From stephen at math.missouri.edu Fri Feb 2 16:32:01 2007 From: stephen at math.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Fri Feb 2 16:32:05 2007 Subject: src-4 Message-ID: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating closing src-4. What do you people think? (It is actually very little effort for me to keep it going, so if anyone has any reason whatsoever to keep it open, I will do so - I am only contemplating closing for housekeeping reasons.) -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen From jhs at berklix.org Sat Feb 3 17:20:42 2007 From: jhs at berklix.org (Julian Stacey) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:20:45 2007 Subject: src-4 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:52:32 CST." <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> Message-ID: <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating > closing src-4. What do you people think? (It is actually very little > effort for me to keep it going, so if anyone has any reason whatsoever > to keep it open, I will do so - I am only contemplating closing for > housekeeping reasons.) I have various machines (some on 6, but some) stuck on 4: - 5 doesnt install on some laptops, - There's an fdisk systctl pain with newer fdisk affecting the console-less scanner http://www.berklix.com/scanjet/ - gnokii (nokia coms port) fails on 6, works on 4 (I've largely dropped 5) - one of my public servers on 4 (that will change) - I've even got a genuine 386 in tiny chassis runs 4.11 - & suspicion about lower performance if upgrading to 5 or 6. Probably there's lots of boxes & users out there, who/ which still use 4. They probably just don't correspond with FreeBSD policy makers, I'd suggest leave 4 CTMs in place for a while, Thanks Stephen. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Vista of a Bill from Redmond ? http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ From glewis at eyesbeyond.com Sat Feb 3 17:58:55 2007 From: glewis at eyesbeyond.com (Greg Lewis) Date: Sat Feb 3 17:58:59 2007 Subject: src-4 In-Reply-To: <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> Message-ID: <20070203174535.GA68904@misty.eyesbeyond.com> On Sat, Feb 03, 2007 at 05:52:23PM +0100, Julian Stacey wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating > > closing src-4. What do you people think? (It is actually very little > > effort for me to keep it going, so if anyone has any reason whatsoever > > to keep it open, I will do so - I am only contemplating closing for > > housekeeping reasons.) > > I have various machines (some on 6, but some) stuck on 4: > - 5 doesnt install on some laptops, > - There's an fdisk systctl pain with newer fdisk affecting the > console-less scanner http://www.berklix.com/scanjet/ > - gnokii (nokia coms port) fails on 6, works on 4 (I've largely dropped 5) > - one of my public servers on 4 (that will change) > - I've even got a genuine 386 in tiny chassis runs 4.11 - & > suspicion about lower performance if upgrading to 5 or 6. > > Probably there's lots of boxes & users out there, who/ which still use 4. > They probably just don't correspond with FreeBSD policy makers, > I'd suggest leave 4 CTMs in place for a while, Thanks Stephen. The decision on whether or not to drop src-4 isn't related to whether people still have machines running 4.x (I have a couple as well). The key factor is whether developers are going to continue to commit to the RELENG_4 branch. Now, while I wouldn't rule out the occasional stray commit, I would say that RELENG_4 is pretty much dead. Both the security officer and the ports team just put what should be the final nails in the coffin. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From jhs at flat.berklix.net Sat Feb 3 18:33:27 2007 From: jhs at flat.berklix.net (Julian H. Stacey) Date: Sat Feb 3 18:33:30 2007 Subject: src-4 In-Reply-To: <20070203174535.GA68904@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> <200702031652.l13GqNdZ094789@fire.jhs.private> <20070203174535.GA68904@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Message-ID: <200702031832.l13IWw8R096457@fire.jhs.private> > RELENG_4 branch. Now, while I wouldn't rule out the occasional stray > commit, I would say that RELENG_4 is pretty much dead. The aggregate of stray commits to RELENG_4 will do no good to ctm users if ctm-4 is not there, just CVSup users will benefit. BSD gets business credibility by stability & not rushing to judgement. Individuals who do not want ctm-src-4 should unsubscribe it, but not attempt to deny ctm-src-4 to others. When diminishing src-4 list no longer warrants Stephen's space & bandwidth he'll know & tell us. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Vista of a Bill from Redmond ? http://berklix.com/free-talk-on-free-software/ From stephen at math.missouri.edu Sat Feb 3 21:59:51 2007 From: stephen at math.missouri.edu (Stephen Montgomery-Smith) Date: Sat Feb 3 21:59:55 2007 Subject: src-4 In-Reply-To: <20070203213621.GG909@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> <20070203213621.GG909@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <45C50353.8050207@math.missouri.edu> Based on the responses, I am keeping src-4 going for now. Stephen From peterjeremy at optushome.com.au Sat Feb 3 22:00:04 2007 From: peterjeremy at optushome.com.au (Peter Jeremy) Date: Sat Feb 3 22:00:07 2007 Subject: src-4 In-Reply-To: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> References: <45C35E40.8090009@math.missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20070203213621.GG909@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> On Fri, 2007-Feb-02 09:52:32 -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >RELENG_4 seems to have reached its end of line. I am contemplating >closing src-4. What do you people think? When a reminder of the EOL was posted late last year, there were a flurry of "we still need 4.x" messages. Looking at the src-4 tree, there is still some activity and this probably won't cease immediately. > (It is actually very little >effort for me to keep it going, In which case, I'd suggest leaving it going for 3-6 months and then reviewing the situation. If there's no longer any activity, then it can be shutdown. For anyone who needs 4.x, cvs-cur is always an alternative: Replicate the CVS repository and check out your own 4.x tree. Whilst this does cost an extra ~3.5GB disk space, it's much easier to manage your own local patches and you have ready access to more recent versions of the source if you want/need to backport changes. -- Peter Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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