From stephen at missouri.edu Tue Aug 4 03:17:56 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 4 03:18:02 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? Message-ID: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. There may be ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end. My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who wants to take it over? I should add that my system administrator is tremendously supportive towards the FreeBSD project, and I am sure that he would be a big help to finding ways to keep CTM going, if it turns out that enough people really need it. But I don't want to go through that headache if there aren't enough people to warrant its continued existence. Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users. Thanks, Stephen From peter.jeremy at alcatel-lucent.com.au Tue Aug 4 03:32:19 2009 From: peter.jeremy at alcatel-lucent.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Tue Aug 4 03:32:26 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their >updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who >wants to take it over? I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server at home and mail it to work. As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to do so but would appreciate some more details: - How much disk space is required? - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated box, what CPU/RAM does it have? - What are the bandwidth requirements? - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? -- Peter Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-users/attachments/20090804/14ec7d3b/attachment.pgp From stephen at missouri.edu Tue Aug 4 04:04:03 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 4 04:04:09 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their >> updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who >> wants to take it over? > > I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta > emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to > setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. I use CTM for synchronization, just as you do. > > I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of > CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would > probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server > at home and mail it to work. It might be more efficient to use CVSUP at home, and then synchronize with work using rsync over vpn (that is, if you have vpn available to you). > > As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to > do so but would appreciate some more details: > - How much disk space is required? ?????? I am doing a "du -s" right now, but the directory structure of the complete cvs is pretty complicated, and it is taking a long time to finish. For now, I am going to guess that it is perhaps a little less than 10G. > - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated > box, what CPU/RAM does it have? I use my desktop, which is a fairly old DELL, 32 bit, 1G RAM, 2.6GHz. But the big bottleneck is the hard drive. When CTM is running, it really uses the disk heavily, and I try to time it to when I am not wanting to use the computer for regular activities (like surfing the web). Each CTM run takes about 2 hours, and this happens 3 times a day. I use fairly modern SATA drives, and that makes a huge difference. Most of the time is spent updating cvs-cur. > - What are the bandwidth requirements? You need enough bandwidth to be able to cvsup 3 times a day, and so that ftp-master can fetch the deltas. The big deltas are the cvs-cur*xEmpty's, which are about 1G each in size, and new ones are created about once per month. > - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, using sendmail. The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. It does this about every 4 hours. From Andre.Albsmeier at siemens.com Tue Aug 4 06:10:53 2009 From: Andre.Albsmeier at siemens.com (Andre Albsmeier) Date: Tue Aug 4 06:11:02 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> On Mon, 03-Aug-2009 at 23:03:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >... > > ?????? I am doing a "du -s" right now, but the directory structure of > the complete cvs is pretty complicated, and it is taking a long time to > finish. For now, I am going to guess that it is perhaps a little less > than 10G. > > > - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated > > box, what CPU/RAM does it have? > > I use my desktop, which is a fairly old DELL, 32 bit, 1G RAM, 2.6GHz. > But the big bottleneck is the hard drive. > > When CTM is running, it really uses the disk heavily, and I try to time > it to when I am not wanting to use the computer for regular activities > (like surfing the web). Each CTM run takes about 2 hours, and this > happens 3 times a day. I use fairly modern SATA drives, and that makes > a huge difference. Most of the time is spent updating cvs-cur. Maybe there is room for improvement by spreading the work over various disks intelligently. I don't know how the delta generation works but I think stuff has to be checked out and compared to the former version. So if one got three disks: 1. holding the cvs Repository 2. checked out version #1 3. checked out version #2 things might get a big boost. > > > - What are the bandwidth requirements? > > You need enough bandwidth to be able to cvsup 3 times a day, and so that > ftp-master can fetch the deltas. The big deltas are the > cvs-cur*xEmpty's, which are about 1G each in size, and new ones are > created about once per month. One could argue about the need of distributing cvs-cur and src-cur and stay with the -STABLE branches and -ports. But this is just my opinion and others' needs may be different ;-). Also, it might be enough to run the process only once a day. > > > - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? > > The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, > using sendmail. How many people are there on the lists? This might also give an idea about the necessity supporting cvs-cur and src-cur. Chances are low, but, anyway, I will ask a friend who is well connected if we could arrange something... Thanks, -Andre > > The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. > It does this about every 4 hours. > > _______________________________________________ > ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Failure is not an option -- it comes bundled with Windows. From Andre.Albsmeier at siemens.com Tue Aug 4 06:16:01 2009 From: Andre.Albsmeier at siemens.com (Andre Albsmeier) Date: Tue Aug 4 06:16:07 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <20090804055311.GA20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> On Tue, 04-Aug-2009 at 13:17:53 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > >updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who > >wants to take it over? > > I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta > emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to > setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. Same here ;-) > > I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of > CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would Exactly the same here. Additionally, I use a script which applies the deltas and filters out changes and local modifications. I am doing it this way since FreeBSD-2.1.5 ;-). A few years ago, there was some disruption in the delta generation and I had to use CVSup at home and carry stuff over at work temporarily. It was a big hack and luckily delta generation was restored. This showed me how much I loved CTM ;-). If CTM went away the world would not end but I would miss it heavily for sure. Thanks a lot for all your efforts being put into CTM! -Andre > probably be for me to setup something fairly similar to a CTM server > at home and mail it to work. > > As for formally taking over CTM, I don't think I'm in a position to > do so but would appreciate some more details: > - How much disk space is required? > - How resource intensive is building the deltas? If it's a dedicated > box, what CPU/RAM does it have? > - What are the bandwidth requirements? > - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? > > -- > Peter Jeremy From jvk-ctm at thekrafts.org Tue Aug 4 10:34:52 2009 From: jvk-ctm at thekrafts.org (Joe Kraft) Date: Tue Aug 4 10:34:58 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <20090804055311.GA20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <20090804055311.GA20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Message-ID: <008a01ca14eb$6214a270$263de750$@org> > On Tue, 04-Aug-2009 at 13:17:53 +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2009-Aug-03 21:46:06 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > >My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > > >updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who > > >wants to take it over? > > > > I don't have CVSup access at work and currently rely on CTM delta > > emails. I also use CTM (via FTP) at home because that was easy to > > setup and means my trees at home and work are synchronised. > > Same here ;-) Me too. No access through the firewall at work to run CVSup or FTP so e-mail is the way to go. > > > > > I could switch to CVSup at home without too much hassle but loss of > > CTM would be a serious hassle at work - the easiest solution would > > Exactly the same here. Additionally, I use a script which > applies the deltas and filters out changes and local > modifications. I am doing it this way since FreeBSD-2.1.5 ;-). > > If CTM went away the world would not end but I would miss > it heavily for sure. > Occasionally I drop an e-mail and have to transfer something manually from home and it's a PITA for sure. > Thanks a lot for all your efforts being put into CTM! > > -Andre My thanks also. Joe. From mark.jacobs at custserv.com Tue Aug 4 11:06:29 2009 From: mark.jacobs at custserv.com (Mark Jacobs) Date: Tue Aug 4 11:06:35 2009 Subject: CTM Usage Message-ID: <4A780EE2.9030909@custserv.com> I use it for my updates since I can't get a port open in our corporate firewall for csup. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL ---- You can have any kind of a home you want. You can even get stucco. Oh, how you can get stucco. Groucho Marx - The Cocoanuts (1929) From tvrusso at sandia.gov Tue Aug 4 14:26:34 2009 From: tvrusso at sandia.gov (Tom Russo) Date: Tue Aug 4 14:26:41 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20090804140914.GC95912@winston.sandia.gov> On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:46:06PM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer > that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. There may be > ways to get around it, but it will be quite a hassle on my end. > > My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > updates? Or is it time to close down CTM? Or is there someone else who > wants to take it over? I still depend on CTM at work, where I can't do CVSup due to restrictive firewall and no chance of getting it opened up for this purpose. -- Thomas Russo * tvrusso@sandia.gov * Tel: (505) 844-8644 Dept 1437, Electrical & Microsystems Modeling * FAX: (505) 284-5451 Mail Stop 0316, Sandia National Laboratories * PAGE: (505) 540-2860 Albuquerque, NM 87185-0316 * CELL: (505) 469-0161 Give a man a program and you frustrate him for a day. Teach him to program and you frustrate him for life. --- Anonymous EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST Sandia is a multiprogram laboratory operated for the United States Department of Energy by Sandia Corporation, a Lockheed Martin Company. From stephen at missouri.edu Tue Aug 4 15:21:47 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 4 15:21:53 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I have just been informed by my system administrator that the computer > that creates the CTM deltas may be put behind a firewall. I had more conversations with my systems administrator. 1. This "firewall" will not come into effect for several months, so there is no big hurry to get everything sorted out. 2. The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas out to the ftp sites. Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the deltas from my machine. But I am told that if there were some site I could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync server, to which I copy the files. Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism? Thanks, Stephen From jhs at berklix.com Tue Aug 4 16:09:24 2009 From: jhs at berklix.com (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Tue Aug 4 16:09:32 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: Your message "Tue, 04 Aug 2009 08:09:14 MDT." <20090804140914.GC95912@winston.sandia.gov> Message-ID: <200908041546.n74FkWbJ049003@fire.js.berklix.net> I use & like CTM 'cos it's effecient push technology, whereas CVSup is pull technology. With increasingly common cheap flat rate DSL / fast connections, that's less important to more end users than once it was. But I guess for those who may touch base briefly with a laptop, then whizz off traveling somewhere, it could still be a bonus there too. Plus if we ever really got mainstream interest in BSD, CVSup servers wouldnt scale well to supply 100 times more clients, whereas CTM to 100 times more recipients would make little difference. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From peter.jeremy at alcatel-lucent.com.au Tue Aug 4 22:08:02 2009 From: peter.jeremy at alcatel-lucent.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Tue Aug 4 22:08:09 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20090804220756.GB4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> On 2009-Aug-04 10:21:46 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >1. This "firewall" will not come into effect for several months, so >there is no big hurry to get everything sorted out. That's good. >2. The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas >out to the ftp sites. Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the >deltas from my machine. But I am told that if there were some site I >could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. >That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync >server, to which I copy the files. > >Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism? I'd suggest writing to admin@freebsd.org and/or hubs@freebsd.org and discuss it with them. On 2009-Aug-03 23:03:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. >It does this about every 4 hours. Ths disk I/O would be a nuisance but that point rules me out - my ISP's AUP doesn't allow me to run servers. -- Peter Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-users/attachments/20090804/52b5a797/attachment.pgp From stephen at missouri.edu Tue Aug 4 22:56:00 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 4 22:56:10 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <20090804220756.GB4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <4A78520A.8060103@missouri.edu> <20090804220756.GB4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <4A78BC7D.1030507@missouri.edu> Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-04 10:21:46 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> 2. The main problem I will have with the firewall is getting the deltas >> out to the ftp sites. Right now, ftp-master uses rsync to get the >> deltas from my machine. But I am told that if there were some site I >> could rsync TO, then that would work just fine behind the firewall. >> That is, I act as the client, and the freebsd site acts as the rsync >> server, to which I copy the files. >> >> Does anyone know if freebsd has any such mechanism? > > I'd suggest writing to admin@freebsd.org and/or hubs@freebsd.org and > discuss it with them. I have sent a message to freebsd-hubs, and I am awaiting a reply. Stephen From stephen at missouri.edu Tue Aug 4 23:00:33 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Tue Aug 4 23:00:39 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Message-ID: <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> Andre Albsmeier wrote: > Maybe there is room for improvement by spreading the work > over various disks intelligently. I don't know how the > delta generation works but I think stuff has to be checked > out and compared to the former version. So if one got three > disks: > > 1. holding the cvs Repository > 2. checked out version #1 > 3. checked out version #2 > > things might get a big boost. I have actually tried this, and it did help a little. But switching from PATA to SATA made the biggest difference. And if I had some kind of RAID, it would help enormously. > One could argue about the need of distributing cvs-cur and src-cur > and stay with the -STABLE branches and -ports. But this is just > my opinion and others' needs may be different ;-). The src-cur (which I actually use myself) puts rather little extra overhead on the system. It is like another stable branch. The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. If I discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of time. > Also, it might be enough to run the process only once a day. > >>> - How are the deltas forwarded out to the mail and FTP servers? >> The deltas are mailed directly from my computer to the mailing lists, >> using sendmail. > > How many people are there on the lists? This might also give an > idea about the necessity supporting cvs-cur and src-cur. > > Chances are low, but, anyway, I will ask a friend who is well > connected if we could arrange something... > > Thanks, > > -Andre > >> The FTP servers get the deltas via ftp-master fetching them via rsync. >> It does this about every 4 hours. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ctm-users@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/ctm-users >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "ctm-users-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From peter.jeremy at alcatel-lucent.com.au Wed Aug 5 00:06:01 2009 From: peter.jeremy at alcatel-lucent.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Wed Aug 5 00:06:08 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> On 2009-Aug-04 18:00:29 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. If I >discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of >time. Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most convenient to replicate the repository and then I can pull out anything I want. Maybe you can get some statistics on the number of subscribers to each of the ctm mailing lists as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. -- Peter Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/ctm-users/attachments/20090805/840e21d1/attachment.pgp From stephen at missouri.edu Wed Aug 5 01:03:23 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Wed Aug 5 01:03:30 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> <20090804031753.GP98247@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <4A77B32F.3040208@missouri.edu> <20090804061049.GB20414@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <4A78BD8D.3050801@missouri.edu> <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <4A78DA58.5060904@missouri.edu> Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2009-Aug-04 18:00:29 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. If I >> discovered that no-one wants this branch, that would be a huge saving of >> time. > > Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most > convenient to replicate the repository and then I can pull out > anything I want. I'll keep cvs-cur. > > Maybe you can get some statistics on the number of subscribers to each > of the ctm mailing lists as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. Someday, perhaps, I'll do this as well. From aehlig at linta.de Wed Aug 5 08:51:01 2009 From: aehlig at linta.de (Klaus T. Aehlig) Date: Wed Aug 5 08:51:07 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> References: <4A77A0EE.3060602@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20090805082418.GA12771@isilmar.linta.de> Dear Stephen, > My question is this - are there people who still depend on CTM for their > updates? I guess I'm not technically depending on CTM, as I'm sure I might be able to find other ways of achieving the same goal. Nevertheless I am using CTM, as it is the most convenient way and the one best suited to my needs. So I certainly don't want to lose CTM. Is there anything I can do to help keep it going? Best, Klaus PS: > Please reply to ctm-users, but this is being sent to ctm-announce as > well, just in case some people are there who are not on ctm-users. Please CC me on direct replies, as I'm not subscribed to ctm-users. From jhs at berklix.com Wed Aug 5 10:38:52 2009 From: jhs at berklix.com (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:39:01 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: Your message "Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:05:50 +1000." <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> Message-ID: <200908051040.n75AdkVd063850@fire.js.berklix.net> > >The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. > Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most My personal most used in order: ports-cur, cvs-cur, src-cur > as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. Difficult, likely not worth the effort: ... mirror sites. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail ASCII plain text not HTML & Base64. http://asciiribbon.org Virused Microsoft PCs cause spam. http://berklix.com/free/ From Andre.Albsmeier at siemens.com Wed Aug 5 10:44:39 2009 From: Andre.Albsmeier at siemens.com (Andre Albsmeier) Date: Wed Aug 5 10:44:45 2009 Subject: Do you still want CTM? In-Reply-To: <200908051040.n75AdkVd063850@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <20090805000550.GE4145@pjdesk.au.alcatel-lucent.com> <200908051040.n75AdkVd063850@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: <20090805104432.GA1670@curry.mchp.siemens.de> On Wed, 05-Aug-2009 at 12:39:46 +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > >The vast majority of the effort is spent on updating cvs-cur. > > Just to be difficult, that's the branch I use - I find it most > > My personal most used in order: ports-cur, cvs-cur, src-cur It seems we have to stick with all of them. My prefs, also in order with the most important first, would be: src-X (where X are the -STABLE branches), ports-cur, src-cur -Andre > > > as well as statistics for ctm downloads via FTP. > > Difficult, likely not worth the effort: ... mirror sites. > > Cheers, > Julian From stephen at missouri.edu Wed Aug 12 17:03:47 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Wed Aug 12 17:05:04 2009 Subject: Problems with CTM Message-ID: <4A82F5F1.9050009@missouri.edu> For some reason CVSUP'ing the whole tree is not working right now. I have sent an email to freebsd-hubs. But CTM is not going to be working until I get this fixed. From stephen at missouri.edu Thu Aug 13 19:42:48 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Thu Aug 13 19:42:56 2009 Subject: Problems with CTM In-Reply-To: <4A82F5F1.9050009@missouri.edu> References: <4A82F5F1.9050009@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <4A846CB7.50904@missouri.edu> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > For some reason CVSUP'ing the whole tree is not working right now. I > have sent an email to freebsd-hubs. > > But CTM is not going to be working until I get this fixed. I think I found the problem. I did a google, and found out that someone had had this problem in Jan 2008 http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-cvsup-td15109672.html, and had conveniently explained the work around. It seems that my computer has problems CVSUPing any new stuff that includes the word "irc." Perhaps the University of Missouri is trying to stop downloading of IRC clients, who knows? I'm going to apply the work around - I hope it works. From stephen at missouri.edu Thu Aug 13 23:55:03 2009 From: stephen at missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Thu Aug 13 23:55:09 2009 Subject: Problems with CTM In-Reply-To: <4A846CB7.50904@missouri.edu> References: <4A82F5F1.9050009@missouri.edu> <4A846CB7.50904@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <4A84A7D6.8030201@missouri.edu> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> For some reason CVSUP'ing the whole tree is not working right now. I >> have sent an email to freebsd-hubs. >> >> But CTM is not going to be working until I get this fixed. > > I think I found the problem. I did a google, and found out that someone > had had this problem in Jan 2008 > http://www.nabble.com/Problems-with-cvsup-td15109672.html, and had > conveniently explained the work around. > > It seems that my computer has problems CVSUPing any new stuff that > includes the word "irc." Perhaps the University of Missouri is trying > to stop downloading of IRC clients, who knows? > > I'm going to apply the work around - I hope it works. CTM is working again. You should start seeing fresh updates soon.