From sdavtaker at gmail.com Wed Jun 4 17:38:24 2008 From: sdavtaker at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Sd=C3=A4vtaker?=) Date: Wed Jun 4 17:38:29 2008 Subject: Call for speakers in Buenos Aires Message-ID: Hey, I'm from the BUG in University of Buenos Aires and we trying to find someone who wants to give a talk about PF. It will be in the context of the ECI08. The date will be between the july 24 and july 31 . It will be a short talk, about 30-45 minutes. If you know someone around here who can help, we really appreaciate to get in contact. Thanks Damian Vicino From scrappy at hub.org Thu Jun 5 05:52:28 2008 From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu Jun 5 11:16:02 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, with a break down as follows: PC-BSD 14 715 hosts FreeBSD 6 331 hosts DesktopBSD 2 662 hosts NetBSD 108 hosts MirBSD 68 hosts OpenBSD 59 hosts DragonFly 27 hosts MidnightBSD 22 hosts GNU/kFreeBSD 6 hosts We currently have hosts being reported in from 121 countries, with the top 10 being: United States 5 639 Russian Federation 1 653 Germany 1 489 Australia 1 314 Brazil 1 242 Japan 1 004 France 823 United Kingdom 822 Ukraine 790 Canada 747 Project URL: http://www.bsdstats.org Project Objective: "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers for advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems." PC-BSD, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one that defaults to enabled, while the rest have to be enabled manually. For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats to set things up. If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the report script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, is being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is required, and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are 100% optional ... For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread the word, we need more ... Thanks to the folks at PC-BSD, we have a new PHP programmer that will be working with Antony Mawer towards cleaning up / finishing some of the outstanding areas of the web site, so expect to see some improvements in statistics reporting over the next few weeks. If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhHeiAACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvN9RACcCcuRMnTeEhOz4XlJMcVRBm7U X1cAoOGk6ZvG3ab5DVpjKeIEokSEwlYY =cC+C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From odhiambo at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 13:59:36 2008 From: odhiambo at gmail.com (Odhiambo Washington) Date: Thu Jun 5 14:14:50 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, with a > break down as follows: > > PC-BSD 14 715 hosts > FreeBSD 6 331 hosts > DesktopBSD 2 662 hosts > NetBSD 108 hosts > MirBSD 68 hosts > OpenBSD 59 hosts > DragonFly 27 hosts > MidnightBSD 22 hosts > GNU/kFreeBSD 6 hosts > I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's something that I am always curious about, since I don't know who the other participants (6 more now) are:-) Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD that there are FreeBSD? For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to be submitted. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post From scrappy at hub.org Thu Jun 5 20:33:31 2008 From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu Jun 5 21:25:09 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <27207735E0A6FB4DCBFBBE25@ganymede.hub.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD > that there are FreeBSD? > For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to > be submitted. That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues with the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly notice up ... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out about it ... Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhITOwACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvO/yACg7Ph15XYty0J1tP+jXNs4Fzp3 CFwAoI/AgvbWotWJAUZJZ23aAhiyK993 =9QMv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gnemmi at gmail.com Thu Jun 5 22:52:10 2008 From: gnemmi at gmail.com (Gonzalo Nemmi) Date: Thu Jun 5 22:52:15 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <27207735E0A6FB4DCBFBBE25@ganymede.hub.org> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <27207735E0A6FB4DCBFBBE25@ganymede.hub.org> Message-ID: <200806051952.04929.gnemmi@gmail.com> On Thursday 05 June 2008 17:30:36 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington > > wrote: > > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. > > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable > > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD > > that there are FreeBSD? > > For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to > > be submitted. > > That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues > with the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly > notice up ... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out > about it ... > > Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so > although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool > ... I'm one of those that just found out ! Will install bsdstats now =D Any tips on how to configure will be a welcome addition since there seems to be no manpage on bsdstats :( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bsdstats&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.0-RELEASE&format=html Thanks! -- Blessings Gonzalo Nemmi From ac at belngo.info Thu Jun 5 23:12:56 2008 From: ac at belngo.info (Alaksiej C) Date: Thu Jun 5 23:12:59 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall. Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it. On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, > with a > > break down as follows: > > > > PC-BSD 14 715 hosts > > FreeBSD 6 331 hosts > > DesktopBSD 2 662 hosts > > NetBSD 108 hosts > > MirBSD 68 hosts > > OpenBSD 59 hosts > > DragonFly 27 hosts > > MidnightBSD 22 hosts > > GNU/kFreeBSD 6 hosts > > > > I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the > number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's > something that I am always curious about, since I don't know who the > other participants (6 more now) are:-) > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD > that there are FreeBSD? > For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to > be submitted. > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > > "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" > --from a /. post > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > " > From murray at stokely.org Thu Jun 5 23:14:18 2008 From: murray at stokely.org (Murray Stokely) Date: Thu Jun 5 23:14:26 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a7894eb0806051614q366b4373sd8088829a0631592@mail.gmail.com> Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists next time rather than one massive cross-post? On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD > that there are FreeBSD? Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =) I would expect that Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what is represented there. These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of installed instances of these operating systems. Anyone interested in this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this functionality in the installer of the various operating systems - Murray From murray at stokely.org Thu Jun 5 23:19:42 2008 From: murray at stokely.org (Murray Stokely) Date: Thu Jun 5 23:19:46 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> Yea it's probably worth doing, but that would still only reach a small fraction of the installed instances of FreeBSD, so what will that number really give you? The number of people using sysinstall that choose to participate in this program? Somewhat interesting I guess, but that number is very different from the number of computers running FreeBSD. Any large installation will image drives or perform their own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors to know how many machines they are running. The bsdstats website does not make this very clear and is I think misleading and possibly harmful to the effort it is trying to champion. - Murray On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Alaksiej C wrote: > I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall. > Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of > bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it. > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > >> > >> > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, >> with a >> > break down as follows: >> > >> > PC-BSD 14 715 hosts >> > FreeBSD 6 331 hosts >> > DesktopBSD 2 662 hosts >> > NetBSD 108 hosts >> > MirBSD 68 hosts >> > OpenBSD 59 hosts >> > DragonFly 27 hosts >> > MidnightBSD 22 hosts >> > GNU/kFreeBSD 6 hosts >> > >> >> I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the >> number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's >> something that I am always curious about, since I don't know who the >> other participants (6 more now) are:-) >> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. >> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable >> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD >> that there are FreeBSD? >> For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to >> be submitted. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> >> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" >> --from a /. post >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From ac at belngo.info Fri Jun 6 00:02:51 2008 From: ac at belngo.info (Alaksiej C) Date: Fri Jun 6 00:02:55 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5709ce310806051702i7539e6a7wf103e37012ff9d23@mail.gmail.com> IMHO, you are partly right. In regard of FreeBSD at all, right now, those numbers are misleading (it's not possible to use it for any research) and unimpressive (it's not possible to use it for PR). Yet, for the guys from PC-BSD team it is already useful. Their users quantity reflected by bsdstats should be almost correct. And it has some potential. If bsdstats will become more usual and numbers will grow, than *probably* it would be enough for some advertising, at least in the following form: Accordingly to bsdstats number of FreeBSD users has grown by 12%, blah-blah... And (let's dream :) ) some social thing could be incorporated in it, like voluntary registration in a global db, so you would be able to be connected by/connect to ppl, who runs FreeBSD in your location. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Murray Stokely wrote: > Yea it's probably worth doing, but that would still only reach a small > fraction of the installed instances of FreeBSD, so what will that > number really give you? The number of people using sysinstall that > choose to participate in this program? Somewhat interesting I guess, > but that number is very different from the number of computers running > FreeBSD. Any large installation will image drives or perform their > own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors > to know how many machines they are running. > > The bsdstats website does not make this very clear and is I think > misleading and possibly harmful to the effort it is trying to > champion. > > - Murray > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Alaksiej C wrote: > > I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall. > > Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of > > bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it. > > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington > > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier > wrote: > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > Hash: SHA1 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, > >> with a > >> > break down as follows: > >> > > >> > PC-BSD 14 715 hosts > >> > FreeBSD 6 331 hosts > >> > DesktopBSD 2 662 hosts > >> > NetBSD 108 hosts > >> > MirBSD 68 hosts > >> > OpenBSD 59 hosts > >> > DragonFly 27 hosts > >> > MidnightBSD 22 hosts > >> > GNU/kFreeBSD 6 hosts > >> > > >> > >> I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the > >> number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's > >> something that I am always curious about, since I don't know who the > >> other participants (6 more now) are:-) > >> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. > >> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable > >> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD > >> that there are FreeBSD? > >> For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to > >> be submitted. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Best regards, > >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > >> Nairobi,KE > >> +254733744121/+254722743223 > >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > >> > >> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" > >> --from a /. post > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org > >> " > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From gnemmi at gmail.com Fri Jun 6 01:23:52 2008 From: gnemmi at gmail.com (Gonzalo Nemmi) Date: Fri Jun 6 01:23:56 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <5709ce310806051702i7539e6a7wf103e37012ff9d23@mail.gmail.com> References: <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> <5709ce310806051702i7539e6a7wf103e37012ff9d23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806052223.45483.gnemmi@gmail.com> On Thursday 05 June 2008 21:02:48 Alaksiej C wrote: > And (let's dream :) ) some social thing could be incorporated in it, like > voluntary registration in a global db, so you would be able to be connected > by/connect to ppl, who runs FreeBSD in your location. One of the coolest ideas I've heard in a long time ... -- Blessings Gonzalo Nemmi From scrappy at hub.org Fri Jun 6 01:48:31 2008 From: scrappy at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Fri Jun 6 01:48:35 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <369601C8A6F0F076F96FF9BB@ganymede.hub.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:19:40 -0700 Murray Stokely wrote: > Any large installation will image drives or perform their > own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors > to know how many machines they are running. But, there is nothing on the site (or in the database, for that matter), that links a host (or set of) to any specific domain, IP or company ... netcraft does this, we don't ... so there is no way fo rsomeone to know *what*, or how many, a competitor was running ... this was as key design requirement put forth by oodles of security conscious admin on these lists when the project first started ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhIlr8ACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNysQCdGC/QlbytX7vipTSKZVWj9273 8BgAn0J9w9sbGiGtsLoiWP7WBjgIRH3S =gal1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dan at langille.org Fri Jun 6 03:05:27 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Fri Jun 6 03:05:32 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9EE9300C-B3D1-4C7F-9C06-A79D5C4796EE@langille.org> On Jun 5, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Alaksiej C wrote: > I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in > sysinstall. > Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and > installation of > bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware > of it. I'm sure patches would be gratefully accepted. Go for it. You just volunteered. -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ From jhs at berklix.org Fri Jun 6 07:15:33 2008 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Fri Jun 6 07:15:38 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: Your message "Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:19:40 PDT." <2a7894eb0806051619s68d3b592m30207d5158546ec1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200806060656.m566u1VL077970@fire.js.berklix.net> > FreeBSD. Any large installation will image drives or perform their > own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors > to know how many machines they are running. Some companies wont want their competitors, &/or suppliers/ clients to even know What OS's they run, let alone how many. Some government departments too (whose `competitors' could include foreign governments, terrorists, thieves, & civil liberties groups etc). I installed on 1 of 3 public servers, but not on firewalls or internals. Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. From zafer at aydogan.de Fri Jun 6 07:48:38 2008 From: zafer at aydogan.de (Zafer Aydogan) Date: Fri Jun 6 07:48:44 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <2a7894eb0806051614q366b4373sd8088829a0631592@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <2a7894eb0806051614q366b4373sd8088829a0631592@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <274190120806060020t4b445a6fw7d70a6b4a3ae7249@mail.gmail.com> 2008/6/6, Murray Stokely : > Hi Marc, can you please post these individually to different lists > next time rather than one massive cross-post? > > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. > > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable > > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD > > that there are FreeBSD? > > > Yes I should think that is pretty obvious. =) I would expect that > Yahoo! alone has ~2 orders of magnitude more FreeBSD servers than what > is represented there. > > These numbers have basically no correlation with the number of > installed instances of these operating systems. Anyone interested in > this effort should submit patches to optionally install/enable this > functionality in the installer of the various operating systems > > > - Murray > Why is this info crossposted on so much lists ? That's really annoying, beside the fact that the data is useless. Cheers, Zafer. From freebsd at hub.org Sun Jun 8 13:44:38 2008 From: freebsd at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Sun Jun 8 13:44:42 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <200806060656.m566u1VL077970@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <200806060656.m566u1VL077970@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: <4DF855049318358D1FDDD3C9@ganymede.hub.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Friday, June 06, 2008 08:56:01 +0200 Julian Stacey wrote: >> FreeBSD. Any large installation will image drives or perform their >> own custom installation and may very well not want their competitors >> to know how many machines they are running. > > Some companies wont want their competitors, &/or suppliers/ > clients to even know What OS's they run, let alone how many. > > Some government departments too (whose `competitors' could include > foreign governments, terrorists, thieves, & civil liberties groups etc). Again, there is nothing on the site, or in the database, that links the host to any specific organization, or even IP ... month to month reporting is based on two generated 'keys' that are stored on the remote host, and passed to the reporting server, not the hostname/IP ... This is *very* anonymous, for exactly the reasons you state above ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhL4AkACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNTrQCePqoZ+v8VbAOsaBWoGsVFCDUy eCMAoN1ppPDHpX3lVzGS7UniJ44zMZsT =ovjT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From freebsd at hub.org Sun Jun 8 13:49:38 2008 From: freebsd at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Sun Jun 8 13:49:45 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <200806051952.04929.gnemmi@gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <27207735E0A6FB4DCBFBBE25@ganymede.hub.org> <200806051952.04929.gnemmi@gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Under FreeBSD, it prompts you during the install process itself ... - --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 19:52:04 -0300 Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: > On Thursday 05 June 2008 17:30:36 Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> --On Thursday, June 05, 2008 16:31:30 +0300 Odhiambo Washington >> >> wrote: >> > Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. >> > I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable >> > the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD >> > that there are FreeBSD? >> > For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to >> > be submitted. >> >> That is why we're working on both improving the site itself (fixing issues >> with the sub-release areas), as well as trying to a more regular monthly >> notice up ... I find a jump in stats each time I do so as more ppl find out >> about it ... >> >> Report I did a few months back shows only 85 Countries reporting in, so >> although its just one host here and there, adding 40 new countries is cool >> ... > > I'm one of those that just found out ! > Will install bsdstats now =D > Any tips on how to configure will be a welcome addition since there seems to > be no manpage on bsdstats :( > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bsdstats&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath > =FreeBSD+7.0-RELEASE&format=html > > Thanks! > -- > Blessings > Gonzalo Nemmi > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhL3vcACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvPrnQCbB2PjfqSZJozoAnNlKdvU2/Ac 0boAn0Lc3OWqVqG4SVMYfBrq5x/FgKu2 =plVQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From freebsd at hub.org Sun Jun 8 13:49:39 2008 From: freebsd at hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Sun Jun 8 13:49:45 2008 Subject: BSDstats: May Statistics - 23 998 Hosts Reported In In-Reply-To: <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <991123400806050631s689fa9adp7ec073ea48025595@mail.gmail.com> <5709ce310806051612k56f5f88ao2bd7c33a0ca1b2e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F4265A22FC4131876565F81@ganymede.hub.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Over the past year, there have been a few that had talked about submitting a patch for this, but time is always an issue ... I've never looked into sysinstall itself, so wouldn't even know where to start ... anyone? - --On Friday, June 06, 2008 02:12:54 +0300 Alaksiej C wrote: > I think it would be nice to have "Enable bsdstats" option in sysinstall. > Usually, an admin has enough trouble to care about, and installation of > bsdstats is out of checklist. And personal users are rarely aware of it. > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Odhiambo Washington > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > >> > >> > As of June 5th, 2008, the project is seeing 23 998 hosts reporting in, >> with a >> > break down as follows: >> > >> > PC-BSD 14 715 hosts >> > FreeBSD 6 331 hosts >> > DesktopBSD 2 662 hosts >> > NetBSD 108 hosts >> > MirBSD 68 hosts >> > OpenBSD 59 hosts >> > DragonFly 27 hosts >> > MidnightBSD 22 hosts >> > GNU/kFreeBSD 6 hosts >> > >> >> I run a couple of servers in KE and I always do check to see if the >> number grows. Since I run most of those that report the stats, it's >> something that I am always curious about, since I don't know who the >> other participants (6 more now) are:-) >> Anyway, I am surprised at how fast PC-BSD is picking up. >> I know that during installation, it prompts the installer to enable >> the submission of stats. Could this explain why there are more PC-BSD >> that there are FreeBSD? >> For FreeBSD, the owner must know about the stats and configure them to >> be submitted. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254733744121/+254722743223 >> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> >> "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" >> --from a /. post >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org >> " >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkhL3zEACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvPtqACg0EtWbVIqAXEO0upEACOPFgPl A6AAnir1UKdTUVmY638yUEO+8DJHT13M =75VK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From toomany at toomany.net Thu Jun 12 13:39:28 2008 From: toomany at toomany.net (TooMany Secrets) Date: Thu Jun 12 13:39:30 2008 Subject: Only for your eyes. Message-ID: For my a great and pleasure surprise: http://www.verio.com/freebsd/?utm_source=NetShelter&utm_medium=HowtoForge.comRunofSiteRectangle&utm_campaign=FreeBSD -- Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets ============================ Dijo Confucio: "Ex?gete mucho a ti mismo y espera poco de los dem?s. As? te ahorrar?s disgustos." ============================ From freebsd-jobs at bebik.net Sat Jun 14 15:33:41 2008 From: freebsd-jobs at bebik.net (ros) Date: Sat Jun 14 15:33:52 2008 Subject: This must be in the freeBSD "in the media" ! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4853DE54.9030104@bebik.net> Hello everyone, I'm really surprised there is no news in the FreeBSD website after the TooManySecrets post about verio. Ok, the guys works with the 6.x release, but there's another *good* reason to not talk about it ? Best regards. Rodrigo TooMany Secrets wrote: > For my a great and pleasure surprise: > > http://www.verio.com/freebsd/?utm_source=NetShelter&utm_medium=HowtoForge.comRunofSiteRectangle&utm_campaign=FreeBSD > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From jhs at berklix.org Sat Jun 14 16:36:08 2008 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Sat Jun 14 16:36:15 2008 Subject: This must be in the freeBSD "in the media" ! In-Reply-To: Your message "Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:05:56 +0200." <4853DE54.9030104@bebik.net> Message-ID: <200806141635.m5EGZQb8000994@fire.js.berklix.net> ros wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'm really surprised there is no news in the FreeBSD website after the > TooManySecrets post about verio. Ok, the guys works with the 6.x > release, but there's another *good* reason to not talk about it ? Write something & send it in then : man send-pr http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/ category www (though tools www use takes time to learn ) There's also a webmaster@freebsd.org team See also http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-doc.html News Editor FreeBSD Webmaster mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-www www@freebsd.org In the Press Editor Joseph Koshy Yo'll be almost lost for choice with that lot :-) Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. From john at kozubik.com Thu Jun 19 21:54:16 2008 From: john at kozubik.com (John Kozubik) Date: Thu Jun 19 21:54:23 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... Message-ID: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Don't shoot the messenger: FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. Running IE in Wine is not a solution. Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, not a solution. ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails badly. Solution: First, a bounty has been posted here: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary Compat anyway... ----- John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com From john at kozubik.com Thu Jun 19 22:34:08 2008 From: john at kozubik.com (John Kozubik) Date: Thu Jun 19 22:34:11 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Pietro Cerutti wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > John Kozubik wrote: > | > | Don't shoot the messenger: > | > | > | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to > | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. > > gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... That's why I discounted that as a solution. I am a FreeBSD desktop user, not a FreeBSD desktop developer. I, and many others, do not have time to hack around with gnash working "pretty well". I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very well. I think this is the right direction to move in, especially if maintenance and support are (hopefully) going to be provided in some official capacity by the project itself. The key point here is that flash support has changed qualitatively from being something convenient and helpful to being _absolutely necessary_ for any kind of day to day work with a web browser[1]. That is why I am suggesting that the FreeBSD project itself take an official interest in making sure that it works. [1] A sad commentary, especially when most flash content is completely superfluous, often providing nothing but static images and/or text. From matt at ixsystems.com Fri Jun 20 00:28:37 2008 From: matt at ixsystems.com (Matt Olander) Date: Fri Jun 20 00:28:42 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: On Jun 19, 2008, at 3:57 PM, John Kozubik wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Pietro Cerutti wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> John Kozubik wrote: >> | >> | Don't shoot the messenger: >> | >> | >> | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the >> ability to >> | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. >> >> gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... > > > That's why I discounted that as a solution. I am a FreeBSD desktop > user, > not a FreeBSD desktop developer. I, and many others, do not have > time to > hack around with gnash working "pretty well". I have been working with Adobe management and the Flash development team for quite some time. It seems, just as with the redistribution agreement we worked out with them, the legal department is most likely the hold up. I will have an update for the FreeBSD community within the next couple of months. In the meantime, just in case, it could be worthwhile to further our support of linux-flash9 under FreeBSD. best, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From john at kozubik.com Fri Jun 20 03:09:03 2008 From: john at kozubik.com (John Kozubik) Date: Fri Jun 20 03:09:06 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <20080619203004.I1807@kozubik.com> Matt, On Thu, 19 Jun 2008, Matt Olander wrote: > I have been working with Adobe management and the Flash development > team for quite some time. It seems, just as with the redistribution > agreement we worked out with them, the legal department is most likely > the hold up. I will have an update for the FreeBSD community within > the next couple of months. In the meantime, just in case, it could be > worthwhile to further our support of linux-flash9 under FreeBSD. Thank you very much for your work, and for this information - this is great news. I agree that we should move forward with linux-flash9 under FreeBSD, just in case. Do you have any insight into why that solution is unworkable currently ? Who, if anyone, is working on that ? Out of curiousity, which flash player do you use in FreeBSD, and what is your recipe for making it work ? Thank you. From tom at ctors.net Fri Jun 20 09:48:31 2008 From: tom at ctors.net (Tom Van Looy) Date: Fri Jun 20 09:48:36 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <485B7A23.8060901@ctors.net> Matt Olander wrote: > I have been working with Adobe management and the Flash development team > for quite some time. It seems, just as with the redistribution agreement > we worked out with them, the legal department is most likely the hold > up. I will have an update for the FreeBSD community within the next > couple of months. In the meantime, just in case, it could be worthwhile > to further our support of linux-flash9 under FreeBSD. Can we go "whine" at some Adobe address for this? Maybe when they see more individuals complaining, they will give this an higher priority? Kind regards, Tom From gahr at FreeBSD.org Fri Jun 20 11:08:46 2008 From: gahr at FreeBSD.org (Pietro Cerutti) Date: Fri Jun 20 11:08:51 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <485AD73C.4080605@FreeBSD.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 John Kozubik wrote: | | Don't shoot the messenger: | | | FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to | support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. gnash-devel provides flash 9 and works pretty well... | | | Running IE in Wine is not a solution. | | Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. | | Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, | not a solution. | | ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails | badly. | | | Solution: | | | First, a bounty has been posted here: | | http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html | | We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a | recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with | reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) | can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux | Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version | of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. | | Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to | ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for | FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. | Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up | a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For | this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure | that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. | | | | [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary | Compat anyway... | | | ----- | John Kozubik - john@kozubik.com - http://www.kozubik.com - -- Pietro Cerutti gahr@FreeBSD.org PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkha1zsACgkQwMJqmJVx9470WgCg4APA6m3khgf4iIsrNAXcPbM/ Pr4An10QgMMM/Oalne+GGUzO/wha1HaX =2CKx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Alexander at Leidinger.net Fri Jun 20 06:56:49 2008 From: Alexander at Leidinger.net (Alexander Leidinger) Date: Fri Jun 20 11:24:11 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > From the site: ---snip--- I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is already a linux-flashplugin9 port. ---snip--- Comments from other people with some more money not included here... And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. "All what you need" is nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging possibilities we have in the linuxulator. Note: AFAIK linux-flashplugin9 is not completely stable on linux either... Bye, Alexander. -- Leela: Well, goodnight. I'm gonna go make my dinners for the next month and freeze them. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 From rdivacky at freebsd.org Fri Jun 20 08:22:13 2008 From: rdivacky at freebsd.org (Roman Divacky) Date: Fri Jun 20 11:24:39 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> Message-ID: <20080620080416.GB12112@freebsd.org> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:39:06AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > > >First, a bounty has been posted here: > > > >http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > > > From the site: > ---snip--- > I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for > running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 > on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is > already a linux-flashplugin9 port. > ---snip--- > > Comments from other people with some more money not included here... > > And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on > 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). > > Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. "All what you need" is > nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native > firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the > linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 > compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the > bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle > this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging > possibilities we have in the linuxulator. I tried to debug the flash9 and failed badly. It might be that I overlooked something trivial but... the flash9 is a big binary-only monster and basically the only trace of what its doing you can get is a syscall-trace. Which is not that much useful. I didnt find any missing syscalls or something like that and the fail is a complete mystery for me.... otoh I looked at this a LOONG time ago. I might want to look at it again (after some other things settle) anyway... I dont think that flash9 crashes are related to 2.6 emulation in any way. iirc it runs (and crashes) on 2.4 as well. I remember it crashes in $the_thing_that_ff_uses_to_report_bugs which was some proprietary app which got replaced in ff3.0, you might want to check what happened. anyway - if someone wants to debug this, feel free to contact me, I am willing to help roman _ From Alexander at Leidinger.net Fri Jun 20 08:41:17 2008 From: Alexander at Leidinger.net (Alexander Leidinger) Date: Fri Jun 20 11:25:12 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080620080416.GB12112@freebsd.org> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <20080620080416.GB12112@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20080620104106.18826n68s55lwlc0@webmail.leidinger.net> Quoting Roman Divacky (from Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:04:16 +0200): > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 08:39:06AM +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 >> 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): >> >> >First, a bounty has been posted here: >> > >> >http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html >> > >> >> From the site: >> ---snip--- >> I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for >> running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 >> on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is >> already a linux-flashplugin9 port. >> ---snip--- >> >> Comments from other people with some more money not included here... >> >> And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on >> 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). >> >> Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. "All what you need" is >> nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native >> firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the >> linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 >> compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the >> bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle >> this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging >> possibilities we have in the linuxulator. > > I tried to debug the flash9 and failed badly. It might be that I overlooked > something trivial but... > > the flash9 is a big binary-only monster and basically the only trace > of what its doing you can get is a syscall-trace. Which is not that much I think enabling the the linuxulator debug stuff and maybe adding some more printfs at some places can reveal some more stuff... with some in-deep reviewing of what happens. > useful. I didnt find any missing syscalls or something like that and the > fail is a complete mystery for me.... otoh I looked at this a LOONG time ago. Which is in indication that there are some (subtle) differences between the linuxulator and the real linux we have to track down. > I might want to look at it again (after some other things settle) > > > anyway... I dont think that flash9 crashes are related to 2.6 > emulation in any > way. iirc it runs (and crashes) on 2.4 as well. I remember it crashes in Hmmm... now I'm not sure anymore, but I thought we had reports that it runs better with 2.6... Bye, Alexander. -- I wish I was a sex-starved manicurist found dead in the Bronx!! http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 From jhs at berklix.org Fri Jun 20 11:58:18 2008 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Fri Jun 20 11:58:22 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: Your message "Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:57:30 PDT." <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> > From: John Kozubik > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very "honest to god" != Binary Crap ! No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. From wb at freebie.xs4all.nl Fri Jun 20 12:16:43 2008 From: wb at freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Fri Jun 20 12:17:07 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:58:12PM +0200 .. > > From: John Kozubik > > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god > > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very > > "honest to god" != Binary Crap ! > No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. > (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) That is your view, others could very well be more pragmatic. I would rather have the choice to have a *full working* binary-only Flash than what we have now. I appreciate that we would strongly prefer public source access, but I doubt that will ever happen for Flash. I guess you also have not inspected the full source of (say) OO for security flaws ;-) Wilko > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com > Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --- end of quoted text --- -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From jhs at berklix.org Fri Jun 20 12:28:05 2008 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Fri Jun 20 12:28:10 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: Your message "Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:03:48 +0200." <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <200806201228.m5KCRwSu057030@fire.js.berklix.net> Wilko Bulte wrote: > Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:58:12PM +0200 .. > > > From: John Kozubik > > > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god > > > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very > > > > "honest to god" != Binary Crap ! > > No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. > > (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) > > That is your view, others could very well be more pragmatic. I would rather > have the choice to have a *full working* binary-only Flash than what we > have now. Agreed. Free choice for all. Personaly Flash is too much of a PITA for me with all its problems, ever changing solutions on versions tools archs eg amd64, & risks. > I appreciate that we would strongly prefer public source access, but I doubt > that will ever happen for Flash. Could well be. Similar reasons I totaly avoid Micro$oft, whereas some use wine or native MS. > I guess you also have not inspected the > full source of (say) OO for security flaws ;-) True, I only read sources to tweak code or where manuals are bad. But fact of sources being public must discourage much evil minded coding hiding in plain view ready for dicovery, where alerts will follow. Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSDUnixLinux C Prog Admin SysEng Consult Munich www.berklix.com Mail just Ascii plain text. HTML & Base64 text are spam. From wb at freebie.xs4all.nl Fri Jun 20 12:39:20 2008 From: wb at freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Fri Jun 20 12:39:24 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <200806201228.m5KCRwSu057030@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200806201228.m5KCRwSu057030@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: <20080620123917.GD51593@freebie.xs4all.nl> Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 02:27:58PM +0200 .. > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:58:12PM +0200 .. > > > > From: John Kozubik > > > > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god > > > > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very > > > > > > "honest to god" != Binary Crap ! > > > No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. > > > (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) > > > > That is your view, others could very well be more pragmatic. I would rather > > have the choice to have a *full working* binary-only Flash than what we > > have now. > > Agreed. Free choice for all. > Personaly Flash is too much of a PITA for me with all its problems, > ever changing solutions on versions tools archs eg amd64, & risks. And that is not even considering the total disaster it is for people with a visual handicap.. > True, I only read sources to tweak code or where manuals are bad. > But fact of sources being public must discourage much evil minded > coding hiding in plain view ready for dicovery, where alerts will > follow. Yes, you are right of course. It is good we continue to have goal to work towards 8-) take care, Wilko -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From shildret at scotth.emsphone.com Fri Jun 20 14:49:15 2008 From: shildret at scotth.emsphone.com (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Fri Jun 20 15:41:26 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> Message-ID: <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to do this work." > From the site: > ---snip--- > I will pay $200 to whoever can compose a working and stable recipe for > running Adobe Flash 9 inside of the FreeBSD native version of Opera 9 > on FreeBSD 6.x. This shouldn't be that hard - in fact, there is > already a linux-flashplugin9 port. > ---snip--- > > Comments from other people with some more money not included here... > > And now the sad reality check: linux-flashplugin9 will _never_ work on > 6.x (lack of linux 2.6 emulation, and this is not a MFC candidate). > > Getting it to work on 7.x is possible. "All what you need" is > nspluginwrapper to get it running in the native > firefox/opera/whatever, and someone who is willing to debug the > linuxulator (on -current, as there is a more complete 2.6 > compatibility there, and this can be MFCed to 7.x) and find the > bug/problem which is causing the crashes. Whoever is willing to tackle > this: head over to emulation@ (CCed) and ask what debugging > possibilities we have in the linuxulator. > > Note: AFAIK linux-flashplugin9 is not completely stable on linux either... > > Bye, > Alexander. > From john at kozubik.com Tue Jun 24 15:17:45 2008 From: john at kozubik.com (John Kozubik) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:02:10 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> Message-ID: <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 > > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > > > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > > > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > > > > > > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, > > This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke > > "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of > someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to > sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. > This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to > do this work." Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a reasonable level of utility. From shildreth at allantgroup.com Tue Jun 24 16:19:10 2008 From: shildreth at allantgroup.com (Scott T. Hildreth) Date: Tue Jun 24 16:27:01 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:41 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > > > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 > > > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): > > > > > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > > > > > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, > > > > This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke > > > > "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of > > someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to > > sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. > > This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to > > do this work." > > > Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a > commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to > speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a > reasonable level of utility. I wonder how much of a task it would be? Does anyone have any idea what language the clients are written in? From carlsonmark at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 17:28:46 2008 From: carlsonmark at gmail.com (Mark Carlson) Date: Tue Jun 24 17:28:50 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: On 6/19/08, John Kozubik wrote: > > > Don't shoot the messenger: > > > FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to > support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. > > > Running IE in Wine is not a solution. > > Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. > > Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, > not a solution. > > ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails > badly. > > > Solution: > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a > recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with > reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) > can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux > Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version > of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. > > Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to > ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for > FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. > Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up > a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For > this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure > that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. > > > > [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary > Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine before.) -Mark C. P.S. That's some ugly cross-posting you've started there... From yanefbsd at gmail.com Tue Jun 24 18:05:06 2008 From: yanefbsd at gmail.com (Garrett Cooper) Date: Tue Jun 24 18:32:30 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <20080620083906.71332251xw1ckmu8@webmail.leidinger.net> <1213972236.1505.14.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> <20080624083829.T1807@kozubik.com> <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0806241040x6ed9dea6y79d2c2d62ff1b30f@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-06-24 at 08:41 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: >> >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Scott T. Hildreth wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 08:39 +0200, Alexander Leidinger wrote: >> > > Quoting John Kozubik (from Thu, 19 Jun 2008 >> > > 14:38:11 -0700 (PDT)): >> > > >> > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: >> > > > >> > > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > Maybe the bounty would be better spent here, >> > >> > This was from an email on the gnome list from Joe Marcus Clarke >> > >> > "As to the point about Flash, Kris also mentioned that he has the ear of >> > someone at Adobe who was hinting that a capable developer willing to >> > sign an NDA could be given code to work on a native Flash plug-in port. >> > This could bode well for PC-BSD and FreeBSD should someone step up to >> > do this work." >> >> >> Perfect. This is exactly what the bounty: >> >> http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html >> >> is for. I suggest that if you think this is important (as I do) to post a >> commitment to the bounty, and presumably someone will step forward to >> speak with Kris, sign an NDA, and get the FreeBSD desktop back to a >> reasonable level of utility. > > I wonder how much of a task it would be? Does anyone have any idea what > language the clients are written in? Look into Spidermonkey for more details: http://www.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/ It was designed to be the bridge between ActiveScript and Mozilla, allowing the Adobe folks to code Flash in terms of ActiveScript, instead of completely in C, thus making things more portable. I offered to work with the Mozilla group to get ActiveScript ported over to FreeBSD but I haven't received a reply in a year of having posted my "bug report". (not designed to be troll-bait, just my personal opinion on the matter -- don't comment on it please) FWIW, Personally I don't think that Flash support is as critical as getting working x64 compatible OpenGL enabled video drivers, but then again my opinion differs from your's most likely. -Garrett From jeremie at le-hen.org Fri Jun 27 12:19:22 2008 From: jeremie at le-hen.org (Jeremie Le Hen) Date: Fri Jun 27 12:27:29 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Message-ID: <20080627115403.GK15815@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> Hi, On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:03:08AM -0600, Mark Carlson wrote: > I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so > far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only > sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to > flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to > visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I > was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine > before.) The sake of completeness, I think it's worth mentionning that when using nspluginwrapper, it is theorically possible to run the Flash plugin (and other ones too) inside QEMU. I've read this on nspluginwrapper author's website [1]: this trick is used to execute binary plugins for i386 on other platforms but this could obviously work for our problem. Unfortunately, I've never seen any documentation or instruction to set up this. I've Cc'ed the author, in case he has some time to provide additional details. [1] http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/projects/nspluginwrapper/help#usage Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen < jeremie at le-hen dot org >< ttz at chchile dot org > From gb.public at free.fr Fri Jun 27 13:38:39 2008 From: gb.public at free.fr (gb.public@free.fr) Date: Fri Jun 27 13:51:16 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <29921993.2869251214572837043.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net> Message-ID: <12511256.2869421214572902697.JavaMail.root@spooler5-g27.priv.proxad.net> Hi, > The sake of completeness, I think it's worth mentionning that when > using > nspluginwrapper, it is theorically possible to run the Flash plugin > (and > other ones too) inside QEMU. This is possible but slow and I used a very old version of QEMU. IIRC, the OpenSUSE wiki mentions how to do that with a more recent version of QEMU. However, if you run on i386, you don't need QEMU, simply use nspluginwrapper as is. I use FreeBSD 6.1 and tested FlashPlayer 9 lately, it works. Though not in a browser yet but with a standalone plugins viewer I wrote for testing and another project. I don't mean it won't work in a browser, I only mean I haven't got time to fully test with Firefox on *BSD yet. You can get trunk, which represents the upcoming nspluginwrapper 1.2.0, through: $ svn co http://svn.beauchesne.info/svn/gwenole/projects/nspluginwrapper/trunk nspluginwrapper nspluginwrapper 1.0.0 (targetted to be released this weekend) is available in a separate branch: $ svn co http://svn.beauchesne.info/svn/gwenole/projects/nspluginwrapper/branches/nspluginwrapper-1.0-branch I have not written docs for the standalone player yet (npplayer) but its usage is rather simple: npplayer src=uri/to/flash/content.swf npplayer can be useful to you so that to test whether your problems are related to your Linux emulator or the browser, or even nspluginwrapper. BTW, I would appreciate if people could test nspluginwrapper 1.0 on recent FreeBSD versions before I release it since I only have FreeBSD 6.1 and FreeBSD 5.3 at home. Thanks. Regards, Gwenole Beauchesne. From perrin at apotheon.com Mon Jun 30 19:41:27 2008 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Mon Jun 30 19:41:35 2008 Subject: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... In-Reply-To: <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20080619154909.A1807@kozubik.com> <200806201158.m5KBwCFg056442@fire.js.berklix.net> <20080620120348.GA51329@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20080630190932.GB17413@kokopelli.hydra> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 02:03:48PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Quoting Julian Stacey, who wrote on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 01:58:12PM +0200 .. > > > From: John Kozubik > > > I'm not trying to discount thier efforts, but Adobe makes an honest to god > > > release version of flash for Linux, and FreeBSD runs linux binaries very > > > > "honest to god" != Binary Crap ! > > No flash on my machines without public source, checkable for security. > > (Unless maybe run in a jail/chroot) > > That is your view, others could very well be more pragmatic. I would rather > have the choice to have a *full working* binary-only Flash than what we > have now. While I completely sympathize with the desire for open source Flash support, and the desire to avoid binary-only Flash players, I also understand that sometimes the need for consistent, reliable Flash support must regrettably eclipse the desire for open source security vetting. Most people don't really *need* Flash support -- but once in a while, someone really *does* need that support to be able to achieve his or her business needs (for instance). > > I appreciate that we would strongly prefer public source access, but I doubt > that will ever happen for Flash. I guess you also have not inspected the > full source of (say) OO for security flaws ;-) That's a spurious argument at best. One doesn't have to personally inspect all the source code of something to enjoy the security benefits of the open source development model. Either you're intentionally playing dumb to ridicule someone's desire for greater security benefits in his software choices, or you need to educate yourself: http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6064734.html -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Dennis Miller: "Bill Gates is a monocle and a Persian Cat away from being the villain in a James Bond movie." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20080630/58c90715/attachment.pgp