFIb7GaFA8SLnG+scMD/B1DtZpr1iqd7eeSc= Received: by 10.100.232.13 with SMTP id e13mr8936078anh.21.1201922847844; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.215.17 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:27:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47d0403c0802011927g13a97fd4hb1a4fe52814a9e82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:27:27 -0500 From: "Ben Kaduk" To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, rwatson@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenAFS / Arla installation / configuration tutorial ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:52:23 -0000 On 1/27/08, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Simple enough, does anyone have one written for FreeBSD? Someone posted on > that is for NetBSD to the Arla list, but it references files / directories that > don't match with FreeBSD ... so, if someone already has such, rather avoid > re-creating the wheel ... > Sorry to reply so late; I'm quite a bit behind on my mail. I am under the impression that OpenAFS has not worked ``out-of-the-box'' on any FreeBSD release since 4.11 . I tried building it on a 7.0-PRERELEASE system recently, and once I got past the configure stage, it still complained about some lock types -- I haven't had a chance to look at it in detail, yet. -Ben Kaduk From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 06:23:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22F416A417 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle@moffetthome.net) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF6C13C4D1 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kyle@moffetthome.net) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so3123831pyb.10 for ; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:23:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.83.20 with SMTP id k20mr7496969pyl.7.1202104709219; Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.115.9 with HTTP; Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:58:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 00:58:29 -0500 From: "Kyle Moffett" To: "Jeffrey Hutzelman" In-Reply-To: <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:15:03 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, "Jason C. Wells" , port-freebsd@openafs.org, openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 06:23:37 -0000 On Jan 16, 2008 1:48 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > The "let's just slurp everything into the main distribution so we don't > have to worry about stable interfaces" approach is really poor. It > encourages bad engineering practice among people maintaining the main > distribution, discourages innovation and extension by others, and generally > doesn't scale. It's far better to either attempt to maintain stable > external interfaces to the VFS and VM subsystems, or else admit that you > don't have the resources to do so given the relatively small number of > external users, in which case you almost certainly also don't have the > resources to keep on top of updates to something like OpenAFS. The Linux Kernel presents a very strong counter-argument-by-example. The amount of patches merged per released version has been linearly increasing over the last several years; the 2.6.23 => 2.6.24 patch was 49MB uncompressed, with a 5.7MB changelog. Of that, a significant portion were VFS changes which touched most filesystems. The various filesystem-related changes alone between 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 were 2.9MB. For reference, the *entire* OpenAFS diff between 2.4.6 and 2.5.30 is all of 8.2MB. The Linux Kernel changes include partial support for having per-process views of a single filesystem (Specifically /proc, so /proc/net can have differing contents between network namespaces). Other features which Linux supports that virtually no other OS does is multiple filesystem namespaces, where the mount-tree is selectively independent or shared between namespaces. I realize that some people are probably already aware of most of that, but I thought it should be mentioned that "slurp everything into the main distribution" actually scales very well with respect to the Linux kernel. It means that the people who are making changes (to the VFS, for example) have to go around and fix *all* the filesystems, and in addition when a bug gets fixed in one filesystem then most of the others get checked for that same bug. OpenAFS also does not benchmark very well under Linux against most of the other networked filesystems (even ones using encryption), as it does not support the fine-grained locking that Linux does. Unfortunately it isn't practical for Linux to reuse existing OpenAFS code as the licenses are partially incompatible. > In the long run, I'm guessing that the OpenAFS cache manager evolves more > quickly than FreeBSD's VFS interface, which makes pulling the CM into the > kernel tree a losing battle. If you disagree, by all means fork that part > of AFS (or get someone else to do so) and see what happens (AFS's > user/kernel and RPC interfaces are both fairly stable, so forking just the > kernel parts should be mostly feasible). As it so happens this is exactly what is happening right now in the Linux Kernel. David Howells (original author of the Linux "keyring" subsystem) has been writing a generic userspace+kernelspace FS-Cache system which can use either a block device or a mounted filesystem as storage. It presently supports NFS and the minimal in-kernel AFS client and is planned to be mostly merged into 2.6.25. The benefits of being able to share innovations in caching between AFS, NFS, and other networked filesystems is quite significant. My apologies for anything in this email that may be construed as offensive; the intent is as an honest technical discussion of development methods and practices. Cheers, Kyle Moffett From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 16:12:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECDA16A421; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E08E13C45B; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 16:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m14FwiQg007718; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:58:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id m14Fwh3o007717; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:58:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:58:43 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: Kyle Moffett Message-ID: <20080204155842.GA7685@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <18CC5A4A2AC36D7FF57615EE@ganymede.hub.org> <478AF6BC.8050604@highperformance.net> <20080114142124.Y55696@fledge.watson.org> <876FB8E38251C27B14CCCA29@atlantis.pc.cs.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:11:23 +0000 Cc: rra@stanford.edu, rees@umich.edu, freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Robert Watson , matt@linuxbox.com, freebsd-afs@freebsd.org, "Jason C. Wells" , port-freebsd@openafs.org, openafs-devel@openafs.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Jeffrey Hutzelman Subject: Re: [OpenAFS-devel] Re: AFS ... or equivalent ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:12:18 -0000 On Mon, Feb 04, 2008 at 12:58:29AM -0500, Kyle Moffett wrote: > On Jan 16, 2008 1:48 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: > > The "let's just slurp everything into the main distribution so we don't > > have to worry about stable interfaces" approach is really poor. It > > encourages bad engineering practice among people maintaining the main > > distribution, discourages innovation and extension by others, and generally > > doesn't scale. It's far better to either attempt to maintain stable > > external interfaces to the VFS and VM subsystems, or else admit that you > > don't have the resources to do so given the relatively small number of > > external users, in which case you almost certainly also don't have the > > resources to keep on top of updates to something like OpenAFS. > > The Linux Kernel presents a very strong counter-argument-by-example. > The amount of patches merged per released version has been linearly > increasing over the last several years; the 2.6.23 => 2.6.24 patch was > 49MB uncompressed, with a 5.7MB changelog. Of that, a significant > portion were VFS changes which touched most filesystems. The various > filesystem-related changes alone between 2.6.23 and 2.6.24 were > 2.9MB. So, there are reasons why many of us prefer FreeBSD to Linux. ////jerry ........ For reference, the *entire* OpenAFS diff between 2.4.6 and > 2.5.30 is all of 8.2MB. The Linux Kernel changes include partial > support for having per-process views of a single filesystem > (Specifically /proc, so /proc/net can have differing contents between > network namespaces). Other features which Linux supports that > virtually no other OS does is multiple filesystem namespaces, where > the mount-tree is selectively independent or shared between > namespaces. > From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 8 09:41:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC3016A417 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamrockt@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E73113C447 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from williamrockt@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g13so2758380rvb.43 for ; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:41:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=yKOees4Z/CE4GOO4IgquHDbk5P+24bWtldwa8ZQZyng=; b=BTSm46DVVwUq9NiArnwDLf7oHCeNODgve8GMVGOrbzBLuIExeCFFnueavpKMYIrgmvJqEpU31Kxinfs7IjnZ7w3GUwD47t6+5sFEhKw5P7RQRtaDtJ+3D5GCQkOXLlWmJ4rjnrU8heFP5mdSyJ6HBC7LkktFvePIHv4wUJPJYpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fA1VXpUKZ/E7xbHhz/GolYdXdlt2pGv9E2z/Uo10IAk33XtoK93SBYbUqJXURslL94MAA/DsIHdUloUsMsU0WKGvZm/LN0lE1WyvQn/PKHXmekgeHeqeZaEDGXQIACF0va78gTf1iysYJGslM1LIwJobsSIK4lT/YWookRjtSmY= Received: by 10.141.20.7 with SMTP id x7mr8327259rvi.34.1202462047738; Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.86.17 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:14:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1ff813d0802080114g188d6f7dud247b381562d2ebb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:14:07 +0200 From: "william rockt" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: ON Networks Introduces ON Dating: A New Video Guide-to-Success for Online Courtship -- Internet Series, Produced by NBC Universal Digital Studios, O X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:41:21 -0000 ON Networks Introduces ON Dating: A New Video Guide-to-Success for Online Courtship -- Internet Series, Produced by NBC Universal Digital Studios, O http://www.faqinteractive.com/ 1-866-268-5588 AUSTIN, Texas (BusinessWire EON) June 13, 2007 -- The show functions as a virtual dating coach, dedicated to helping viewers navigate the sometimes treacherous terrain of online romance. 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From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 10 03:19:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1F516A41A for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:19:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9F513C458 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B9511FEEF6 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:19:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05927-08 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E85E11FEE43 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:19:56 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B869338A18 for ; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 23:20:01 -0400 (AST) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:17:26 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <07046A359F2F7D51F922C3E4@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Anyone setup an OpenAFS server ... ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:19:58 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So far, been drawing a blank on some sort of tutorial / quick start guide ... had someone send me one for NetBSD, but about halfway through it, I figured out that have the places it was telling me to put files didn't have an relation to the FreeBSD system :( Before I try and 'translate' those instructions to FreeBSD, is there something else already out there? Thank you ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHrmzG4QvfyHIvDvMRApFSAJwMTG+G5EAAyD5Vzbocil6Rpl3DSgCgygHd wA6CFf7Xp/i4ODyuh1duZvM= =dbKx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 01:23:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4599116A41A for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1624B13C4D9 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:23:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890D111FF913 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:06:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68183-03 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:06:16 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7C711FED00 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:06:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259E05C155 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:06:27 -0400 (AST) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:03:33 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Start of a FreeBSD Setup Guide for AFS (Server and Client) X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:23:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've been meaning to get this started for awhile now, but time never is what one would like it to be: endless. Is a *very* basic start ... right now, its just a pointer to Arla (client) and OpenAFS (server) ports for FreeBSD created by Alex Koss, and a link to some NetBSD specific setup instructions. I'm going to work on FreeBSD specific ones, using that as a base, that will be on the Wiki itself ... If anyone else does start working through the NetBSD instructions and wants to submit stuff, just email me and I'll gladly add it .. kerberos, at least, is something that I've *never* setup, so I'm starting from complete ground zero on this .. - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHtOTl4QvfyHIvDvMRAh9KAJ99t4tI2Ok3Kq94bD+z3IAxpcI17gCdFbyO jzWENbGNZu943G+hbfSPF/I= =6xcE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 15 22:34:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8E916A41B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E86013C455 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BB546BDC; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:34:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:34:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "Marc G. Fournier" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080215223317.H51625@fledge.watson.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Start of a FreeBSD Setup Guide for AFS (Server and Client) X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:34:13 -0000 On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > I've been meaning to get this started for awhile now, but time never is what > one would like it to be: endless. > > > > Is a *very* basic start ... right now, its just a pointer to Arla (client) > and OpenAFS (server) ports for FreeBSD created by Alex Koss, and a link to > some NetBSD specific setup instructions. I'm going to work on FreeBSD > specific ones, using that as a base, that will be on the Wiki itself ... > > If anyone else does start working through the NetBSD instructions and wants > to submit stuff, just email me and I'll gladly add it .. kerberos, at least, > is something that I've *never* setup, so I'm starting from complete ground > zero on this .. There used to be a decent chapter on setting up Kerberos in the FreeBSD Handbook, not sure if it's still there. At least if you're going to use Arla as the AFS client, you'll need to install the Heimdal port rather than use the native FreeBSD version as it's a bit newer. We should get the version of K5 in the base system upgraded though, not sure if we have a maintainer right now. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 16 04:30:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DBE16A419 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E32613C442 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B7246B37; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:12:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:12:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Message-ID: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="621616949-433016993-1203135147=:93919" Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:30:53 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --621616949-433016993-1203135147=:93919 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Dear Arla folk, I've spent the evening getting Arla (checked out of anoncvs) up and running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT, and have it at least minimally running (/afs mounted, some directory access, read a few files, etc), although arlad core dumped fairly quickly during use. I've not yet attempted to debug that problem though. I've attached a patch that does a few things: First, it does a few minor Arla cleanups that appear to be necessary to build on FreeBSD 8: A few general Arla ifdef fixes, etc, such as testing defined(SunOS) before using the value, likewise on __NetBSD_Version__, OpenBSD, etc. Fix two build dependency issues I ran into regarding building arlalib before dependent tools and an include that broke (at least on FreeBSD). Second, it adds new autoconf and ifdef parts to get Arla building on FreeBSD 8, such as handling VFS changes that appeared in FreeBSD 7.x and 8.x, the priv(9) kernel privilege framework, some include problems I ran into with using /usr/src/sys before /usr/include/sys (which doesn't work for generated files such as vnode_if.h), and things along those lines. Unfortunately, I'm not set up to easily build test on other platforms, and I've also not had a chance to try this on FreeBSD 7 -- my guess is some minor tweaks may be required with respect to both of those, but hopefully these are steps in the right direction and someone with a bit more Arla experience can sort out what I've done into things with keeping and things with fixing :-). I'll investigate the arlad crash tomorrow. Patch also up at: http://www.watson.org/~robert/freebsd/20080216-arla.diff Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge --621616949-433016993-1203135147=:93919 Content-Type: TEXT/x-diff; charset=US-ASCII; name=20080216-arla.diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: <20080216041227.P93919@fledge.watson.org> Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=20080216-arla.diff SW5kZXg6IE1ha2VmaWxlLmFtDQo9PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpS Q1MgZmlsZTogL3N0YWNrZW4tY3ZzL2FybGEvTWFrZWZpbGUuYW0sdg0KcmV0 cmlldmluZyByZXZpc2lvbiAxLjUNCmRpZmYgLXUgLXIxLjUgTWFrZWZpbGUu YW0NCi0tLSBNYWtlZmlsZS5hbQkyNSBKYW4gMjAwNyAxMToyMzowNSAtMDAw MAkxLjUNCisrKyBNYWtlZmlsZS5hbQkxNiBGZWIgMjAwOCAwMzo0OTo0OSAt MDAwMA0KQEAgLTE5LDYgKzE5LDcgQEANCiAJCWxpYi9idWZkaXIgXA0KIAkJ JChyeGthZCkgXA0KIAkJbm5wZnMgXA0KKwkJYXBwbC9saWIgXA0KIAkJYXJs YWQgXA0KIAkJY29uZiBcDQogCQlhcHBsIFwNCkluZGV4OiBjb25maWd1cmUu 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[127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xUGoWyTjgoUc; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:21:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.11.100.123] (c80-216-5-33.bredband.comhem.se [80.216.5.33]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BBF14CEA7; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:21:27 +0100 (CET) From: Rasmus Kaj To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:21:22 +0100 Message-Id: <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:47:59 -0000 lör 2008-02-16 klockan 04:12 +0000 skrev Robert Watson: Hi Robert and Arla folks! > I've spent the evening getting Arla (checked out of anoncvs) [...] Everyone who got Arla out of anoncvs, please update! The anoncvs repo has been out of sync since october 1, 2007. Now it is updated -- and updating itself when new commits happen -- again. Sorry for the inconvenience! -- Rasmus Kaj From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 18 01:29:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F6E16A418 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790EC13C442 for ; Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF9046B7E; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:29:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:29:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Rasmus Kaj In-Reply-To: <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> Message-ID: <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:29:35 -0000 On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, Rasmus Kaj wrote: >> I've spent the evening getting Arla (checked out of anoncvs) [...] > > Everyone who got Arla out of anoncvs, please update! > > The anoncvs repo has been out of sync since october 1, 2007. Now it is > updated -- and updating itself when new commits happen -- again. > > Sorry for the inconvenience! Indeed, all the missing changes from October through December are now there in anoncvs. Looks like the appl/lib build order fix I needed is already there, but most of the other changes haven't been bumped into by anyone else yet. I needed the one further attached change to correct a build problem resulting from the more recent work in CVS. With the updated parts, I now have Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT again. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge http://perforce.freebsd.org/chv.cgi?CH=135612 Change 135612 by rwatson@rwatson_cinnamon_coda on 2008/02/18 01:04:20 New build fix for NetBSDism in Arla. Affected files ... .. //depot/user/rwatson/arla/porting/nnpfs/bsd/nnpfs/nnpfs_locl.h#4 edit Differences ... ==== //depot/user/rwatson/arla/porting/nnpfs/bsd/nnpfs/nnpfs_locl.h#4 (text+ko) ==== @@ -118,7 +118,7 @@ #ifdef HAVE_SYS_ATTR_H #include #endif -#if __NetBSD_Version__ >= 399001900 /* 3.99.19 */ +#if defined(__NetBSD_Version__) && __NetBSD_Version__ >= 399001900 /* 3.99.19 */ #define HAVE_SYS_KAUTH_H #endif #ifdef HAVE_SYS_KAUTH_H From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 22 13:18:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AB516A400 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:18:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A772B13C45D for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:18:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 28517 invoked by uid 4250); 22 Feb 2008 06:52:07 -0600 Received: by hamlet.setfilepointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:52:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:52:07 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zbGR4y+acU1DwHSi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:18:50 -0000 --zbGR4y+acU1DwHSi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, I've been playing with your patches, etc. on 8-CURRENT. I've been having to tweak up include/config.h a little so I wonder if you missed a few autoconf things... but more important, running "ls /afs" results in: nnpfs: cdev: 0, syscall: 339 Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid =3D 0; apic id =3D 00 fault virtual address =3D 0x26c fault code =3D supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xc2a7f1fc stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xcd412a40 frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xcd412a5c code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 current process =3D 4822 (ls) [thread pid 4822 tid 100176 ] Stopped at nnpfs_getattr_common+0xc: movl 0x26c(%eax),%eax db> bt Tracing pid 4822 tid 100176 td 0xc2783440 nnpfs_getattr_common(c297b110,cd4= 12ab4,c24f1700,c2783440,cd412aa0,...) at nnpfs_getattr_common+0xc nnpfs_getattr(cd412aa0,0,c0b10208,cd412b48,cd412b28,...) at nnpfs_getattr+0= x33 VOP_GETATTR_APV(c2a854a0,cd412aa0,c0bd91a0,c297b110,cd412ab4,...) at VOP_GE= TATTR_APV+0xa5 vn_stat(c297b110,cd412b48,c24f1700,0,c2783440,...) at vn_stat+0x49 kern_stat(c2783440,8113138,0,cd412c18,c0c5d140,...) at kern_stat+0x81 stat(c2783440,cd412cfc,8,cd412d38,c0ba1e60,...) at stat+0x2f syscall(cd412d38) at syscall+0x2b3 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x20 --- syscall (188, FreeBSD ELF32, stat), eip =3D 0x281a3acb, esp =3D 0xbfbfe= 54c, ebp =3D 0xbfbfe5d8 --- db> If I'me reading this (and nnpfs_vnodeops_common.c) right, this is probably a NULL value for (xn or perhaps vap) in *vap =3D xn->attr; (line 765) Any thoughts? Or tips on what I can do to help? I don't have gdb ready to go yet---but I probably can this weekend. =20 --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --zbGR4y+acU1DwHSi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHvsV32s33paJBmA4RAhS+AKCGGVaX7yYCtgS45SLR82iNCtmsJgCfewW6 ekGKNp6v2Teut05Q/UVmgD0= =uCRo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zbGR4y+acU1DwHSi-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 22 13:50:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6416A405 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8DA7613C467 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 42973 invoked by uid 4250); 22 Feb 2008 07:50:50 -0600 Received: by hamlet.setfilepointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:50:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:50:50 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080222135050.GE38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="imjhCm/Pyz7Rq5F2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:50:52 -0000 --imjhCm/Pyz7Rq5F2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-22 06:52, wrote: > Robert, I've been playing with your patches, etc. on 8-CURRENT. [chop] I take it back... boldly adding printf all over says: vp->v_mount is null in the NNPFS_FROM_VNODE macro. Adding if (vp->v_mount) return EDOOFUS does: ls: /afs: Programming error Attempting to umount /afs then panics most likely for the same reason (v_mount is null): Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid =3D 0; apic id =3D 00 fault virtual address =3D 0x26c fault code =3D supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer =3D 0x20:0xc2a26dfc stack pointer =3D 0x28:0xcd49bb00 frame pointer =3D 0x28:0xcd49bb2c code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 current process =3D 5754 (umount) [thread pid 5754 tid 100206 ] Stopped at nnpfs_inactive_common+0xc: movl 0x26c(%eax),%eax db> bt Tracing pid 5754 tid 100206 td 0xc298e220 nnpfs_inactive_common(c2a58440,c298e220,cd49bb54,c0a68485,cd49bb6c,...) at nnpfs_inactive_common+0xc nnpfs_inactive(cd49bb6c,c2a584c8,c2a58440,c2a584c8,cd49bb84,...) at nnpfs_inactive+0x1e VOP_INACTIVE_APV(c2a2b4a0,cd49bb6c,c0afa47c,8fd,c0bd93e0,...) at VOP_INACTIVE_APV+0xa5 vinactive(c2a584c8,0,c0afa47c,86d,c253b880,...) at vinactive+0x91 vrele(c2a58440,c2a2ba70,0,c2a2800b,0,...) at vrele+0x18b nnpfs_free_all_nodes(c2a2b6e0,0,1,c2a58330,c2a2b6e0,...) at nnpfs_free_all_nodes+0xa5 nnpfs_unmount_common(c231329c,8000000,0,c298e220,cd49bc54,...) at nnpfs_unmount_common+0x4e nnpfs_unmount(c231329c,8000000,c298e220,4f0,4da,...) at nnpfs_unmount+0x49 dounmount(c231329c,8000000,c298e220,482,8,...) at dounmount+0x426 unmount(c298e220,cd49bcfc,8,3d90d,c0ba0ed0,...) at unmount+0x2e0 syscall(cd49bd38) at syscall+0x2b3 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x20 --- syscall (22, FreeBSD ELF32, unmount), eip =3D 0x280c62db, esp =3D 0xbfbfe4dc, ebp =3D 0xbfbfe598 --- db> --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --imjhCm/Pyz7Rq5F2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHvtM62s33paJBmA4RAlNPAJwOqsMhld3HDPHGaqQpXb8tZhy6hACfa3Rk BHMYeEKqk0KZw5332RlzI0c= =yRdD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --imjhCm/Pyz7Rq5F2-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 23 09:28:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB00216A400 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845A713C4D5 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D1A46B5C; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:28:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:28:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> Message-ID: <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:28:27 -0000 On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Alec Kloss wrote: > Robert, I've been playing with your patches, etc. on 8-CURRENT. I've been > having to tweak up include/config.h a little so I wonder if you missed a few > autoconf things... but more important, running "ls /afs" results in: This is a symptom of a failure to insmntque a vnode after creating it, a new requirement for vnodes in FreeBSD 7.x/8.x; previously, vnodes were automatically inserted on the mount vnode queue and had their mount pointer set up during getnewvnode(), but closing certain races motivated this change. The reason I know this is that I remember adding two calls to insmntque to nnpfs in my patches, so there are three possibilities: (1) I missed a call to getnewvnode, (2) the patches I posted didn't include that change, or (3) the patch didn't apply properly. I'll investigate this later today once I've given my FOSDEM talk; chances are it's an issue with the patch. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge > > nnpfs: cdev: 0, syscall: 339 > > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 > fault virtual address = 0x26c > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc2a7f1fc > stack pointer = 0x28:0xcd412a40 > frame pointer = 0x28:0xcd412a5c > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 4822 (ls) > [thread pid 4822 tid 100176 ] > Stopped at nnpfs_getattr_common+0xc: movl > 0x26c(%eax),%eax > db> bt > Tracing pid 4822 tid 100176 td 0xc2783440 nnpfs_getattr_common(c297b110,cd412ab4,c24f1700,c2783440,cd412aa0,...) at nnpfs_getattr_common+0xc > nnpfs_getattr(cd412aa0,0,c0b10208,cd412b48,cd412b28,...) at nnpfs_getattr+0x33 > VOP_GETATTR_APV(c2a854a0,cd412aa0,c0bd91a0,c297b110,cd412ab4,...) at VOP_GETATTR_APV+0xa5 > vn_stat(c297b110,cd412b48,c24f1700,0,c2783440,...) at vn_stat+0x49 > kern_stat(c2783440,8113138,0,cd412c18,c0c5d140,...) at kern_stat+0x81 > stat(c2783440,cd412cfc,8,cd412d38,c0ba1e60,...) at stat+0x2f > syscall(cd412d38) at syscall+0x2b3 > Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x20 > --- syscall (188, FreeBSD ELF32, stat), eip = 0x281a3acb, esp = 0xbfbfe54c, ebp = 0xbfbfe5d8 --- > db> > > If I'me reading this (and nnpfs_vnodeops_common.c) right, this is > probably a NULL value for (xn or perhaps vap) in > > *vap = xn->attr; > > (line 765) Any thoughts? Or tips on what I can do to help? I > don't have gdb ready to go yet---but I probably can this weekend. > > -- > Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com > PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA241980E > "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo > From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 23 10:56:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903F816A403 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EB3713C46A for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:56:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 50553 invoked by uid 4250); 23 Feb 2008 04:29:25 -0600 Received: by hamlet.setfilepointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:29:25 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:29:22 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="l+goss899txtYvYf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:56:12 -0000 --l+goss899txtYvYf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-23 09:28, Robert Watson wrote: > This is a symptom of a failure to insmntque a vnode after creating it, a= =20 > new requirement for vnodes in FreeBSD 7.x/8.x; previously, vnodes were=20 > automatically inserted on the mount vnode queue and had their mount point= er=20 > set up during getnewvnode(), but closing certain races motivated this=20 > change. The reason I know this is that I remember adding two calls to=20 > insmntque to nnpfs in my patches, so there are three possibilities: (1) I= =20 > missed a call to getnewvnode, (2) the patches I posted didn't include tha= t=20 > change, or (3) the patch didn't apply properly. I'll investigate this=20 > later today once I've given my FOSDEM talk; chances are it's an issue wit= h=20 > the patch. Check. The issue is with configure, etc. include/config.h doesn't have #define HAVE_KERNEL_INSMNTQUE 1=20 in it. I'll add it to my list of configure-related issues. Recompiling now... --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --l+goss899txtYvYf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHv/WC2s33paJBmA4RArvhAJ9srfAdjwn2/ITjYMFeqnmXR9YgJwCfTruj B8fJV7rO33eRp3QfX6xIDSo= =BoEH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --l+goss899txtYvYf-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 23 11:05:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CB316A400 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C1F913C43E for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 59718 invoked by uid 4250); 23 Feb 2008 05:05:49 -0600 Received: by hamlet.setfilepointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:05:49 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:05:49 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lHGcFxmlz1yfXmOs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:05:50 -0000 --lHGcFxmlz1yfXmOs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-23 04:29, Alec wrote: >=20 > #define HAVE_KERNEL_INSMNTQUE 1=20 >=20 > in it. I'll add it to my list of configure-related issues. > Recompiling now... >=20 oldothello% uname -a FreeBSD oldothello.setfilepointer.com 8.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: W= ed Feb 20 13:45:22 CST 2008 root@oldothello.setfilepointer.com:/usr/local/o= bj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 oldothello% ls /afs andrew.cmu.edu grand.central.org openafs.org athena.mit.edu hallf.kth.se research.company.com cern.ch isk.kth.se rose-hulman.edu deek.org it.kth.se setfilepointer.com dementia.org md.kth.se stacken.kth.se dev.mit.edu mech.kth.se e.kth.se mekinok.com oldothello% Neat! Heimdal gets tokens correctly, access to private directories works. I'm running the arla test suite now; I'm up to hardlink3 with no problems. I did notice that, when umounting /afs, I get a lock order reversal: lock order reversal: 1st 0xc231329c vfslock (vfslock) @ /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_mount.c:1242 2nd 0xc2dabaf8 syncer (syncer) @ /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c:2156 KDB: stack backtrace: db_trace_self_wrapper(c0af1b78,cd4b3b2c,c07a1a6e,c0af3fc2,c2dabaf8,...) at = db_trace_self_wrapper+0x26 kdb_backtrace(c0af3fc2,c2dabaf8,c0afad01,c0afad01,c0afa47c,...) at kdb_back= trace+0x29 witness_checkorder(c2dabaf8,9,c0afa47c,86c,c0c16cb4,...) at witness_checkor= der+0x6de _lockmgr(c2dabaf8,2002,c2dabb28,c0afa47c,86c,...) at _lockmgr+0x43c vop_stdlock(cd4b3bc4,c0afa47c,c07a1338,2002,c2dabaa0,...) at vop_stdlock+0x= 39 VOP_LOCK1_APV(c0bb0980,cd4b3bc4,84f,cd4b3be4,c2dabb28,...) at VOP_LOCK1_APV= +0xa5 _vn_lock(c2dabaa0,2002,c0afa47c,86c,0,...) at _vn_lock+0xf2 vrele(c2dabaa0,0,c0af9de1,4f0,4da,...) at vrele+0x142 dounmount(c231329c,8000000,c356b000,482,8,...) at dounmount+0x372 unmount(c356b000,cd4b3cfc,8,cd4b3d38,c0ba0ed0,...) at unmount+0x2e0 syscall(cd4b3d38) at syscall+0x2b3 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x20 --- syscall (22, FreeBSD ELF32, unmount), eip =3D 0x280c62db, esp =3D 0xbfbfe4ec, ebp =3D 0xbfbfe5a8 --- I see a few other lock order reversals on -CURRENT right now anyway, so I'm not sure if it's cause for concern or even caused by arla. I'm going to move on to trying everything on 7.x. I know there are autoconf/etc. things that need to be fixed. Do you want me to work on that or are you likely to have it done already. =20 I do have a tweaked version of your patch---as I recall it contains just one typo fix---at http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080218-arla.diff There's also the snapshot of the sources I used: http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/arla-20080118.tar.bz2 Assuming I get things working on 7.x, I'll update the port I built later today. :) --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --lHGcFxmlz1yfXmOs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHv/4N2s33paJBmA4RAi6LAJ9YEJqJTVrsniYHJSXqobrc74FNmgCfeMEK Z70j7rSLRbPpLavjfbKV4KA= =RDi8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lHGcFxmlz1yfXmOs-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 23 16:12:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9677016A405 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1101B13C469 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 36651 invoked by uid 4250); 23 Feb 2008 10:12:50 -0600 Received: by hamlet.setfilepointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:12:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:12:49 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFBW6CQlri5Qm8JQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:12:51 -0000 --nFBW6CQlri5Qm8JQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the chatter... arla makes me excited. :) I've gotten Robert's patches compiled and running under -CURRENT, RELENG_7, and RELENG_6. A FreeBSD port and FreeBSD packages are available at http://setfilepointer.com/pub/afs/FreeBSD/ All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at=20 http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff This was generated by taking a current snapshot from arla's CVS, applying Robert's original patch, and then adding a handful of=20 fixes of my own. The jist of my changes are autoconf corrections, and one test for NNPFS_DEBUG_PRIV which is undefined on -CURRENT. There's a general autoconf problem running around that a few tests require -Werror to work correctly some can't have -Werror to work correctly. =20 I've run the "-all -fast" tests which don't cause any major issues on RELENG_7 and -CURRENT, but I do seem to be able to panic 6.x with those tests. More testers and feedback would be appreciated. Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating these patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes in Arla itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. And, can anyone comment on need for the arla port to include 0.43,=20 which works on FreeBSD 5.x? Robert, thanks so much for your time. I owe you (at least) a beer. =20 --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --nFBW6CQlri5Qm8JQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHwEYB2s33paJBmA4RAhsjAJ4xmU6Zes3/ZS6Mt+91RpmD6dU5cQCeO2H8 mVtEmPjt8JtmNGYMLKGKrKw= =mCSW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFBW6CQlri5Qm8JQ-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 23 16:21:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857BC16A408 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD8D13C461 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970C346B60; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:21:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:21:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> Message-ID: <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:21:19 -0000 On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Alec Kloss wrote: > All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff > > This was generated by taking a current snapshot from arla's CVS, applying > Robert's original patch, and then adding a handful of fixes of my own. The > jist of my changes are autoconf corrections, and one test for > NNPFS_DEBUG_PRIV which is undefined on -CURRENT. There's a general autoconf > problem running around that a few tests require -Werror to work correctly > some can't have -Werror to work correctly. Sounds great, although PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG should be defined on the most recent -CURRENT; I added it last week, so if you're running a slightly older -CURRENT, that could be why. I believe I also MFC'd to RELENG_7 but it won't make FreeBSD 7.0. > I've run the "-all -fast" tests which don't cause any major issues on > RELENG_7 and -CURRENT, but I do seem to be able to panic 6.x with those > tests. More testers and feedback would be appreciated. > > Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating these patches > into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes in Arla itself prior > to submitting the port to FreeBSD. > > And, can anyone comment on need for the arla port to include 0.43, which > works on FreeBSD 5.x? > > Robert, thanks so much for your time. I owe you (at least) a beer. No problem at all -- this is something I've been meaning to do for years, and I'm very pleased all the pieces are coming together :-). Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 23 17:57:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0365016A400 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA8813C442 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E2E15589F; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:33:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ZldwKMuMhZHx; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:33:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.101.199] (c213-89-101-199.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.101.199]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id B354D1557E6; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:33:02 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:33:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Rasmus Kaj , Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:57:38 -0000 On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 10:12 -0600, Alec Kloss wrote: > All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff [...] > Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating > these patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes > in Arla itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. > Chances are good. If it looks ok it goes in. > Robert, thanks so much for your time. I owe you (at least) a beer. Methinks you're worth one too. Thanks for the great work! /t From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 24 22:56:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F3816A405; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-2.sys.kth.se (smtp-2.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5D413C46E; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D977014DC99; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:55:43 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-2.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-2.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id fEPxUEDAja86; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:55:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.103.79] (c213-89-103-79.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.103.79]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B10814DC95; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:55:40 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:58:30 +0100 Message-Id: <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:56:16 -0000 I wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 10:12 -0600, Alec Kloss wrote: > > All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at > > > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff > [...] > > Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating > > these patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes > > in Arla itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. > > > Chances are good. If it looks ok it goes in. > Looks mostly ok, but I do have some questions. 1) appl/fs/fs_local.h: would that break `fs nnpfsdeb all`? 2) cf/try-compile-kernel.m4: why do we need /usr/include? It sounds scary given that we may want to compile using random kernel trees. Same goes for nnpfs/freebsd/FreeBSD-Makefile. I don't know much about kernel build magic. 3) cf/bsd-vop-unlock.m4: do we need it? I don't care about older versions of FreeBSD than 6.x; traditionally we try to support latest stable OS-release plus -CURRENT but maybe that's a bit limiting. Perphaps nnpfs_vfs_unlock solves part of the problem? thanks /t From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 24 23:43:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC7716A400 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9891513C45A for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:43:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 479F27B700867B83; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:22:48 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwPAOeKwUdV4VYePGdsb2JhbAAIh3mIUAEBAQE2mHGBFw Received: from c-1e56e155.1521-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [10.0.1.3]) ([85.225.86.30]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2008 00:22:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:22:47 +0100 From: Palle Girgensohn To: Robert Watson , Alec Kloss Message-ID: <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> In-Reply-To: <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Rasmus Kaj , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:43:42 -0000 I'm delighted to see all this chatter about arla. Any chance we can get a server working as well? I reckon that should, in principle, be easier, since it is not as much kernel involvement, right? But the best bet is OpenAFS, and it is different animal, so the KTH guys are not as deep into this code? /Palle And hi, Rasmus! :-) From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 00:17:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EAB16A406 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08F8113C47E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 79166 invoked by uid 4250); 24 Feb 2008 18:17:18 -0600 Received: by hamlet.SetFilePointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:17:18 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:17:17 -0600 To: Palle Girgensohn Message-ID: <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, Rasmus Kaj , Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:19 -0000 --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-25 00:22, Palle Girgensohn wrote: > I'm delighted to see all this chatter about arla. Any chance we can get a= =20 > server working as well? I reckon that should, in principle, be easier,=20 > since it is not as much kernel involvement, right? But the best bet is=20 > OpenAFS, and it is different animal, so the KTH guys are not as deep into= =20 > this code? >=20 > /Palle >=20 > And hi, Rasmus! :-) >=20 >=20 Oh, the OpenAFS server has worked on FreeBSD forever, and I run two cells with multiple terabytes of data on FreeBSD only. The OpenAFS param files tend to be out of date but I'm planning on getting on top of that too. There's a port of OpenAFS 1.5.30 I put together available right next to the arla stuff here: http://setfilepointer.com/pub/afs/FreeBSD/ I tend to install the server everywhere I install arla because the vos and bos commands in arla in incomplete compared to their implementation in openafs. I suppose I should nag someone at OpenAFS to include the new param files I made for newer FreeBSDs (not that the new param files are particularly inspired). It'd be great if a few people would comment on this port and then I guess I'll create a PR to get it included in the ports tree at the same time as arla. Sound good? Also, who's writing the FreeBSD wiki? I'm embarrased to tell people to go look at the gentoo documentation for AFS. :) --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHwgkN2s33paJBmA4RAs1UAJ4uxwpk8hCnDBwmxKSo3vWQrq6jrwCeL1Pu lRFyBffiQeHtb1ddLiB3GQc= =l360 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 07:09:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D0916A405; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@chem.leidenuniv.nl) Received: from fwncism4.wks.gorlaeus.net (fwncisf3.leidenuniv.nl [132.229.170.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E6C13C4CE; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@chem.leidenuniv.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.gorlaeus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA39C284CE; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from fwncism4.wks.gorlaeus.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fwncism4.wks.gorlaeus.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i3r7-m-cgKY1; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from fwnc6122-wks-gorlaeus-net.local (unknown [132.229.173.252]) by fwncism4.wks.gorlaeus.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56514284C3; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:45 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47C265BF.5070500@chem.leidenuniv.nl> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:52:47 +0100 From: Hugo Meiland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alec Kloss References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> In-Reply-To: <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-virus-scanned: by Gorlaeus.net Scanner Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Palle Girgensohn , Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:09:33 -0000 > > Also, who's writing the FreeBSD wiki? I'm embarrased to tell > people to go look at the gentoo documentation for AFS. :) > > I tried to create afs pages on the wiki twice; but was denied each time.... any change of opening an account to get me writing?? Hugo From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 19:59:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8BE16A409; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8612713C44B; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58D646B37; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:59:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:59:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Hugo Meiland In-Reply-To: <47C265BF.5070500@chem.leidenuniv.nl> Message-ID: <20080225195910.K46736@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> <47C265BF.5070500@chem.leidenuniv.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, Palle Girgensohn , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:59:46 -0000 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Hugo Meiland wrote: >> Also, who's writing the FreeBSD wiki? I'm embarrased to tell people to go >> look at the gentoo documentation for AFS. :) > > I tried to create afs pages on the wiki twice; but was denied each time.... > any change of opening an account to get me writing?? Getting you set up shouldn't be a problem at all -- could you e-mail me your wiki.FreeBSD.org username and I'll add you to ContributorsGroup. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 20:19:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B0616A473; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-2.sys.kth.se (smtp-2.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D802213C448; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:19:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290E14DCCB; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:08 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-2.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-2.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id bOUyEsghYG4J; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.106.189] (c213-89-106-189.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.106.189]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D7B14DC36; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:05 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:23:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1203971022.4063.7.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Palle Girgensohn , Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:19:46 -0000 On Sun, 2008-02-24 at 18:17 -0600, Alec Kloss wrote: > I tend to install the server everywhere I install arla because the > vos and bos commands in arla in incomplete compared to their > implementation in openafs. Of course, one solution would be to nag and/or code until they get good enough in arla... Getting another vos subcommand or two to work shouldn't be all that much work. And we all love to complete skeleton patches, don't we :) /t From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 21:19:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9608216A400 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2CC13C46A for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91B846B5C; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:19:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Tomas Olsson In-Reply-To: <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Message-ID: <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:19:25 -0000 On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Tomas Olsson wrote: > I wrote: >> On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 10:12 -0600, Alec Kloss wrote: >>> All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at >>> >>> http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff >> [...] >>> Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating these >>> patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes in Arla >>> itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. >>> >> Chances are good. If it looks ok it goes in. >> > Looks mostly ok, but I do have some questions. > > 1) appl/fs/fs_local.h: would that break `fs nnpfsdeb all`? > > 2) cf/try-compile-kernel.m4: why do we need /usr/include? It sounds scary > given that we may want to compile using random kernel trees. Same goes for > nnpfs/freebsd/FreeBSD-Makefile. I don't know much about kernel build magic. > > 3) cf/bsd-vop-unlock.m4: do we need it? I don't care about older versions of > FreeBSD than 6.x; traditionally we try to support latest stable OS-release > plus -CURRENT but maybe that's a bit limiting. Perphaps nnpfs_vfs_unlock > solves part of the problem? Just back from FOSDEM, and am 3-4 days behind on e-mail, so will need to investigate (1) and (2) in a day or two. If I've done (1) correctly then, in practice, it shouldn't change things at all, except that on FreeBSD 7.x and higher, it will use the priv(9) interface to check for privilege rather than suser(9). While there are plans for further privilege semantic changes, the interface change so far is actually a syntactic change -- the policy remains the same, but information about the check is managed differently, hence the change to the interface. This is a precursor to more fine-grained privileges in the kernel. With respect to (2), I need to look at the details, but I believe this has to do with the fact that nnpfs is relying on generated files that may not be present in a kernel source tree. The more right fix may be to force generation of the files (if we can) in the nnpfs build, as we already do for vnode_if.h, but I'll have to look in more detail. With respect to (3) -- that has to do with support for 8-CURRENT, not pre-6.x. It looks like the VFS folks are in the middle of dropping unnecessary thread arguments from various locking interfaces in VFS, including lock/unlock/assert/etc (these will now all be curthread implicitly). I just saw a couple more such changes trickle in today, so I'll probably have some more patches, sadly. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 22:15:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979D216A407 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 373C813C44B for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 11201 invoked by uid 4250); 25 Feb 2008 16:15:33 -0600 Received: by hamlet.SetFilePointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:15:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:15:33 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080225221533.GH28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Tomas Olsson Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:15:34 -0000 --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First off, I've got a few hours to work on this tomorrow night, so if we could decide on an approach (and Robert can help me with the heavy lifting) before then, that'd be super. =20 On 2008-02-25 21:19, Robert Watson wrote: > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Tomas Olsson wrote: >=20 > >Looks mostly ok, but I do have some questions. > > > >1) appl/fs/fs_local.h: would that break `fs nnpfsdeb all`? > > > >2) cf/try-compile-kernel.m4: why do we need /usr/include? It sounds scar= y=20 > >given that we may want to compile using random kernel trees. Same goes f= or=20 > >nnpfs/freebsd/FreeBSD-Makefile. I don't know much about kernel build mag= ic. > > > >3) cf/bsd-vop-unlock.m4: do we need it? I don't care about older version= s=20 > >of FreeBSD than 6.x; traditionally we try to support latest stable=20 > >OS-release plus -CURRENT but maybe that's a bit limiting. Perphaps=20 > >nnpfs_vfs_unlock solves part of the problem? >=20 > Just back from FOSDEM, and am 3-4 days behind on e-mail, so will need to= =20 > investigate (1) and (2) in a day or two. >=20 > If I've done (1) correctly then, in practice, it shouldn't change things = at=20 > all, except that on FreeBSD 7.x and higher, it will use the priv(9)=20 > interface to check for privilege rather than suser(9). While there are= =20 > plans for further privilege semantic changes, the interface change so far= =20 > is actually a syntactic change -- the policy remains the same, but=20 > information about the check is managed differently, hence the change to t= he=20 > interface. This is a precursor to more fine-grained privileges in the=20 > kernel. I can shed a little light. It's definitely broken now as fs nnpfsdeb almost-all has no effect. I added the check for PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG in nnpfs_common-bsd.c: +#elif defined(HAVE_KERNEL_PRIV_CHECK) && defined(PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG) because on my -current box PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG isn't defined. I thought it might be an OpenBSD-ism. Regardless, I would think it *should* fall back to checking with suser() but apparently it doesn't. I can investigate a bit more, but removing nnpfs_deb.h must have broader impact than we though. Robert, any thoughts about what PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG should be? > With respect to (2), I need to look at the details, but I believe this ha= s=20 > to do with the fact that nnpfs is relying on generated files that may not= =20 > be present in a kernel source tree. The more right fix may be to force= =20 > generation of the files (if we can) in the nnpfs build, as we already do= =20 > for vnode_if.h, but I'll have to look in more detail. I think this is correct too. Things like machine/endian.h aren't in the kernel tree. I should be able to autoconf this for just FreeBSD if that's how we want to approach this. If you want to have configure generate these headers like vnode_if.h, I'll probably need a few hints, but I'll do what I can. > With respect to (3) -- that has to do with support for 8-CURRENT, not=20 > pre-6.x. It looks like the VFS folks are in the middle of dropping=20 > unnecessary thread arguments from various locking interfaces in VFS,=20 > including lock/unlock/assert/etc (these will now all be curthread=20 > implicitly). I just saw a couple more such changes trickle in today, so= =20 > I'll probably have some more patches, sadly. And I added the cf check... I found HAVE_THREE_ARGUMENT_VOP_UNLOCK was undefined in ./nnpfs/bsd/nnpfs_vnodeops-common.c and figured it's smarter to just add the check than assume something about VOP_UNLOCK from the VOP_LOCK macros. =20 --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHwz4F2s33paJBmA4RAnEBAJ0UBK7+mSNNb2JhNqM0SQlSiYx0dwCePdWr muiPFvbVf5tqALxh/VqI9oY= =IW+D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 25 22:22:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F16A16A402 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7682F13C45E for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6B546B16; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:22:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:22:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <20080225221533.GH28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> Message-ID: <20080225221920.A46736@fledge.watson.org> References: <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> <20080225221533.GH28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Tomas Olsson Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:22:26 -0000 On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Alec Kloss wrote: > I can shed a little light. It's definitely broken now as fs nnpfsdeb > almost-all has no effect. I added the check for PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG in > nnpfs_common-bsd.c: > > +#elif defined(HAVE_KERNEL_PRIV_CHECK) && defined(PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG) > > because on my -current box PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG isn't defined. I thought it > might be an OpenBSD-ism. Regardless, I would think it *should* fall back to > checking with suser() but apparently it doesn't. I can investigate a bit > more, but removing nnpfs_deb.h must have broader impact than we though. > Robert, any thoughts about what PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG should be? PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG is a definition that will appear in FreeBSD 7.1, but 7.0 was already in final freeze when I added it to 8.x + 7.x. The reason I didn't have a specific check for PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG is that I adapted nnpfs for 8.x, but not 7.0. If priv(9) is present but not PRIV_NNPFS_DEBUG, we should use PRIV_ROOT for now. >> With respect to (2), I need to look at the details, but I believe this has >> to do with the fact that nnpfs is relying on generated files that may not >> be present in a kernel source tree. The more right fix may be to force >> generation of the files (if we can) in the nnpfs build, as we already do >> for vnode_if.h, but I'll have to look in more detail. > > I think this is correct too. Things like machine/endian.h aren't in the > kernel tree. I should be able to autoconf this for just FreeBSD if that's > how we want to approach this. If you want to have configure generate these > headers like vnode_if.h, I'll probably need a few hints, but I'll do what I > can. Indeed, it was machine/endian.h that did it. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 01:21:07 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE46616A403; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8212F13C447; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:21:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girgen@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 479F27B7008C66D1; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:05 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAMX4wkdV4VYePGdsb2JhbAAIkEwBAQEBNpsbgRY Received: from c-1e56e155.1521-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [10.0.1.3]) ([85.225.86.30]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2008 02:21:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:21:03 +0100 From: Palle Girgensohn To: Alec Kloss Message-ID: <20C9FA49CAF5C2B89F267B11@girgBook.local> In-Reply-To: <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Robert Watson , Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:21:07 -0000 --On s=F6ndag, s=F6 24 feb 2008 18.17.17 -0600 Alec Kloss=20 wrote: > On 2008-02-25 00:22, Palle Girgensohn wrote: >> I'm delighted to see all this chatter about arla. Any chance we can get >> a server working as well? I reckon that should, in principle, be >> easier, since it is not as much kernel involvement, right? But the best >> bet is OpenAFS, and it is different animal, so the KTH guys are not as >> deep into this code? >> >> /Palle >> >> And hi, Rasmus! :-) >> >> > > Oh, the OpenAFS server has worked on FreeBSD forever, and I run two > cells with multiple terabytes of data on FreeBSD only. The OpenAFS > param files tend to be out of date but I'm planning on getting > on top of that too. There's a port of OpenAFS 1.5.30 I put together > available right next to the arla stuff here: > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/afs/FreeBSD/ I'll be darned. I'll need to find some time to check it out, I guess! > I tend to install the server everywhere I install arla because the > vos and bos commands in arla in incomplete compared to their > implementation in openafs. I suppose I should nag someone at > OpenAFS to include the new param files I made for newer FreeBSDs > (not that the new param files are particularly inspired). It'd be > great if a few people would comment on this port and then I guess > I'll create a PR to get it included in the ports tree at the same > time as arla. > > Sound good? Cool. Very cool :-) Did you get i working on amd64 as well? Cc me on the PR and you'll get a fast lane into the ports tree. ;-) /Palle From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 01:56:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7D616A401 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC3913C459 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B90A1200740; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:41:39 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18051-01; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:41:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77E31200739; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:41:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01234FA0; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:41:43 -0400 (AST) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:38:02 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Alec Kloss , Robert Watson Message-ID: <90334B40754BEDC2991E0147@ganymede.hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Rasmus Kaj , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:56:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Can we commit these patches to ports itself, maybe with the make file setup so 6.x is marked BROKEN while dealing with the problems there? Might get more testers involved ... ? - --On Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:12:49 -0600 Alec Kloss wrote: > Sorry for the chatter... arla makes me excited. :) > > I've gotten Robert's patches compiled and running under -CURRENT, > RELENG_7, and RELENG_6. A FreeBSD port and FreeBSD packages are > available at > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/afs/FreeBSD/ > > All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff > > This was generated by taking a current snapshot from arla's CVS, > applying Robert's original patch, and then adding a handful of > fixes of my own. The jist of my changes are autoconf corrections, > and one test for NNPFS_DEBUG_PRIV which is undefined on -CURRENT. > There's a general autoconf problem running around that a few tests > require -Werror to work correctly some can't have -Werror to work > correctly. > > I've run the "-all -fast" tests which don't cause any major issues > on RELENG_7 and -CURRENT, but I do seem to be able to panic 6.x > with those tests. More testers and feedback would be appreciated. > > Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating > these patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes > in Arla itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. > > And, can anyone comment on need for the arla port to include 0.43, > which works on FreeBSD 5.x? > > Robert, thanks so much for your time. I owe you (at least) a beer. > > -- > Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com > PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA241980E > "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHw2164QvfyHIvDvMRAv9bAJ9vhlUnwGfl/rlfJDOMxDv1Gj0ChACg1HN1 ne4+JXXgSFA2npCFrQQwuJI= =DM+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 04:28:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E125616A401; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp7.server.rpi.edu (smtp7.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B2F13C467; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp7.server.rpi.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m1Q3N6B3013788; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:23:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <90334B40754BEDC2991E0147@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <90334B40754BEDC2991E0147@ganymede.hub.org> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:23:05 -0500 To: "Marc G. Fournier" , Alec Kloss , Robert Watson From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam scanning disabled X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.227 Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se, Rasmus Kaj Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:28:09 -0000 At 9:38 PM -0400 2/25/08, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Can we commit these patches to ports itself, maybe with the make >file setup so 6.x is marked BROKEN while dealing with the problems >there? Might get more testers involved ... ? Or create a new port, "arla8", or "arla-dev". -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosehn@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 06:11:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C9716A504 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4841513C729 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-arla.4d43de@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 21511 invoked by uid 4250); 26 Feb 2008 00:11:40 -0600 Received: by hamlet.SetFilePointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:11:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:11:40 -0600 To: Garance A Drosehn Message-ID: <20080226061140.GI28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <90334B40754BEDC2991E0147@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4LwthZj+AV2mq5CX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: Rasmus Kaj , "Marc G. Fournier" , Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:11:41 -0000 --4LwthZj+AV2mq5CX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-25 22:23, Garance A Drosehn wrote: > At 9:38 PM -0400 2/25/08, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >Can we commit these patches to ports itself, maybe with the make > >file setup so 6.x is marked BROKEN while dealing with the problems > >there? Might get more testers involved ... ? >=20 > Or create a new port, "arla8", or "arla-dev". To the best of my knowledge, the port I made (http;//setfilepointer.com/pub/afs/FreeBSD) works for 6.3, 7.0 and -current, except maybe for changes in the last few days in -current which may have broken the port. If there's sufficient interest, I'll add 5.x support (via arla 0.43) to the port as well, but I was hoping to avoid that, as it's a lot of overhead and arla's newish block-by-block cache (thanks Thomas) which isn't available in arla 0.43 makes arla highly competitive with the OpenAFS client available elsewhere. =20 As for getting the port into the ports tree, I think everyone's all for it, but Thomas is volunteering to help merge our patch into the arla sources which I'd prefer over maintaining a jumbo patch like what we have now. I'm optimistic that we can probably have everything ready by/after the weekend. =20 So, please do test the port, and whine at me and/or Robert about issues with it. I'm trying to shelter him from the details as long as he shelters me from VFS. :) --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --4LwthZj+AV2mq5CX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHw62c2s33paJBmA4RAl1KAKCB+QmaqcbnMZE1hPcUbIQ/3BCRIgCeNVh6 ifzP0uFdFVArIIWaskIHvWY= =YyHJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4LwthZj+AV2mq5CX-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 06:40:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADFB16A407; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:40:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC44213C457; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59552155BC0; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:40:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id CSA-Hxka6jhT; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:40:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.106.189] (c213-89-106-189.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.106.189]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82012155BBB; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:40:14 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:40:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1204008010.4017.6.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 06:40:50 -0000 On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 21:19 +0000, Robert Watson wrote: > On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Tomas Olsson wrote: > > 1) appl/fs/fs_local.h: would that break `fs nnpfsdeb all`? > > [...] > If I've done (1) correctly then, in practice, it shouldn't change things at > all, except that on FreeBSD 7.x and higher, it will use the priv(9) interface > to check for privilege rather than suser(9). While there are plans for > further privilege semantic changes, the interface change so far is actually a > syntactic change -- the policy remains the same, but information about the > check is managed differently, hence the change to the interface. This is a > precursor to more fine-grained privileges in the kernel. > Actually, I was thinking of the userland side; I do hope fs_local.h isn't included in the kernel things. fs_nnpfsdebug.c seems to rely on HAVE_XDEBDEV etc, but perhaps that should be changed anyway. /t From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 21:42:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242801065670; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBBB13C461; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:42:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4B3155BDF; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:42:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vDQgV4kmPftv; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:42:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.106.189] (c213-89-106-189.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.106.189]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5C4155D76; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:42:13 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20080225221920.A46736@fledge.watson.org> References: <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1203893910.4068.14.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <20080225211424.U46736@fledge.watson.org> <20080225221533.GH28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> <20080225221920.A46736@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:43:24 +0100 Message-Id: <1204062204.4007.7.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 21:42:49 -0000 On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 22:22 +0000, Robert Watson wrote: > On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, Alec Kloss wrote: > > I think this is correct too. Things like machine/endian.h aren't in the > > kernel tree. I should be able to autoconf this for just FreeBSD if that's > > how we want to approach this. If you want to have configure generate these > > headers like vnode_if.h, I'll probably need a few hints, but I'll do what I > > can. > > Indeed, it was machine/endian.h that did it. > What do we need it for? /t From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 22:29:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699711065688; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E40513C509; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56036155BDF; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:29:10 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-1.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-1.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id J0iSresD2D2I; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:29:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.106.189] (c213-89-106-189.bredband.comhem.se [213.89.106.189]) by smtp-1.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDBB1557E2; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:29:02 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Alec Kloss In-Reply-To: <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:30:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1204065013.4007.17.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:29:41 -0000 On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 18:33 +0100, I wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 10:12 -0600, Alec Kloss wrote: > > All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at > > > > http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff > [...] > > Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating > > these patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes > > in Arla itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. > > > Chances are good. If it looks ok it goes in. Ok, most of it is in. Still missing is fs_local.h and the include path things, until I can figure out what I want. Feel free to help me :) thanks /t (ought to set up some test boxes) From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 22:38:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594B1106567C; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@chem.leidenuniv.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (smtp.ipv6.xs4all.nl [IPv6:2001:888:0:15::25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF32513C46E; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:38:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hugo@chem.leidenuniv.nl) Received: from hugo-meilands-computer-3.local (a213-84-138-84.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.138.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr16.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m1QMcNNk034253; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:38:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hugo@chem.leidenuniv.nl) Message-ID: <47C494D6.7040203@chem.leidenuniv.nl> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:38:14 +0100 From: Hugo Meiland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alec Kloss References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161816.K45981@fledge.watson.org> <14E75315C9B1A23F5ACFFD46@girgBook.local> <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> In-Reply-To: <20080225001717.GA28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:38:27 -0000 > Also, who's writing the FreeBSD wiki? I'm embarrased to tell > people to go look at the gentoo documentation for AFS. :) > > First draft is at http://wiki.freebsd.org/afs , includes small intro and howto for alec's port on FreeBSD-7.0-RC3.... still needs a link from the frontpage though.... Hugo Meiland From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 26 23:47:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62111065679 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-dated-1204500068.19bc63@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 436FA13C4F4 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-dated-1204500068.19bc63@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 63499 invoked by uid 4250); 26 Feb 2008 17:21:08 -0600 Received: by hamlet.SetFilePointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:21:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:21:08 -0600 To: Tomas Olsson Message-ID: <20080226232108.GL28956@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1204065013.4007.17.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="O8/n5iBOhiUtMkxf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1204065013.4007.17.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@FreeBSD.org, Robert Watson , arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:47:50 -0000 --O8/n5iBOhiUtMkxf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-26 23:30, Tomas Olsson wrote: > Ok, most of it is in. Still missing is fs_local.h and the include path > things, until I can figure out what I want. Feel free to help me :) >=20 > thanks K. Tonight's not looking so good anymore for arla time :(. Thursday=20 night should work though. =20 --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --O8/n5iBOhiUtMkxf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHxJ7j2s33paJBmA4RAvDGAJoCGxgWfGUikSM8Lqq4Z8xmi5pSzACbBI1k RH0eQjsc8IIv74RRmgWPd6o= =hjt/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --O8/n5iBOhiUtMkxf-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 27 00:16:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FE6106566C for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C178813C4FB for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:15:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD7846B42; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 19:15:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:15:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Tomas Olsson In-Reply-To: <1204065013.4007.17.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Message-ID: <20080227001442.M19847@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1204065013.4007.17.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:16:00 -0000 On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Tomas Olsson wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 18:33 +0100, I wrote: >> On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 10:12 -0600, Alec Kloss wrote: >>> All of the heavy lifting is done in the big patch at >>> >>> http://setfilepointer.com/pub/arla/20080223-arla.diff >> [...] >>> Can anyone from Arla comment on the chances for incorporating these >>> patches into Arla itself? It'd be nice to have these changes in Arla >>> itself prior to submitting the port to FreeBSD. >>> >> Chances are good. If it looks ok it goes in. > > Ok, most of it is in. Still missing is fs_local.h and the include path > things, until I can figure out what I want. Feel free to help me :) The fs_local.h change was to address this: Making all in fs gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../include -I../../include -I/usr/local/include -I./../../include -I/usr/local/include -I./../.. -I./../lib -I../../include -I/usr/local/include -I../../rxdef -I. -I./../../nnpfs/include -I./../../arlad -I./../../rxkad -I/usr/local/include -DINET6 -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -c -o fs-fs.o `test -f 'fs.c' || echo './'`fs.c In file included from fs.c:34: fs_local.h:46:29: error: nnpfs/nnpfs_deb.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 The underlying problem is presumably an include path issue, but since nnpfs_deb.h wasn't required anyway by fs.c, removing the include seemed the simplest solution and didn't appear to cause any other problems. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 27 22:34:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63871065676; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from smtp-2.sys.kth.se (smtp-2.sys.kth.se [130.237.32.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AA48FC2F; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tol@stacken.kth.se) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E674814DDAC; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:33:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at kth.se Received: from smtp-2.sys.kth.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-2.sys.kth.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 4Xk1eDpdHMbY; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:33:35 +0100 (CET) Received: from [213.89.100.0] (unknown [213.89.100.0]) by smtp-2.sys.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7AA14C228; Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:33:34 +0100 (CET) From: Tomas Olsson To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: <20080227001442.M19847@fledge.watson.org> References: <20080216035658.W93919@fledge.watson.org> <1203286882.16414.3.camel@heterodyne.kaj> <20080218012608.V96329@fledge.watson.org> <20080222125207.GD38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223092516.O23969@fledge.watson.org> <20080223102922.GF38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223110549.GG38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <20080223161249.GH38141@hamlet.setfilepointer.com> <1203788012.4065.10.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <1204065013.4007.17.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> <20080227001442.M19847@fledge.watson.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:36:47 +0100 Message-Id: <1204151807.4068.8.camel@hippo.t.nxs.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alec Kloss , afs@FreeBSD.org, arla-drinkers@stacken.kth.se Subject: Re: Patches to get Arla running on FreeBSD 8-CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:34:09 -0000 On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 00:15 +0000, Robert Watson wrote: > The fs_local.h change was to address this: > > Making all in fs > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../include -I../../include -I/usr/local/include > -I./../../include -I/usr/local/include -I./../.. -I./../lib > -I../../include -I/usr/local/include -I../../rxdef -I. > -I./../../nnpfs/include -I./../../arlad -I./../../rxkad > -I/usr/local/include -DINET6 -g -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith > -Wmissing-declarations -Wnested-externs -c -o fs-fs.o `test -f 'fs.c' || echo > './'`fs.c Hm. What happened to $(KERNEL_INCLUDE)? > The underlying problem is presumably an include path issue, but since > nnpfs_deb.h wasn't required anyway by fs.c, removing the include seemed the > simplest solution and didn't appear to cause any other problems. I may be wrong here, but to me it looks like 'fs nnpfsdebug all' etc will always send a zero mask to kernel with the proposed patch. I tend to use that command... thanks /t From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 29 04:17:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE4E106567A for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38D108FC1B for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 9414 invoked by uid 4250); 28 Feb 2008 22:17:07 -0600 Received: by hamlet.SetFilePointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:17:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:17:06 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080229041706.GA67238@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080227115148.W61020@fledge.watson.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080227115148.W61020@fledge.watson.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@freebsd.org, Tomas Olsson Subject: Re: PERFORCE change 136345 for review (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:17:08 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-02-27 11:54, Robert Watson wrote: >=20 > Tomas, >=20 > Following a CVS update from the Arla anoncvs, I needed the attached patch= =20 > to build on FreeBSD. I still have the following further local changes in= =20 > my tree still: >=20 > - Remove nnpfs_deb.h include from fs_local.h. >=20 > - Add /usr/include to various paths so that machine/whatever.h includes > properly. >=20 > - #ifdef NNPFS_DEBUG around local variables in nnpfs_lk_info to avoid unu= sed > variables warning/error. I've been playing with this some tonight. My current thought about dealing with the "machine/whatever.h" includes is to copy the pertinent headers out of the kernel sources (via $SYS) at the same time configure generates vnode_if.h. Any thoughts about that approach? It's kinda unfortunate that these headers aren't inside a machine/ directory in /sys; then we could -I these directly from=20 /sys. Does anyone have any idea how this used to work? I haven't loked at the NNPFS_DEBUG related issues yet, but I will. =20 --=20 Alec Kloss alec@SetFilePointer.com IM: angryspamhater@yahoo.com PGP key at http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xA241980E "No Bunny!" -- Simon, from Frisky Dingo --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHx4dC2s33paJBmA4RAtqiAJ4zubzpHxbr4fitPQlkDFAuDtsXpACeLwrf 7r5RDCByn7/WG4DQBYlQkrs= =RD4B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-afs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 29 05:02:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: afs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ADDC1065677 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:02:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: from hamlet.setfilepointer.com (hamlet.SetFilePointer.com [63.224.10.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 788D38FC23 for ; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:02:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alec-keyword-freebsd.org.a6e2e4@SetFilePointer.com) Received: (qmail 19889 invoked by uid 4250); 28 Feb 2008 23:02:21 -0600 Received: by hamlet.SetFilePointer.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 4250); Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:21 -0600 To: Robert Watson Message-ID: <20080229050221.GB67238@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> References: <20080227115148.W61020@fledge.watson.org> <20080229041706.GA67238@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080229041706.GA67238@hamlet.SetFilePointer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: Alec Kloss X-Primary-Address: alec@SetFilePointer.com Cc: afs@freebsd.org, Tomas Olsson Subject: Re: PERFORCE change 136345 for review (fwd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-afs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: The Andrew File System and FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: ,