Blah Blah Bah Blob

Salvatore Albanese salvatore at oems.ch
Sun Mar 18 14:41:04 UTC 2007 

Greetings and A Big Timeout all.

Well I note that if you are are forwarding the FreeBSD OS then we need to 
face the fact it is good! and freedom is really close to chaos, with freedom 
at stake, I vote for Chaos.

FreeBSD is good and it has helped many of my clients get out of the grips of 
Commercial Server Operation System's, and give them at the same time 
Stability, Secure, and Reliable services.

OK maybe there are some people with inroads to be worked out, and  have some 
political and person greavances, Some feel this is a Place to forward 
FreeBSD, not blast each other.

For some us we feel FreeBSD 6 tree is still broken and has not moved forward 
as fast as we all want it to.  Do to most of the person and political 
differences want to make it seem a lost hope, Well wasn't it I, that said 
"freedom is really close to chaos." Well we are at the chaos stage, and that 
means some parties want to be, more or less, decenting, wait that starst to 
sound like democratic, not autocratic..... this is the point, with feedback 
we can get the concensis of what we all want. by listening and digesting the 
facts. soon we forget that some players in the allBSD crowd brought us the 
EuroBSDcon2005 , and they were open enough to have freeBSD be there too. 
After all there are many BSD's,  I feel giving equal time to the other 
flavors of BSD was quite a refreshing, since then the BSD parties have grown 
apart a little, but what does it mean.

My clients who had faith in me and FreeBSD will be let down ( not on my 
watch), will we have to develop FreeBSD alone, ( the core will never let 
that happen) some try to discredit FreeBSD to their own person gains (Maybe) 
will this silliness last very long ( no!)

All said and done let the doors of the firey ball of fermament fly open, 
after all this is a FreeBSD Advocacy list not a tool shed list!

Anyone can write this better contact me for my feelings and I hope we can 
all come to a common frame of mind.

Best regards

Salvatore Albanese
Sr. Consultant
OEMS Sagl


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>   1. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
>   2. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)
>   3. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
>   4. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jan Husar)
>   5. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
>   6. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jan Husar)
>   7. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)
>   8. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
>   9. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)
>  10. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100
> From: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <86k5xf91pz.fsf at dwp.des.no>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
>> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
>> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
>
> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon, which
> is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD logo is here:
> <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
>
> DES
> -- 
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des at des.no
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:50 +0100
> From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070317205350.70f6ecf1 at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100
> des at des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:
>
>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
>> > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
>> > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
>>
>> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon, which
>> is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD logo is here:
>> <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
>
> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not too
> much of an effort.
> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg
>
> Jona
>
> -- 
> "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
> build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
> laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
> are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100
> From: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <86ejnn39e6.fsf at dwp.des.no>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>> > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
>> > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
>> > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
>> > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
>> > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
>> > logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
>> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
>> too much of an effort.
>> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg
>
> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>
> DES
> -- 
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des at des.no
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:27:49 +0100
> From: Jan Husar <jan.husar at skosi.org>
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des at des.no>
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
> <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Message-ID: <45FC4F45.5030207 at skosi.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>>>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>>>>> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
>>>>> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
>>>>> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
>>>> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
>>>> which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
>>>> logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
>>> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
>>> too much of an effort.
>>> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg
>>
>> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>>
>
> What this suppose to mean?
> Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!
>
>> DES
>
>
>
> -- 
>  -----------------------------------
> |      Jan Husar
> |
> | freedomeurope.blogspot.com
> | GnuPG 1024D/DDB1C1AE
> | http://www.opensource.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100
> From: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: Jan Husar <jan.husar at skosi.org>
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
> <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Message-ID: <86648z38ct.fsf at dwp.des.no>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Jan Husar <jan.husar at skosi.org> writes:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>> > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>> What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!
>
> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.
>
> DES
> -- 
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des at des.no
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:53:56 +0100
> From: Jan Husar <jan.husar at skosi.org>
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des at des.no>
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
> <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Message-ID: <45FC5564.3030302 at skosi.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>> Jan Husar <jan.husar at skosi.org> writes:
>>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>>>> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>>>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>>> What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!
>>
>> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.
>>
>
> Definetly, but:
>
> Over the years as I'm working as full time opensource activist mostly
> involved with the community and government/educational sector I must
> say, the main reason we are so effective and deployable is we are able
> to cooperate over any communication method know to man.
>
> Which means, if I see action somewhere benefiting us as a whole, I'm
> going to support it, because in the end it does support and help me and
> my projects.
>
> If allbsd did something wrong, we should be able to discuss is and
> possible fix or try to find a solution, not spaming about lawyers.
> As a community, we suffer enough, should we have some enemy within and
> fight a guerilla warfare? When the BSD have enough problems already?
>
> Jan
>
>> DES
>
>
> -- 
>  -----------------------------------
> |      Jan Husar
> |
> | freedomeurope.blogspot.com
> | GnuPG 1024D/DDB1C1AE
> | http://www.opensource.org
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:43 +0100
> From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070317215443.6fd2d6ce at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100
> des at des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:
>
>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>> > > Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> > > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
>> > > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
>> > > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
>> > > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
>> > > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
>> > > logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
>> > You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
>> > too much of an effort.
>> > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg
>>
>> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>
> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
> logo was used for this campaign?
> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?
>
> Jona
>
>
> -- 
> "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
> build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
> laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
> are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100
> From: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <86ps771syr.fsf at dwp.des.no>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>> > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
>> logo was used for this campaign?
>> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?
>
> It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are
> qualified to handle it.
>
> As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will
> let the source tree speak for itself:
>
> des at dwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu
> /sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu
>
> DES
> -- 
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des at des.no
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:12:41 +0100
> From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org, Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>,
> Jona
> Message-ID: <20070317221241.13cb1429 at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100
> des at des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:
>
>> Jan Husar <jan.husar at skosi.org> writes:
>> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>> > > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>> > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>> > What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!
>>
>> No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.
>
> What makes you say they violated the law? I'm quite sure some people of
> the FreeBSD Foundation were shown this before it was made public.
>
> Jona
>
> -- 
> "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
> build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
> laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
> are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:24:59 +0100
> From: Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
> To: des at des.no (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
> Cc: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
> <walkingshadow at grummel.net>
> Message-ID: <20070317222459.119fc7c1 at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100
> des at des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:
>
>> Jona Joachim <walkingshadow at grummel.net> writes:
>> > Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des at des.no> writes:
>> > > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
>> > > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
>> > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
>> > logo was used for this campaign?
>> > Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?
>>
>> It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are
>> qualified to handle it.
>>
>> As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will
>> let the source tree speak for itself:
>>
>> des at dwp ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu
> <snip listing of binaries>
>
> How about porting OpenHAL to FreeBSD?
>
> Jona
>
> -- 
> "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
> build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
> laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
> are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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