From rwatson at FreeBSD.org Sat Aug 2 11:50:31 2008 From: rwatson at FreeBSD.org (Robert Watson) Date: Sat Aug 2 11:50:41 2008 Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 248, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <20080729052101.GB1995@baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx> References: <20080728120008.0BBF710656C5@hub.freebsd.org> <02c801c8f0dc$16caf410$0100010a@oemspc03> <20080729052101.GB1995@baranyfelhocske.buza.adamsfamily.xx> Message-ID: <20080802122138.T4086@fledge.watson.org> On Tue, 29 Jul 2008, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:02:23PM +0200, Salvatore Albanese wrote: >> We must remind that apple experimented with UNIX many years ago and now use >> the Darwin distro for MAC OS X. This is a big statement! Imagine a BSD >> distro that is so easy even windows users find it confortable. 20% of the >> windows market moved to MAC OX S in that last 18 months. > > While I agree that decent, and enthusiastic (but not zealot) advocacy is a > good thing, I think it is very important to say the truth. > > It is just too frequently that I here statements that essentially say: > "MacOS X is just FreeBSD with an Apple GUI on it". That's just not true. The > Darwin kernel is a Mach kernel (something that the BSDs do not have and did > not have with the exception of the failed attempt xMach) which is very > different from the BSD kernel. Darwin only implements some (many) APIs and > borrows some code from the BSDs (like the network code, but boy, there is > hardly an OS that does not have BSD-derived TCP/IP code somewhere in it) and > contains userland applications that were ported from the BSDs. But that does > not make it a BSD system. Otherwise, it would be truly difficult to explain > why it took so long for FreeBSD to grow suport for the PPC arch, when Darwin > was already out there :-) I'd be a bit cautious about saying XNU is a Mach kernel. XNU is not a microkernel, but it contains a lot more Mach code than FreeBSD does. However, XNU contains massive amounts of FreeBSD code, including countless IPC models, security parts, VFS, network stack, distributed file systems, etc. Saying that "Mac OS X is just FreeBSD with an Apple GUI" is certainly false on face value, but it's not correct to say that the kernel isn't in significant part FreeBSD-derived. Here's what I find in my most recent XNU kernel source drop from Apple: 21M of code labeled explicitly as BSD, largely from FreeBSD but heavily modified. 16M of code labeled explicitly as Mach, largely from OSF Mach, but heavily modified. 676K of code labeled explicitly as Security, actually the TrustedBSD MAC Framework from FreeBSD, with modifications. 2.7M of device driver code in the IOKit tree, mostly from Apple. 2M of "libkern" -- mostly Apple code (C++ parts for IOKit) and zlib. And then some loose ends, such as libsyscall, which is really userspace code but stored in the kernel source tree, configuration files, GDB macros, etc. The above is just the XNU drop, so excludes the large number of additional loadable kernel extensions (kexts), which include a lot of device drivers (largely Apple and vendor code), but also things like smbfs (pretty much verbatim FreeBSD code). > If you want to brag about FreeBSD technology used in a mainstream product, > then by all means mention Firefox 3, because that is already quite > impressive. This is true, but if you measure the proportion of Firefox code that is FreeBSD vs the proportion of XNU code that is FreeBSD, we definitely have more of a showing in XNU, making up a significant part of the product :-). 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Message-ID: <7741661C-45E8-4CD5-BA45-249DA27A664E@langille.org> Anyone doing the booth thing at LWE? -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ From matt at ixsystems.com Mon Aug 4 16:53:06 2008 From: matt at ixsystems.com (Matt Olander) Date: Mon Aug 4 16:53:12 2008 Subject: LWE - booth? In-Reply-To: <7741661C-45E8-4CD5-BA45-249DA27A664E@langille.org> References: <7741661C-45E8-4CD5-BA45-249DA27A664E@langille.org> Message-ID: On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > Anyone doing the booth thing at LWE? Hey Dan, Is that LinuxWorld Expo in SF? We'll have a pretty big presence there this year. Besides having about 7 people at the booth, we arranged to give out a PC-BSD CD to every attendee to LinuxWorld in the registration packets. Are you coming to San Francisco? -matt From dan at langille.org Mon Aug 4 17:29:36 2008 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:29:46 2008 Subject: LWE - booth? In-Reply-To: References: <7741661C-45E8-4CD5-BA45-249DA27A664E@langille.org> Message-ID: On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > >> Anyone doing the booth thing at LWE? > > Hey Dan, > > Is that LinuxWorld Expo in SF? We'll have a pretty big presence > there this year. Besides having about 7 people at the booth, we > arranged to give out a PC-BSD CD to every attendee to LinuxWorld in > the registration packets. Are you coming to San Francisco? No, but David Fetter of PostgreSQL was wondering what was happening. -- Dan Langille -- http://www.langille.org/ From matt at ixsystems.com Mon Aug 4 17:55:30 2008 From: matt at ixsystems.com (Matt Olander) Date: Mon Aug 4 17:55:37 2008 Subject: LWE - booth? In-Reply-To: References: <7741661C-45E8-4CD5-BA45-249DA27A664E@langille.org> Message-ID: <4B95E602-9A63-4BD6-ACE7-BD9D50119C07@ixsystems.com> On Aug 4, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Dan Langille wrote: > > On Aug 4, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > >> >> On Aug 4, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Dan Langille wrote: >> >>> Anyone doing the booth thing at LWE? >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> Is that LinuxWorld Expo in SF? We'll have a pretty big presence >> there this year. Besides having about 7 people at the booth, we >> arranged to give out a PC-BSD CD to every attendee to LinuxWorld in >> the registration packets. Are you coming to San Francisco? > > > No, but David Fetter of PostgreSQL was wondering what was happening. I'll see him soon! I wish I had thought to ask to have the FreeBSD booth next to the PostgreSQL booth. That seems to work out infinitely better than being next to Ubuntu ;-) If anyone is near San Francisco this week, stop by the FreeBSD booth! We've got a limited run of some secret FreeBSD t-shirts for advocates only that you can pick up at the booth. -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 From ismaelpsp at hotmail.com Wed Aug 6 15:42:40 2008 From: ismaelpsp at hotmail.com (Ismael ....) Date: Wed Aug 6 15:42:47 2008 Subject: Subjection to gain and keep desktop users Message-ID: hi, Since I didn't find a list in the which I could post my complains, I shall write down here my complains about not being able to install freebsd but in the form of subjections: 1 - Make it freebsd installable in a logical (precreated?) partition. I'm not the fist not the last that has wanted to install freebsd in a logical partition within a extended with no look. 2 - Improve the installer An alternative graphical installer would be nice 2.1 - if not, at least, mabe make the partition and define the mount point in the same place 2.2 - add one of the options xfce-user, gnome-user and/or kde-user to the installer after (or bebore?) x-user and write the apropiate config to automatically launch [X,G,K]DM. I'm sure mos of you remember that one of the complains about GNU/linux used to be how hard it was to install, some of they have done a great job improving the installer and that's helped the system to gain popularity. For now, I'll have to install freebsd in a VM, but I'm saving those 12G hopping to install it there in the near future. You should really consider that unless you don't mind newbies prefering your fork pcbsd instead, thought I don't think it supports installing in a logical partition anyway. Regards, and keep the good work. _________________________________________________________________ Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx From ismaelpsp at hotmail.com Wed Aug 6 16:49:02 2008 From: ismaelpsp at hotmail.com (Ismael ....) Date: Wed Aug 6 16:49:08 2008 Subject: Subjection to gain and keep desktop users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 11:52:25 -0400 > Subject: RE: Subjection to gain and keep desktop users > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Ismael .... >> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:31 AM >> >> hi, >> Since I didn't find a list in the which I could post my >> complains, I shall write down here my complains about not >> being able to install freebsd but in the form of subjections: >> > >> 2 - Improve the installer >> An alternative graphical installer would be nice >> >> 2.1 - if not, at least, mabe make the partition and define >> the mount point in the same place >> >> 2.2 - add one of the options xfce-user, gnome-user and/or >> kde-user to the installer after (or bebore?) x-user and write >> the apropiate config to automatically launch [X,G,K]DM. >> >> > > You Should look at www.pcbsd.org > I'm waiting for their next public beta release of v.7 Do they support installing in a extended / logical partition? since freebsd doesn't, I doubt the do. > Rod Person > Sr. Programmer > (412)454-2616 > http://www.ccbh.com > > "The fact that my implementation is different from your implementation is totally irrelevant - it works therefore it cannot be wrong." > > - Tony Marston > Software Engineer _________________________________________________________________ Juega y gana, tenemos 3 Xbox a la semana. http://club.prodigymsn.com/ From personrp at UPMC.EDU Wed Aug 6 17:09:12 2008 From: personrp at UPMC.EDU (Person, Roderick) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:09:19 2008 Subject: Subjection to gain and keep desktop users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > > > You Should look at www.pcbsd.org > > > > > I'm waiting for their next public beta release of v.7 > > Do they support installing in a extended / logical partition? > since freebsd doesn't, I doubt the do. No it doesn't that why I left that part out of you email. Personally I never understood the big deal with that. I've hated extended/logical partition since DOS. Rod Person Sr. Programmer (412)454-2616 http://www.ccbh.com "The fact that my implementation is different from your implementation is totally irrelevant - it works therefore it cannot be wrong." - Tony Marston Software Engineer From ismaelpsp at hotmail.com Wed Aug 6 17:53:44 2008 From: ismaelpsp at hotmail.com (Ismael ....) Date: Wed Aug 6 17:53:51 2008 Subject: Subjection to gain and keep desktop users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:56:47 -0400 > Subject: RE: Subjection to gain and keep desktop users > >>> >>> You Should look at www.pcbsd.org >>> >> >> >> I'm waiting for their next public beta release of v.7 >> >> Do they support installing in a extended / logical partition? >> since freebsd doesn't, I doubt the do. > > No it doesn't that why I left that part out of you email. Personally I never understood the big deal with that. 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Message-ID: <20080806224930.GA18540@k7.mavetju> Forwarded from -www: -------------------------- 8< ---------------------------------- From Jenna Boller Date 6 Aug 2008 20:39:05 Subject Beastie up for "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" Message-ID B9343891-1FD7-49D1-9BFF-B5A558EDE27C@pageonepr.com Hi There, Not sure if you've seen the contest, yet, but GroundWork Open Source is running a competition at LinuxWorld this week, "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" "Tux," the reigning champion has been close to the hearts of open source developers for over a decade, but Firefox is currently in the lead. BSD's "Beastie" and the Gnu (G-N-U) are also vying for the title of "Open Source Idol." We've been taking votes online and at LinuxWorld and also asking people to audition on site for their favorite OSS icon: http:// www.youtube.com/groundworklwe Feel free to ask your fans to keep voting for Beastie - it might become the next open source idol! People can vote here: http:// www.groundworkopensource.com/community/lwce08.html The contest ends tomorrow at 11:59 PM PDT and the winner will be announced next Tuesday morning. Best, Jenna Jenna Boller PAGE ONE PR, San Francisco www.pageonepr.com -------------------------- 8< ---------------------------------- Vote early, vote often! :-P -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From perrin at apotheon.com Thu Aug 7 18:15:02 2008 From: perrin at apotheon.com (Chad Perrin) Date: Thu Aug 7 18:15:09 2008 Subject: Fwd: Beastie up for "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" In-Reply-To: <20080806224930.GA18540@k7.mavetju> References: <20080806224930.GA18540@k7.mavetju> Message-ID: <20080807180834.GB26439@kokopelli.hydra> On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 08:49:30AM +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > Forwarded from -www: > > -------------------------- 8< ---------------------------------- > From Jenna Boller > Date 6 Aug 2008 20:39:05 > Subject Beastie up for "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" > Message-ID B9343891-1FD7-49D1-9BFF-B5A558EDE27C@pageonepr.com > > Hi There, > > Not sure if you've seen the contest, yet, but GroundWork Open Source > is running a competition at LinuxWorld this week, "Who's The Next > Open Source Idol?" > > "Tux," the reigning champion has been close to the hearts of open > source developers for over a decade, but Firefox is currently in the > lead. BSD's "Beastie" and the Gnu (G-N-U) are also vying for the > title of "Open Source Idol." > > We've been taking votes online and at LinuxWorld and also asking > people to audition on site for their favorite OSS icon: http:// > www.youtube.com/groundworklwe > > Feel free to ask your fans to keep voting for Beastie - it might > become the next open source idol! People can vote here: http:// > www.groundworkopensource.com/community/lwce08.html > > The contest ends tomorrow at 11:59 PM PDT and the winner will be > announced next Tuesday morning. Hmm . . . they misspelled "daemon". -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Paul Graham: "Object-oriented programming offers a sustainable way to write spaghetti code." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20080807/617c80a1/attachment.pgp From toomany at toomany.net Fri Aug 8 07:02:00 2008 From: toomany at toomany.net (TooMany Secrets) Date: Fri Aug 8 07:02:06 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. Message-ID: Hi! This new Google's app is named "Insights for Search", and there are the results for a "freebsd" search: http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=freebsd&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q Bye! -- Have a nice day ;-) TooManySecrets ============================ Dijo Confucio: "Ex?gete mucho a ti mismo y espera poco de los dem?s. As? te ahorrar?s disgustos." ============================ From rkramer at mweb.com Fri Aug 8 07:41:33 2008 From: rkramer at mweb.com (Rudi Kramer - MWEB) Date: Fri Aug 8 07:41:40 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. References: Message-ID: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> Just to keep things in perspective, here are the results for Linux and Microsoft respectively: http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=linux&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=microsoft&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q Rudi > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of TooMany Secrets > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:37 AM > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. > > Hi! > > This new Google's app is named "Insights for Search", and there are > the results for a "freebsd" search: > > http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=freebsd&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q > > Bye! > > -- > Have a nice day ;-) > TooManySecrets > > ============================ > Dijo Confucio: > "Ex?gete mucho a ti mismo y espera poco de los dem?s. As? te ahorrar?s > disgustos." > ============================ From rkramer at mweb.com Fri Aug 8 08:41:44 2008 From: rkramer at mweb.com (Rudi Kramer - MWEB) Date: Fri Aug 8 08:41:55 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> Message-ID: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> I think I was a bit hasty in my earlier post. I tried to compare FreeBSD to a collection of operating system and a huge corporate entity ;-) I realized that I should rather be comparing operating systems to operating systems. Searching for "Redhat" , "Freebsd", and "Ubunto" returned scores of 10, 20, and 34 but searching for specific versions result in a different set of figures. "Freebsd 7", "Redhat 5" and "Ubunto 8" gives us 61, 91 and 100 respectively. The only conclusion I can gather from the search results is that people have learnt to use more specific queries over time. Rudi P.s "Freebsd is dead" returns a "Not enough search volume to show graphs." message so hopefully that dog will finaly lie down and die :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Rudi Kramer - MWEB > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:41 AM > To: TooMany Secrets; freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: FreeBSD in new app from Google. > > Just to keep things in perspective, here are the results for Linux and Microsoft > respectively: > > http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=linux&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q > > http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=microsoft&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt > =q > > Rudi > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of TooMany Secrets > > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:37 AM > > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. > > > > Hi! > > > > This new Google's app is named "Insights for Search", and there are > > the results for a "freebsd" search: > > > > > http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=freebsd&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q > > > > Bye! > > > > -- > > Have a nice day ;-) > > TooManySecrets > > > > ============================ > > Dijo Confucio: > > "Ex?gete mucho a ti mismo y espera poco de los dem?s. As? te ahorrar?s > > disgustos." > > ============================ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From jhb at freebsd.org Fri Aug 8 13:32:34 2008 From: jhb at freebsd.org (John Baldwin) Date: Fri Aug 8 13:32:40 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. In-Reply-To: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> Message-ID: <200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> On Friday 08 August 2008 04:41:35 am Rudi Kramer - MWEB wrote: > P.s "Freebsd is dead" returns a "Not enough search volume to show graphs." > message so hopefully that dog will finaly lie down and die :-) That's because the /. phrase is "bsd is dying". It doesn't get full results, but it does warrant a graph. :-P -- John Baldwin From kris at FreeBSD.org Fri Aug 8 14:10:48 2008 From: kris at FreeBSD.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Fri Aug 8 14:10:54 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. In-Reply-To: <200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> John Baldwin wrote: > On Friday 08 August 2008 04:41:35 am Rudi Kramer - MWEB wrote: >> P.s "Freebsd is dead" returns a "Not enough search volume to show graphs." >> message so hopefully that dog will finaly lie down and die :-) > > That's because the /. phrase is "bsd is dying". It doesn't get full results, > but it does warrant a graph. :-P > Also it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubunto" ;-) Kris From sdavtaker at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 14:54:29 2008 From: sdavtaker at gmail.com (Sdavtaker) Date: Fri Aug 8 14:54:36 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. In-Reply-To: <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <489C576C.1070806@gmail.com> I tried the popular *BSD projects and noticed, the world population distribution focuses on Asia for all of them beside DFBSD who is focus on americas/ocenia. Sdav Kris Kennaway wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> On Friday 08 August 2008 04:41:35 am Rudi Kramer - MWEB wrote: >>> P.s "Freebsd is dead" returns a "Not enough search volume to show >>> graphs." >>> message so hopefully that dog will finaly lie down and die :-) >> >> That's because the /. phrase is "bsd is dying". It doesn't get full >> results, but it does warrant a graph. :-P >> > > Also it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubunto" ;-) > > Kris > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From heidi.wyss at nordultra.com Fri Aug 8 15:10:34 2008 From: heidi.wyss at nordultra.com (Heidi Wyss) Date: Fri Aug 8 15:10:41 2008 Subject: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 249, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <20080808120011.DA38310656BF@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20080808120011.DA38310656BF@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <489C5DBB.5000104@nordultra.com> There's a thoroughly sourced article about Beastie's history on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: Beastie up for "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" > (Chad Perrin) > 2. FreeBSD in new app from Google. (TooMany Secrets) > 3. RE: FreeBSD in new app from Google. (Rudi Kramer - MWEB) > 4. RE: FreeBSD in new app from Google. (Rudi Kramer - MWEB) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:08:34 -0600 > From: Chad Perrin > Subject: Re: Fwd: Beastie up for "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" > To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org > Message-ID: <20080807180834.GB26439@kokopelli.hydra> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 08:49:30AM +1000, Edwin Groothuis wrote: >> Forwarded from -www: >> >> -------------------------- 8< ---------------------------------- >> From Jenna Boller >> Date 6 Aug 2008 20:39:05 >> Subject Beastie up for "Who's The Next Open Source Idol?" >> Message-ID B9343891-1FD7-49D1-9BFF-B5A558EDE27C@pageonepr.com >> >> Hi There, >> >> Not sure if you've seen the contest, yet, but GroundWork Open Source >> is running a competition at LinuxWorld this week, "Who's The Next >> Open Source Idol?" >> >> "Tux," the reigning champion has been close to the hearts of open >> source developers for over a decade, but Firefox is currently in the >> lead. BSD's "Beastie" and the Gnu (G-N-U) are also vying for the >> title of "Open Source Idol." >> >> We've been taking votes online and at LinuxWorld and also asking >> people to audition on site for their favorite OSS icon: http:// >> www.youtube.com/groundworklwe >> >> Feel free to ask your fans to keep voting for Beastie - it might >> become the next open source idol! People can vote here: http:// >> www.groundworkopensource.com/community/lwce08.html >> >> The contest ends tomorrow at 11:59 PM PDT and the winner will be >> announced next Tuesday morning. > > Hmm . . . they misspelled "daemon". > From ivoras at freebsd.org Fri Aug 8 20:34:35 2008 From: ivoras at freebsd.org (Ivan Voras) Date: Fri Aug 8 20:34:42 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. In-Reply-To: <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: Kris Kennaway wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> On Friday 08 August 2008 04:41:35 am Rudi Kramer - MWEB wrote: >>> P.s "Freebsd is dead" returns a "Not enough search volume to show >>> graphs." >>> message so hopefully that dog will finaly lie down and die :-) >> >> That's because the /. phrase is "bsd is dying". It doesn't get full >> results, but it does warrant a graph. :-P > > Also it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubunto" ;-) A fascinating thing is the level of interest Ubuntu got in a very short time: http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=ubuntu%2Cfreebsd%2Credhat%2Csolaris&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20080809200213.6b7652b3@ayiin> On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:34:05 +0200 Ivan Voras wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: [...] > > Also it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubunto" ;-) > > A fascinating thing is the level of interest Ubuntu got in a very short > time: > > http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=ubuntu%2Cfreebsd%2Credhat%2Csolaris&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q well, it also "shows" that fewer people are having problems with freebsd than all the other OSes http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=problem%20with%20ubuntu%2Cproblem%20with%20freebsd%2Cproblem%20with%20redhat%2Cproblem%20with%20solaris&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q :P i am never too sure what is actually valid to extrapolate from this sort of information...other than more people search for {term}. WHY do they search for that is more interesting (does it mean prospective ubuntu users are less likely to figure out the url to ubuntu's site than freebsd's ? ) ... cheers, B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome The Feynman Problem-Solving Algorithm: (1) write down the problem. (2) think very hard. (3) write down the answer. Murray Gell-Mann I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. You have been Warned. From horus.li at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 13:26:01 2008 From: horus.li at gmail.com (Horus Lee) Date: Sat Aug 9 13:26:08 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, | On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:34:05 +0200 | Ivan Voras wrote: | well, it also "shows" that fewer people are having problems with freebsd than all the other OSes | [...] | :P Then also check this out: http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=freebsd%20sucks%2Clinux%20sucks%2Csolaris%20sucks&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q :-) - -- Horus Lee My GPG/PGP Public Key Available Here: http://blog.opensource.org.cn/horuslee/2008/02/my-gpgpgp-public-key.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkidlLgACgkQvVxKL9VSxXruswCfT4yqd9xBC3PiNkOyroq6ypNN h/sAnRKjnFrTZWJnPGbwGNpEJjcofo8d =NRp5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rkramer at mweb.com Mon Aug 11 05:17:25 2008 From: rkramer at mweb.com (Rudi Kramer - MWEB) Date: Mon Aug 11 05:17:32 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. References: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF1@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FF2@MWBEXCH.mweb.com><200808080909.02181.jhb@freebsd.org> <489C53E4.7030500@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <39DC135F7F0571489196E0B6F5D58B4A03B45FFC@MWBEXCH.mweb.com> > Behalf Of Kris Kennaway > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:11 PM > To: John Baldwin > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: FreeBSD in new app from Google. > > Also it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubunto" ;-) Shhh, no one else noticed ;-) From ivoras at freebsd.org Mon Aug 11 22:30:06 2008 From: ivoras at freebsd.org (Ivan Voras) Date: Mon Aug 11 22:30:11 2008 Subject: FreeBSD in new app from Google. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Horus Lee wrote: > Hi all, > > | On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:34:05 +0200 > | Ivan Voras wrote: > | well, it also "shows" that fewer people are having problems with > freebsd than all the other OSes > | [...] > | :P > > Then also check this out: > http://google.com/insights/search/#cat=&q=freebsd%20sucks%2Clinux%20sucks%2Csolaris%20sucks&geo=&date=&clp=&cmpt=q We Suck Less (tm) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 250 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20080811/22d432d2/signature.pgp From reddvinylene at gmail.com Tue Aug 26 09:34:12 2008 From: reddvinylene at gmail.com (Redd Vinylene) Date: Tue Aug 26 09:34:19 2008 Subject: I can't make world without the "games" group? In-Reply-To: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" wrote: >> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious >> server, not a kindergarten ;) >> >> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it! > > Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes: > > WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' > > It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a > predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation > to customize it at will. That's why you can find a lot of customization > options in the manpage of src.conf(5). > > For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space, > and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three > different firewalls, I would probably build with: > > WITHOUT_CVS=yes > WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' > WITHOUT_GCOV=yes > WITHOUT_GDB=yes > WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes > WITHOUT_IPX=yes > WITHOUT_OBJC=yes > WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes > WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes > > I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs, > to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools. > > The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are > definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them. > > - Giorgos > > Hello hello! Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error. I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why can't he load it as a module, or install a port? To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing that some day it'll all come tumbling down! -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene From kris at FreeBSD.org Tue Aug 26 13:08:45 2008 From: kris at FreeBSD.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Tue Aug 26 13:08:52 2008 Subject: I can't make world without the "games" group? In-Reply-To: References: <87abf487wg.fsf@kobe.laptop> Message-ID: <48B40057.6080802@FreeBSD.org> Redd Vinylene wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Giorgos Keramidas > wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 17:31:22 +0200, "Redd Vinylene" wrote: >>> Why can't I make world without the "games" group? I run a serious >>> server, not a kindergarten ;) >>> >>> I don't want the games group there, I just don't need it! >> Have you tried building with an src.conf file that includes: >> >> WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' >> >> It' not a matter of `kindergarten or not', but a matter of providing a >> predictable `base system' by default and all the knob and documentation >> to customize it at will. That's why you can find a lot of customization >> options in the manpage of src.conf(5). >> >> For example, on a `production server' that is a bit limited in space, >> and doesn't really need compilers, debuggers, profiling tools, or three >> different firewalls, I would probably build with: >> >> WITHOUT_CVS=yes >> WITHOUT_GAMES='yes' >> WITHOUT_GCOV=yes >> WITHOUT_GDB=yes >> WITHOUT_IPFILTER=yes >> WITHOUT_IPX=yes >> WITHOUT_OBJC=yes >> WITHOUT_PROFILE=yes >> WITHOUT_SHAREDOCS=yes >> >> I would also use WITHOUT_TOOLCHAIN=yes during `make installworld' runs, >> to skip installing all the gcc, g++ and debugger tools. >> >> The default `base system' still installs all these parts, but you are >> definitely *not* obliged to always install all of them. >> >> - Giorgos >> >> > > Hello hello! > > Yeah I actually tried that, but I got the same error. > > I don't see why the FreeBSD team has to insist on keeping this, pardon > my language, bullshit. If some sorry guy actually needs this, why > can't he load it as a module, or install a port? > > To quote some Frenchman: "Perfection is achieved, not when there's > nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away." > > I worry slightly as I watch FreeBSD become bigger and bigger, fearing > that some day it'll all come tumbling down! > Try to relax and calm down a bit. The games user is a left-over remnant of something that has ALWAYS been part of BSD, but *was* already mostly removed from FreeBSD some years ago (the actual games are now in the ports tree). It is not some insidious creeping bloat that has been added while you weren't looking. Kris From DS at praxisvermittlung24.de Fri Aug 29 13:53:33 2008 From: DS at praxisvermittlung24.de (Daniel Seuffert) Date: Fri Aug 29 13:53:41 2008 Subject: FreeBSD posters Message-ID: <48B7FCDA.8090008@praxisvermittlung24.de> Dear people, I'm looking for posters or people willing to create posters I can print for events (I have a shiny big Epson machine now). Many visitors at variuos events in Europe have expressed desire and there a no posters available now. We have 2 drafts available at present: http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/beastie_end.pdf (designed by Lars Engels aka lme@FreeBSD.org) http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/FreeBSD-Blue-PosterA2.tif (designed by Aron Schlesinger) I would like to have at least 5-6 posters and I will produce a small series of 50 each to test which three of them sell best. Any contribution is appreciated! The posters will not be for sale or any shop, they will be distributed for a small fee covering the costs at events like Fosdem etc. If there's any surplus the money will be handed over to the FreeBSD foundation. Best regards, Daniel From freebsd-jobs at bebik.net Fri Aug 29 16:02:08 2008 From: freebsd-jobs at bebik.net (Rodrigo OSORIO (ros)) Date: Fri Aug 29 16:02:15 2008 Subject: FreeBSD posters In-Reply-To: <48B7FCDA.8090008@praxisvermittlung24.de> References: <48B7FCDA.8090008@praxisvermittlung24.de> Message-ID: <20080829152150.GA26697@hodja.bebik.net> Daniel, Dear all, A poster made by myself is also available for print in A3 format[3]. This format is not -really- expensive to order small series (at least 100). I have some yet printed so if someone -living not so far- need freeBSD posters, please contact me. And, please, don't ask me about the ans (instead of and) in the bottom ;) Other advocacy news : * A new BSD advocacy group called "BSDFrance" was created in france We don't really have a nice website, but a forum and a mailing list exists. website : http://www.freebsdfrance.fr wiki : http://wiki.freebsdfrance.fr * Next week takes place the "Braderie de Lille"[1] in the city of Lille[2] It's a very popular event in the nort of France, and many peoples comes to. During the event an Open Source village introduce users to the magic of Linux, and we are invited to join them, to demostrate how FreeBSD is cool :) So a bot camp will be there with some BSD enthousiastics. More informations : http://wiki.bsdfrance.fr/doku.php?id=braderie_de_lille_2008 Best regards Rodrigo OSORIO rodrigo {at{ bebik ]dot[ net [1] http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braderie_de_Lille [2] http://maps.google.fr/maps?f=q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=lille&ie=UTF8&z=12&iwloc=addr [3] http://www.bebik.net/freebsd/FreeBSDPoster.pdf On 29/08/08 15:42 +0200, Daniel Seuffert wrote: > Dear people, > > I'm looking for posters or people willing to create > posters I can print for events (I have a shiny big Epson > machine now). > > Many visitors at variuos events in Europe have expressed > desire and there a no posters available now. > > We have 2 drafts available at present: > > http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/beastie_end.pdf > > (designed by Lars Engels aka lme@FreeBSD.org) > > http://misc.allbsd.de/Poster/FreeBSD-Blue-PosterA2.tif > > (designed by Aron Schlesinger) > > I would like to have at least 5-6 posters and I will > produce a small series of 50 each to test which three > of them sell best. > > Any contribution is appreciated! > > The posters will not be for sale or any shop, > they will be distributed for a small fee covering the costs > at events like Fosdem etc. > > If there's any surplus the money will be handed over to the > FreeBSD foundation. > > Best regards, Daniel > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From thisemailaddress at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 13:37:18 2008 From: thisemailaddress at gmail.com (thisemailaddress@gmail.com) Date: Sat Aug 30 13:37:24 2008 Subject: Anyone want BSDbox.org? Message-ID: <3dea2ce70808300611n49b28fd0i3d101ca46ccdd40c@mail.gmail.com> I'm interested in seeing bsdbox.org put to good use. It's registered through 2013. If anyone has any ideas (and desire) to put it to use, let me know. Personally, I use Linux more than BSD now so I feel awkward. I'd rather it be used for community purposes or by a significant developer if used personally. NOTE: Contact me off the list (directly) if interested.