Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) - jumping to -advocacy

[twig les]

Cool, I don't need to own the domain.  I just think that right
now the state of things is that FreeBSD is the best-kept secret
around because Linux is taking market share from everyone -
hell, my *dad* knows about Linux and he's one of those users
from "Evil Geniuses".  There is a nice article in businessweek
talking about Sun's dilemna here:
http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2003/tc20030812_9215_tc055.htm.

A lot of people ask me why I use (or suggest) FreeBSD instead of
Linux and I tell them that I only use or recommend FreeBSD when
I need something to be fast, secure and/or stable. :)  The idea
is that the underlying engineering is done, now we need to push
it to da' masses.

I also agree with mhoskins, I don't want FreeBSD to turn into
RH; RH seems to be trying to replace the knowledgable admin with
GUIs and "help" files.

--- "Devon H. O'Dell" <dodell at sitetronics.com> wrote:
> Likewise, I am registering bsdportal.org (so none of you take
> it :P) where I
> will write some stuff. A taste of some of it is already in my
> /. journal,
> for the time being (http://slashdot.org/~dodell/journal, for
> what it's
> worth). I'd really like to see this certification go through
> but, as I've
> stated multiple times already, I'd like to see a project
> sincerely devoted
> to getting these funs raised. I am (at the moment) a "systems
> and network
> engineer" by title, but have extensive knowledge of backend
> server
> development (although you'd probably only know me about PHP)
> in many
> languages. I'd love to contribute any time and effort I have
> available to
> the advancement of this project.
> 
> PLEASE let me know how I can help out.
> 
> --Devon
> 
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: owner-freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> > advocacy at freebsd.org] Namens twig les
> > Verzonden: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:15 PM
> > Aan: Robert Watson
> > CC: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> > Onderwerp: Re: Certification (was RE: realpath(3) et al) -
> jumping to -
> > advocacy
> > 
> > I think a nice website to have would be one devoted to using
> > FreeBSD as a drop-in replacement for Solaris, i.e. in a
> > corporate environment.  Speaking of PR certifications, I'm
> busy
> > for the next month renewing my CISSP but after that I will
> look
> > at registering a domain like "CorporateBSD.com" or
> something.
> > Since I'm a lousy developer, this will alleviate my guilt
> for
> > not contributing code.  The basic idea is to either host or
> link
> > to tons of how-tos that address corporate concerns like
> patch
> > roll-outs and hot-spares.
> > 
> > --- Robert Watson <rwatson at freebsd.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, twig les wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am CC'ing -advocacy on this so we can officially move
> this
> > > thread over
> > > > (bc getting chastised hurts my inner-child).  Please
> don't
> > > CC -security
> > > > anymore, although I am in no position whatsoever to
> enforce
> > > this
> > > > request.  Now, to the topic...
> > >
> > > I certainly didn't mean to chastise :-).  I was just
> saying
> > > that
> > > certifications are odd things -- they have value in
> strange
> > > ways.  My main
> > > concern was that people seemed to think it had value from
> a
> > > practical
> > > security implementation perspective -- I'm not sure that
> it
> > > does.  It's
> > > value is entirely in market, PR, et al, and I agree that
> there
> > > is
> > > substantial value to be had there, if approached the right
> > > way.
> > >
> > > > A large company that has a roll-out hardware/software
> > > package.  This
> > > > includes support.  I *know* that it is easy to
> patch/make
> > > world, but the
> > > > number of "computer engineers" that have never heard of
> SSH
> > > is
> > > > astounding.  Management needs a 3rd-party to bitch about
> and
> > > know will
> > > > still be around in 5 years.
> > > >
> > > > A console port on the hardware platform.  Have you ever
> > > tried sending
> > > > management to the pcweasel web site?
> > > >
> > > > As silly as it sounds (and I understand how silly it
> > > sounds), a
> > > > certification like the Red Hack one would help.  I
> apologize
> > > profusely
> > > > for saying that.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure I'm missing a lot but if we want a corporate
> > > sponsor like my
> > > > massive mother company (which rhymes with AT&C) then it
> > > seems like we
> > > > need different medium companies pushing FreeBSD instead
> of
> > > redhat as a
> > > > packaged solution.
> > >
> > > I agree with these conclusions entirely.  RedHat plays a
> > > valuable role in
> > > the Linux world in a variety of ways, and one of the most
> > > important is to
> > > provide the kind of support and legitimacy presence that
> many
> > > large
> > > companies are looking for.  Having one for the FreeBSD
> world
> > > would
> > > certainly provide a lot of swing for FreeBSD.  It would
> also
> > > change the
> > > dynamic of the FreeBSD Project substantially, I expect,
> but it
> > > would be
> > > hard to predict too much how.  I think that many people
> hoped
> > > that BSDi
> > > could play this role for FreeBSD, but obviously that
> didn't
> > > work out :-).
> > >
> > > So, if you know of a small company that wants to get
> bigger,
> > > and wants to
> > > give a spin at promoting FreeBSD in this manner (and
> making
> > > money off it
> > > in a sustainable way), I would encourage you to encourage
> > > them.  I'm sure
> > > there are a fair number of FreeBSD developers who would
> like
> > > to work for
> > > such a company, if they thought it was viable.
> > >
> > > Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team,
> TrustedBSD
> > > Projects
> > > robert at fledge.watson.org      Network Associates
> Laboratories
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
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